POL: Midterm Results Thread - Page 9

Toddzilla · 11-09-2006, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

And McCain is a RINO as any respectable conservative knows, no matter what anyone tells them.

Because he's a big opponent of cutting taxes? I would think - of the 49 GOP senators left - there are at least 5-10 of them plenty more liberal than John McCain.

ISiddiqui · 11-09-2006, 07:33 AM

And conservatives would consider them to be RINO's too

. Remember, I'm from NJ, the battle between 'conservatives' and 'RINOs' has been going on for a while up there, with Christie Whitman being the biggest RINO to the conservative crowd.

I believe on McCain, its because of campaign finance, willingness to work with the other side on a number of issues, and, recently, torture stuff. Otherwise he's pretty conservative, but, after 2000, you won't be able to convince other conservatives of that.

Butter · 11-09-2006, 07:34 AM

What's a RINO?

JonInMiddleGA · 11-09-2006, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Otherwise he's pretty conservative, but, after 2000, you won't be able to convince other conservatives of that.

2000? Hell, his credibility was shot in the past year or two along, never mind anything from 2000.

ISiddiqui · 11-09-2006, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

2000? Hell, his credibility was shot in the past year or two along, never mind anything from 2000.

Well he would need to have any credibility from conservatives to have it 'shot in the past year or two'. That credibility with conservatives was gone in 2000.

And, Butter, RINO = Republican In Name Only.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-09-2006, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

What's a RINO?

RINO = Republican In Name Only

SFL Cat · 11-09-2006, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Where are the pundits to do this? Who do the Dems have to get this message across? The Repubs have Rush (and his ilk) and Fox News to give the impression that McCain is conservative.

From what I've heard, Limbaugh is no McCain fan.

lordscarlet · 11-09-2006, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I don't think so. The public has a very short memory. If the pundits keep repeating that McCain is conservative enough, it'll stick.

And yet Republicans say that Gore could never run again because he challenged the 2000 election. Is it a short or long-term memory?

Jonathan Ezarik · 11-09-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

And yet Republicans say that Gore could never run again because he challenged the 2000 election. Is it a short or long-term memory?

I don't think Gore could run again, but I don't think it has anything to do with challenging the 2000 results. His main problem is that his personality works against him too much.

Jonathan Ezarik · 11-09-2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I believe on McCain, its because of campaign finance, willingness to work with the other side on a number of issues, and, recently, torture stuff.

I find it rather telling that these are considered negatives in the Republican party.

SFL Cat · 11-09-2006, 10:05 AM

In addition to Gore, I think Kerry killed any chance he had in '08 with his "kids who don't do well in school end up in Iraq," comment.

Jonathan Ezarik · 11-09-2006, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

Basically, I would say given 2 years, basically an unlimited fortune, and the bullypulpit of a senate majority, Hillary could (and I only say could) convince independents she's a moderate.

You may be right. I haven't really followed her voting record so I can't say if she's been more of a moderate or not, I just know that growing up in a conservative family, anything with the name of Clinton was synonymous with the devil.

Jonathan Ezarik · 11-09-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SFL Cat

In addition to Gore, I think Kerry killed any chance he had in '08 with his "kids who don't do well in school end up in Iraq," comment.

I think Kerry did Dems a favor by that slip up. Anything to keep him out of running again.

JPhillips · 11-09-2006, 10:08 AM

I don't know if anyone else shares this view, but for me you get one chance to prove you can win. Gore and Kerry can't get my support as presidential candidates because they are proven losers.

lordscarlet · 11-09-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

I don't know if anyone else shares this view, but for me you get one chance to prove you can win. Gore and Kerry can't get my support as presidential candidates because they are proven losers.

Just ask Grover Cleveland.

Vinatieri for Prez · 11-09-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

You may be right. I haven't really followed her voting record so I can't say if she's been more of a moderate or not, I just know that growing up in a conservative family, anything with the name of Clinton was synonymous with the devil.

Her voting record is very moderate, actually. There are a lot more Dems that have voted left of her. But, yes there will be no convincing conservatives of this, but maybe independents given enough time and money.

Vinatieri for Prez · 11-09-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Just ask Grover Cleveland.

Or Richard Nixon.

