2008 NFL Offseason Thread - Page 9

Coffee Warlord · 03-08-2008, 09:18 AM

Heh.

Bears sign Brandon Lloyd to a 1 year deal. And his first quote?

The outspoken side of Lloyd may never go away. During Friday's teleconference, he was asked about the Bears' quarterback situation. Without hesitation, he said, " Rex Grossman is the starter and coach Ron Turner and coach Lovie [Smith] think very highly of him."

Turner immediately chimed in and clarified the matter, emphasizing that it is an open competition between the quarterbacks.

Subby · 03-08-2008, 10:00 AM

Redskins offseason is already a success - cutting Brandon Lloyd and re-signing Rock Cartwright...

Suburban Rhythm · 03-08-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I wonder where Shaun will end up? I'd think somewhere like Detroit or Houston could use him. Maybe the Jets or Cardinals as well.

I was listening on the radio earlier, forget which idiots, and they are throwing out all these names of teams...except Houston, which I think is the most obvious.

Arizona doesn't make much sense to me, since I don't see him and Edge splitting carries working real well.

Next question is...Shaun Alexander, HOF?

st.cronin · 03-08-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Turner immediately chimed in and clarified the matter, emphasizing that it is an open competition between the quarterbacks.

Its just Grossman and Orton, now, right? Nobody else in the mix?

miami_fan · 03-08-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Next question is...Shaun Alexander, HOF?

You're kidding right?

st.cronin · 03-08-2008, 07:36 PM

Some draft speculations:

New England (and also New Orleans) look to be in an excellent position to trade down from their first round pick. Jacksonville picks at 26, and has one clear need that I can see (defensive end). If they want to get one of the top DE's in the draft, they will likely need to move up. The Pats and the Saints are about where they would need to get to, and are the only teams in that range that probably wouldn't want to draft a DE. There are other teams that might want to get up to one of those spots, too, like Washington.

A similar thing could happen with DT, if Sedrick Ellis is still on the board at #7. Denver would probably be willing to move up, as might some other teams like, again, Washington.

New Orleans is a team with a lot of holes, and would benefit from picking up some extra picks, while New England ... I'm just not sure there's anybody that should be drafted that high that makes any sense for them.

Suburban Rhythm · 03-08-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

You're kidding right?

Not really. His rookie year he split carries with Watters. He had 5 outstanding seasons, followed by 2 average and injury-filled seasons.

Is that a HOF career?

I get he's got 100 career TDs, which is a great accomplishment. But you really think that makes him a slam dunk for the HOF?

Logan · 03-08-2008, 07:51 PM

I really hope the bewilderment was for him being in the conversation about entering the HoF without buying a ticket or being invited as Walter Jones' guest.

st.cronin · 03-08-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

I really hope the bewilderment was for him being in the conversation about entering the HoF without buying a ticket or being invited as Walter Jones' guest.

+1

I mean, I guess we could just put every running back in the hall of fame.

miami_fan · 03-08-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

I really hope the bewilderment was for him being in the conversation about entering the HoF without buying a ticket or being invited as Walter Jones' guest.

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner

stevew · 03-08-2008, 11:44 PM

I'd say alexander needs at least 4000 more yards at a respectable YPC before he gets any kind of serious consideration. And that's also just cause he has a sick amount of TD's, realistically he'll end up with the 3rd most rushing TD's of all time, behind Emmit and LT.

Cringer · 03-09-2008, 12:49 AM

Packer's Fan Fest is going on, so lots of players up in Green Bay before some team workouts this next week.

Aaron Rodgers, or as Donald Driver calls him A-Rod, had his first press conference as a starter. I love the guy's attitude, he had good answers to all the questions. I am actually excited now to see how he does.

Chief Rum · 03-09-2008, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Not really. His rookie year he split carries with Watters. He had 5 outstanding seasons, followed by 2 average and injury-filled seasons.

Is that a HOF career?

I get he's got 100 career TDs, which is a great accomplishment. But you really think that makes him a slam dunk for the HOF?

I don't get this. You were the one posting the original question (which, the way posed, seems to imply you favor that). miami fan rightly questions even the suggestion. Then you post this, which seems to be arguing against it. Are you just arguing with yourself to pass the time between hockey draft pocks?

