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Galaril · 08-06-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Typical pussy ass post from this panty waste. Have a little respect of get the fuck out of the country as you sure as hell don't deserve to live here.

I totally agree. One of more crappy posts I have seen here.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-06-2011, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

I totally agree. One of more crappy posts I have seen here.

Compounded by this problem

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Sorry Sun Tzu is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her.

Ben E Lou · 08-06-2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Some people who's lives are dedicated to killing other people just recently died?

Totally unfair. That dog didn't deserve that

This is just trolling, plain and simple. And this guy is a repeat offender. Couldn't keep himself from posting Nazi imagery back in the day, and can't keep himself from trolling today. I recall another fairly recent incident with this dude as well. Braggadocious, if I promised you that I'd keep your identity concealed when I let you back in (don't remember if I did or not,) I do not apologize for revealing it now. You've done nothing to deserve me keeping your identity hidden. You have six months to re-evaluate if you can refrain yourself from trolling.

Julio Riddols · 08-06-2011, 03:50 PM

I tend to agree.. I can't be much more anti war than I am, but I doubt 99.9% of the members of our military joined in order to "go kill some people".

DaddyTorgo · 08-06-2011, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

I tend to agree.. I can't be much more anti war than I am, but I doubt 99.9% of the members of our military joined in order to "go kill some people".

This. That was an uncalled for post by Sun Tzu...and a deserved result.

molson · 08-06-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

This. That was an uncalled for post by Sun Tzu...and a deserved result.

+1 and good riddance...

MizzouRah · 08-06-2011, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

+1 and good riddance...

+1,000,000

Edward64 · 08-06-2011, 05:59 PM

It'll give him time to protest the funerals.

Julio Riddols · 08-06-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

+1,000,000

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Buccaneer · 08-06-2011, 06:12 PM

+2 and good riddance. I think everyone knew that was Braggg but dude always has been unstable.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 08-06-2011, 06:33 PM

Let's get back to ignoring him and discussing the topic at hand if we can. Would hate to see this derailed.

RainMaker · 08-06-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Crashes are legitimate causes of military deaths, an all too common one. That said, not every "crash" is a "crash" .

A friend of the family who had tours in Iraq talked to us about his time at a July 4th BBQ last month. He said out of all the stuff they encountered, the scariest part was riding in the choppers. Just so many things that could go wrong and were out of your control. I guess there are a lot of minor crashes where people get injured too.

Autumn · 08-06-2011, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

A friend of the family who had tours in Iraq talked to us about his time at a July 4th BBQ last month. He said out of all the stuff they encountered, the scariest part was riding in the choppers. Just so many things that could go wrong and were out of your control. I guess there are a lot of minor crashes where people get injured too.

I wish we were spending a bigger part of our defense budget on these copters then. I mean I've listened to budget hearings, I know the kind of money we throw into system after system, overhaul of this, new line of planes, ships, etc. It seems like a fraction of that money into helicopter technology would pay big dividends.

RainMaker · 08-06-2011, 08:54 PM

I don't think the choppers are bad, I just think it's tough to fly in an unknown environment with harsh weather conditions. Not to mention people shooting at you. They don't have the luxury of civilian choppers here who can say "well the weather isn't all that great, lets wait till things clear up".

Mizzou B-ball fan · 08-06-2011, 09:02 PM

It should also be noted that they're flying choppers at higher altitudes in most of that area. The lift on choppers is exponentially reduced as the altitude increases, giving much less room for error if something does go wrong.

SackAttack · 08-06-2011, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Compounded by this problem

I just want to know how, if Ben knew who he was, he ever got made a moderator in the first place.

I mean, given his history, that's a serious clean-up job on his image. I don't think Bragg is capable of that, and I wouldn't expect Ben to be THAT naive.

RainMaker · 08-06-2011, 09:22 PM

Can someone give me the history of Bragg?

Ben E Lou · 08-06-2011, 09:23 PM

He was just a mod of NCAA forum. They evidently need several over there to sticky stuff and whatnot. None of those mods have any cp access or even any real authority.

