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baby jesus knows....maybe a comma or semicolon to get your point across such as baby, jesus knows or baby jesus; knows Last edited by Clown2 : 10-14-2005 at 11:51 AM. |
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10-14-2005, 11:51 AM
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The boy who cried Trout
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: TX
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no, he's usually pretty witty, and less beligerant. |
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10-14-2005, 11:52 AM
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The boy who cried Trout
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: TX
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Oh, I know another quote by the baby jesus. "Be good while I'm gone, or I'll come back stronger and more powerful than you can possibly imagine." |
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10-14-2005, 12:01 PM
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Banned
Join Date: Oct 2005
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I dont know that verse...
Hey I'm knew here am I being mean... I thought this was the big boy board? ---sorry if i came across mean!~ |
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10-14-2005, 12:02 PM
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2001
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Do you by chance have any expertise in the area of kick ass video games?
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10-14-2005, 12:07 PM
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Banned
Join Date: Oct 2005
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Me and my brother used to play Abpa football year around.....you know the cards and the boards and the dice....oh gawd...This game is amazing compared to that ...lame game. Thanks for the chat...anyone else want to take a shot at the CLOWN! You guys are STILL funny! |
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10-14-2005, 12:09 PM
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The boy who cried Trout
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: TX
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No, but thanks for the compliment. |
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10-14-2005, 12:11 PM
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Banned
Join Date: Oct 2005
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sorry I ment to say Funny looking!
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10-14-2005, 12:25 PM
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The boy who cried Trout
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: TX
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Burn. |
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10-14-2005, 12:27 PM
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Banned
Join Date: Oct 2005
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sachmo what league are you in?
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10-14-2005, 12:42 PM
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The boy who cried Trout
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: TX
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strictly minor leagues. bush league, even. |
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10-14-2005, 12:53 PM
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Toledo - Spain
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Related questions as i just too knowledge about anybody being able to open the league as commish or as any other team.
- Does it mean that for example Kansas owner can open the league as Miami, release all the players, export and upload the file? That is an extreme example that would be easily noticeable, but there are tons of minors things that could be done that way to your oponents. - Also, if you open it as another team, can you see their gameplans for the past week? - Can i open as any other team and watch all the roster throught the eyes of their scouts instead of mine? I think the answer to all that questions is yes, and if so then we have a major problem that would make me reconsider if it worths to play in any online league, not only because GM's being able to cheat during contracts etc, but also because there is no point on having scouts or gameplanning thinking that nobody knows how do you play. I feel i have been playing blind until now. Last edited by Icy : 10-14-2005 at 01:01 PM. |
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10-14-2005, 01:12 PM
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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Yes, yes, yes. |
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10-14-2005, 01:16 PM
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Toledo - Spain
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Dola, i have been confirmed about all that what is really sad. I doubt that a lot of GM's have done any major cheat with contracts etc, but i'm pretty sure that some have opened the file as other teams to watch their gameplans. I wonder now why all the stupid secretism about sharing gameplaning knowledge if everybody can open your file and watch your gameplans.
Sad day for me as FOF multiplayer, the true really hurts and i feel i have been a stupid blind until today thinking everybody was trying to guess the rivals gameplans when the true is that everybody could just watch them. |
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10-14-2005, 01:22 PM
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Cary, NC
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Playing multiplayer online games with strangers will ALWAYS have this problem. Doesn't matter if it is a football text sim, an RTS, or an FPS. There are a bunch of people out there that will do ANYTHING to win, and there are a bunch of people out there whose idea of fun is wrecking the game for other people. If you don't want to deal with this, play with people you know and like. My office FOF league is going strong, and I doubt the IHOF will have issues like this. But if you're playing with random people you barely know, you'll deal with this in every game you play. Unfortunately the cheaters / team-killers have the upper hand. It is impossible to stop them messing with stuff, ESPECIALLY on the PC because they have access to the client code. Sure, there are steps Jim could take to help raise the bar a bit, but even passwords can be cracked because the cracker has access to the algorithm to decrypt them (it's in the .exe he is running). Heck, the Xbox is a "closed" system and it has been hacked to death. So your best bet is to play with people you know and trust.
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10-14-2005, 01:37 PM
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Toledo - Spain
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I see your point gstelmack, but we are playing through internet, everybody is a stranger. We can know all the nicks, even some real names and have friends made at fofc or other boards, but to say that you really know that ppl...