Suburban Rhythm · 03-09-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I don't get this. You were the one posting the original question (which, the way posed, seems to imply you favor that). miami fan rightly questions even the suggestion. Then you post this, which seems to be arguing against it. Are you just arguing with yourself to pass the time between hockey draft pocks?

Didn't mean to have it appear as I was in favor of Alexander in the HOF. Simply throwing it out there, as his career as a Seahawk is over, and his NFL career as a whole severely on the downswing.

I should have gone with, HOFer, yes or no? Discuss.

And obviously, from the 2nd answer, I am on the no side of the aisle.

Coffee Warlord · 03-09-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Its just Grossman and Orton, now, right? Nobody else in the mix?

Barring them drafting, yep. Which basically means Grossman.

Chief Rum · 03-09-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Barring them drafting, yep. Which basically means Grossman.

So who will the Bears target in the 2009 Top 10 draft class? My guess is Sanchez from SC or Tebow for UF.

like a dog · 03-09-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

So who will the Bears target in the 2009 Top 10 draft class? My guess is Sanchez from SC or Tebow for UF.

Tebow is not a quarterback in the NFL.

Atocep · 03-09-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

So who will the Bears target in the 2009 Top 10 draft class? My guess is Sanchez from SC or Tebow for UF.

Angelo seems to be in love with Flacco, which means its likely that someone else that wants him will make sure they're in position to take him ahead of the bears in the 2nd.

Angelo is clueless when it comes to the offensive side of the ball. He had Mike Williams rated as the top receiver in the '05 draft and Cedric Benson above Ronnie Brown.

k0ruptr · 03-09-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by like a dog

Tebow is not a quarterback in the NFL.

BUT do the bears have a need for FB after this season?

bhlloy · 03-09-2008, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

So who will the Bears target in the 2009 Top 10 draft class? My guess is Sanchez from SC

Pretty high praise for a guy that is only 50/50 to win the starting job and hasn't done anything in college yet. My guess is that neither of the guys you mention will end up having a successful NFL career.

Chief Rum · 03-09-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by like a dog

Tebow is not a quarterback in the NFL.

lol...I hope you're just tossing this out there as your Hardy to my Laurel.

Chief Rum · 03-09-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

Pretty high praise for a guy that is only 50/50 to win the starting job and hasn't done anything in college yet. My guess is that neither of the guys you mention will end up having a successful NFL career.

Well, you realize the point wasn't to try to assess the potential of either QB, right? It was about the Bears' expected Top 10 pick next year.

This is an NFL thread.

B & B · 03-10-2008, 05:32 PM

David Carr visiting Lions?

WANTED: Replacement players for run down Detroit football team. Football knowledge not necessary, expectations are low. Must be physically present on Sunday, and be willing to collect a large paycheck for minimal work. Employer is not really paying attention. Customers are.

Skolleck · 03-10-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Barring them drafting, yep. Which basically means Grossman.

I like Orton actually. He manages the game well and if he had a few more weapons would be a passable starter, like Dilfer or Delhomme (both a few years ago).

JonInMiddleGA · 03-10-2008, 08:01 PM

Warrick Dunn returns to the Bucs

rkmsuf · 03-11-2008, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Skolleck

I like Orton actually. He manages the game well and if he had a few more weapons would be a passable starter, like Dilfer or Delhomme (both a few years ago).

When you say someone manages the game well it means he sucks and hopefully your defense can win it for you.

Suburban Rhythm · 03-11-2008, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

When you say someone manages the game well it means he sucks and hopefully your defense can win it for you.

Manages the game = she's got a great personality

Arles · 03-11-2008, 01:31 PM

Cards finally got out of the Fitz mess. Signed him to a 4-year, $40 million deal:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3287855

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The Arizona Cardinals and wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald reached agreement on a blockbuster four-year, $40 million contract that will free up much-needed salary cap room for the team.

Fitzgerald announced the deal on his Web site, saying he will make $33 million over the first three years of the contract.

Over the final two years of his old deal, Fitzgerald was scheduled to make $14,592,500 in 2008 and $17,355,000 in 2009. That put the team in a tight cap bind -- with less than $400,000 of cap room remaining -- so signing players was tough until they struck a deal with Fitzgerald. They had only 48 players on their roster and only 16 players on defense.

The team was trying to find a way to convince Fitzgerald to sign a six-year deal. In the end, Fitzgerald got his way and signed a four-year deal.