Ben E Lou · 08-06-2011, 09:25 PM

(That was to Sack.)

SackAttack · 08-06-2011, 09:44 PM

Understood, Ben. That makes more sense.

CU Tiger · 08-06-2011, 11:41 PM

I've been fairly vocal in my disent of many of your past decisions and your general management style in general, but in the sake of fairness this v you got 100% right.

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

This is just trolling, plain and simple. And this guy is a repeat offender. Couldn't keep himself from posting Nazi imagery back in the day, and can't keep himself from trolling today. I recall another fairly recent incident with this dude as well. Braggadocious, if I promised you that I'd keep your identity concealed when I let you back in (don't remember if I did or not,) I do not apologize for revealing it now. You've done nothing to deserve me keeping your identity hidden. You have six months to re-evaluate if you can refrain yourself from trolling.

Autumn · 08-07-2011, 08:20 AM

I understand that the helicopters are being operated in dangerous conditions and in a dangerous manner. But just like uparmoring the Humvees in Iraq become a big priority, I would like to see improving the helicopters be a large priority. We spend billions and billions of dollars on systems that are a decade past deadline, 100x the original budget, and will never have anywhere near the impact that keeping our helicopters in the air would. I feel like if we did a study of the past 20 years of military deaths the percentage of helicopter crashes would be huge.

Lathum · 08-07-2011, 08:47 AM

Ben has gotten a lot of shit in the past for boxing decisions, but he is spot on with this one, well done sir

Lathum · 08-07-2011, 08:49 AM

dola- and how dare you Sun Szu/ Bragg be critical of the deaths of those young men who provide you with the blanket of freedom you have, so that you have the rights to make the statement you just made. It is an insult to those young men, as well as any soldier who has given his life, and you should be ashamed.

Sweed · 08-07-2011, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- and how dare you Sun Szu/ Bragg be critical of the deaths of those young men who provide you with the blanket of freedom you have, so that you have the rights to make the statement you just made. It is an insult to those young men, as well as any soldier who has given his life, and you should be ashamed.

Well said.

CleBrownsfan · 08-07-2011, 10:29 AM

Why do you guys/gals let someones thoughts give you such grief?! I read Szu's comments - said to myself what an asshat - and moved on. I don't agree with 99.5% of the boxing - IMO, only boxing should be if someone is spamming.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-07-2011, 11:03 AM

WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. officials say the Navy SEALs and other troops lost in Saturday's helicopter crash in Afghanistan had rushed to the area to help fellow U.S. troops under fire.

The officials say the SEALs had responded to a request by U.S. Army Rangers who were taking heavy fire after going after a target.

One of the officials says the SEALs had completed their mission, subduing the attackers, and were departing in a U.S. Army Chinook helicopter when it was apparently hit by rocket-propelled grenade fire.

The other official said that the Rangers, special operations forces who work regularly with the SEALs, secured the crash site afterward. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity to describe the event while the investigation remains ongoing.

The SEAL mission was first reported by CNN.

JPhillips · 08-07-2011, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

Why do you guys/gals let someones thoughts give you such grief?! I read Szu's comments - said to myself what an asshat - and moved on. I don't agree with 99.5% of the boxing - IMO, only boxing should be if someone is spamming.

+1

molson · 08-07-2011, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

Why do you guys/gals let someones thoughts give you such grief?! I read Szu's comments - said to myself what an asshat - and moved on. I don't agree with 99.5% of the boxing - IMO, only boxing should be if someone is spamming.

I don't think anybody's losing sleep over it but we're only human. Rotten people can cause some annoyance. You're right, it's better to just move on - but don't make the mistake of exagerating the "grief" that causes one to respond with a couple of message board posts. It's really not that big a deal to express that sentiment of displeasure and hit "post." (You're basically doing the same here, but for even a lesser "evil" - someone expressing their displeasure...maybe you should "move on" from that, and the boxings? - if posting is indeed some sort of expression of "grief".)

jeff061 · 08-07-2011, 12:29 PM

I'd posit he did spam. It's not like it was a single bad post buried amongst tons of ok ones. He pretty much just posts torrents of garbage that generally spawn stupid off topic arguments(even now...). He's like a completely oblivious HA.

