FOFC Draft: The Four Sport Challenge - Best Athletes in History - Page 9

Raiders Army · 01-21-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Don't think I've seen his name yet, so with the fourth pick in the seventh round, Team Taz selects

Elgin Baylor, basketball

Interesting pick. Do you believe in curses?

TazFTW · 01-21-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Interesting pick. Do you believe in curses?

For a fantasy draft? No.

Schmidty · 01-21-2006, 10:09 PM

Rogers Hornsby - Wildcard

Second highest BA in history (behind my guy Cobb) and is widely considered to be one of the greatest baseball players ever.

DaddyTorgo · 01-21-2006, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Rogers Hornsby - Wildcard

Second highest BA in history (behind my guy Cobb) and is widely considered to be one of the greatest baseball players ever.

balls. there goes another great player

kcchief19 · 01-22-2006, 02:50 PM

Can't believe he's still around:

Gale Sayers - football

Schmidty · 01-22-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

Can't believe he's still around:

Gale Sayers - football

Nice pick.

vex · 01-22-2006, 06:24 PM

7.8 - Red Grange - Football

kcchief19 · 01-22-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by vexroid

7.8 - Red Grange - Football

He's been on my board for a long time now. I didn't want to run the risk of ending up with too many old geezers. But he's clearly one of the most influential football players of all time. He is really the one who helped moved professional football into the limelight. Before Grange, this was a college football country and nobody cared about pro football.

Travis · 01-22-2006, 10:12 PM

7.9 - Bob Cousy - Basketball

vtbub · 01-22-2006, 10:16 PM

7.10 Walt Frazier- Basketball

Schmidty · 01-23-2006, 01:29 PM

New rule: If I do not have a list from you, and you do not make your pick within 5 hours of the previous pick, I will auto-pick from this list: http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/athletes.html

The 5 hour rule (should be 4 hours, but I'm nice) will be in effect from 10 A.M. EST until 9 P.M. EST. If you miss 2 pick in a row, you will be replaced.

This draft has been very disappointing, because of how slow it's gone. There's no reason for this, since I've asked on multiple occasions for people to send their picks in.

Detox has until 6 P.M. EST to make his pick.

Raiders Army · 01-23-2006, 01:42 PM

I'm good with that rule.

Edit--especially when I see Detox posting a new thread about 15 minutes ago and he didn't make his pick here.

Schmidty · 01-23-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I'm good with that rule.

Edit--especially when I see Detox posting a new thread about 15 minutes ago and he didn't make his pick here.

Wow. That's not cool. I'm shortening his time. He now has until 4 p.m. EST.

DaddyTorgo · 01-23-2006, 02:08 PM

i think there might be hesitation of people to send their lists to you schmidty. if we had an non-participating person who was watching over the lists that would have made more sense from the beginning. Perhaps someone like Jeeber who is here constantly anyways

Schmidty · 01-23-2006, 02:12 PM

Detox started a new post, hung around the board for awhile, and even though this thread was at the top, he left the board. I am pissed.

DeToxRoxDVHStyle selects:

7.11 Mark Spitz (via ESPN list)

I am actively trying to replace Detox.

Schmidty · 01-23-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i think there might be hesitation of people to send their lists to you schmidty. if we had an non-participating person who was watching over the lists that would have made more sense from the beginning. Perhaps someone like Jeeber who is here constantly anyways

People have been sending in their lists to non-participants. Not only that, but if very close to your pick, there's no reason you can't send a short list to someone 7-8 + picks away from you. This draft has been ridiculous.

DaddyTorgo · 01-23-2006, 02:16 PM

well that's certainly true. it has been kinda...dragging the fuck on. alright so i'm up for two hmm? give me a couple minutes, i have a few people in mind

Raiders Army · 01-23-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i think there might be hesitation of people to send their lists to you schmidty. if we had an non-participating person who was watching over the lists that would have made more sense from the beginning. Perhaps someone like Jeeber who is here constantly anyways

That is true. Although I sent my list to Schmidty on Saturday, I was a little hesitant. The purpose of the list is to keep the draft going although you won't be on the board for a certain length of time. Because I pick two guys at once, I have to send at least three names...otherwise, it would be pointless to send a list to someone since you would be waiting anyhow if my list didn't cover the two picks. I tried to get okiyb to do it, but he's in a much different timezone. So, I sent my picks to Schmidty. As it is, he knows who my next pick will be if he's available.

