So why exactly was MJ4H boxed? - Page 9

Ksyrup · 07-14-2009, 10:52 AM

My understanding is that Ben deleted the second thread, MJ4H posted his comment in the cooll images thread, and Ben boxed him, within a matter of a few minutes of each other. I'm not going to speak for Ben, but if MJ4H doesn't post his comment, he still gets boxed based on the rules of the forum.

Fidatelo · 07-14-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Yeah, I don't know. It hasn't really been made clear what happened. The "for" people have said it linked to his page. Either I have tinted glasses, or the "against" side hasn't really explained what the situation was.

This is my favorite post of the thread, given the context.

Chubby · 07-14-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Did you see the pics in that thread? They were way different than that ScarJo pic.

But all I'm trying to say is that someone who has been around as long as Matt has should have known better.

Yup, I saw them. How were they different? There was no nudity in any of them and and all featured well endowed women wearing clothes.

stevew · 07-14-2009, 10:53 AM

what the fuck is wrong with you people?

Chubby · 07-14-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

My understanding is that Ben deleted the second thread, MJ4H posted his comment in the cooll images thread, and Ben boxed him, within a matter of a few minutes of each other. I'm not going to speak for Ben, but if MJ4H doesn't post his comment, he still gets boxed based on the rules of the forum.

says who? besides, that's not what happened

JonInMiddleGA · 07-14-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I'm positive someone has posted a link to google before.

You realize that's a laughable reach, even for someone trying to defend the stupidity of a now former poster, right? And I say stupidity because the outcome of the sequence of events seems pretty predictable to me.

Again, aside from this specific point, is it really that difficult to grasp that we all have posting privileges here solely at the discretion of TPTB? I guess that's what boggles my mind, considering how often I've been in vehement disagreement with Ben on matters here and yet I've managed to not only grasp that reality but find ways to cope with it. And yet that seems to be so shocking to some folks here that being confronted with reality sparks some of them into a snit fit. Do we really have that many regulars who are that naive about how the 'net works?

JonInMiddleGA · 07-14-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

what the fuck is wrong with you people?

+1

Logan · 07-14-2009, 10:57 AM

How many lives is this thread on now? Three or four? I love it.

edit: That's a bicep, not a boob.

JeeberD · 07-14-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

Yup, I saw them. How were they different? There was no nudity in any of them and and all featured well endowed women wearing clothes.

Many of them were wearing far more revealing clothing than ScarJo is wearing in that pic.

Anywho, I'm not going to get into a debate with you, Chubby. I know there's no changing your mind when you think you're right about something...

spleen1015 · 07-14-2009, 10:59 AM

Skydog the dictator strikes again!

Please don't ban me. I need access to FOOL-X.

Thanks.

Passacaglia · 07-14-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

You realize that's a laughable reach, even for someone trying to defend the stupidity of a now former poster, right? And I say stupidity because the outcome of the sequence of events seems pretty predictable to me.

Again, aside from this specific point, is it really that difficult to grasp that we all have posting privileges here solely at the discretion of TPTB? I guess that's what boggles my mind, considering how often I've been in vehement disagreement with Ben on matters here and yet I've managed to not only grasp that reality but find ways to cope with it. And yet that seems to be so shocking to some folks here that being confronted with reality sparks some of them into a snit fit. Do we really have that many regulars who are that naive about how the 'net works?

Of course not. I don't think anyone is expecting something to happen as a result of this. We're just giving our opinions on it -- no different in my mind than all sorts of other threads all up in this forum questioning some coach or GM's decision. It gets more heated and personal since we "know" (or feel like we know) the people involved, but IMO it's essentially the same thing.

Ksyrup · 07-14-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Right, but you used that term to talk about the actions he made before he was boxed. I'll grant you that he flew off the handle after he was boxed, but you're using that to paint him as doing some crazy things which led to him being boxed. And again, I don't know the timeframe, but my guess is that since he didn't get a response, and didn't expect one, he figured he might as well just repost it himself, rather than wait around for Ben to do it, since that might be a while.

But yeah, not a matter of life and death -- I expect zero casualties.