DaddyTorgo · 08-07-2011, 01:01 PM

I think we're dwelling on it in part because usually we're critical of Ben's modding decisions, and everyone wants to chime in and "pat him on the back" for this one and let him know that he got it "right" in our opinion?

DanGarion · 08-07-2011, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I think we're dwelling on it in part because usually we're critical of Ben's modding decisions, and everyone wants to chime in and "pat him on the back" for this one and let him know that he got it "right" in our opinion?

Toddzilla · 08-07-2011, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

Why do you guys/gals let someones thoughts give you such grief?! I read Szu's comments - said to myself what an asshat - and moved on. I don't agree with 99.5% of the boxing - IMO, only boxing should be if someone is spamming.

Now that deserves a big +1. Thanks CBF. Couldn't have said it better.

Noop · 08-07-2011, 06:29 PM

I have had my spats with him in the past but I am not sure if this warrants a boxing. Pretty much felt how CBF felt to be honest.

Danny · 08-07-2011, 08:03 PM

Yep, good boxing. Sun Tzu went even further this time, but it seems 90% of his posts are trolling, whether direct or passive aggressive.

Lathum · 08-07-2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

Why do you guys/gals let someones thoughts give you such grief?! I read Szu's comments - said to myself what an asshat - and moved on. I don't agree with 99.5% of the boxing - IMO, only boxing should be if someone is spamming.

I see your point, but I think you are overstating the amount of "grief" this actually caused anyone.

FOFC is an exceptionally unique place with regards the the level of intimacy among posters. Many of us know details of each others lives even though we never have and will never meet in person. If we truly allowed "free speech" and had an anything goes system, this place would quickly become the cesspool that 99.9% of other internet forums are. While I don't agree with all of Bens decisions, I think overall the modding makes it a better place.

bronconick · 08-07-2011, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I understand that the helicopters are being operated in dangerous conditions and in a dangerous manner. But just like uparmoring the Humvees in Iraq become a big priority, I would like to see improving the helicopters be a large priority. We spend billions and billions of dollars on systems that are a decade past deadline, 100x the original budget, and will never have anywhere near the impact that keeping our helicopters in the air would. I feel like if we did a study of the past 20 years of military deaths the percentage of helicopter crashes would be huge.

I don't think military helicopters are ever really going to be safe compared to other equipment. They have to fly closer to the ground where changes in the terrain can cause issues such as the Osama raid, and that terrain can't be used for defense well like ground vehicles. On top of that, ground to air weaponry is usually designed with shooting down jet aircraft in mind. If my SAM is designed to shoot down A-10 Warthogs or old F-14's, shooting down a helicopter should be comparatively easy and well within its capabilities. If you load up the armor, it isn't as maneuverable, and so on.

Schmidty · 08-08-2011, 02:46 AM

It's a lifetime asshat achievement award. I wasn't offended by his statement, but that's mostly because I don't put any credence or importance into anything he posts anymore.

He's probably a good guy "in real life", but he sucks at posting on a message board, especially one as old and tight as this one. He deserves the boxing this time. I hope he finally "gets it" after this, but I highly doubt it.

Rizon · 08-08-2011, 10:52 AM

My brother-in-law is a helicopter mechanic in the Royal Canadian Air Force. I guess the entire helicopter crew sticks with the same helicopter .. pilots, mechanics. They essentially fly only one helicopter and the mechanics only work on this one helicopter. I think he's been with the same helicopter for 12 years. Wherever it goes, he goes. Recently it was sent to Afghanistan and he did a 6-month tour. He was telling us the problems they've had with sand.

Fidatelo · 08-08-2011, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rizon

My brother-in-law is a helicopter mechanic in the Royal Canadian Air Force. I guess the entire helicopter crew sticks with the same helicopter .. pilots, mechanics. They essentially fly only one helicopter and the mechanics only work on this one helicopter. I think he's been with the same helicopter for 12 years. Wherever it goes, he goes. Recently it was sent to Afghanistan and he did a 6-month tour. He was telling us the problems they've had with sand.