Fitzgerald will receive a $15 million signing bonus Tuesday. His base salary will be $2 million, giving him a $17 million payout this year. He has a $5 million option bonus in 2009. Over the four years of his contract, he will receive $30 million in guarantees.

The new deal will save the team $8.842 million in cap room, dropping his salary cap number from $16,485,000 to $7,643,334.

It's a shame they couldn't have done this two weeks ago as maybe Faneca would be in Arizona right now instead of New York.

Thomkal · 03-11-2008, 02:44 PM

thank the football gods my beloved Cards finally redid his contract, now maybe they can actually sign some free agents. Stupidity on the part of Cardinals management not to get this done before free agency began since they knew they were going to have cap problems heading in.

Atocep · 03-11-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Manages the game = she's got a great personality

Or in this case, grows an amazing neckbeard.

stevew · 03-11-2008, 03:14 PM

I can't believe he caved in. Basically he traded essentially 31m guaranteed over 2 years for 40m over 4. It's not like they were going to cut him. He must really have wanted to stay for some reason. There's gotta be some huge incentives in year 4 I would have thought.

Arles · 03-11-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I can't believe he caved in. Basically he traded essentially 31m guaranteed over 2 years for 40m over 4. It's not like they were going to cut him. He must really have wanted to stay for some reason. There's gotta be some huge incentives in year 4 I would have thought.

They could have traded him and there's no way the team bringing him in would agree to that contract. In essence, he traded $14 million this year and $17 million next for $17 million this year and $16 million over the next two seasons. I think year 4 may be a player option (or it has a $7 mil base + incentives).

Atocep · 03-11-2008, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I can't believe he caved in. Basically he traded essentially 31m guaranteed over 2 years for 40m over 4. It's not like they were going to cut him. He must really have wanted to stay for some reason. There's gotta be some huge incentives in year 4 I would have thought.

From what I've heard, the cardinals wanted to go 6 years, but Fitzgerald was the one insisting on a 4 year deal because he's looking at a big contract when he's 28.

The cardinals were in horrible cap shape, they either had to rework his contract or look at the possibility of trading him. I read somewhere they just 16 defensive players under contract or something crazy like that.

Cringer · 03-11-2008, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I can't believe he caved in. Basically he traded essentially 31m guaranteed over 2 years for 40m over 4. It's not like they were going to cut him. He must really have wanted to stay for some reason. There's gotta be some huge incentives in year 4 I would have thought.

Maybe he knew his contract was hurting the team and he wants some glimmer of hope of going to the playoffs

stevew · 03-11-2008, 03:25 PM

They are the cardinals though.

stevew · 03-11-2008, 03:29 PM

dola
I would hope he got some sort of language built in to the new deal so that he could not be franchised at any time.

AlexB · 03-11-2008, 03:53 PM

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story?...o&confirm=true

We know two things for sure: despite Goodell worrying about teams spying, there can be no accusations that the Rams taped the Dolphins early season matches

$2.1m bonus and $4m 1st year? I can only guess they drafting a QB, and Green's FOF card would have 'Mentor' on it...

st.cronin · 03-11-2008, 10:57 PM

Harrington resigns with the Falcons. Maybe they're not thinking about Ryan at 1.3 after all.

bhlloy · 03-11-2008, 11:33 PM

The only thing I can conclude from the Green signing is that he pissed somebody in the Rams front office before he left, and said guy is getting his own back. It's almost too much money for a guy who was going to retire - "hey, he won't be able to turn THIS down, and then we put him behind the worst line in the league and dude can't run anymore and is on his eighteenth concussion. heh heh heh. he'll be a cabbage before the end of the preseason"

st.cronin · 03-11-2008, 11:54 PM

Also the Jets signed Jesse Chatman. Hmmm.

Thomkal · 03-12-2008, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Harrington resigns with the Falcons. Maybe they're not thinking about Ryan at 1.3 after all.

Oh I think they still are going QB at 1.3. I was surprised when they cut Harrington, maybe it was for cap reasons. Given last year's rash of QB injuries, you need a good second string QB, and Harrington's not a bad choice there, especially given the other choices on the roster at the moment. And he can be a mentor for which ever QB they go for.

QuikSand · 03-12-2008, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Subby

Redskins offseason is already a success - cutting Brandon Lloyd and re-signing Rock Cartwright...