Vinatieri for Prez · 11-09-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SFL Cat

In addition to Gore, I think Kerry killed any chance he had in '08 with his "kids who don't do well in school end up in Iraq," comment.

Of course, that is a total misquote. But the furor didn't help.

Kodos · 11-09-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Gore and Kerry can't get my support as presidential candidates because they are proven losers.

Never mind that Gore won the popular vote.

kcchief19 · 11-09-2006, 01:41 PM

Hillary's voting record is to Dems as McCain's is to Republicans. They are probably closer to each other than they are to the extremes of either of their parties.

The difference is that the Democrats are not divided. Democrats don't care whether it's a liberal or moderate Democrat, so long as its a Democrat. Being out of power will do that. In much of the country, there is a splintering of the Republican Party between the moderates and the Evangelical Right (I wouldn't even call it Religious Right). The problem the Republicans had in a lot of red states Tuesday (my neighbor Kansas is a prime example) is that candidates who are conservative enough to make it through a primary are too conservative to win a general.

Early polls have show McCain and Guliani with healthy leads against prospective Democrats -- although CNN's polls this week against Hillary showed a dead heat. Those two have almost no chance of making it through the primary process. I don't know who it will be -- I might said George Allen two months ago -- but somebody will become the darling of the Evangelical Right and that person will get the nomination. Right now, I'd put my money on Frist or Romney -- Sam Brownback could be a darkhorse. Nobody knows him and he has no money, but he's just right of Atilla the Hun and will get some serious love from the far right.

Bee · 11-09-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

Never mind that Gore won the popular vote.

Luckily that doesn't mean anything.

edit: Oops, did my hatred of Gore come out....let me tuck that back in.

kcchief19 · 11-09-2006, 01:46 PM

As an aside, I think '08 would be setup perfectly for the formation of a major independent third party. If McCain, Guliani and/or Lieberman got together and said that the two major parties are out of touch with mainstream America and ran as a third party, I think we could see some major chaos. I think a McCain/Lieberman ticket could not only be a spoiler, it could win the whole darn thing. And with voltage like that, they could actually get some established politicians to join their ranks and ran for Congress on a third party platform.

The logistics would be insane to make it work, but if McCain, Guiliani and Lieberman wanted to stick it to the establishment that have and will stick it to them, this is the way to go. Of course, having nothing more than a ruling plurality in Congress would bring all legislation to a halt, but I think that would be a good thing.

Bee · 11-09-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

As an aside, I think '08 would be setup perfectly for the formation of a major independent third party. If McCain, Guliani and/or Lieberman got together and said that the two major parties are out of touch with mainstream America and ran as a third party, I think we could see some major chaos. I think a McCain/Lieberman ticket could not only be a spoiler, it could win the whole darn thing. And with voltage like that, they could actually get some established politicians to join their ranks and ran for Congress on a third party platform.

The logistics would be insane to make it work, but if McCain, Guiliani and Lieberman wanted to stick it to the establishment that have and will stick it to them, this is the way to go. Of course, having nothing more than a ruling plurality in Congress would bring all legislation to a halt, but I think that would be a good thing.

That would be a huge risk for them, but it would definitely be interesting to see the fallout from such a move.

Jonathan Ezarik · 11-09-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

Hillary's voting record is to Dems as McCain's is to Republicans. They are probably closer to each other than they are to the extremes of either of their parties.

How about a McCain/Hillary ticket in '08 then? The Dems have their candidate and moderate Repubs have theirs. Anything to screw with the extreme right.

I kind of wish we would go back to the days when the second vote getter became VP.

Jonathan Ezarik · 11-09-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

As an aside, I think '08 would be setup perfectly for the formation of a major independent third party. If McCain, Guliani and/or Lieberman got together and said that the two major parties are out of touch with mainstream America and ran as a third party, I think we could see some major chaos. I think a McCain/Lieberman ticket could not only be a spoiler, it could win the whole darn thing. And with voltage like that, they could actually get some established politicians to join their ranks and ran for Congress on a third party platform.

It's a good idea, but I don't see how they could get the resources to do it. They would need to find a ton of money in the next two years.

albionmoonlight · 11-09-2006, 02:08 PM

It would be strange for a "Moderate Party" to run as a response to an election wherein the common perception is that the moderates were able to make their voices heard through the two party system.

