College Football Bowl Season Thread

[Joe]

I think Colt is crying

[JonInMiddleGA]

And now the bet of the night is set:
Will Georgia's defense score more than Hawaii's offense?

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by Joe

I think Colt is crying

Lol...I wouldn't blame him. Not a pleasant way to end your college football years....but...when USC blew out Oklahoma 55-14, did anyone ask if Oklahoma really deserved to be there? I realized Hawaii is getting punked right now, but I don't think Hawaii is incapable of playing competitively with Georgia...Also, I think Georgia is better than Ohio State, and Georgia/LSU would get me excited. Have two teams from the same conference ever duked it out for the title? That would be sweet.

[Joe]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Colt drops another round or two. Isn't his selling point his great accuracy?

He's still at 68% for the game..

[DeToxRox]

Heres an over/under

How many times is Colt sacked tonight? At seven already.

Line is set at 12

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Lol...I wouldn't blame him. Not a pleasant way to end your college football years....but...when USC blew out Oklahoma 55-14, did anyone ask if Oklahoma really deserved to be there? I realized Hawaii is getting punked right now, but I don't think Hawaii is incapable of playing competitively with Georgia...

I agree with this. I don't think this was an inevitable outcome at all.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Lol...I wouldn't blame him. Not a pleasant way to end your college football years....but...when USC blew out Oklahoma 55-14, did anyone ask if Oklahoma really deserved to be there?

Uh, yeah, the Auburn fans.

[DeToxRox]

Walk ons will be playing in the fourth quarter.

[st.cronin]

This is the first time I've really watched Colt Brennan, and I'm about ready to say that he will never throw a pass in the NFL. Ainge, Booty, Flynn, and Henne, among others, are all much, much better prospects.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Uh, yeah, the Auburn fans.

I seem to remember that chorus from a lot of other college football fans as well. However, I think Oklahoma and Hawaii are apple and oranges. Oklahoma actually played some good teams that year and at least had some credibility coming into that game. I don't think Hawaii ever had that kind of credibility with the schedule they have played this year and I thought/think this result was inevitable which is the only reason I bet on it.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

I realized Hawaii is getting punked right now, but I don't think Hawaii is incapable of playing competitively with Georgia.

You don't see the complete mismatch on the offensive and defensive lines?

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I agree with this. I don't think this was an inevitable outcome at all.

Given that Stanford beat USC and Appalachian State beat Michigan this year, yeah - it wasn't inevitable. But look at Hawaii's schedule and tell me you seriously expected them to be likely to give Georgia a good game?

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

You don't see the complete mismatch on the offensive and defensive lines?

Not to mention the inability/unwillingness to switch up their offensive scheme and give their overmatched offensive line some help with a TE or two.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

You don't see the complete mismatch on the offensive and defensive lines?

While I agree Hawaii should've been given a chance, I do think the teams picking these games should've tried accomdating them better. Put Hawaii vs Kansas. Let them trade scores. But Hawaii was the team no one wanted because they wouldn't have fans travel so it made sense to leave them with Georgia in their backyard, and it just so happens Georgia has an NFL prosepct rich defense.

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Uh, yeah, the Auburn fans.

Well, you had three undefeated teams, and two spots for a title game. You wanna turn football into Chinese Checkers, and have a three, or maybe even four-way game? If we can find a way to get four teams with the same record on the field at the same time, then let's do it. Let's just have a Royal Rumble, football style.

Except...Hawaii was undefeated. Nobody else was. They deserve it over Missouri or whoever else. Missouri would have been in the title game if they hadn't lost to Oklahoma. That's on them. Hawaii played one team from a BCS school, and scheduled another one, but that other school wussed out for a smorgasbord of reasons. Hawaii will play anyone. They're slated to play USC in a few years.

But, anyway....I have my first day off in a long time tomorrow...and I got drunk...so I'm rambling..sorry, Vegas Vic.

[DeToxRox]

Brennan is tough, I'll give him that. He got killed again on that option pitch.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Given that Stanford beat USC and Appalachian State beat Michigan this year, yeah - it wasn't inevitable. But look at Hawaii's schedule and tell me you seriously expected them to be likely to give Georgia a good game?

I actually said I did before the bowl season began to expose the WAC. Even after that, I think 12-0 means they are not a bad team - they're at least as good as a team like Central Florida, which nearly beat Texas, or East Carolina, which gave VaTech a very good game. I think if Hawaii brings their A game, and Georgia brings their C- game, Hawaii could win. But that's obviously not the case today.

[ISiddiqui]

I know I'm a bit late, but oh man does Hawai'i look bad. Brennan has to dropped a few rounds, you'd think.

[DeToxRox]

Mindless trivia -- The only Florida team with a bowl win this year is Florida Atlantic

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

They're slated to play USC in a few years.

I think they have to go to USC next time. The home field didn't help them too much in 2005.