About being always ways to crack a game, yes that is true, but it's not the same to use a password cracker, or to have programming knowledge to guess the encript code from a .exe than to just being able to open the league game as any team with a few clicks. As i said before, i doubt lots of ppl is really cheating with contracts but to watch the other team gameplans or throught their scouts eyes? well that is a minor cheat and i bet a lot justify it as just doing advanced scouting. Today i have lost most of my interest on online leagues, it's like if suddenly you knew for sure that the game AI cheated you when playing solo, would you play that game ever again? Also, why haven't this ever documented/discussed so all us would know about it? or i missed that threads or again the stupid competitive ppl didn't talk about that to use in their own profit as it's done with a lot of knowledge about fof2k4. |
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10-14-2005, 01:38 PM
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College Prospect
Join Date: Apr 2003
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I wish my FOF league had an office.
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"All I know is that smart women are hot. Susan Polgar beat me in 24 moves in a simultaneous exhbition. I slept with the scoresheet under my pillow." Off some dude's web site. |
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10-14-2005, 01:48 PM
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Dearly Missed
(9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: DC Suburbs
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So should there be a "Blackballed list" posted in the FOFC MP directory including aliases and IP addresses of known offenders/cheaters?
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NAFL New Orleans Saints GM/Co-Commish MP Career Record: 114-85 NAFL Super Bowl XI Champs In memory of Gavin Anthony: 7/22/08-7/26/08 Last edited by gottimd : 10-14-2005 at 01:48 PM. |
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10-14-2005, 02:05 PM
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College Starter
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Edmond, OK
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It has been mentioned and discussed quite a few times that I remember. I think the reason it isn't more often is twofold. One, most of us are resolved to the fact that we have to have some blind trust in MP leagues. And two, there's no need to give people that would do this kind of thing any more ideas. As for gameplanning and stuff, if you tweak your gameplans at the last moment, it's essentially like real life. Real life teams know basically what their opponents are going to do, but there are always last minute adjustments and stuff. In NAFL, if you do your gameplanning off the interim file, no other team can see your "wrinkles" until after the game. I understand your frustration, but I think you may be going overboard on how extensive the damage really is in things like this. |
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10-14-2005, 02:12 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Theres another exploit that lets you renegotiate contracts that have already been signed. For example if you signed a player after the season starts, they only take one year deals, but the exploit lets you sign them to a multi-year contract.
Its quite easy to detect since the player will be listed as signing 2 contracts in the logs, but also quite easy to miss if you aren't looking for it. Just another thing to keep an eye out for. |
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10-14-2005, 02:15 PM
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Dearly Missed
(9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: DC Suburbs
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There is also a cheat that allows you to lose many games a year and not have a winning record yet in your MP league.
Oh wait, thats not a cheat, its just my pathetic game planning.
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NAFL New Orleans Saints GM/Co-Commish MP Career Record: 114-85 NAFL Super Bowl XI Champs In memory of Gavin Anthony: 7/22/08-7/26/08 |
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10-14-2005, 02:15 PM
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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Im guessing, just off hand, that you trade the guy to another team, and then back to your team, and then save in Commish mode, open in regular mode, and then sign him to a new contract? |
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10-14-2005, 02:16 PM
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2001
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Start punting on first down. That will throw them off.
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10-14-2005, 02:22 PM
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Dearly Missed
(9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: DC Suburbs
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That would be probably do just as well as my QB waiting til third down to throw his 5th INT of the game. Oh well, I crushed the Cowboys though.
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NAFL New Orleans Saints GM/Co-Commish MP Career Record: 114-85 NAFL Super Bowl XI Champs In memory of Gavin Anthony: 7/22/08-7/26/08 |
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10-14-2005, 02:31 PM
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n00b
Join Date: Oct 2005
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10-14-2005, 02:33 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2002
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I think he's still in the NFL front office league..otherwise everyone's given him the boot
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10-14-2005, 02:43 PM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego
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It just sucks that this type of attention is the most attention our league has ever had.
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I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4 |
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10-14-2005, 03:05 PM
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The boy who cried Trout
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: TX
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f'in elitists...there can be only one. |
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10-14-2005, 03:07 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2002
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Acutally, he left our league before this thing even went down. Good to see that he's gone from every league he was in. |
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10-14-2005, 03:17 PM
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College Prospect
Join Date: Apr 2003
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I think it is ridiculous how the media has hyped this issue up to epic proportions. It's now become this week's shark attacks. I don't think that a 5% chance of someone cheating 50 million FOF players in multiplayer is really that big of a deal
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"All I know is that smart women are hot. Susan Polgar beat me in 24 moves in a simultaneous exhbition. I slept with the scoresheet under my pillow." Off some dude's web site. |
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10-14-2005, 03:40 PM
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The boy who cried Trout
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: TX
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huh? |
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10-14-2005, 03:42 PM
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Banned
Join Date: Oct 2005
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Just another bush leaguer!