JPhillips · 11-09-2006, 02:11 PM

McCain is spending far too much time courting the evangelicals to be thinking third party.

-Mojo Jojo- · 11-09-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

McCain is spending far too much time courting the evangelicals to be thinking third party.

Agreed. He could have pulled off a third party move in 2000 or 2004. I doubt it now. He's spent the past year marrying himself to evangelicals and burning off most of his liberal support base.

CamEdwards · 11-09-2006, 05:08 PM

There's a line of thinking that New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg will be running as a third party candidate in '08. He's got scads of cash, he's been travelling around the country a lot lately, he's got a couple of pet issues (gun control being one of them) that can get him some face time, and now that Schumer, Rangel, and Slaughter will all be fairly powerful in the majority party in Congress, he can try and use them to get some pet legislation passed.

I think Bloomberg will only run if he's convinced he can peel away enough support to actually have a chance of winning. I don't think he'll run as a spoiler, but his ego might well push him to run when he doesn't have a chance in hell of getting elected.

Crapshoot · 11-09-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CamEdwards

There's a line of thinking that New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg will be running as a third party candidate in '08. He's got scads of cash, he's been travelling around the country a lot lately, he's got a couple of pet issues (gun control being one of them) that can get him some face time, and now that Schumer, Rangel, and Slaughter will all be fairly powerful in the majority party in Congress, he can try and use them to get some pet legislation passed.

I think Bloomberg will only run if he's convinced he can peel away enough support to actually have a chance of winning. I don't think he'll run as a spoiler, but his ego might well push him to run when he doesn't have a chance in hell of getting elected.

Cam, did you read Derb's piece on that over at NR (I keep seeing your name mentioned there

) on this subject ?

JPhillips · 11-09-2006, 06:07 PM

Does Bloomberg have any support outside of NYC? It seems like a terrible idea if you ask me.

Galaxy · 11-09-2006, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Cam, did you read Derb's piece on that over at NR (I keep seeing your name mentioned there

) on this subject ?

Any links?

Galaxy · 11-09-2006, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Cam, did you read Derb's piece on that over at NR (I keep seeing your name mentioned there

) on this subject ?

Any links?

CamEdwards · 11-09-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Cam, did you read Derb's piece on that over at NR (I keep seeing your name mentioned there

) on this subject ?

If you're talking about Derb's piece in September, I remember reading some of it back then. Actually the head of the NY State Rifle and Pistol Association was the first guy I'd heard talking about Bloomberg running for president, and that was almost a year ago.

As to whether or not Bloomberg has any support outside of NYC... not much right now. But he's been able to get 109 mayors to sign on to his gun control group by promising to only go after criminal possession of firearms (though that's not exactly the legislation he's backing). He's also done a good job of reaching out to people like the Governator. And someone in NY did a nationwide poll asking people what they thought of Bloomberg, describing him in glowing terms. I think somewhere around 65% of those responding said they'd consider voting for someone like him.

Crapshoot · 11-09-2006, 08:12 PM

Sorry Galaxy - can't find one quickly.

I was referring to the one in September - when he described the conservative horror of having to vote between Hillary, McCain, and Bloomberg.

kcchief19 · 11-10-2006, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CamEdwards

There's a line of thinking that New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg will be running as a third party candidate in '08. He's got scads of cash, he's been travelling around the country a lot lately, he's got a couple of pet issues (gun control being one of them) that can get him some face time, and now that Schumer, Rangel, and Slaughter will all be fairly powerful in the majority party in Congress, he can try and use them to get some pet legislation passed.

I think Bloomberg will only run if he's convinced he can peel away enough support to actually have a chance of winning. I don't think he'll run as a spoiler, but his ego might well push him to run when he doesn't have a chance in hell of getting elected.

Interesting note ... Bloomberg sent five staffers to work for the McCaskill campaign during the final week here in Missouri. The official story was that stem cells are an important issue to him and he was working to support pro-stem cell research candidates nationwide. While I have no reason to doubt his altruism, his a politican who just bought himself some political capital. He's got to be planning to do something with it.

famatu · 11-10-2006, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

Her voting record is very moderate, actually. There are a lot more Dems that have voted left of her. But, yes there will be no convincing conservatives of this, but maybe independents given enough time and money.