That's because the RCAF only has one helicopter :P

Just kidding, that's actually a pretty cool story.

Qwikshot · 08-09-2011, 11:18 AM

It is a great loss. I just wanted to provide this link. The loss of the SEALS seemed to create the biggest part of the story, however, this boy, who's dad was the pilot, wanted to point out the others who were lost.

His dad was nine days from leave.

Kansas boy wants the world to recognize his fallen father - CNN.com

Edward64 · 08-09-2011, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwikshot

It is a great loss. I just wanted to provide this link. The loss of the SEALS seemed to create the biggest part of the story, however, this boy, who's dad was the pilot, wanted to point out the others who were lost.

His dad was nine days from leave.

Kansas boy wants the world to recognize his fallen father - CNN.com

Yup, great point. We shouldn't forget the others.

Kodos · 08-09-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

He was just a mod of NCAA forum. They evidently need several over there to sticky stuff and whatnot. None of those mods have any cp access or even any real authority.

I can affirm that I have in fact no authority.

Edward64 · 08-09-2011, 04:05 PM

FWIW, pictures and short bios of some of the fallen.

Photos of the Fallen: Americans shot down in Afghanistan - Pictures | WJLA.com

Mizzou B-ball fan · 08-09-2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

FWIW, pictures and short bios of some of the fallen.

Photos of the Fallen: Americans shot down in Afghanistan - Pictures | WJLA.com

Man, a lot of local KC area guys in that list.

Scoobz0202 · 08-09-2011, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

FWIW, pictures and short bios of some of the fallen.

Photos of the Fallen: Americans shot down in Afghanistan - Pictures | WJLA.com

I am always reminded when reading about the Navy Seals and those who are Navy Seals that as much as I wish and think that maybe I could do the physical/mental work to be one, I don't stand a chance. Just looking at pictures, and reading about those who are Navy Seals, who am I kidding.

cartman · 08-10-2011, 11:41 AM

Reports are coming in that the group of Taliban that attacked the copter have been tracked down and eliminated.

panerd · 08-10-2011, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Reports are coming in that the group of Taliban that attacked the copter have been tracked down and eliminated.

Did they dispose of their remains at sea also?

stevew · 08-10-2011, 08:39 PM

I'm not a conspiracy nut, but the revenge kill on the "people responsible" story really caused me to majorly roll my eyes. It just seemed like a desperate leak that was created to bolster support for the war.

I'm just not buying it.

kingfc22 · 08-10-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

Did they dispose of their remains at sea also?

08-06-2011, 03:50 PM	#404
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	I tend to agree.. I can't be much more anti war than I am, but I doubt 99.9% of the members of our military joined in order to "go kill some people". __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

08-06-2011, 09:23 PM	#418
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	He was just a mod of NCAA forum. They evidently need several over there to sticky stuff and whatnot. None of those mods have any cp access or even any real authority. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

08-06-2011, 09:25 PM	#419
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	(That was to Sack.) __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

08-07-2011, 10:29 AM	#426
CleBrownsfan Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: C-Town	Why do you guys/gals let someones thoughts give you such grief?! I read Szu's comments - said to myself what an asshat - and moved on. I don't agree with 99.5% of the boxing - IMO, only boxing should be if someone is spamming. __________________ *XBox Gamertag:* Pronk32 FOOL-X - Cleveland Naps FOOL - Cleveland Cyclones SLOP - Cuyahoga Spiders

08-07-2011, 11:03 AM	#427
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. officials say the Navy SEALs and other troops lost in Saturday's helicopter crash in Afghanistan had rushed to the area to help fellow U.S. troops under fire. The officials say the SEALs had responded to a request by U.S. Army Rangers who were taking heavy fire after going after a target. One of the officials says the SEALs had completed their mission, subduing the attackers, and were departing in a U.S. Army Chinook helicopter when it was apparently hit by rocket-propelled grenade fire. The other official said that the Rangers, special operations forces who work regularly with the SEALs, secured the crash site afterward. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity to describe the event while the investigation remains ongoing. The SEAL mission was first reported by CNN. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

08-06-2011, 05:59 PM	#408
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	It'll give him time to protest the funerals.

