OT: The FOFC Television Draft - Draft Thread

[Abe Sargent]

I decide to go with a favorite here, but I have objective reasons for it, so let me explain:


10.4 Show, Drama - Babylon 5


Besides "I really, really love it,"here are some reasons why I think it belongs:

1). Several major authorities in the field of science fiction have siad that there are three seminal scifi shows - The Twilight Zone, Star Trek (The original), and Bab 5.

2). Bab 5 was concieved as a five year show with a beginning, middle and end. The entire plot was written before the first scene was shot. Not only was this ver yunusual, but nobody thought it could be done.

3). Season 3 was the first, and so far only time, that one writer has wrriten every episode in an entire, full-length series in America television. Not only was this an amazing feat in and of itself, but it also gave a highly complex show a unity of vision.

4). Babylon 5 was the first TV show not named Star Trek to receive a Hugo award for best visual scifi (An award which includes TV and movie).

5). The serial nature of the plot in Bab 5 was the first time it had been done in American television outside of the soap opera genre. Babylon 5's success, despite being a cable and alternate network fixture, has led to other concept shows.

6). In fact, both 24 and Lost (taken earlier), both have creative input that says that they derived a great deal of inspiration from Bab 5 for their show. (Lost would take it a step farther and cast two ex Bab 5 actors in roles for the show).


I figure that's good enough to warrant a 10th round pick, despite that fact that its damn good television.

-Anxiety

[Crapshoot]

you know, I've never seen Babylon 5 - always skipped over it on TV, assuming it was a cheesy Star Trek rip off. I'll give it a shot.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

you know, I've never seen Babylon 5 - always skipped over it on TV, assuming it was a cheesy Star Trek rip off. I'll give it a shot.

There are two shows in my DVD collection that are on virtually constant loan to people, and they always love them. Bab 5, and another show which is brillant but I won't mention it because it hasn't been chosen. I don't think it will be, because it hasn't gotten enough exposure here in the states, but you never know...


-Anxiety

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

There are two shows in my DVD collection that are on virtually constant loan to people, and they always love them. Bab 5, and another show which is brillant but I won't mention it because it hasn't been chosen. I don't think it will be, because it hasn't gotten enough exposure here in the states, but you never know...


-Anxiety

I've never seen it either, since I assumed the same things about it as Crapshoot did. Is it still on TV in re-runs? If so, I'll have to Tivo it.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I've never seen it either, since I assumed the same things about it as Crapshoot did. Is it still on TV in re-runs? If so, I'll have to Tivo it.

If it is, then it's on scifi.

-Anixety

[kcchief19]

My final eclectic pick:

Show-Performer: John C. McGinley (Scrubs)

Zach Braff's the heart, but McGinley is the fire-breathing scene stealer. The man is just a comic genius. The best supporting actor on television right now in my book.

[oykib]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

you know, I've never seen Babylon 5 - always skipped over it on TV, assuming it was a cheesy Star Trek rip off. I'll give it a shot.

It's kind of funny. The truth is more likely that DS9 was a rip-off of B5. The Apocryphal story is that Straczynski went to Paramount with his B5 idea first. But they never got back to him. And then DS9 was announced. There was a strong implication that htey took some off his concepts and "Star Trekked" them up enough that they could get away with stealing them.

Most of the B% fan sites have the story in more detail.

[Crapshoot]

You've sold me - I'll look for it on Sci Fi.

[Sublime 2]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

My final eclectic pick:

Show-Performer: John C. McGinley (Scrubs)

Zach Braff's the heart, but McGinley is the fire-breathing scene stealer. The man is just a comic genius. The best supporting actor on television right now in my book.

Def. agree with everything you said! I love Mcginley on this show and look forward to seeing him more than any of the other characters.

[Schmidty]

Since I can't edit ML's first page list, I'll just copy it here:

Team #1 - WSUCougar
1.1 Show, drama - MASH
2.10 Show, other - Star Trek
3.1 Moment, comedy - "As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." (WKRP)
4.10 Actor, comedy - Kelsey Grammer (Frasier)
5.1 Show, drama - The Sopranos
6.10 Performer, drama - James Garner (Rockford Files)
7.1 Moment, drama - Final episode when it's revealed that the show was all an autistic boy's imagination (St. Elsewhere)
8.10 Show, other - Ken Burns' Civil War
9.1 Moment, comedy - John Cleese trying not to mention the war in front of the German guests at the hotel (Fawlty Towers)
10.10 Performer, other - Vanna White (Wheel of Fortune)