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I actually said I did before the bowl season began to expose the WAC. Even after that, I think 12-0 means they are not a bad team - they're at least as good as a team like Central Florida, which nearly beat Texas, or East Carolina, which gave VaTech a very good game. I think if Hawaii brings their A game, and Georgia brings their C- game, Hawaii could win. But that's obviously not the case today.

I agree. Good shit, Cronin.

[Eaglesfan27]

Colt throws yet another pick. I keep thinking about turning this game off, but now it's sort of like a wreck that I want to see how bad it gets.

[DeToxRox]

Georgia's D is so fucking good. Going into next year they should be #1.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Hawaii will play anyone.

No, they won't - not if it means giving up home games. Their schedule this year proves that.

For a variety of reasons (cost being the primary one) BCS-conference schools are reluctant to schedule home and home series with Hawaii. That leaves Hawaii stuck with their weak in-conference schedule and whatever lower-level teams are willing to travel to the islands for a game.

Now, they could be like Gonzaga in hoops and prove themselves with road games, but this year they didn't and have paid the consequences in terms of skepticism about the value of their undefeated (up till now) season.

[Swaggs]

Which bowl would Hawaii have played in if they had not made the BCS?

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Which bowl would Hawaii have played in if they had not made the BCS?

Hawaii bowl

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I actually said I did before the bowl season began to expose the WAC. Even after that, I think 12-0 means they are not a bad team - they're at least as good as a team like Central Florida, which nearly beat Texas, or East Carolina, which gave VaTech a very good game. I think if Hawaii brings their A game, and Georgia brings their C- game, Hawaii could win. But that's obviously not the case today.

I think they'd be somewhere between 5-7 wins if they played in the Pac-10. And I might be generous in saying that many...

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Which bowl would Hawaii have played in if they had not made the BCS?

Almost definitely the Hawaii Bowl.

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

I think they have to go to USC next time. The home field didn't help them too much in 2005.

Actually, I think USC goes there again in 2010....I may be wrong..but I think Pete Carroll likes Polynesian Pussy.

Just kiddin'....but, yeah...Hawaii got their asses kicked then, and they got their asses kicked tonight...but do you ever read books or watch movies? Would you like to read a book or watch a movie where the underdog gets the piss beat out of him, and then runs away, never to be heard from again? Or would you rather see an underdog who will get it's teeth kicked in multiple times in the hope of overcoming?

Maybe you're into submissives.

[DeToxRox]

Oof. Overrated chants are just salt in the wounds.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

I think they'd be somewhere between 5-7 wins if they played in the Pac-10. And I might be generous in saying that many...

Washington played Boise State and Hawaii this year, beating the Broncos and losing a close one at Hawaii. The Washington players said that Hawaii would probably finish 7th or 8th in the Pac Ten.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Heh, I wondered when the "overrated" chant would start.

And the Fox crew, naturally, has to try to defend this NAIA pretender.

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

No, they won't - not if it means giving up home games. Their schedule this year proves that.

For a variety of reasons (cost being the primary one) BCS-conference schools are reluctant to schedule home and home series with Hawaii. That leaves Hawaii stuck with their weak in-conference schedule and whatever lower-level teams are willing to travel to the islands for a game.

Now, they could be like Gonzaga in hoops and prove themselves with road games, but this year they didn't and have paid the consequences in terms of skepticism about the value of their undefeated (up till now) season.

Then why don't teams go to Hawaii and beat up on a supposed "patsy". I know that game weeks are mostly business, but I think any visiting player would favor looking at palm trees and sunshine rather than, say, Piscataway New Jersey.

[Joe]

lol.. Mark Richt looks so bored

[Swaggs]

If I recall correctly, that would have matched them up against ECU.

I guess they could have beaten ECU and probably finished in the top 6-7. After this game, I'm wondering if they will even be ranked in the final polls. I'm sure it was worth it to get the BCS money, but 15 or 20 years from now, a solid top 10 finish would probably be memorable.

[st.cronin]

Comeback begins... NOW.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Then why don't teams go to Hawaii and beat up on a supposed "patsy".

Ever checked the cost of flying a football team to Hawaii?

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Heh, I wondered when the "overrated" chant would start.

And the Fox crew, naturally, has to try to defend this NAIA pretender.

Hey, Jon, where were you last year, homeboy? Was Boise a pretender? They play in the same conference?

Things change year to year, game to game....Don't be that way.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Then why don't teams go to Hawaii and beat up on a supposed "patsy". I know that game weeks are mostly business, but I think any visiting player would favor looking at palm trees and sunshine rather than, say, Piscataway New Jersey.

Logistically it's a problem. You don't want to open your year there, it's a death trap. You don't want to end if there if you're a BCS title contender because you just went through a grueling schedule of conference games to get where you are. You could do it week 2 or 3 but then you'd need a bye after if you're going to do it because I am sure that kind of trip takes a lot out of a team.

Sadly for Hawaii it's a no win.