That being said, I think that Schmidty did right by me in the beginning of the game when I didn't understand that it was an all-time draft instead of a current draft, so I think that he's pretty scrupulous. The problem is that it puts him in a bad position as well. If he picks my #3 pick I sent him even though he would've done so already, it would look like I gave him the idea...and that's not really fair to him either.

Raiders Army · 01-23-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Detox started a new post, hung around the board for awhile, and even though this thread was at the top, he left the board. I am pissed.

DeToxRoxDVHStyle selects:

7.11 Mark Spitz (via ESPN list)

I am actively trying to replace Detox.

Oh, and since you've taken control of Detox's team, I would like to submit the following trade to you:

Ronnie Lott for Lawrence Taylor and Jaromir Jagr for Bobby Orr.

DaddyTorgo · 01-23-2006, 02:36 PM

7.12 Steve Young - Football

8.1 Dan Marino - Football

i can't believe these two guys lasted this long.

Raiders Army · 01-23-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

7.12 Steve Young - Football

8.1 Dan Marino - Football

i can't believe these two guys lasted this long.

Good picks. I might've gone with another guy over Dan in football, though...

DaddyTorgo · 01-23-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Good picks. I might've gone with another guy over Dan in football, though...

Peyton Manning again??

LOL

Personally I'm not a Marino fan (actually I am a hater) but it's difficult to argue that he was one of the best passers of all time...and that he did it for years and years without a running game and without any HOF-caliber receivers.

and Steve Young...well he stands on his own. He was just amazing.

MIJB#19 · 01-23-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Detox started a new post, hung around the board for awhile, and even though this thread was at the top, he left the board. I am pissed.

DeToxRoxDVHStyle selects:

7.11 Mark Spitz (via ESPN list)

I am actively trying to replace Detox.

You should have given him Martina Navratilova. That'll teach him!

Schmidty · 01-23-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

You should have given him Martina Navratilova. That'll teach him!

I came oh so close to doing just that.

Schmidty · 01-23-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Ronnie Lott for Lawrence Taylor and Jaromir Jagr for Bobby Orr.

Sounds good to me.

Karlifornia · 01-23-2006, 04:15 PM

Schmidty gave me the go ahead to replace Detox, who is apparently MIA.....

With RFUS's first fill-in selection, he takes:

Rickey Henderson-Baseball

Raiders Army · 01-23-2006, 05:09 PM

Nice first pick/welcome to the draft!

Seriously, though...wanna trade Ronnie Lott and Jaromir Jagr for LT and Bobby Orr?

Karlifornia · 01-23-2006, 05:44 PM

In a word: NO!

Maple Leafs · 01-23-2006, 06:35 PM

I have bub's pick.

8.3 Arnold Palmer, wildcard

Travis is up.

Sublime 2 · 01-23-2006, 06:37 PM

i like that pick

Buccaneer · 01-23-2006, 06:51 PM

So far, 10 of the 12 teams look really good, 2 of them suck.

oykib · 01-23-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RadioFriendlyUnitShifter

Schmidty gave me the go ahead to replace Detox, who is apparently MIA.....

With RFUS's first fill-in selection, he takes:

Rickey Henderson-Baseball

Schmidty, this'll make you happy:

Rickey was a great player. But this pick is a bit of a reach. I can think of five baseball players off-hand that were better than Rickey and are still on the board.

DaddyTorgo · 01-23-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by oykib

Schmidty, this'll make you happy:

Rickey was a great player. But this pick is a bit of a reach. I can think of five baseball players off-hand that were better than Rickey and are still on the board.

doesn't that depend on your criterion? i don't think ricky is the best of the best, but then again how do you measure who is a "better" baseball player?? Who's to say if HR's are more important that OBP in the context of "best athlete"

not to be snitty oykib, but the tone of your posts really gets to me. different people have different opinions, yours isn't the only one out there

Schmidty · 01-23-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

doesn't that depend on your criterion? i don't think ricky is the best of the best, but then again how do you measure who is a "better" baseball player?? Who's to say if HR's are more important that OBP in the context of "best athlete"

not to be snitty oykib, but the tone of your posts really gets to me. different people have different opinions, yours isn't the only one out there

Ditto all that.

oykib · 01-23-2006, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

doesn't that depend on your criterion? i don't think ricky is the best of the best, but then again how do you measure who is a "better" baseball player?? Who's to say if HR's are more important that OBP in the context of "best athlete"

not to be snitty oykib, but the tone of your posts really gets to me. different people have different opinions, yours isn't the only one out there

I think based on just about any top 100 list. Rickey's a great player and, had he been taken in a few rounds, a great pick. But since we can't post undrafted guys, I can't really make my point.