Why shouldn't he have expected a response? There are a number of things he could have done before reposting the thread and referencing the pics in any way. Again, he could have recognized that he was only dealing with one mod, on a weekend, and had a little patience. Or, he could have tried reaching out to one of the other mods if he saw one or more around. Bottom line, he should have known better than to take the chance he took before he clarified what was acceptable. I'm sorry he got boxed and I hope he doesn't leave because I like him and enjoy his posts in the AI thread, but he brought this on himself.

In any event, to answer your original point, I'll grant that I shouldn't have used that phrase to describe what occurred prior to his boxing. I still don't think he acted appropriately, given the circumstances. And again, it's for that decision that the boxing happened.

molson · 07-14-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Again, aside from this specific point, is it really that difficult to grasp that we all have posting privileges here solely at the discretion of TPTB? I guess that's what boggles my mind, considering how often I've been in vehement disagreement with Ben on matters here and yet I've managed to not only grasp that reality but find ways to cope with it. And yet that seems to be so shocking to some folks here that being confronted with reality sparks some of them into a snit fit. Do we really have that many regulars who are that naive about how the 'net works?

You can say that about anything. There's posts on this board about Iran, North Korea, the NBA Draft, politics, wrestling etc. Nobody has the ability to change any of that, it is what it is, but people still voice opinions (including you). I don't know why forum moderation is one area that's just SO set in stone that any opinion on it is pointless to raise.

MikeVic · 07-14-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

what the fuck is wrong with you people?

I don't know, what the fuck is wrong with you.

Mustang · 07-14-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

what the fuck is wrong with you people?

I could use another inch on my penis and I'm balding, but other than that...

Passacaglia · 07-14-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Why shouldn't he have expected a response? There are a number of things he could have done before reposting the thread and referencing the pics in any way. Again, he could have recognized that he was only dealing with one mod, on a weekend, and had a little patience. Or, he could have tried reaching out to one of the other mods if he saw one or more around. Bottom line, he should have known better than to take the chance he took before he clarified what was acceptable. I'm sorry he got boxed and I hope he doesn't leave because I like him and enjoy his posts in the AI thread, but he brought this on himself.

In any event, to answer your original point, I'll grant that I shouldn't have used that phrase to describe what occurred prior to his boxing. I still don't think he acted appropriately, given the circumstances. And again, it's for that decision that the boxing happened.

I do think the phrasing is at the crux of the issue, though. AFAICT, the poker content is what was good about the thread, and MJ4H was just asking to have it reposted so that he wouldn't have to bother doing it himself, not for permission. Since no one was around to make it easier for him he did it himself.

Chubby · 07-14-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Many of them were wearing far more revealing clothing than ScarJo is wearing in that pic.

Anywho, I'm not going to get into a debate with you, Chubby. I know there's no changing your mind when you think you're right about something...

pot, kettle, black?

They were all booby pics

Passacaglia · 07-14-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

what the fuck is wrong with you people?

I died in Werewolf.

Ksyrup · 07-14-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I do think the phrasing is at the crux of the issue, though. AFAICT, the poker content is what was good about the thread, and MJ4H was just asking to have it reposted so that he wouldn't have to bother doing it himself, not for permission. Since no one was around to make it easier for him he did it himself.

I don't have a problem with that at all. I only saw his twitter account post once before it was deleted in this thread, but I'm fairly certain he posed a question back to Ben about what was acceptable to do with the pics and can't he just put the content back (or something to that affect), right? If all he had done was repost the content, I'm positive the thread wouldn't have been deleted and fairly certain he wouldn't have been boxed. And just to anticipate the comments, NO I CANNOT KNOW THAT FOR CERTAIN BECAUSE I DO NOT WEAR THE PATRIOTIC UNDERWEAR AROUND HERE.

kcchief19 · 07-14-2009, 11:13 AM

Here's all I've determined about this thread:

Acceptable:
Use of the word "cunty" and "penis"
Links to pictures of hot women and their breasts from "reputable" sites

Unacceptable:
Links to Twitter

Which do you think filters would have more of a problem with?

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 07-14-2009, 11:14 AM

Verbal links to twitter. Saying "there's stuff on my twitter".

Cringer · 07-14-2009, 11:15 AM

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Subby · 07-14-2009, 11:18 AM

Pretty sure MJ4H was boxed for posting the thread a second time with the link to twitter - not for any "snide remarks".

