NFL Week 3!

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle

If you're a Niners fan, do you want a top 5 pick? It's tough to forecast the draft this far out, but it seems like there might be pretty decent depth at the top of the draft, and top 5 picks require so much damn money.

I don't see any way the niners get a top 5 pick. There are way to many bad teams out there plus their division is shit.

[stevew]

The Niners have the Panthers first round pick in 2010, Lathum.

[stevew]

Traded picks for 2010(first 3 rounds only)

NFL Draft 2010

1st Round
Denver from Chicago - QB Jay Cutler. Final payment.
Seattle from Denver - 2009 NFL Draft trade
San Francisco from Carolina - 2009 NFL Draft trade

2nd Round
New England from Jacksonville – 2009 NFL Draft trade
New England from Tennessee - 2009 NFL Draft trade
Kansas City from Atlanta - TE Tony Gonzalez

3rd round
Philadelphia from Seattle 2009 NFL Draft trade

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by stevew

The Niners have the Panthers first round pick in 2010, Lathum.

ahh

[Groundhog]

So, 3 2nd rounders for the Patriots in 2010. Interesting.

[gstelmack]

One thing on Delhomme: he sat for 5 years in New Orleans, and is now entering his 7th year with the Panthers. He has hit 34 years old. He's not a young QB anymore. The Panthers definitely should be starting to look for the heir apparent.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

I mean who aren't retired, asswhite.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

So you think they are much worse this year? I'll log that to my memory bank along with the people that said Favre will throw 20 ints this year and that Cutler is a top tier QB. I imagine I will have plenty of ammo after the season the way things are headed I was surprised the Kevin Smith had such a good game against the Vikings defense. Of course when you have to double cover CJ the whole game it could leave some holes in the defense.

Ok reading back over this thread I have to say "holy shit man get off the homer bus"

The vikings D is good, its not great, its not nearly as good as it has been in the past. Cutler is an excellent QB and once the bears offense really gels with him I think you'll be eating some major crow. 20 INTs is not an unreasonable estimate for a 40 yr old QB who gets worn down midway through the season and tends to force a lot of balls in where they won't fit.

As for the Niner game, the Vikings shut out the niners on 3rd down, They didn't have Gore on the field and STILL it required a last second MIRACLE of a play for the vikings to win that game.

Perhaps the Vikings fans out there ought to realize they got really fucking lucky and shut the hell up about this game already =)

Minnesota is very beatable, San Francisco is a solid team with a good defense.

Fans like You and Lathum are starting to drive me batshit crazy with the run-on babbling in Homer-ease.

[Sun Tzu]

I like RendeR

lets make out

[larrymcg421]

Wait, someone is actually arguing that Frank Gore would not have helped the 49ers? Really?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

I like RendeR

lets make out

I still hope the fourty-whiners lose every game for the rest of eternity.



Still like me?

[Logan]

Dude, Gore can't sniff Kevin Smith's jock. Let it go!

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Logan

Dude, Gore can't sniff Kevin Smith's jock. Let it go!

Kevin who?

[Sun Tzu]

Isn't that the Jay and Silent Bob guy?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Fans like You and Lathum are starting to drive me batshit crazy with the run-on babbling in Homer-ease.

Dude, you need to work on reading comprehension.

I openly make fun of myself about my homerism. I can at least try and be honest about the Giants and would never be crazy enough to make a statement as idiotic as the niners were better off without Gore.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Ok reading back over this thread I have to say "holy shit man get off the homer bus"

The vikings D is good, its not great, its not nearly as good as it has been in the past. Cutler is an excellent QB and once the bears offense really gels with him I think you'll be eating some major crow. 20 INTs is not an unreasonable estimate for a 40 yr old QB who gets worn down midway through the season and tends to force a lot of balls in where they won't fit.

As for the Niner game, the Vikings shut out the niners on 3rd down, They didn't have Gore on the field and STILL it required a last second MIRACLE of a play for the vikings to win that game.

Perhaps the Vikings fans out there ought to realize they got really fucking lucky and shut the hell up about this game already =)

Minnesota is very beatable, San Francisco is a solid team with a good defense.

Fans like You and Lathum are starting to drive me batshit crazy with the run-on babbling in Homer-ease.

All good points other than the facts.

The Vikings outgained San Fran by over 200 yards and clearly were the better team.

Brett Favre has throw 1 pic thus far this year and has been very cautious thus far.

Jay Cutler has looked exactly how I thought. Great arm bad decisions. Remind anyone of another QB that is currently being debated in another thread?

I bolded the one part because that makes no sense. The Vikings havent had a great defense since the late 80s. My point was the defense would be just like it has the past 3 years. Shutdown the run and give up a lot of passing yards. I see nothing that makes me believe that wont be the case again this year.