As a sidebar, Rickey was my favorite player growing up. I'm a Yankee fan and I remember literally doing flips when the trade with Oakland came through. He turned out to be better than I even expected at the time.

It's tough thing to say about the all-time Runs and steals leader, just like it was tough to say about the all-time hits leader, Rose. But it doesn't change the fact that both statements are true.

And, by the way, who said anything about homers?

DaddyTorgo · 01-23-2006, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by oykib

I think based on just about any top 100 list. Rickey's a great player and, had he been taken in a few rounds, a great pick. But since we can't post undrafted guys, I can't really make my point.

As a sidebar, Rickey was my favorite player growing up. I'm a Yankee fan and I remember literally doing flips when the trade with Oakland came through. He turned out to be better than I even expected at the time.

It's tough thing to say about the all-time Runs and steals leader, just like it was tough to say about the all-time hits leader, Rose. But it doesn't change the fact that both statements are true.

And, by the way, who said anything about homers?

oh i was just picking a statistic at random (re: homers). And that's fine...like I said I wouldn't have taken Ricky there either, unless I was going to go all in with the "you can't win without scoring runs" argument. but honestly, on my list of baseball players, he's not even on there.

I was just saying, you come off sounding a little...abrupt, condescending.

oykib · 01-23-2006, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

oh i was just picking a statistic at random (re: homers). And that's fine...like I said I wouldn't have taken Ricky there either, unless I was going to go all in with the "you can't win without scoring runs" argument. but honestly, on my list of baseball players, he's not even on there.

I was just saying, you come off sounding a little...abrupt, condescending.

That might be true. But it's a sports argument. When a guy flubs a pick, you've gotta give him the business.

It's like Cal Ripken going at the beginning of the fourth round and Honus Wagner going at the end of the sixth.

But it goes both ways. I've got nothing but prasie for General Mike. He's had both excellent picks and excellent draft strategy. I doubt I'd have done as well to this point.

Karlifornia · 01-23-2006, 09:36 PM

Oh so those statements are true, Oykib? Uh, no.. Those statements are your opinions. There is nothing factual about them.

Ok, let me run down Rickey's line for you, and I'll defend my selection of him:

-All-time leader in Stolen Bases with 1,406..second place Lou Brock has 938.

-All-time leader in runs scored with 2,295...ahead of Ty Cobb who has 2,246.

-Second all-time in walks with 2,190..ahead of Babe Ruth and Ted Williams..only Barry Bonds has more....

-Led the league in steals TWELVE times. The first time being in 1981, and the last time being 1999. That's SEVENTEEN YEARS. Most players aren't even in the league more than 10 years.

-10 time All-Star

-1981 Gold Glove Winner

-1990 AL MVP..doesn't happen much for leadoff hitters

-Over 3,000 hits

-297 Homers

I don't know how many players can say they played at such a high level for such a long time. He had speed and base-stealing ability that nobody else has ever had, but he wasn't just a track star. He had bona-fide All-Star talent. I don't think he's a reach at all.

Schmidty · 01-23-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by oykib

That might be true. But it's a sports argument. When a guy flubs a pick, you've gotta give him the business.

that's totally cool, but "flubbing" is more often than not, a personal opinion. No offense, but you make your opinions sound like they were written in stone next to the Ten Commandments.

oykib · 01-23-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RadioFriendlyUnitShifter

Oh so those statements are true, Oykib? Uh, no.. Those statements are your opinions. There is nothing factual about them.

Ok, let me run down Rickey's line for you, and I'll defend my selection of him:

-All-time leader in Stolen Bases with 1,406..second place Lou Brock has 938.

-All-time leader in runs scored with 2,295...ahead of Ty Cobb who has 2,246.

-Second all-time in walks with 2,190..ahead of Babe Ruth and Ted Williams..only Barry Bonds has more....

-Led the league in steals TWELVE times. The first time being in 1981, and the last time being 1999. That's SEVENTEEN YEARS. Most players aren't even in the league more than 10 years.

-10 time All-Star

-1981 Gold Glove Winner

-1990 AL MVP..doesn't happen much for leadoff hitters

-Over 3,000 hits

-297 Homers

I don't know how many players can say they played at such a high level for such a long time. He had speed and base-stealing ability that nobody else has ever had, but he wasn't just a track star. He had bona-fide All-Star talent. I don't think he's a reach at all.

