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Most of career leaders are first-rounders (as they should be) but there are late-rounders on the board now. The community can tweak it later, but this is a big improvement over 6.0. Beginning upload now. It will be at http://www.younglifenorthlake.com/ootp601c/ in an hour or so. Do yourselves all a favor and save bandwidth (and therefore my upload time) by not clicking on the link until around 3:15pm EDT or so. Heading out!
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EDIT: Of course, I think the balance as you describe is probably as good as I can ask for right now.
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I just told Markus that it *may* still be a little high-round heavy, but it is a lot better. OK, I *REALLY* need to leave now, but I'm gonna look around just a little more.
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OK...one more. This is *really* the last one. Just letting y'all know that the 1(1) guys still get some love....
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04-21-2004, 01:26 PM | #408 |
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Dola, one feature that would really be fun to have in the drafting/prospect arena is Volatility.
Some prospects are considered "raw" (high upside but a big unknown), some are considered more of a sure thing (moderate ability but you know what you're getting). I certainly wouldn't want it implemented half-assed, but I would like to have to consider drafting the guy with the lower upside but is a safe pick versus always drafting the guy with the most Brilliants (or whatever scale you're using).
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So tell us the "how" you mentioned earlier.
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04-21-2004, 01:28 PM | #410 |
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Damn, SkyDog really killed my dola
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I don't think he should give up the 'how'.
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Outta here. Here's the news:
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I think we definitely need to know the how on this one.
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04-21-2004, 02:08 PM | #414 |
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04-21-2004, 02:31 PM | #415 |
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W00T, patch is out. Download time.
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so, how does the homefield advantage work? Is it a jump in home teams ratings? decrease in away teams ratings? combination? And what are the exact numbers???
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It's great to see that Markus has changed drafting, BUT (and it's a big one)...
This means in no-scout mode, things will be EXACTLY the same. I think even in no-scout mode we should still see errors. I have NO interest in using coaches/scouts - so this change only helps me a little. I either have to play with coaches/scouts, which I hate, or not get the new drafting.
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04-21-2004, 02:44 PM | #419 |
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So...with this patch, is the game Ready To Purchase (tm)?
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I'm reading those two sentences to be isolated statements, which would mean that you need scouts on to see the new drafting methods.
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If everything in the patch works - the answer is a "yes", IMO.
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RPI - I think the comment about scouting being more difficult is only current players. What is making draft picks more varied is the change in the player development algorithm. Therefore there should still be the same variation with scouts off.
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DH Bug????
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I just installed the latest OOTP6 patch and now whenever I try to pinch hit for my DH it shows the pinch hitter in the line-up but the original DH still at the plate. It also shows the original DH during that at bat. On the following at bat it changes to the pinch hitter. |
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looking to download cbl v2. Anyone got a linky?
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I don't have a link, but I have a zip file with 'em, ardent. Grab me on AIM at Hadagal if you want 'em.
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1. "- Improved player development algorythms, making first round picks less predictable" This is going to be true whether or not scouting is turned on. 2. I *think* (and someone who knows more about the inner workings, please correct me) that when scouts are "off", it really means that everyone's scouting is set to "average"--meaning that all teams still see through a scout's eyes--but it is the *same* scout. Point being, if I am correct in this supposition, the scout error will still apply to leagues when scouts are turned off.
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04-21-2004, 09:19 PM | #428 |
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Scout/Coaches help please
help me understand thanks
if i have scout/coaches on......then the rating i see on my player is thru the scouts eye? what if i look at cpu teams players is the rating thru my scout or cpu scout? if i have scout/coach disable ..then what rating am i seeing on my player and on cpu teams player? who eye's? and if it diable whu do i see my minor league report? who eyes is that? is talent rating i see...thru scouts eyes too? thanks |
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K - thanks for all the responses guys - looks like everything is coming together nicely! Any insight on how the new dev works, SD? Thanks again, rpi-fan
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1. Coaches/scouts on, you see all players (yours and those on other team's) through your scout's eyes. 2. Coaches/scouts off, all teams see all players through the *SAME* scout's eyes (still with some potential for error.) I'm more confident about #1 than #2.
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This is how it was in OOTP3 - I know that for sure, but it may very well have changed since.
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Great patch.
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I was just getting ready to settle in and give this game a run-through since tomorrow is my day off. I sure hope this isn't true
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Shit ...
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He's exaggerating - A LOT. There are still issues, maybe even one or two small new ones from the patch, but by and large, the patch did a lot of good things. For one, it dumped most bugs, and also tweaked everything that needed tweaking. For the first time in seemingly... forever... Markus did a patch that patched things - instead of adding new "features" that don't work.
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Good to hear, well I'm about to give a try hopefully I don't see anything too stupid going on, I really want to have fun with this game.