Team #2 - Radii
1.2 Moment, drama - Who Shot JR? (Dallas)
2.9 Performer, comedy - Bill Cosby (The Cosby Show)
3.2 Moment, other - Ali vs. Foreman, the Rumble in the Jungle (ABC's Wide World of Sports)
4.9 Show, comedy - South Park
5.2 Show, drama - Hill Street Blues
6.9 Performer, comedy - Billy Crystal (Soap)
7.2 Show, other - The Price is Right
8.9 Show, other - Sesame Street
9.2 Other, moment - Geraldo's nose is broken during a brawl between guests on his show (Geraldo)
10.9 Performer, drama - Hugh Laurie (House)

Team #3 - Crapshoot
1.6 Show, comedy - Cheers*
2.5 Performer, comedy - Henry Winkler (Happy Days)
2.8 Moment, comedy - Dick wakes up next to Emily Hartley (Newhart)*
4.5 Show, drama - The Wonder Years*
5.3 Performer, other - Walter Cronkite (CBS Evening News)
6.8 Show, comedy - Friends
7.3 Perfomer, other - Michael J.Fox as Alex Keaton (Family Ties)
8.8 Moment, drama - The death of Claire Kincaid (Law and Order)
9.3 Moment, other - Futarama - the one with Fry's dog (Futurama)
10.8 Show, drama - Remington Steele

Team #4 - JonInMiddleGA
1.9 Show, drama - Gunsmoke*
2.2 Show, other - Hockey Night in Canada*
3.4 Performer, comedy - Dick Van Dyke (The Dick Van Dyke Show)
4.7 Moment, comedy - The brownie episode (Barney Miller)
5.4 Show, drama - Playhouse 90
6.7 Moment, drama - Final episode "Fall Out" as Number 6 finally meets Number 1 ... and discovers that the enemy is us. (The Prisoner)
7.4 Moment, other - Racer X identity revealed (Speed Racer)
8.7 Performer, other - Walt Disney (Wonderful World of Disney)
9.4 Performer, comedy - Robin Williams (Mork & Mindy)
10.7 Show, other - Wild Kingdom

Team #5 - ThunderingHERD
1.5 Performer, other - Johnny Carson (The Tonight Show)
2.6 Moment, other - Edward R. Murrow vs Joseph McCarthy (See It Now)
3.5 Show, drama - The Twilight Zone
4.6 Moment, comedy - Ellen comes out (Ellen)
5.5 Performer, comedy - Andy Griffith (The Andy Griffith Show)
6.6 Moment, drama - Sam leaps in to Lee Harvey Oswald (Quantum Leap)
7.5 Show, other - Meet the Press
8.6 Performer, drama - Peter Falk (Columbo)
9.5 Show, Comedy - The Office
10.6 Moment, comedy - The Simpsons debuts (The Tracy Ullman Show)

Team #6 - kcchief19
1.3 Moment, comedy - The Outing (Seinfeld)*
3.3 Moment, comedy - Chuckles the Clown Dies (The Mary Tyler Moore Show)*
3.6 Performer, other - David Letterman (Late Night)
4.8 Show, drama - Perry Mason
5.6 Moment, drama - Love's Labor Lost episode (ER)
6.5 Performer, other - Carol Burnett (The Carol Burnett Show)
7.6 Show, drama - NYPD Blue
8.5 Other, show - Nightline
9.6 Moment, other - Jim Valvano's "Don't Ever Give Up" Speech (ESPY Awards)
10.5 Performer, comedy - John C. McGinley (Scrubs)

Team #7 - Maple Leafs / Anxiety
1.7 Performer, comedy - Lucille Ball (I Love Lucy)
2.4 Moment, other - Howard Cossell announces the death of John Lennon (Monday Night Football)
3.7 Moment, drama - Richard Kimble catches the one-armed man (The Fugitive)
4.4 Show, drama - Roots
5.7 Show, comedy - Monty Python's Flying Circus
6.4 Performer, drama - Keifer Sutherland (24)
7.7 Performer, other - Fred Rogers (Mr. Rogers Neighborhood)
8.4 Show, Other - The Oprah Winfrey Show
9.7 Moment, comedy - When a child molester tries to sexually molest Arnold and friend (Diff'rent Strokes)
10.4 Show, drama - Babylon 5

Team #8 - Schmidty
1.8 Show, comedy - All in the Family
2.3 Performer, comedy - Jackie Geason (The Honeymooners)
3.8 Performer, drama - Patrick Stewart (Star Trek: The Next Generation)
4.3 Show, other - 60 Minutes
5.8 Show, drama - The X-Files
6.3 Moment, other - Kermit sings "It's Not Easy Being Green" for the first time (The Muppet Show)
7.8 Moment, other - Bill Clinton plays the saxophone on The Arsenio Hall Show (The Arsenio Hall Show)
8.3 Moment, comedy - "Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?" (Chappelle's Show)
9.8 Performer, drama - Michael Landon (Little House on the Prairie)
10.3 Performer, comedy - Sherman Hemsley (The Jeffersons)