I already stated that he was the all-time steals and Runs leader.

His career OBP is .401 against a league average of .327. That's amazing. But his SLG is .419 against a league average of .401. His OPS+ is 127.

Jim Rice's OPS+ is 128. OPS+ is adjusted for park. He was twice the ballplayer Jim Rice was. The extra bases Rickey picked up stealing aren't included in that number. But the number does put things in perspective.

Joe D's OPS+ was 155. He played in the era before gold gloves. But would have likely won ten as a CF rather than playing pretty good defense in a corner for most of his career.

When Joltin' Joe was picked, admittedly early, people said it was a mistake, too.

That's not mentioning players that haven't been picked yet that are better than Joe D.

DaddyTorgo · 01-23-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

that's totally cool, but "flubbing" is more often than not, a personal opinion. No offense, but you make your opinions sound like they were written in stone next to the Ten Commandments.

that about says it

Travis · 01-23-2006, 11:16 PM

8.4 - Walter Johnson - Baseball

2.17 career ERA
417 wins
110 shutouts
531 complete games in 666 starts
7 consecutive 25+ win seasons
20+ game winner 12 times in 21 seasons
Initial inductee into the Baseball HOF with Ruth, Cobb, Wagner and Mathewson

ISiddiqui · 01-23-2006, 11:19 PM

Btw, for what its worth, I think Travis' pick was FAR better than RFUS's pick. That's one of the players I'd have easily picked over Henderson. Yeah, I guess I agree with oykib on Rickey.

Travis · 01-23-2006, 11:20 PM

Just wanted to mention there is a typo in the team lists on the first page. Walt Frazier is listed on my team when he was the next pick as I selected Cousy.

Schmidty · 01-23-2006, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis

Just wanted to mention there is a typo in the team lists on the first page. Walt Frazier is listed on my team when he was the next pick as I selected Cousy.

I know. I've been so frazzled, I've been lazy. It'l be fixed when I wake up tommorrow morning.

vex · 01-24-2006, 12:12 AM

8.5 - Brooks Robinson - Baseball

16 gold gloves.

oykib · 01-24-2006, 06:49 AM

I love the Walter Johnson pick. He was the first guy I was thinking about when I was talking about five guys clearly better than Rickey.

Brooks Robinson I'm not so in love with.

ISiddiqui · 01-24-2006, 08:09 AM

Robinson is definetly a defense-first pick, but its hard to evaluate defense, really. How much did that defense help? Does it make up for his 104 career OPS+? Its a difficult question IMO.

oykib · 01-24-2006, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Robinson is definetly a defense-first pick, but its hard to evaluate defense, really. How much did that defense help? Does it make up for his 104 career OPS+? Its a difficult question IMO.

It's not too difficult IMO. I don't think it makes up for it. I think he's rightly in the HOF. But being selected in this group means that he's one of the 24 or so best players in baseball history.

I don't want to give away any hints. But in a round or two, I think someone's going to make a pick that gives us a Ripken/Wagner situation with Robinson.

General Mike · 01-24-2006, 09:48 AM

Walter Johnson is a great pick. I was hoping he would slip a little bit further, so I could grab him here. Oh well.

01-21-2006, 10:09 PM	#403
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Rogers Hornsby - Wildcard Second highest BA in history (behind my guy Cobb) and is widely considered to be one of the greatest baseball players ever. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

01-22-2006, 10:16 PM	#410
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	7.10 Walt Frazier- Basketball __________________

01-23-2006, 01:29 PM	#411
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	New rule: If I do not have a list from you, and you do not make your pick within 5 hours of the previous pick, I will auto-pick from this list: http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/athletes.html The 5 hour rule (should be 4 hours, but I'm nice) will be in effect from 10 A.M. EST until 9 P.M. EST. If you miss 2 pick in a row, you will be replaced. This draft has been very disappointing, because of how slow it's gone. There's no reason for this, since I've asked on multiple occasions for people to send their picks in. Detox has until 6 P.M. EST to make his pick. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

01-23-2006, 01:42 PM	#412
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I'm good with that rule. Edit--especially when I see Detox posting a new thread about 15 minutes ago and he didn't make his pick here. Last edited by Raiders Army : 01-23-2006 at 01:46 PM.