Speaking of Cartwright... he seems to me like the standard type of guy we see all the time in FOF free agency, who's sitting out there asking for either minimum salary or maybe a shade more. I see that Cartwright signed for three years with the Skins... I wonder how much they had to pay him to get him to lock up for multiple years. I generally believe this is *too easy* to do in FOF... he seems like a good example of same. I think of him as the standard type pf guy who fits this bill... modest bars, adds some cohesion or maybe an affinity, can play some special teams... valuable to you, but not a guy you exactly build around, nor one that another team is going to swoop in and overpay for, either.

QuikSand · 03-12-2008, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Harrington resigns with the Falcons. Maybe they're not thinking about Ryan at 1.3 after all.

What possible connection could you see between these two decisions?

st.cronin · 03-12-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

What possible connection could you see between these two decisions?

Keep in mind, they had already resigned Chris Redman. I just think it would be odd to sign two veteran qbs, and then draft somebody with the third pick.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-13-2008, 03:50 PM

Latest out of Detroit is that the Lions have cut running back Kevin Jones.

Their backfield now consists of Tatum Bell, who was benched for the final 10 games last year; Aveion Cason, who has been cut and re-signed by the Lions more times than I can count; and Brian Calhoun, who has spent the last two seasons on IR.

They fire Mike Martz and hire Jim Colleto to be the offensive coordinator so they can take the emphasis off the passing game - and, by extension, their two Top Five Overall Wide Receivers, Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson - and focus on a more balanced attack using the running game to set up the passing game.

This team makes no fucking sense.

MikeVic · 03-13-2008, 03:54 PM

Cut Kevin Jones? Why??

DeToxRox · 03-13-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Latest out of Detroit is that the Lions have cut running back Kevin Jones.

Their backfield now consists of Tatum Bell, who was benched for the final 10 games last year; Aveion Cason, who has been cut and re-signed by the Lions more times than I can count; and Brian Calhoun, who has spent the last two seasons on IR.

They fire Mike Martz and hire Jim Colleto to be the offensive coordinator so they can take the emphasis off the passing game - and, by extension, their two Top Five Overall Wide Receivers, Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson - and focus on a more balanced attack using the running game to set up the passing game.

This team makes no fucking sense.

Its obviously my mock draft intuitiviness. But hey if we go RB now which we should, we won't take bust Otah.

Travis · 03-13-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Cut Kevin Jones? Why??

a) So the Seahawks can sign him

b) So the Lions have ample cap room to sign Shaun Alexander once he's cut

Honolulu_Blue · 03-13-2008, 04:14 PM

Now the Lions have released defensive end Kalimba Edwards.

He sucks.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-13-2008, 06:07 PM

This is just depressing:

From the 2002 draft, the Lions have one player remaining (fifth-rounder John Owens, who has bounced around the league). From the 2003 draft, the Lions have one player remaining (Cory Redding). The Lions do not have a starter on the roster, other than Roy Williams, from the 2004 and 2005 drafts.

03-08-2008, 10:00 AM	#402
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03-08-2008, 07:36 PM	#406
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Some draft speculations: New England (and also New Orleans) look to be in an excellent position to trade down from their first round pick. Jacksonville picks at 26, and has one clear need that I can see (defensive end). If they want to get one of the top DE's in the draft, they will likely need to move up. The Pats and the Saints are about where they would need to get to, and are the only teams in that range that probably wouldn't want to draft a DE. There are other teams that might want to get up to one of those spots, too, like Washington. A similar thing could happen with DT, if Sedrick Ellis is still on the board at #7. Denver would probably be willing to move up, as might some other teams like, again, Washington. New Orleans is a team with a lot of holes, and would benefit from picking up some extra picks, while New England ... I'm just not sure there's anybody that should be drafted that high that makes any sense for them. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

03-08-2008, 07:51 PM	#408
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I really hope the bewilderment was for him being in the conversation about entering the HoF without buying a ticket or being invited as Walter Jones' guest. Last edited by Logan : 03-08-2008 at 07:51 PM.

03-08-2008, 11:44 PM	#411
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I'd say alexander needs at least 4000 more yards at a respectable YPC before he gets any kind of serious consideration. And that's also just cause he has a sick amount of TD's, realistically he'll end up with the 3rd most rushing TD's of all time, behind Emmit and LT. Last edited by stevew : 03-08-2008 at 11:45 PM.