And I am not as nearly of a bias homer as you guys want to think. I am a realist. Teams beat the Vikings by passing on them and not running on them. Gore could have made a difference catching balls out of the backfield but very unlikely by running the ball.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Dude, you need to work on reading comprehension.

I openly make fun of myself about my homerism. I can at least try and be honest about the Giants and would never be crazy enough to make a statement as idiotic as the niners were better off without Gore.

I love how u clowns make up the fact that I said the niners would be better off without Gore. I said he wouldnt have made much of a difference in that particular game. As far as the next 2-3 games go for them its a huge loss.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

All good points other than the facts.

The Vikings outgained San Fran by over 200 yards and clearly were the better team.

Brett Favre has throw 1 pic thus far this year and has been very cautious thus far.

Jay Cutler has looked exactly how I thought. Great arm bad decisions. Remind anyone of another QB that is currently being debated in another thread?

I bolded the one part because that makes no sense. The Vikings havent had a great defense since the late 80s. My point was the defense would be just like it has the past 3 years. Shutdown the run and give up a lot of passing yards. I see nothing that makes me believe that wont be the case again this year.

And I am not as nearly of a bias homer as you guys want to think. I am a realist. Teams beat the Vikings by passing on them and not running on them. Gore could have made a difference catching balls out of the backfield but very unlikely by running the ball.

The "Fact" is Yer also missing the point that I agree with you, the vikings dominated this game, should have been up 20+ points, and yet, for some reason they were still LOSING with 12 seconds to play. The vikings were extremely lucky to count this as a win and there is really nothing about this game that they should be particularly proud of.

Not impressed.

Your assumption that a star level running back's presence wouldn't make a difference in the running game is simply homer-istic ignorance. At the very least his presence opens up opportunities for everyone else to make plays, both running and passing.


Try reading the post before spouting more homerism. You discounted someone saying Favre would throw 20 picks this year, I simply stated that it is ENTIRELY possible because of his performance the past few seasons. He doesn't have the laser arm he used to have and about halfway through the season he gets tired. he has always forced the ball into tight spots and later in the season he throws FAR more picks than he does at the beginning. His CURRENT standing is irrelevant to the discussion of his regular fall off in the second half of the year.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

It might have actually helped the niners as they didnt feel a need to run the ball so much and get little to nothing from it.

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looks to me like you are saying the niners were better off without him...

[jbergey22]

Render, Do you beat the Saints by stopping the run? Do you really think Gore would have done much better than 25 carries for 54 yards? There was some passes that Coffey fucked up on the Gore would have caught and possibly made a minimal difference and perhaps he could have opened something up for one of the WRs. Athough Bruce and Morgan dont exactly put the fear of god in anyone I wouldnt think.

Why teams run the ball against the Vikings is beyond me. The 49ers moved the ball fairly well when they stopped running it for a little over 2 yards a carry.

Yes I am a homer but do you really think it bothers me when a good back comes to town and runs the ball 20-25 times for around 50 yards when a team with a crap back gives up on it 10 carries in and passes against the Vikings shaky pass defense. Id much rather have teams trying to force the run than passing against them.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Lathum

looks to me like you are saying the niners were better off without him...

This was before I realized they tried to run it 25 times with Coffey anyway. My apoligies for that. It didnt seem like he had that many carries.

The Giants are one of the teams that could run the ball against the Vikings because their line is so solid and Jacobs can wear down the Vikings small quick LBs.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Render, Do you beat the Saints by stopping the run? Do you really think Gore would have done much better than 25 carries for 54 yards? There was some passes that Coffey fucked up on the Gore would have caught and possibly made a minimal difference and perhaps he could have opened something up for one of the WRs. Athough Bruce and Morgan dont exactly put the fear of god in anyone I wouldnt think.

Why teams run the ball against the Vikings is beyond me. The 49ers moved the ball fairly well when they stopped running it for a little over 2 yards a carry.

Yes I am a homer but do you really think it bothers me when a good back comes to town and runs the ball 20-25 times for around 50 yards when a team with a crap back gives up on it 10 carries in and passes against the Vikings shaky pass defense. Id much rather have teams trying to force the run than passing against them.

WTF do the saints have to do with anything? yes Gore would have done more than Coffey, he's faster and generally just better overall. He's also better catching the ball. You're continued badgering about "why teams bother to run on us at all" is just fucking stupid. Teams can and have run on the vikings before, its not unheard of and its not surprising. yes the Vikings have a good run D, but its not an all powerful all stopping wall.

Is it so hard to simply admit the Niners have a decent team and that the Vikings need to work their asses a lot harder if they plan to go far this year? Because right now the Vikings are not impressing people. They're playing down to the competition and that just screams "we're lazy"

[RomaGoth]

I just wonder what people will say when Favre does his mid-to-late season imploding act like last season. Hopefully, for the Vikings' sake, they have some wins banked up so they are in good position to make the playoffs.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by RendeR

WTF do the saints have to do with anything? yes Gore would have done more than Coffey, he's faster and generally just better overall. He's also better catching the ball. You're continued badgering about "why teams bother to run on us at all" is just fucking stupid. Teams can and have run on the vikings before, its not unheard of and its not surprising. yes the Vikings have a good run D, but its not an all powerful all stopping wall.