01-23-2006, 02:12 PM	#415
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Detox started a new post, hung around the board for awhile, and even though this thread was at the top, he left the board. I am pissed. DeToxRoxDVHStyle selects: 7.11 Mark Spitz (via ESPN list) I am actively trying to replace Detox. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

01-22-2006, 02:50 PM	#405
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	Can't believe he's still around: Gale Sayers - football

01-22-2006, 06:24 PM	#407
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	7.8 - Red Grange - Football

01-22-2006, 10:12 PM	#409
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	7.9 - Bob Cousy - Basketball

01-23-2006, 02:08 PM	#414
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i think there might be hesitation of people to send their lists to you schmidty. if we had an non-participating person who was watching over the lists that would have made more sense from the beginning. Perhaps someone like Jeeber who is here constantly anyways

01-23-2006, 02:16 PM	#417
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	well that's certainly true. it has been kinda...dragging the fuck on. alright so i'm up for two hmm? give me a couple minutes, i have a few people in mind

01-23-2006, 02:36 PM	#420
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	7.12 Steve Young - Football 8.1 Dan Marino - Football i can't believe these two guys lasted this long.

01-23-2006, 04:15 PM	#426
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Schmidty gave me the go ahead to replace Detox, who is apparently MIA..... With RFUS's first fill-in selection, he takes: Rickey Henderson-Baseball __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

01-23-2006, 05:09 PM	#427
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Nice first pick/welcome to the draft! Seriously, though...wanna trade Ronnie Lott and Jaromir Jagr for LT and Bobby Orr?

01-23-2006, 05:44 PM	#428
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	In a word: NO! __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

01-23-2006, 06:35 PM	#429
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	I have bub's pick. 8.3 Arnold Palmer, wildcard Travis is up. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

01-23-2006, 06:37 PM	#430
Sublime 2 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New Hampshire	i like that pick

01-23-2006, 06:51 PM	#431
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	So far, 10 of the 12 teams look really good, 2 of them suck.

01-23-2006, 09:36 PM	#438
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Oh so those statements are true, Oykib? Uh, no.. Those statements are your opinions. There is nothing factual about them. Ok, let me run down Rickey's line for you, and I'll defend my selection of him: -All-time leader in Stolen Bases with 1,406..second place Lou Brock has 938. -All-time leader in runs scored with 2,295...ahead of Ty Cobb who has 2,246. -Second all-time in walks with 2,190..ahead of Babe Ruth and Ted Williams..only Barry Bonds has more.... -Led the league in steals TWELVE times. The first time being in 1981, and the last time being 1999. That's SEVENTEEN YEARS. Most players aren't even in the league more than 10 years. -10 time All-Star -1981 Gold Glove Winner -1990 AL MVP..doesn't happen much for leadoff hitters -Over 3,000 hits -297 Homers I don't know how many players can say they played at such a high level for such a long time. He had speed and base-stealing ability that nobody else has ever had, but he wasn't just a track star. He had bona-fide All-Star talent. I don't think he's a reach at all. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com Last edited by Karlifornia : 01-23-2006 at 09:37 PM.

01-23-2006, 11:16 PM	#442
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	8.4 - Walter Johnson - Baseball 2.17 career ERA 417 wins 110 shutouts 531 complete games in 666 starts 7 consecutive 25+ win seasons 20+ game winner 12 times in 21 seasons Initial inductee into the Baseball HOF with Ruth, Cobb, Wagner and Mathewson

01-23-2006, 11:19 PM	#443
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Btw, for what its worth, I think Travis' pick was FAR better than RFUS's pick. That's one of the players I'd have easily picked over Henderson. Yeah, I guess I agree with oykib on Rickey. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

01-23-2006, 11:20 PM	#444
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Just wanted to mention there is a typo in the team lists on the first page. Walt Frazier is listed on my team when he was the next pick as I selected Cousy.

01-24-2006, 12:12 AM	#446
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	8.5 - Brooks Robinson - Baseball 16 gold gloves.

01-24-2006, 06:49 AM	#447
oykib College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	I love the Walter Johnson pick. He was the first guy I was thinking about when I was talking about five guys clearly better than Rickey. Brooks Robinson I'm not so in love with.

01-24-2006, 08:09 AM	#448
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Robinson is definetly a defense-first pick, but its hard to evaluate defense, really. How much did that defense help? Does it make up for his 104 career OPS+? Its a difficult question IMO. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

01-24-2006, 09:48 AM	#450
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	Walter Johnson is a great pick. I was hoping he would slip a little bit further, so I could grab him here. Oh well.

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