I guess I don't understand why he couldn't just cool his jets and wait for his PM to be answered the first time.

Passacaglia · 07-14-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Subby

Pretty sure MJ4H was boxed for posting the thread a second time with the link to twitter - not for any "snide remarks".

I guess I don't understand why he couldn't just cool his jets and wait for his PM to be answered the first time.

From what I hear, the reason he was boxed was for "repeated bitching about a mod decision" and he didn't actually post a link to twitter, he just said it was there.

larrymcg421 · 07-14-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

Hey uber mod-complainers, I bet GoDaddy can get you this, http://www.sportsdigs.com/ , for only $4.99 the first year.

If you don't like America, get the hell out!

JonInMiddleGA · 07-14-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

I don't know why forum moderation is one area that's just SO set in stone that any opinion on it is pointless to raise.

Because we actually have more standing to do something about those (vis a vis voting, etc & et al) than we do about the moderation of a privately owned forum.

Subby · 07-14-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

From what I hear, the reason he was boxed was for "repeated bitching about a mod decision" and he didn't actually post a link to twitter, he just said it was there.

Yeah I saw the "bitching" image, too. I guess unless someone posts those PMs we'll never know what the nature of the bitching was (did MJ4H devolve in to abject childishness or was he mature and respectful). I have a hard time believing it was just the remark in that thread that did the trick.

Glengoyne · 07-14-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

You post this like its some sort of valid criticism that wade's modding decisions are subjective. They're all subjective.

There are a general set of broadly defined rules (guidelines?) to cover the infinite possibilities of posts that the human mind can create. Because there are so few guidelines to cover such a multitude of situations, they must, by definition, be broadly interpreted. Interpretation is subjective. How do you expect the moderation under these conditions to be anything but subjective.

This thread has shown me both the wisdom and folly of Ben's policy of not discussing mod decisions. On the one hand, a clearly stated, definitive announcement of why someone was banned would probably satisfy most people's curiosity. On the other hand, it will give those few who vehemently disagree with whatever rationale is given more fodder. RendeR has clearly shown that engaging in diologue with those people has no chance of being productive.

Still, its not hard to figure out a few things about this place.

1) Pictures of women are not the point. You don't want to get suspended/banned, don't try to find the line of what's offensive. There's just never going to be a clearly defined line about what pictures or links to pictures are acceptable. If there is, you wouldn't like what it would almost have to be.
2) The most hard and fast rule here: accept the mod's decisions. Going around them will end badly for you, even if your method of doing so does not break any rules, and no matter how righteously indignant you are about the injustice of the mod decision.
3) This is not a democracy. Its a dictatorship (with an advisory board). You want to be happy here, accept this as well. There are things in life you cannot contol, or even influence. This is one of them.

You know. I think I should have just not posted my earlier five points. Samdari made much better sense.

There are positives and negatives to both full disclosure and no discussion. Reasonable people can reasonably hold either position.

While I'm more of a person who urges the mods to act with restraint (moderate with moderation), I can certainly respect others that have arrived at a different opinion. It's like I view most people with differing viewpoints. Their opinion sucks, but I can still respect them.

Subby · 07-14-2009, 11:57 AM

Ben E Lou · 07-14-2009, 12:02 PM

Discussion over. Further whining about this will result in punitive actions.

07-14-2009, 10:52 AM	#401
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	My understanding is that Ben deleted the second thread, MJ4H posted his comment in the cooll images thread, and Ben boxed him, within a matter of a few minutes of each other. I'm not going to speak for Ben, but if MJ4H doesn't post his comment, he still gets boxed based on the rules of the forum. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

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Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	How many lives is this thread on now? Three or four? I love it. edit: That's a bicep, not a boob. Last edited by Logan : 07-14-2009 at 10:58 AM.

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kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	Here's all I've determined about this thread: Acceptable: Use of the word "cunty" and "penis" Links to pictures of hot women and their breasts from "reputable" sites Unacceptable: Links to Twitter Which do you think filters would have more of a problem with?

07-14-2009, 11:18 AM	#423
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	Pretty sure MJ4H was boxed for posting the thread a second time with the link to twitter - not for any "snide remarks". I guess I don't understand why he couldn't just cool his jets and wait for his PM to be answered the first time. __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

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Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	ibtl __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

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