Is it so hard to simply admit the Niners have a decent team and that the Vikings need to work their asses a lot harder if they plan to go far this year? Because right now the Vikings are not impressing people. They're playing down to the competition and that just screams "we're lazy"

Umm I believe Ive said the 49ers would probably win their division. I would think that is admission that they are a "decent" team.

If 3 straight years of leading the league in run defense doesnt convince you I guess nothing will They have given up 2 100 rushers in 51 games so I guess you are right it is not unheard of.

Who are these people they are not impressing? You? They snuck into the playoffs and got pounded in the first round. What were you expecting, The 85 Bears?

Ive actually been pretty impressed. Theyve yet to have a solid performance and are undefeated. They've won 2 road games and pulled out a game in the final seconds where they made a lot of mistakes against a "Decent" team that will win their division.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Picking up on our earleir discussion about the Dolphins QB situation. Well, it looks like they decided that the season isn't quite over. They didn't get Garcia, but traded the Chiefs for Tyler Thigpen.

[albionmoonlight]

See, jbergey22, no one is arguing with you that Minnesota does not have a very good run defense. Had you come in here and said that, people would have agreed with you. No one doubts that Starcaps is a hell of a steroid masking agent.*

They are taking exception with you coming in here and pulling the whole "I got three beers in me and I says that you better not even try and thinks about pullin' that running shit on the fuckin Vikings, man. We's the combination of the '78 Steelers and pig iron!"

You are just being kind of silly, which is what is grating folks. IMHO, it's fine b/c football message boards are wonderfully silly and relaxing places. And we want people to bring passion here. But this does seem to be a "it's not what you say, it's how you say it" kind of place. If it does not bother you, then it does not bother us. If, however, you would prefer a more in-depth discussion, the tone (more than the actual point you are making) is what is standing in the way.

*I know, I know. Just thought that it would be fun to throw that in and make your head turn purple for a second there.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Picking up on our earleir discussion about the Dolphins QB situation. Well, it looks like they decided that the season isn't quite over. They didn't get Garcia, but traded the Chiefs for Tyler Thigpen.

Wouldn't this mean the season is, indeed, over?

[Sun Tzu]

I've decided that I also like albionmoonlight.

lets make out

[Honolulu_Blue]

And the Eagles cut Garcia.

[Sun Tzu]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

And the Eagles cut Garcia.

Speaking of homoeroticism.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Picking up on our earleir discussion about the Dolphins QB situation. Well, it looks like they decided that the season isn't quite over. They didn't get Garcia, but traded the Chiefs for Tyler Thigpen.

Does this move really mean they've decided the season isn't over? I mean, Thigpen isn't going to start next week, is he? Or the week after that? And it's not like he's some vet like Garcia -- he's started one season, right? I'm thinking they have another roster spot open at QB, and want to check out another young guy.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Does this move really mean they've decided the season isn't over? I mean, Thigpen isn't going to start next week, is he? Or the week after that?

The speculation I saw referred to him being a more experienced backup to Henne as well as probably getting some work out of the wildcat formation.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Does this move really mean they've decided the season isn't over? I mean, Thigpen isn't going to start next week, is he? Or the week after that? And it's not like he's some vet like Garcia -- he's started one season, right? I'm thinking they have another roster spot open at QB, and want to check out another young guy.

I don't think the Dolphins ever though the season was over after three games. I find the entire premise silly. Is it a long shot? Sure. But Any Given Sunday...

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

The speculation I saw referred to him being a more experienced backup to Henne as well as probably getting some work out of the wildcat formation.

Yeah, the plan is definitely to see what they have in Henne, trading for Thigpen is a reaction to watching Pat White pass every day in practive.

And the point for the Chiefs was to get rid of Thigpen - and the fans clamoring for him, without outright cutting him.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I don't think the Dolphins ever though the season was over after three games. I find the entire premise silly. Is it a long shot? Sure. But Any Given Sunday...

Right...I don't mean to say they DID think the season was over. I just thought that the idea of Thigpen as a guy who was going to come in and save their season seemed silly.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

The speculation I saw referred to him being a more experienced backup to Henne as well as probably getting some work out of the wildcat formation.

I saw the same speculation from a website that said the Redskins would win the Super Bowl.

That said, the speculation certainly makes sense. I mean, unless you're the 2008 Detroit Lions, you don't sign a new quarterback and start him that week (see, e.g., Culpepper, Duante). That said, if Henne struggles over the next few weeks, I wouldn't be surprised if they give Thigpen a chance to start.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Right...I don't mean to say they DID think the season was over. I just thought that the idea of Thigpen as a guy who was going to come in and save their season seemed silly.