Team #9 - Raven
1.4 Moment, other - The Beatles make their first televised appearance in America (The Ed Sullivan Show)*
2.7 Show, other - Sportscenter*
3.9 Moment, other - Johnny Fairplay lies about the death of his grandmother (Survivor)
4.2 Performer, other - Kurt Cobain (MTV's Unplugged)
5.9 Performer, comedy - Redd Foxx (Sanford and Son)
6.2 Moment, comedy - Moment, Comedy - Al 's dream sequence reliving his 4 TD game from Polk High (Married... with Children)
7.9 Show, drama - Nip/Tuck
8.2 Moment, drama - When we found out Locke was in a wheelchair before the plane crash (Lost)
9.9 Show, drama - Stephen King's IT
10.2 Performer, comedy - Jim Carey (In Living Color)



Team #10 - sachmo71
1.10 Show, comedy - The Simpsons
2.1 Show, comedy - Saturday Night Live
3.10 Show, drama - CSI
4.1 Moment, other - Ken Jennings loses in his bid to win his 75th game (Jeopardy!)
5.10. Performer, comedy - Jack Klugman (The Odd Couple)
6.1. Moment, other - "That would be in the ass, Bob." (The Newlywed Game)
7.10 Moment, Drama, Laura Palmer's killer revealed (Twin Peaks)
8.1 Performer, Other, Judge Wapner (People's Court)
9.10 Performer, drama - Nathan Fillion (Firefly)
10.1 Show, comedy - Arrested Development

*via trade

Shows that have been taken:
24
60 Minutes
ABC's Wide World of Sports
All in the Family
The Andy Griffith Show
The Arsenio Hall Show
Arrested Development
Babylon 5
Barnie Miller
CBS Evening News
The Carol Burnett Show
Cheers
Chappelle's Show
Columbo
The Cosby Show
CSI
Dallas
The Dick Van Dyke Show
Diff'rent Strokes
The Ed Sullivan Show
Ellen
ER
ESPY Awards
Family Ties
Fawlty Towers
Firefly
Frasier
Friends
The Fugitive
Futurama
Geraldo
Gunsmoke
Happy Days
Hill Street Blues
Hockey Night in Canada
The Honeymooners
I Love Lucy
In Living Color
It
The Jeffersons
Jeopardy!
Ken Burns' Civil War
Late Night
Law and Order
Little House on the Prairie
Lost
Married... with Children
The Mary Tyler Moore Show
MASH
Meet the Press
Mr. Rogers Neighborhood
Monday Night Football
Monty Python's Flying Circus
Mork & Mindy
MTV's Unplugged
The Muppet Show
Newhart
The Newlywed Game
Nightline
NYPD Blue
The Odd Couple
The Oprah Winfrey Show
Perry Mason
Playhouse 90
The Price is Right
The Prisoner
Quantum Leap
Rockford Files
Roots
St. Elsewhere
Sanford and Son
Saturday Night Live
Scrubs
See It Now
Seinfeld
Sesame Street
The Simpsons
Soap
The Sopranos
South Park
Sportscenter
Star Trek
Star Trek: The Next Generation
Survivor
The Tonight Show
The Tracy Ullman Show
The Twilight Zone
WKRP
Wild Kingdom
The Wonder Years
Wonderful World of Disney
The X-Files

[Schmidty]

ThunderingHERD is on the clock.

[Radii]

bump, home stretch!

[ThunderingHERD]

Moment, The Simpsons debuts - The Tracy Ullman Show (comedy)

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

Moment, The Simpsons debuts - The Tracy Ullman Show (comedy)

I considered this *very strongly*. I ultimately decided to pass because I was afraid it might be considered a grey area since The Simpsons were selected as a show. I think it's a great pick and should stand, I just didn't want to go through the hassle and paperwork if anybody objected.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I believe Herd's pick brings it around to me, so in order to keep things moving ...
Show, Other -- Wild Kingdom

It made Mutual of Omaha a household name and really established a whole genre that continues today.

[WSUCougar]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I believe Herd's pick brings it around to me, so in order to keep things moving ...
Show, Other -- Wild Kingdom

It made Mutual of Omaha a household name and really established a whole genre that continues today.

Oh, you !@#$% bastard! I was locked onto Marlon Perkins as my 10th round "Mr. Irrelevant" for the draft!

[Crapshoot]

10.8 - Show - Drama - Remington Steele Guilty Pleasure ..