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Actually, Im fairly certain you're wrong about 2- in that case, you're seeing real ratings. Then again, I could be wrong. |
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Waiving their second round picks? I don't see how a second round pick qualifies for waivers after only being in the game for a few months time.
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I'm not arguing how it may actually work in the game, but it does not make sense that an "average scout" could see all the real ratings. If that were so, what would be the point of having scouts that are better than that in the game? (I know you are talking about scouts turned off, but everything says that means you see it as an average scout would...not the best scout)... Last edited by Tekneek : 04-22-2004 at 04:51 AM. |
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More on scouts and the changes:
I let a desktop and a laptop run sims overnight with an MLB-structured league. I disabled the coach/scout system on the laptop, and still found some later-round draft picks on the leader board. The #3 guy in hits all-time was a 3rd-round pick, and the #4 guy in hits was a 8th-round pick. 9 of the top 10 HR leaders were 1st-rounders. Looking around the no-scout league, I am seeing more draft-round variety in the pitching leaderboards than hitting. Here's the most "fun" player card I've run across so far. A 5th-round draft choice starter-turned-closer:
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Gonna spend some time now looking at the desktop league (scouts/coaches enabled....ran through 2038)
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Ok. Here are the results of 35 years of an MLB-structured league. Here are where the leaders were drafted. (NOTE: This is with coaches/scouts enabled.)
CAREER HOME RUN LEADER BOARD 1. initial pool 2. initial pool 3. 1(4) 4. 1(1) 5. 1(3) 6. initial pool 7. initial pool 8. 1(3) 9. 1(3) 10. 1(27) 10. 1(7) 12. 1(4) 13. 1(2) 14. initial pool 15. 1(1) CAREER HITS LEADER BOARD 1. initial pool 2. 1(6) 3. 1(1) 4. initial pool 5. 1(7) 6. 1(14) 7. initial pool 8. initial pool 9. 1(3) 10. 1(2) 11. 1(7) 12. 4(120) 13. initial pool 14. 1(6) 15. 2(34) CAREER WINS LEADER BOARD 1. initial pool 2. 4(109) 3. 1(17) 4. initial pool 5. initial pool 6. 8(238) 7. 1(4) 8. 1(16) 9. 3(89) 10. 1(12) 11. initial pool 12. 1(15) 13. 1(9) 14. 3(74) 14. 2(35) CURRENT SEASON HOME RUN LEADER BOARDS L1 1. 1(8) 1. 1(10) 1. 1(23) 4. 3(73) 5. 1(6) 5. 1(26) 5. 1(1) L2 1. 1(1) 2. 1(2) 3. 1(2) 4. 1(2) 5. 1(11) CURRENT SEASON HITS LEADER BOARDS L1 1. 3(66) 2. 1(17) 3. 1(2) 3. 1(21) 5. 1(18) 5. 1(25) L2 1. 1(27) 2. 4(101) 3. 2(52) 3. 8(215) 5. 8(211) CURRENT SEASON WINS LEADER BOARDS L1 1. 3(61) 2. 1(9) 3. 4(118) 3. 2(38) 5. 3(62) 5. 1(8) 5. 9(270) 5. 6(174) L2 1.1(11) 2. 1(23) 3. 5(139) 3. 8(214) 5. 1(6) CURRENT SEASON’S ERA LEADER BOARDS L1 1. 1(9) 2. 1(8) 3. 2(38) 4. 1(17) 5. 3(61) L2 1. 1(6) 2. 8(214) 3. 1(9) 4. 1(23) 5. 1(1)
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From the looks of the wins and ERA leader board, I feel pretty good about pitching. The ERA leaders are primarily first-rounders, with some others in there, but some late-round guys are winning some ball games.
Hitting is interesting. Definitely it is *possible* for late-rounders to become good hitters, but it seems that it is very unlikely that they will become good *power* hitters. I wonder whether this is a development thing, or AI-valuing related. What I mean by the latter is that if the AI is drafting everyone with even low-medium power earlier on (and there's some evidence that is the case), then it makes sense that over the course of a career there's only so much that talent-increases can do for the late-round guys starting off with very low power talent.
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Looking around a little more at hitting, I'm thinking that it may be just a power-hitter issue. 5 of the top 10 batting averages in the current season were turned in by non first-rounders. The league's leading hitter batted .375 and was the 4(101) pick. He has batted .318 or better for 6 consecutive seasons, but has never hit >4 HR's in a season. Similiarly, a guy who hit .346, has 7 straight .300 seasons, and was the 3(66) pick has never hit more than 6 HR's.
Now, a case can be made that having guys that hit for power being more readily identified than guys that hit for average mirrors real life. I'd need to see a study to make a judgement on that one.
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Here's a good sign. This guy was the 1(2) pick:
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A 1(6)....
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