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Old 09-01-2011, 10:22 AM   #4301
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Anybody following the Bruce Feldman interview on Dan Patrick Show? I'm just following the tweets of his comments about ESPN, and wow. He's hammering them. I hope he quits and goes somewhere else. He's basically been chained to a desk with duct tape on his mouth since the Leach book came out.

EDIT: I guess he quit already, now I see the statement from ESPN. Good for him.
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:24 AM   #4302
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:34 AM   #4303
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Here's the audio of his interview:

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Old 09-01-2011, 11:19 AM   #4304
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Sounds like 'conference armageddon' hinges on one team right now.

BYU

There's heavy negotiations going on right now with BYU. Several of the B12 programs feel that BYU is the only school being considered that would adequately replace A&M and allow the conference to move forward with any semblance of hope. If BYU balks, all bets are off. OU is ready to take a group of four teams to the Pac-XX. Mizzou would look to the SEC and B10 as both would move to 16 teams. Remaining parts of B12 would go to B10/Big East.

I know MacroGuru doesn't like it, but his team is the center of the football universe right now.
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Old 09-01-2011, 12:04 PM   #4305
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Sounds like 'conference armageddon' hinges on one team right now.

BYU

There's heavy negotiations going on right now with BYU. Several of the B12 programs feel that BYU is the only school being considered that would adequately replace A&M and allow the conference to move forward with any semblance of hope. If BYU balks, all bets are off. OU is ready to take a group of four teams to the Pac-XX. Mizzou would look to the SEC and B10 as both would move to 16 teams. Remaining parts of B12 would go to B10/Big East.

I know MacroGuru doesn't like it, but his team is the center of the football universe right now.

Dan Beebe just can't pass up a half assed stop gap, can he?
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Old 09-01-2011, 12:33 PM   #4306
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RT @DufreseLATimes Bruce Feldman blogs at CBSSports RT @CFBLIVE ESPN Discussion: What are you looking forward to the most this weekend?
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Old 09-01-2011, 01:27 PM   #4307
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I hope it happens too. I have serious reservations about bringing Texas into the Pac fold, but the sooner we get to 16 teams the sooner we can get away from this shitty north/south split. I could really care less about which teams make up the eastern division, as long as the west is the old Pac-8 I’ll be happy as pie.
I'd be excited to see an East/West split that makes sense, i.e. the old Pac-8 in the West and the newcomers & Arizona schools in the East.

And I really doubt Scott takes Texas unless he can get them to compromise regarding the Longhorn Network and fold it in to the existing regional networks being set up. I think Scott knows better (and the school presidents will agree) that you don't go from unequal revenue sharing to equal revenue sharing to then taking in a new team that gets more than the rest. No way USC is OK with going along with equal revenue sharing only to see Texas added and allowed to take in a greater slice of the pie...
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Old 09-01-2011, 01:52 PM   #4308
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:04 PM   #4309
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These rumors are rather odd and somewhat contradictory. In some places, we have schools that refuse to allow a state rival to enter their conference. And in others, we have schools that are tied to state rivals so tightly that one can't move without the other. In other words, I don't believe anything until someone goes on the record and says it.

If the Pac 12 can add Texas and Oklahoma, it may well be worth taking two low-revenue schools (the State problem and the Tech problem). But unless they're getting a top-30 revenue-prestige school, the top three conferences (Big Ten, Pac 12, SEC) have no incentive to even consider an application.

Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Texas and maybe Missouri meet that threshold. I don't think the Big Ten is even paying attention right now, unless Texas or Notre Dame calls.

I'm not sure I understand this. Ok State posted $32.7 million for the 2009-2010 season in football revenues. While a far cry from Oklahoma and Texas, that number would put them second in the PAC-10's current roster of schools. So how's that a step-child for the conference when it comes to revenue? Even Tech made ~$26 million in football revenue, which puts them somewhere in the middle.

Every chart I've found online for football revenues puts Ok State at around 25th in the nation since somewhere around 2003. They are a top 30 revenue school. Or am I missing the point?

Now, academics are a totally different animal. That's what I'd call the "State" problem, not revenues.
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:36 PM   #4310
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Sounds like 'conference armageddon' hinges on one team right now.

BYU

There's heavy negotiations going on right now with BYU. Several of the B12 programs feel that BYU is the only school being considered that would adequately replace A&M and allow the conference to move forward with any semblance of hope. If BYU balks, all bets are off. OU is ready to take a group of four teams to the Pac-XX. Mizzou would look to the SEC and B10 as both would move to 16 teams. Remaining parts of B12 would go to B10/Big East.