Independents are conservatives without a party. There is no conseravtive party in America. There is the liberal party (Republican) and the socialist party (democrat). The term "moderate" is not something that is appealing to a true independent. Moderate = has no opinion and goes with popular opinions of everyone else. Moderate = will simply "give in" on things they believe so they are popular with their opponent. Moderate = putang!

famatu · 11-10-2006, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by -Mojo Jojo-

Agreed. He could have pulled off a third party move in 2000 or 2004. I doubt it now. He's spent the past year marrying himself to evangelicals and burning off most of his liberal support base.

Anyone who has a "liberal support base" will NEVER get the votes of a conservative voter. Are you nuts?

ISiddiqui · 11-10-2006, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by famatu

Independents are conservatives without a party. There is no conseravtive party in America. There is the liberal party (Republican) and the socialist party (democrat). The term "moderate" is not something that is appealing to a true independent. Moderate = has no opinion and goes with popular opinions of everyone else. Moderate = will simply "give in" on things they believe so they are popular with their opponent. Moderate = putang!

LOL!

It's funny because any other Western Democracy would say that there is no liberal party in the US. You have the far right party (Republicans) and the moderate right party (Democrats). Our Democrats are probably more to the right than most of the right wing parties overseas. Not saying I agree, but it is funny seeing someone say the opposite.

And true independants like moderate policies (it's why both parties court them). Hate to break it to you. Moderates are tired of the extremes bickering and want common sense solutions to things, not ideological masturbation on both sides of the asile.

Vinatieri for Prez · 11-10-2006, 01:36 AM

Yup. Very true. Most American Democrats are to the right of Canada's Conservative Party. And they are all well right of all the other parties in Canada.

Vinatieri for Prez · 11-10-2006, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by famatu

Independents are conservatives without a party. There is no conseravtive party in America. There is the liberal party (Republican) and the socialist party (democrat). The term "moderate" is not something that is appealing to a true independent. Moderate = has no opinion and goes with popular opinions of everyone else. Moderate = will simply "give in" on things they believe so they are popular with their opponent. Moderate = putang!

Actually, this is a more apt description:

social conservative = intolerant (the minority)
moderate = tolerant (the majority)

Glengoyne · 11-10-2006, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SFL Cat

From what I've heard, Limbaugh is no McCain fan.

I was stunned back in 2000 at how Rush and company villified McCain. It was unbelievable. I just don't see how they, radio conservatives, would warm to him now or in 2008. Even if he would be a slam dunk in a general election. They feel about McCain the same way whacko libs feel about Lieberman. One of my whacko lib friends even feels that McCain is too far right now, to sweep through a general election. My response: I'd bet my house that McCain wins CA in a general presidential election. The Dems simply don't have a play in their book that counters that. Too bad McCain won't make it through a primary to prove it.

Flasch186 · 11-10-2006, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

I was stunned back in 2000 at how Rush and company villified McCain. It was unbelievable. I just don't see how they, radio conservatives, would warm to him now or in 2008. Even if he would be a slam dunk in a general election. They feel about McCain the same way whacko libs feel about Lieberman. One of my whacko lib friends even feels that McCain is too far right now, to sweep through a general election. My response: I'd bet my house that McCain wins CA in a general presidential election. The Dems simply don't have a play in their book that counters that. Too bad McCain won't make it through a primary to prove it.

...because his wife is a drug addict? Or they adopted an african-american baby? I forgot which piece of shit attack was thrown at him by Rove.

Crapshoot · 11-10-2006, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

I was stunned back in 2000 at how Rush and company villified McCain. It was unbelievable. I just don't see how they, radio conservatives, would warm to him now or in 2008. Even if he would be a slam dunk in a general election. They feel about McCain the same way whacko libs feel about Lieberman. One of my whacko lib friends even feels that McCain is too far right now, to sweep through a general election. My response: I'd bet my house that McCain wins CA in a general presidential election. The Dems simply don't have a play in their book that counters that. Too bad McCain won't make it through a primary to prove it.

The South Carolina push poll was one of the most despicable political tactics I've seen - up there with the James Byrd ad run by some Dem committee ("Bush lynched my father") and then some.