03-09-2008, 12:49 AM	#412
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	Packer's Fan Fest is going on, so lots of players up in Green Bay before some team workouts this next week. Aaron Rodgers, or as Donald Driver calls him A-Rod, had his first press conference as a starter. I love the guy's attitude, he had good answers to all the questions. I am actually excited now to see how he does. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

03-08-2008, 09:18 AM	#401
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Heh. Bears sign Brandon Lloyd to a 1 year deal. And his first quote? The outspoken side of Lloyd may never go away. During Friday's teleconference, he was asked about the Bears' quarterback situation. Without hesitation, he said, " Rex Grossman is the starter and coach Ron Turner and coach Lovie [Smith] think very highly of him." Turner immediately chimed in and clarified the matter, emphasizing that it is an open competition between the quarterbacks.

03-10-2008, 05:32 PM	#423
B & B College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: A sports era long ago when everything didnt require a Nike logo	David Carr visiting Lions? WANTED: Replacement players for run down Detroit football team. Football knowledge not necessary, expectations are low. Must be physically present on Sunday, and be willing to collect a large paycheck for minimal work. Employer is not really paying attention. Customers are. __________________ Nobody cares about Kyle Orton because he's black. -PT

03-10-2008, 08:01 PM	#425
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Warrick Dunn returns to the Bucs __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-11-2008, 02:44 PM	#429
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	thank the football gods my beloved Cards finally redid his contract, now maybe they can actually sign some free agents. Stupidity on the part of Cardinals management not to get this done before free agency began since they knew they were going to have cap problems heading in.

03-11-2008, 03:14 PM	#431
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I can't believe he caved in. Basically he traded essentially 31m guaranteed over 2 years for 40m over 4. It's not like they were going to cut him. He must really have wanted to stay for some reason. There's gotta be some huge incentives in year 4 I would have thought. Last edited by stevew : 03-11-2008 at 03:17 PM.

03-11-2008, 03:25 PM	#435
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	They are the cardinals though.

03-11-2008, 03:29 PM	#436
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	dola I would hope he got some sort of language built in to the new deal so that he could not be franchised at any time.

03-11-2008, 03:53 PM	#437
AlexB Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newbury, England	http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story?...o&confirm=true We know two things for sure: despite Goodell worrying about teams spying, there can be no accusations that the Rams taped the Dolphins early season matches $2.1m bonus and $4m 1st year? I can only guess they drafting a QB, and Green's FOF card would have 'Mentor' on it... __________________ 'A song is a beautiful lie', Idlewild, Self Healer. When you're smiling, the whole world smiles with you. Sports!

03-11-2008, 10:57 PM	#438
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Harrington resigns with the Falcons. Maybe they're not thinking about Ryan at 1.3 after all. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

03-11-2008, 11:33 PM	#439
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	The only thing I can conclude from the Green signing is that he pissed somebody in the Rams front office before he left, and said guy is getting his own back. It's almost too much money for a guy who was going to retire - "hey, he won't be able to turn THIS down, and then we put him behind the worst line in the league and dude can't run anymore and is on his eighteenth concussion. heh heh heh. he'll be a cabbage before the end of the preseason"

03-11-2008, 11:54 PM	#440
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Also the Jets signed Jesse Chatman. Hmmm. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

03-13-2008, 03:50 PM	#445
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Latest out of Detroit is that the Lions have cut running back Kevin Jones. Their backfield now consists of Tatum Bell, who was benched for the final 10 games last year; Aveion Cason, who has been cut and re-signed by the Lions more times than I can count; and Brian Calhoun, who has spent the last two seasons on IR. They fire Mike Martz and hire Jim Colleto to be the offensive coordinator so they can take the emphasis off the passing game - and, by extension, their two Top Five Overall Wide Receivers, Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson - and focus on a more balanced attack using the running game to set up the passing game. This team makes no fucking sense. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

03-13-2008, 03:54 PM	#446
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Cut Kevin Jones? Why??

03-13-2008, 04:14 PM	#449
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Now the Lions have released defensive end Kalimba Edwards. He sucks. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

03-13-2008, 06:07 PM	#450
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	This is just depressing: From the 2002 draft, the Lions have one player remaining (fifth-rounder John Owens, who has bounced around the league). From the 2003 draft, the Lions have one player remaining (Cory Redding). The Lions do not have a starter on the roster, other than Roy Williams, from the 2004 and 2005 drafts. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

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