I think the fact that they went out and made a move for a guy, instead of just picking up a free agent or signing someone off the practice squad is a bit of an indication. At this stage of his carrer as "season savers go" is Garcia really a better option than Thigpen?

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

if Henne struggles over the next few weeks, I wouldn't be surprised if they give Thigpen a chance to start.

Why? If that happens, they'd be 0-5. Why not let Henne (who is their plan for the future) more than two games to develop/show what he has?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Samdari

Why? If that happens, they'd be 0-5. Why not let Henne (who is their plan for the future) more than two games to develop/show what he has?

Who said anything about two games or 0-5?

Like I said if Henne struggles (i.e., they don't think he's the plan for the future), why not let Thigpen play a few games to develop/show what he has? He's still pretty young., no?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I think the fact that they went out and made a move for a guy, instead of just picking up a free agent or signing someone off the practice squad is a bit of an indication. At this stage of his carrer as "season savers go" is Garcia really a better option than Thigpen?

Yes.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Yes.

Well, Tyler Thigpen is getting ready to show you just how wrong you are, sir!

Jeff Garcia's a bitch. Fuck that guy.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I think the fact that they went out and made a move for a guy, instead of just picking up a free agent or signing someone off the practice squad is a bit of an indication. At this stage of his carrer as "season savers go" is Garcia really a better option than Thigpen?

I think if the Dolphins wanted to be relatively competitive, signing Garcia makes more sense. A trade for Thigpen, when Garcia would have been free (besides his salary obviously), indicates that someone, perhaps Parcells, realizes the chances of the team being a playoff contender is rather remote at this point.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

And the Eagles cut Garcia.

PAGING PANTHERS MANAGEMENT.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I just thought that the idea of Thigpen as a guy who was going to come in and save their season seemed silly.

Doesn't seem any sillier to me than thinking they're going to save the season with Henne at QB.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

I think if the Dolphins wanted to be relatively competitive, signing Garcia makes more sense. A trade for Thigpen, when Garcia would have been free (besides his salary obviously), indicates that someone, perhaps Parcells, realizes the chances of the team being a playoff contender is rather remote at this point.

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Well, Tyler Thigpen is getting ready to show you just how wrong you are, sir!

Jeff Garcia's a bitch. Fuck that guy.

Originally Posted by Radii

PAGING PANTHERS MANAGEMENT.

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Jeff Garcia's a bitch. Fuck that guy.

What I said.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I don't think the Dolphins ever though the season was over after three games. I find the entire premise silly. Is it a long shot? Sure. But Any Given Sunday...

I certainly think the Dolphins season is over. Without pennington to maintain some semblance of control out there this Dolphins team could well become the '08 Lions of 2009.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I certainly think the Dolphins season is over. Without pennington to maintain some semblance of control out there this Dolphins team could well become the '08 Lions of 2009.

....or the Dolphins of 2007.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Umm I believe Ive said the 49ers would probably win their division. I would think that is admission that they are a "decent" team.

.... snipping irrelevent statements....

Ive actually been pretty impressed. Theyve yet to have a solid performance and are undefeated. They've won 2 road games and pulled out a game in the final seconds where they made a lot of mistakes against a "Decent" team that will win their division.

Lets look at these two comments...


First off, If you really think this Niners team will win the west you're deluding yourself. They'll finish 2nd by default because Seattle and St. Louis are buggering awful, and 2 of the 4 worst teams in the NFC. (Washington, Tampa Bay)

And you've been impressed? lets see, Minnesota has beaten the Browns (Worst single team in the league right now) and the Lions (terrible but getting better) and trailed BOTH of them at halftime. Then they face the Niners who at least have a defense and trail them with 12 seconds to play.

What is there in there other than Adrian Peterson to be impressed by? (and I'm not impressed by his work thus far, he should have 500 yards rushing by now based on the teams he's run against, he does have a great YPC but again, against cleveland and detroit he shoulda racked up 200+ each)

You're dead on that they haven't played well. They've played down to the level of some awful football teams and I hope for their fans sake they play up to the rest of their schedule or its gonna get ugly in the Twin Cities.

Anyway. I understand the homerism and someone else mentioned its not even so much what you're saying but HOW you state it that makes you sound so utterly oblivious.

Good Luck to you and the Vikes.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

....or the Dolphins of 2007.

No this team is a game worse than the 07 squad without Pennington.

[Sun Tzu]

Originally Posted by RendeR

First off, If you really think this Niners team will win the west you're deluding yourself. They'll finish 2nd by default because...

Really? You seriously think the 49ers are the second best team in the NFC West? Behind who exactly? You don't mean the Cardinals...do you? Come on man.