[Joe]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Ever checked the cost of flying a football team to Hawaii?

I have never checked the cost of flying a football team anywhere. No reason to, really..

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Ever checked the cost of flying a football team to Hawaii?

Haha...college football teams worrying about money..Ok, Carrot Top, what is your next joke? I hope it has to do with the poor quality of airline food!

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Hey, Jon, where were you last year, homeboy? Was Boise a pretender? They play in the same conference?

Things change year to year, game to game....Don't be that way.

Comparing it to last year is tough. For one, this is a home game for Georgia. Secondly, Oklahoma last year wasn't good, they were beat up and had no QB. This year Georgia could've been in the BCS Title game. And third, Boise could run and throw. Hawaii can only pass and when you get shut down there you're done.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Hey, Jon, where were you last year, homeboy? Was Boise a pretender? They play in the same conference? Things change year to year, game to game....Don't be that way.

Boise was a fluke, plain & simple. A Chaminade.

I maintain the same position that I've maintained for quite a while now (all the way back to the BYU undefeated season a couple of decades ago):
Teams like this absolutely no business even being a part of the conversation when it comes to national titles.

Hell, there's large high school teams in several states that could play .500 ball in the f'n WAC., absolutely no doubt in my mind about it (if you'll let 'em have 5 years to use their eligibility).

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Haha...college football teams worrying about money..Ok, Carrot Top, what is your next joke? I hope it has to do with the poor quality of airline food!

You think he's joking? Expense is a major reason teams are reluctant to go to Hawaii for games.

The other primary factor is it's a classic "trap" game. You bring a bunch of kids over to the islands for a weekend for a game - you think some of them might not get distracted? And there's not a lot in it for teams that go there - beat them and it's mostly "so what"; lose and you put a massive dent in any national championship hopes.

[Swaggs]

Any Oklahoma fans have any input on how their defensive losses might affect the team in the Fiesta Bowl? I have heard that they have four starters out due to grades/discipline/injuries.

I know some folks will sleep on WVU without Rodriguez, but I think the WVU-Oklahoma game will be the best BCS game. From all accounts that I have heard, the Mountaineers have had very good practice without Rodriguez and have kind of mellowed out, a bit (going from the very strict Rodriguez to a more player-friendly coach in Bill Stewart--which can sometimes do the trick for a struggling/uptight ballclub in the short term).

[DeToxRox]

lol at Richt challenging this.

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Boise was a fluke, plain & simple. A Chaminade.

I maintain the same position that I've maintained for quite a while now (all the way back to the BYU undefeated season a couple of decades ago):
Teams like this absolutely no business even being a part of the conversation when it comes to national titles.

Hell, there's large high school teams in several states that could play .500 ball in the f'n WAC., absolutely no doubt in my mind about it (if you'll let 'em have 5 years to use their eligibility).

I never said "national title" when it came to Hawaii. I just thought it was fair to let them try to prove themselves on the big stage, against a really good team from an established conference. Hawaii failed. That's ok. They got blown away. Many other teams from BCS conferences would have been dominated by Georgia tonight. They're a very good football team that's playing up to potential right now. I do not think that it's a good idea to deny undefeated teams from mid-major conferences a slot in the BCS over a two or three loss BCS conference team. Maybe I'm just a romantic, and enjoy surprises...and I wouldn't be surprised too much if Missouri beat Georgia tonight....I would think "Oh...that's nice...my balls itch".

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

I never said "national title" when it came to Hawaii. I just thought it was fair to let them try to prove themselves on the big stage, against a really good team from an established conference. Hawaii failed. That's ok. They got blown away. Many other teams from BCS conferences would have been dominated by Georgia tonight. They're a very good football team that's playing up to potential right now. I do not think that it's a good idea to deny undefeated teams from mid-major conferences a slot in the BCS over a two or three loss BCS conference team. Maybe I'm just a romantic, and enjoy surprises...and I wouldn't be surprised too much if Missouri beat Georgia tonight....I would think "Oh...that's nice...my balls itch".

Exactly how I feel.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Fox announcers are just the worst. As much as I can't stand Georgia, the fact that they're having this much trouble with the challenge kind of seems to indicate that there was something worth taking a look at.

Then again, I believe this is a Pac-10 officiating crew, so anything's possible

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Boise was a fluke, plain & simple. A Chaminade.

Boise State turned out to be a legitimate top 10 team last year. The key was that they had great balance offensively, they weren't one-dimensional.

Also, Oklahoma was wrongly perceived to be some kind of a juggernaut last year. They scraped out a lot of close wins with a wide receiver playing quarterback and backdoored their way into the Big XII Championship game when Texas choked at the end of the season. Oklahoma was only a 6 point favorite over Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl, and they lost by one point in overtime.

So, despite the "David vs. Goliath" myth that continues to be perpetuated on last year's Fiesta Bowl, the underlying facts suggest it was nothing of the sort.