I know MacroGuru doesn't like it, but his team is the center of the football universe right now.

All signs point to us going if the right concessions will be made.....and I don't know if they can be or will...

Sunday Play is major and then the retaining of rebroadcast rights for BYUTV...And probably assurances from all schools they won't bolt...but then again, we know how assurances (even signed) are based upon UNR and Fresno St.
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:38 PM   #4311
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And the Jet has been in Provo now for almost 48 hours, so it's going to be interesting to see what is decided
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:55 PM   #4312
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So if a team says they started a network, but no one can actually watch that network, did they really start a network?
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:55 PM   #4313
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:52 PM   #4314
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I'm not sure I understand this. Ok State posted $32.7 million for the 2009-2010 season in football revenues. While a far cry from Oklahoma and Texas, that number would put them second in the PAC-10's current roster of schools. So how's that a step-child for the conference when it comes to revenue? Even Tech made ~$26 million in football revenue, which puts them somewhere in the middle.

Every chart I've found online for football revenues puts Ok State at around 25th in the nation since somewhere around 2003. They are a top 30 revenue school. Or am I missing the point?

Now, academics are a totally different animal. That's what I'd call the "State" problem, not revenues.

There are three major factors to consider that lead to value for a school. Academics, Prestige and Money. Those are the factors that give you masses of interested alumni and fans around the region, or even around the country. After that, footprint is a limiter.

Oklahoma State is getting a lot of money from T. Boone Pickens. That's essentially transformed the program on the field. But it still lacks that regional interest.

I'm struggling to see the value in Brigham Young. Yes, if you have to decide between Houston and BYU as your tenth school, you might well go with BYU. Though I'd think the Big XII would also talk to Cincinnati. However, I think the Big XII is stronger with nine schools than with anyone they could attract at this point.

At some point, we have to stop reacting to every anonymous post made on every message board by someone who claims to have inside information. Someone who is actually privy to these kinds of discussions has no interest in undermining them by blabbing about them.

For all we know, Texas A&M may be an independent next season. Twelve is a good number for a conference specifically because the NCAA has set things up that way. Ten was a good number 20 years ago. And eight was a good number before that.

Let's not forget what happened to the WAC when it decided 16 was a good number.
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:57 PM   #4315
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I'm struggling to see the value in Brigham Young. Yes, if you have to decide between Houston and BYU as your tenth school, you might well go with BYU. Though I'd think the Big XII would also talk to Cincinnati. However, I think the Big XII is stronger with nine schools than with anyone they could attract at this point.

Let's not forget what happened to the WAC when it decided 16 was a good number.

Not being a BYU homer but the price tag ESPN is paying for each BYU game has shown they are worth it.

BYU travels very well, has an amazing national fan base and brings a solid relationship with ESPN into the picture. Historically BYU has done well and has a great tradition.

As for the WAC and 16, I shudder at that debacle.
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Old 09-01-2011, 04:59 PM   #4316
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Not being a BYU homer but the price tag ESPN is paying for each BYU game has shown they are worth it.

BYU travels very well, has an amazing national fan base and brings a solid relationship with ESPN into the picture. Historically BYU has done well and has a great tradition.

As for the WAC and 16, I shudder at that debacle.

I wouldn't knock BYU, but it's not a major-conference-level contract. Its guaranteed value is only around $3 million per season (and, adding in BYUtv and the options on more ESPN games, I wouldn't be surprised if its worth is double that). That is more than double what they would receive in the Mountain West (a little over a million), but it's far, far short of what Big XII teams receive.

I think that reflects BYU's national reputation (like Notre Dame, it gains from having religious connections, albeit to a much smaller religion).

Independence is a very good move for BYU right now, especially with what looks like a pretty good team coming in this season, the relatively easy WAC schedule, and the built-in advantage of being able to field an older team.

Their best move is to remain independent, and get those major rivalry contracts in place - like they've done with Notre Dame and Oregon State. If they keep playing the new WAC schedule, interest will die quickly.
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The WAC schedule is basically for the first 2 years of independence because of the scheduling head aches, our 2013 schedule is already looking great..


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Iand the built-in advantage of being able to field an older team.

What, do we send our guys to two year football training camp for them to stay in shape?

If it is such an advantage why don't other schools send their players out to 2 year peace corp missions? Why don't you see the other religious schools doing it?

Because it isn't.

This was posted on one of the Cougar MB in response to Houston Nutt already talking about it...oh BTW AVG age of BYU team this year is 20.8
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He could be sent to the Ukraine, Taiwan, South Africa or anywhere else in the world.