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10-14-2005, 04:02 PM
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Banned
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10-14-2005, 04:05 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: sans pants
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Hey wig!
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Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com |
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10-14-2005, 04:15 PM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Sunny South of France
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I'll second that. And just as an aside, this thread 's been a real eye opener. Call me naive or stupid, but I never even thought of opening a game as the commish or another team... Oh, and some great discussion about elevators in there somewhere too... 
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Detroit Vampires (CFL) : Ve 're coming for your blood! Camargue Flamingos (WOOF): pretty in Pink |
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10-14-2005, 04:50 PM
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Appleton, WI
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I agree...thats why I am still asking if anyone wants to join! We don't put with any shit! lol...
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10-14-2005, 04:50 PM
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Appleton, WI
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I am pretty surprised as to how much exposure my post got, I thought maybe this was something that had been seen before which is why I posted about it, because I was baffled. Really opened some eyes all over.
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10-14-2005, 04:57 PM
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The boy who cried Trout
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: TX
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you have eyes all over? eww. |
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10-14-2005, 05:46 PM
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Mascot
Join Date: Jan 2005
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fixed |
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10-15-2005, 03:05 AM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego
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haha. At least our commisioner hasn't run off on us.......oh wait, that already happened to us too. Nevermind.
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I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4 |
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10-15-2005, 05:47 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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Yeah, this thread and this situation have been a bit of a depressing eye opener (with regards to online league), as Triple-F said, as I have never considered this possibilty. And it kind of saddens me that someone would even consider doing it.
On the other hand, I honestly cannot say it's made any difference to me one way or the other. I don't know if it's arrogance, pride, naivete, stupidity or a combination of all but I don't feel like I have anything to worry about with regards to this with the CFL group of owners. And, based on what I know of them so far, as we go through more seasons together, we will be developing the same feeling for each other in the GEFL group. This is not meant as a knock on any other league or be boastful about the leagues I am participating in in any way, shape or form. I'm simply expressing my feeling for the people who are now feeling ambivalent about participating in an online league that, as you go through seasons and you get to "know" your fellow owners/GMs, you will (hopefully) develop similar feeling, vibe or trust in your fellow owners/GMs and be able to just enjoy the experience for what it is (getting my ass kicked yearly, oh JOY). The only person in the two leagues I know in person is SackAttack so it's not like I can claim to "know" any of these folks in person to be able to get a feel for who and how they are. But after posting with and reading posts by some of the other people on this board and being in a league with some of the people for a period of time, I feel like I can just enjoy myself in a league with them. And just not enjoy my team sucking purely for what it is (my suckness as an owner/GM). Sorry about the ramble as I'm damn sleepy. I just wanted to toss out my $0.02 toward the people who now seem gunshy about participating in an online league. To me, it's going to just be about getting to know folks you are playing with and just enjoying the experience. And, if you are not, then find a new one. PS - I think some of y'all are being a bit harsh on the McGuires/Clowns. But that's me. |
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10-15-2005, 06:34 AM
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Banned
Join Date: Jan 2005
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My answers would be No, Yes, Yes. I don't see how Exporting your teams stage file to your Commish would cause this problem on another team? Edit: Never mind your talkign about fake uploading. Last edited by WrongWay : 10-15-2005 at 06:35 AM. |
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10-15-2005, 09:36 AM
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College Starter
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Edmond, OK
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The answer is yes. However, most leagues have a system by which only one GM can upload or send his team's exports - whether it be a set e-mail address from which to send it or the way the NAFL has now, an upload page where a GM's forum log-in is used and he can only upload his team's extension number. Edit: Just saw your Edit.  Last edited by Cuckoo : 10-15-2005 at 09:36 AM. |
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11-02-2005, 08:52 AM
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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At least one good thing could possibly come out of Gmac-ing the rookie deals. With this exploit used with a league okay, you can now trade players that have been drafted without having to offer them a huge bonus first. You'd have to put a stipulation on the trade that the new team receiving the player offer him his full slotted contract amount, something to that degree. But it could at least have a benefit in that way.
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