10-03-2007, 10:16 PM | #401 |
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the 5 bowl streak 2000 Loss in the insight.com bowl 2001 Win in the Tangerine Bowl 2002 Win in the insight.com bowl 2003 Loss in the tire bowl 2004 Loss in the fiesta bowl Do I need to expand? |
10-03-2007, 10:21 PM | #402 |
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Are you serious?
Even in a 12-game season, 9 wins will get you into the BCS conversation.
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10-03-2007, 10:23 PM | #403 |
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9 wins is a "good" season, not a major accomplishment.
you conference champ SHOULD have 9 wins every year.... |
10-03-2007, 10:24 PM | #404 |
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Guys, its week 6. At least post in the right thread.
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10-03-2007, 10:25 PM | #405 | |
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Considering you compared Pitt to Duke and Vanderbilt, I think you've already made your point. What were the bowl games that Vandy and Duke went to those years? |
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10-03-2007, 10:36 PM | #406 | |
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I think the SEC and Pac 10 are clearly more top heavy. The ACC, the past two seasons, doesn't belong in the same conversation with the power conferences (SEC, B10, and Pac10, IMO). Down the road, Miami and/or FSU will reassert themselves as national powers again (something the Big East doesn't have and will likely never have)and I think, at this particular time, the ACC is really lacking in proven, quality quarterbacks (Matt Ryan, aside), but right now the two conferences are pretty comprable, with the difference being that the ACC has 12 teams that all have much better name recognition and the Big East has only 8 teams, with only four of them having much historical success/recognition (and two of them are Pitt and 'Cuse--our two worst teams). The way I see it, both the ACC and the Big East have about a quarter of their teams that are terrible (ACC: NC State, UNC, Duke; BE: Pitt, Syracuse), no real top-notch powers, and the rest of the conference teams somewhere between the 10th and 60th best teams in the nation. The Big East's teams don't get a lot of respect, because half of them have won less than five bowl games in their existence, but right now teams like Cincy, WVU, USF, Louisville, and Rutgers are on par with what the best the ACC has to offer. You (and many others) look at WVU losing to USF or Rutgers (last year) losing to Cincy and see it as the BE being weak up top, rather than considering that the conference is establishing some depth Whereas, in the ACC, if Maryland (last season) beats Clemson, or Virginia beats Georgia Tech, or Wake Forest wins the conference, it is because the conference has so many good teams and is so competitive. I don't have a problem with that perception, because teams like Rutgers, USF, and UConn each have very limitied or very poor histories (each school only has one bowl win in its entire existence!), but at some point folks will need to look at the actual OOC success (even if it isn't overwhelming, the BE has had pretty good OOC records the past two seasons) and bowl success, rather than the names on the jerseys, and consider the BE has some reasonable depth beyond the top teams and that it is on par with some of the other BCS conferences. |
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10-03-2007, 11:27 PM | #407 |
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I kind of have a hard time taking anyone seriously who claims that "historically" Syracuse and Pitt were squads that you could take your B and C games to. As pointed out, it seems someone missed the 90s and early 00's.
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10-04-2007, 01:19 AM | #408 |
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Id rate the conferences thusly at this moment in time, and feel free to disagree:
Pac 10/SEC Big 12 ACC/Big East Big 10 Mountain West Conference USA/MAC/WAC Independents Sun Belt
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10-04-2007, 07:31 PM | #409 | |
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I agree with most of what you said here. And honestly the ACC is VERY DOWN the last 2 years, in fact I have cringed every time I have referenced them in these threads. I take most exception to the notion that "the top of the BE could play with the top of the SEc/PAC-10" Frankly, no they can not. And neither could the top of the ACC the last couple years. This year I think SEC PAC 10 Big 12 Big Ten (and this pains me, but until OSU and Wisconsin lose....) ACC Big East |
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