McCain's actually really hurt by Guliani - the law and order Reps and the mods love Guliani far more, and he gets a free pass for his social views because of NYC. Romney is undergoing a transformation to the "conservative" candidate (or as I like to call him, the hypocritical bastard), and might well win this from the right.

-Mojo Jojo- · 11-10-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by famatu

Anyone who has a "liberal support base" will NEVER get the votes of a conservative voter. Are you nuts?

Say what? That's why he would have been a good third party candidate. Reading comprehension these days...

AlexB · 11-10-2006, 04:14 PM

Did GWB really say...

'I thought we were doing OK, until yesterday.... Shows what I know'.

Seriously? No, come on. Seriously?

Galaxy · 11-10-2006, 09:19 PM

Personally,

I like Bloomberg. I would vote for him. I've also a fan of Romney.

With the Iowa governor annoucing he's running, looks like McCain is looking at making up his mind soon.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15658782/

When is the filing date for the race?

With McCain, his age is a concern. With Bloomberg and McCain, will VP be key?

CamEdwards · 11-10-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

Personally,

I like Bloomberg. I would vote for him.

With the Iowa governor annoucing he's running, looks like McCain is looking at making up his mind soon.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15658782/

When is the filing date for the race?

Just out of curiousity, why do you like Bloomberg?

SirFozzie · 11-10-2006, 09:37 PM

after the hatchet job Romney did to my home state, I wouldn't vote for him for dog catcher. (edit: I did actually vote for him twice as governor)

All throughout his first term and the campaign for the 2nd term, he basically said "I don't agree with it.. but since the people of the state are for it, it'll be done" (it being gay marriage, stem cell research, etcetera),

Then once he got the 2nd term as governor (after promising that if he was reelected, the state would come first), he realized he could go for the brass ring of running for president, and he basically became an absentee governor for most of his second term.

He realized that he had to play to the far rights to have a chance, so he abandoned all his former statements about the "will of the people" and played to the press and the far right. There were some bills vetoed that he promised to sign in his first term, (thankfully, the bills had a veto-proof margin).

So as someone who doesn't live up to his oaths either to the state or it's people (basically abandoning the state that elected him.. I wouldn't be so pissed if he had resigned, but continuing to reap the political rewards of the title of governor without doing diddly-squat at his real job), He's dead to me, politically, basically.

Galaxy · 11-10-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CamEdwards

Just out of curiousity, why do you like Bloomberg?

I think he brings a combination of organziation, leadership, and a business mindset. He seems willing to get things done. A moderate republican.

11-09-2006, 07:33 AM	#402
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	And conservatives would consider them to be RINO's too . Remember, I'm from NJ, the battle between 'conservatives' and 'RINOs' has been going on for a while up there, with Christie Whitman being the biggest RINO to the conservative crowd. I believe on McCain, its because of campaign finance, willingness to work with the other side on a number of issues, and, recently, torture stuff. Otherwise he's pretty conservative, but, after 2000, you won't be able to convince other conservatives of that. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

11-09-2006, 07:34 AM	#403
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	What's a RINO? __________________ My listening habits

11-09-2006, 10:08 AM	#414
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I don't know if anyone else shares this view, but for me you get one chance to prove you can win. Gore and Kerry can't get my support as presidential candidates because they are proven losers. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

11-09-2006, 02:11 PM	#427
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	McCain is spending far too much time courting the evangelicals to be thinking third party. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

11-09-2006, 05:08 PM	#429
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	There's a line of thinking that New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg will be running as a third party candidate in '08. He's got scads of cash, he's been travelling around the country a lot lately, he's got a couple of pet issues (gun control being one of them) that can get him some face time, and now that Schumer, Rangel, and Slaughter will all be fairly powerful in the majority party in Congress, he can try and use them to get some pet legislation passed. I think Bloomberg will only run if he's convinced he can peel away enough support to actually have a chance of winning. I don't think he'll run as a spoiler, but his ego might well push him to run when he doesn't have a chance in hell of getting elected. __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

11-09-2006, 10:05 AM	#411
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	In addition to Gore, I think Kerry killed any chance he had in '08 with his "kids who don't do well in school end up in Iraq," comment.