08-06-2011, 06:12 PM	#410
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	+2 and good riddance. I think everyone knew that was Braggg but dude always has been unstable.

08-06-2011, 06:33 PM	#411
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Let's get back to ignoring him and discussing the topic at hand if we can. Would hate to see this derailed.

08-06-2011, 08:54 PM	#414
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I don't think the choppers are bad, I just think it's tough to fly in an unknown environment with harsh weather conditions. Not to mention people shooting at you. They don't have the luxury of civilian choppers here who can say "well the weather isn't all that great, lets wait till things clear up".

08-06-2011, 09:02 PM	#415
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	It should also be noted that they're flying choppers at higher altitudes in most of that area. The lift on choppers is exponentially reduced as the altitude increases, giving much less room for error if something does go wrong.

08-06-2011, 09:22 PM	#417
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Can someone give me the history of Bragg?

08-06-2011, 09:44 PM	#420
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	Understood, Ben. That makes more sense.

08-07-2011, 08:20 AM	#422
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I understand that the helicopters are being operated in dangerous conditions and in a dangerous manner. But just like uparmoring the Humvees in Iraq become a big priority, I would like to see improving the helicopters be a large priority. We spend billions and billions of dollars on systems that are a decade past deadline, 100x the original budget, and will never have anywhere near the impact that keeping our helicopters in the air would. I feel like if we did a study of the past 20 years of military deaths the percentage of helicopter crashes would be huge.

08-07-2011, 08:47 AM	#423
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Ben has gotten a lot of shit in the past for boxing decisions, but he is spot on with this one, well done sir

08-07-2011, 08:49 AM	#424
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- and how dare you Sun Szu/ Bragg be critical of the deaths of those young men who provide you with the blanket of freedom you have, so that you have the rights to make the statement you just made. It is an insult to those young men, as well as any soldier who has given his life, and you should be ashamed.

08-07-2011, 12:29 PM	#430
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	I'd posit he did spam. It's not like it was a single bad post buried amongst tons of ok ones. He pretty much just posts torrents of garbage that generally spawn stupid off topic arguments(even now...). He's like a completely oblivious HA. __________________

08-07-2011, 01:01 PM	#431
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	I think we're dwelling on it in part because usually we're critical of Ben's modding decisions, and everyone wants to chime in and "pat him on the back" for this one and let him know that he got it "right" in our opinion? __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

08-07-2011, 06:29 PM	#434
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	I have had my spats with him in the past but I am not sure if this warrants a boxing. Pretty much felt how CBF felt to be honest. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

08-07-2011, 08:03 PM	#435
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Yep, good boxing. Sun Tzu went even further this time, but it seems 90% of his posts are trolling, whether direct or passive aggressive.

08-08-2011, 02:46 AM	#438
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	It's a lifetime asshat achievement award. I wasn't offended by his statement, but that's mostly because I don't put any credence or importance into anything he posts anymore. He's probably a good guy "in real life", but he sucks at posting on a message board, especially one as old and tight as this one. He deserves the boxing this time. I hope he finally "gets it" after this, but I highly doubt it. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

08-09-2011, 11:18 AM	#441
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	It is a great loss. I just wanted to provide this link. The loss of the SEALS seemed to create the biggest part of the story, however, this boy, who's dad was the pilot, wanted to point out the others who were lost. His dad was nine days from leave. Kansas boy wants the world to recognize his fallen father - CNN.com __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

08-09-2011, 04:05 PM	#444
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	FWIW, pictures and short bios of some of the fallen. Photos of the Fallen: Americans shot down in Afghanistan - Pictures \| WJLA.com

08-10-2011, 11:41 AM	#447
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Reports are coming in that the group of Taliban that attacked the copter have been tracked down and eliminated. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

08-10-2011, 08:39 PM	#449
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I'm not a conspiracy nut, but the revenge kill on the "people responsible" story really caused me to majorly roll my eyes. It just seemed like a desperate leak that was created to bolster support for the war. I'm just not buying it.

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