He will live in a small apartment, possibly sleep on the floor and have minimal access to luxury items.

He will talk to people about Jesus Christ 6 days out of the week from 9am-9:30 pm

He will most likely ride a bike wherever he goes.

On his 1 day off during the week, he can do his laundry, grocery shopping (will do his own cooking), write letters to loved one at home, etc. and possibly workout if time permits, but he needs to be done by early evening or late afternoon.

He will be back in his apartment every night by 9:30pm

He will have no contact with any of your coaches except maybe a letter a few months before he comes home encouraging him to keep up the faith building work he is their to do there.

He will most likely come home in terrible physical shape having gained pounds of fat due to lack of regular exercise.

Gees......sounds like a recipe for building athletes doesn't it!! BYU sure has pulled the wool over everyone's eyes haven't they!

If this is such an "advantage", why doesn't every college do it...or even just the other religious schools??
And yes, this is a touchy subject for me.....I have friends come back from their missions stabbed, faces slashed and with tapeworms and so ill they couldn't play sports anymore losing their scholarship...
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Old 09-01-2011, 05:23 PM   #4318
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Trying to find the article, but apparently Oklahoma is quietly talking to the Pac-12 about acquiring them and three other Big 12 teams. Texas is in the fold, but it may be Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Kansas, and Missouri. An announcement could come as late as October 1st.

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http://www.statesman.com/sports/long...inglePage=true
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Old 09-01-2011, 06:31 PM   #4319
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So if a team says they started a network, but no one can actually watch that network, did they really start a network?

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Old 09-01-2011, 09:12 PM   #4320
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For the past several seasons, the first Longhorns game has been on PPV. Based on the sales figures, more people will watch the game on the current limited distribution of the LHN than paid for the PPV over the past few seasons. The network only launched a couple of months ago. By the start of the basketball season, the big providers will have signed on.

As a point of comparison, the first game broadcast on the Big 10 network was the Appalachian State - Michigan game. It had fewer viewers signed up for it than the LHN does at this point.
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:52 PM   #4321
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First of all, the Michigan-App St. game was the secondary Big Ten Network game. As I recall I was at Buffalo Wild Wings and it wouldn't come on TV until Ohio State vs. somebody finished. Secondly, the network was available on DirecTV which probably has more viewers than Bay City Cable.
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Old 09-02-2011, 02:38 PM   #4322
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Trying to find the article, but apparently Oklahoma is quietly talking to the Pac-12 about acquiring them and three other Big 12 teams. Texas is in the fold, but it may be Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Kansas, and Missouri. An announcement could come as late as October 1st.

Edit: Found it!

One more move and Big 12 is over

I'd rather see Missouri in the Big Ten so I could actually watch them play once in a while, but with my dad having attended USC and my cousin having graduated from UCLA, Mizzou in the Pac-Whatever would actually be pretty funny.
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Old 09-02-2011, 02:47 PM   #4323
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First of all, the Michigan-App St. game was the secondary Big Ten Network game. As I recall I was at Buffalo Wild Wings and it wouldn't come on TV until Ohio State vs. somebody finished. Secondly, the network was available on DirecTV which probably has more viewers than Bay City Cable.

The Michigan game was the lead broadcast on the Big Ten network.
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The Big 10 was on DirectTV at launch, but only for the Sports tier subscribers. LHN is currently on the default channel list for FiOS.
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Old 09-02-2011, 02:49 PM   #4324
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Gary Pinkel already is a favorite amongst the Mizzou fans. His comments on the Tim Brando show today pretty much ensured golden statue status for many years to come. He was asked about the turmoil in the Big 12 and what his general thoughts were on what's going on. His response:

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In two sentences, he said what the rest of the Big 12 is thinking.

Full interview link below:

Gary Pinkel | Yahoo Sports Radio

And if KU fans ever wonder why their athletic program isn't amongst the leading options for expansion, you don't have to look any further than today's Groupon for an explanation.

University of Kansas, KU Athletics Deal of the Day | Groupon Kansas City

Is there any other BCS program that uses Groupon to sell tickets to football games?
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Old 09-02-2011, 02:57 PM   #4325
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Just did a google search and found a bunch of hits including, Boston College, Colorado (expansion anyone?), Washington State, NC State and others, all offering Groupon deals.
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Old 09-02-2011, 03:00 PM   #4326
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Old 09-02-2011, 03:00 PM   #4327
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The latest from Jon Wilner on the Big-"12" and possible expansion for other conferences:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/college...nt/#more-21003
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Old 09-02-2011, 03:07 PM   #4328
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Just did a google search and found a bunch of hits including, Boston College, Colorado (expansion anyone?), Washington State, NC State and others, all offering Groupon deals.