11-09-2006, 01:41 PM	#420
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	Hillary's voting record is to Dems as McCain's is to Republicans. They are probably closer to each other than they are to the extremes of either of their parties. The difference is that the Democrats are not divided. Democrats don't care whether it's a liberal or moderate Democrat, so long as its a Democrat. Being out of power will do that. In much of the country, there is a splintering of the Republican Party between the moderates and the Evangelical Right (I wouldn't even call it Religious Right). The problem the Republicans had in a lot of red states Tuesday (my neighbor Kansas is a prime example) is that candidates who are conservative enough to make it through a primary are too conservative to win a general. Early polls have show McCain and Guliani with healthy leads against prospective Democrats -- although CNN's polls this week against Hillary showed a dead heat. Those two have almost no chance of making it through the primary process. I don't know who it will be -- I might said George Allen two months ago -- but somebody will become the darling of the Evangelical Right and that person will get the nomination. Right now, I'd put my money on Frist or Romney -- Sam Brownback could be a darkhorse. Nobody knows him and he has no money, but he's just right of Atilla the Hun and will get some serious love from the far right.

11-09-2006, 01:46 PM	#422
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	As an aside, I think '08 would be setup perfectly for the formation of a major independent third party. If McCain, Guliani and/or Lieberman got together and said that the two major parties are out of touch with mainstream America and ran as a third party, I think we could see some major chaos. I think a McCain/Lieberman ticket could not only be a spoiler, it could win the whole darn thing. And with voltage like that, they could actually get some established politicians to join their ranks and ran for Congress on a third party platform. The logistics would be insane to make it work, but if McCain, Guiliani and Lieberman wanted to stick it to the establishment that have and will stick it to them, this is the way to go. Of course, having nothing more than a ruling plurality in Congress would bring all legislation to a halt, but I think that would be a good thing.

11-09-2006, 02:08 PM	#426
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	It would be strange for a "Moderate Party" to run as a response to an election wherein the common perception is that the moderates were able to make their voices heard through the two party system.

11-09-2006, 06:07 PM	#431
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Does Bloomberg have any support outside of NYC? It seems like a terrible idea if you ask me. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

11-09-2006, 08:12 PM	#435
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Sorry Galaxy - can't find one quickly. I was referring to the one in September - when he described the conservative horror of having to vote between Hillary, McCain, and Bloomberg.

11-10-2006, 01:36 AM	#440
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	Yup. Very true. Most American Democrats are to the right of Canada's Conservative Party. And they are all well right of all the other parties in Canada.

11-10-2006, 04:14 PM	#446
AlexB Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newbury, England	Did GWB really say... 'I thought we were doing OK, until yesterday.... Shows what I know'. Seriously? No, come on. Seriously? __________________ 'A song is a beautiful lie', Idlewild, Self Healer. When you're smiling, the whole world smiles with you. Sports!

11-10-2006, 09:19 PM	#447
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Personally, I like Bloomberg. I would vote for him. I've also a fan of Romney. With the Iowa governor annoucing he's running, looks like McCain is looking at making up his mind soon. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15658782/ When is the filing date for the race? With McCain, his age is a concern. With Bloomberg and McCain, will VP be key? Last edited by Galaxy : 11-10-2006 at 09:25 PM.

11-10-2006, 09:37 PM	#449
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	after the hatchet job Romney did to my home state, I wouldn't vote for him for dog catcher. (edit: I did actually vote for him twice as governor) All throughout his first term and the campaign for the 2nd term, he basically said "I don't agree with it.. but since the people of the state are for it, it'll be done" (it being gay marriage, stem cell research, etcetera), Then once he got the 2nd term as governor (after promising that if he was reelected, the state would come first), he realized he could go for the brass ring of running for president, and he basically became an absentee governor for most of his second term. He realized that he had to play to the far rights to have a chance, so he abandoned all his former statements about the "will of the people" and played to the press and the far right. There were some bills vetoed that he promised to sign in his first term, (thankfully, the bills had a veto-proof margin). So as someone who doesn't live up to his oaths either to the state or it's people (basically abandoning the state that elected him.. I wouldn't be so pissed if he had resigned, but continuing to reap the political rewards of the title of governor without doing diddly-squat at his real job), He's dead to me, politically, basically. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com Last edited by SirFozzie : 11-10-2006 at 09:37 PM.

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