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I believe Herd's pick brings it around to me, so in order to keep things moving ...
Show, Other -- Wild Kingdom

It made Mutual of Omaha a household name and really established a whole genre that continues today.

Great pick, I wish that I had thought of it.


-Anxiety

[Radii]

10.9 - Drama - Performer - Hugh Laurie in House

Its a newer show, but the title character is probably my favorite character from a TV show in the last 10 years. I think the show itself is extremely entertaining(though with anything relatively new I know there will be a ton of varying opinions on this), and I think its a very good hospital drama, but has enough of a unique feel that its not just another in the long line of ER clones.

[WSUCougar]

Originally Posted by Radii

10.9 - Drama - Performer - Hugh Laurie in House

Its a newer show, but the title character is probably my favorite character from a TV show in the last 10 years. I think the show itself is extremely entertaining(though with anything relatively new I know there will be a ton of varying opinions on this), and I think its a very good hospital drama, but has enough of a unique feel that its not just another in the long line of ER clones.

Agreed. He makes a marvelous bastard, doesn't he? Although my son is heavily into Stuart Little 2 right now, and Hugh Laurie is the geeky dad in it, which is a tough contrast for me.

Seriously, a good sleeper pick - hopefully the voters will pick up on it.

[WSUCougar]

For my final selection, I'll take a cultural icon:

10.10: Other - Performer - Vanna White (Wheel of Fortune)

[Abe Sargent]

We're done, right?

-Anxiety

[Crapshoot]

Aye. Now that we're done, I must admit I was kinda surprised that Buffy didn't get picked - same with Family Guy.

[Abe Sargent]

There were several shows that I was a bit suprised didn't go:

Doctor Who
Cold Feet
Coupling
Brady Bunch
Guiding Light
Who Wants to be a Millionaire, which revived the game show genre
Night Court
Twin Peaks (which I almost took in the tenth round)
Northern Exposure
Thirtysomething
The West Wing (which I considered taking since it started the political drama)

-Anxiety

[Crapshoot]

Damn - I would have taken West Wing in the 10th if i remembered. DId think about Twin Peaks but passed it - same thing with Northern Exposure.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Here's what I had left on my various lists that didn't get picked (as far as I can tell):

Performer, Other, Jacques Cousteau / The Undersea World of Jacque Cousteau
Performer, Other, Charles Kuralt/ On the Road
Performer, Comedy, Andy Kaufman- Taxi
Performer, Comedy, Christopher Lloyd- Taxi
Performer, Comedy, Milton Berle/ Texaco Star Theatre
Performer, Comedy, Jack Benny / The Jack Benny Show
Performer, Comedy, Tony Shaloub/ Monk
Show, Drama, Dragnet
Show, Drama, Taxi
Show, Comedy, Murphy Brown

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

There were several shows that I was a bit suprised didn't go:

Doctor Who
Cold Feet
Coupling
Brady Bunch
Guiding Light
Who Wants to be a Millionaire, which revived the game show genre
Night Court
Twin Peaks (which I almost took in the tenth round)
Northern Exposure
Thirtysomething
The West Wing (which I considered taking since it started the political drama)

-Anxiety

I thought Twin Peaks got taken...isn't that the "who killed what's her name" show?

[kcchief19]

The West Wing was on my short list, but I skipped past it to avoid unalienating half the voters. Tony Shaloub and/or Monk would have been a great pick.

Brady Bunch ... Anxiety, you're killing me!

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

The West Wing was on my short list, but I skipped past it to avoid unalienating half the voters. Tony Shaloub and/or Monk would have been a great pick.

Brady Bunch ... Anxiety, you're killing me!

Brady Bunch is a show that had a lot of impact on family sitcoms, is ubiquitous, and honest. It may have been smarmy, and it's not my cup of tea, but is was a well designed show.

-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

I thought Twin Peaks got taken...isn't that the "who killed what's her name" show?

I looked in teh list of shows that had been taken, because it took too long to search the lists, and I didn't see it there.


-Anxiety

[sachmo71]

I took twin peaks.

[Raven]

I was considering taking Peter Brady trying to sing while his voice was changing for comedy moment

[Schmidty]

I'm going to put the poll up sometime tomorrow.

[Maple Leafs]

Good work, all. Sorry about dropping out on short notice like that. Thanks to Schmidty for taking the reins.

[Schmidty]

By the way, I had been wanting to pick Estelle Getty of the Golden Girls for like 5 rounds. People don't realize how amazingly funny that show was.

Yes, it's so good I even watch Lifetime to see it.

[Raven]

Umm...aren't we supposed to vote on a winner?

[Buccaneer]

Is this still going??? When do we vote?

[Schmidty]

It's been a busy weekend and I've been lazy to boot. I'll have it up ASAP.