Damn. That's embarrassing. KU is getting nailed over it in B12 land.
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Old 09-02-2011, 03:09 PM   #4329
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Damn. That's embarrassing. KU is getting nailed over on Mizzou homer boards.

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Old 09-02-2011, 03:12 PM   #4330
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Articles popping up now over Pinkel's comments. He's not the type that likes attention, but he's going to get it after his comments today.

Gary Pinkel isn't a huge Dan Beebe fan - CBSSports.com
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Old 09-02-2011, 03:45 PM   #4331
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Damn. That's embarrassing. KU is getting nailed over it in B12 land.

I'm not sure how that is embarrassing as you suggest. It's no secret that Kansas' attendance has been down after the struggles of the last two seasons. I'd rather see them try something like Groupon to draw interest than just pad the numbers and claim the seats are empty because the fans are in the suites rather than sitting courtside.

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Old 09-02-2011, 03:48 PM   #4332
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Articles popping up now over Pinkel's comments. He's not the type that likes attention, but he's going to get it after his comments today.

Gary Pinkel isn't a huge Dan Beebe fan - CBSSports.com

Personally, I love Pinkel's comments. I don't know that it was the smart thing to do, but he's just saying what a lot of people around the Big 12 are likely thinking.
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Old 09-02-2011, 05:30 PM   #4333
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ASU has done groupon the last 2 years for their home opener. Both were against DII schools (UC Davis last night and Portland state last year) I see no problem with it...it gets the casual fan to come see the game and sells a ticket that wouldn't sell on it's own anyhow
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Old 09-02-2011, 05:32 PM   #4334
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Another summary of current situation............

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Old 09-02-2011, 05:52 PM   #4335
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Old 09-02-2011, 06:36 PM   #4336
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University of Kansas, KU Athletics Deal of the Day | Groupon Kansas City

Is there any other BCS program that uses Groupon to sell tickets to football games?

$25 for a KU game, even if it's Baylor- I'd go!

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Old 09-02-2011, 07:07 PM   #4337
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:10 PM   #4338
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Looks like the Oklahoma Sooners are on the clock...

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Old 09-02-2011, 07:34 PM   #4339
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I wonder if there is any chance that Oklahoma and OSU surprise and go on ahead to the SEC?
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:42 PM   #4340
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I wonder if there is any chance that Oklahoma and OSU surprise and go on ahead to the SEC?
Pac-16 or nothing IMO.
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Former OSU coach Pat Jones was told by a source that the SEC is preparing to add Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Florida State, and Virginia Tech.
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Old 09-02-2011, 08:04 PM   #4342
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Former OSU coach Pat Jones was told by a source that the SEC is preparing to add Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Florida State, and Virginia Tech.

That would be an incredible haul for the SEC. If true then I think you might see a potential Big East/ACC/Big 12 merger (minus a few teams) unless the Pac jumps in and grabs a few schools.
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Old 09-02-2011, 08:15 PM   #4343
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That would be an incredible haul for the SEC. If true then I think you might see a potential Big East/ACC/Big 12 merger (minus a few teams) unless the Pac jumps in and grabs a few schools.

That would be an odd situation for the PAC-12. I think they were gambling on Oklahoma being around
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Old 09-02-2011, 08:21 PM   #4344
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wouldnt it be OSU, TU, TT and KU to the Pac## then if the above is true? Or would they make a grab for Mizzou instead of KU or TT?
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Old 09-02-2011, 08:22 PM   #4345
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The PAC-12 won't take OSU if there isn't Oklahoma attached to it
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Old 09-02-2011, 08:55 PM   #4346
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SI, you and me man!

Unfortunately, Lawrence is about a 10 hour drive from Indy

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Old 09-02-2011, 08:59 PM   #4347
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Ill go. Stop by and pick me up. Ill drive the last 4 1/2 hours to Lawrence
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Old 09-02-2011, 09:00 PM   #4348
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Unfortunately, Lawrence is about a 10 hour drive from Indy

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Old 09-02-2011, 09:00 PM   #4349
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The PAC-12 won't take OSU if there isn't Oklahoma attached to it
I think T. Boone Pickens will have a huge say in that. As the saying goes, money talks.
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I think T. Boone Pickens will have a huge say in that. As the saying goes, money talks.

What's he going to do though? Buy off Larry Scott?
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