POTUS 2016 General Election Discussion Thread

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

And that's the thing. Hispanic Catholics are much more conservative than white American Catholics are.

Not that simple. Polling says that Latino Catholics are more socially conservative, but far more economically liberal than American Catholics. Further, they're more likely to vote their economic beliefs than their social beliefs.

Now I think there a constituency in there for the GOP, but they've pissed that away for a while being so racist curious.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Out of article views there, so what's the truth?

And Matt Drudge hinting big story against Hillary, maybe sex related.

I don't think this was the big story he (and Rush and Scott Baio)) had in mind:

Drudge, Limbaugh Fall for Twitter Joke About Postal Worker Destroying Trump Ballots - The Daily Beast

[SirFozzie]

Fuck the New Mexico GOP.

(and yes, I triple checked to make sure it was real)

New Mexico Republicans Send Ominous Flyer to State Voters : snopes.com

"If you don't vote for us, YOUR NEIGHBORS WILL KNOW"

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Fuck the New Mexico GOP.

(and yes, I triple checked to make sure it was real)

New Mexico Republicans Send Ominous Flyer to State Voters : snopes.com

"If you don't vote for us, YOUR NEIGHBORS WILL KNOW"

Those kind of mailers have been making the rounds the last few elections. They are supposedly very effective.

Democrats did it up in Wisconsin back in 2012. It was big during the Walker recall too. Cruz did it in Iowa during the most recent primary. Bunch of other cases too.

If you can increase the voter turnout by 8% in a particular area just through these mailers, that's a huge advantage if your targeting is done right.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

#HillaryGropedMe

#1 or #2 trending topic for like 8 straight hours today.

I'm guessing #FeeltheTrump or #FeltbyTrump didn't take off?

[Subby]

FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!

Obama tells Trump to 'stop whining' about election - The Washington Post

[Subby]

We're gonna whine so much you're gonna get tired of whining pic.twitter.com/gTHpTgIVZB

— Liam Donovan (@LPDonovan) August 14, 2016

[Butter]

"We're gonna whine so much you're gonna get tired of whining"

Too late.

[cartman]

The best whining. Tremendous whining.

[Subby]

Not that it matters anymore, but...

Six people are now corroborating the story Natasha Stoynoff wrote in People about Trump. https://t.co/3wTKxiOa1r

— Gideon Resnick (@GideonResnick) October 18, 2016

[Easy Mac]

Yeah, but did those 6 "witnesses" also have 6 witness to witness their second hand witnessing? And look at those witnesses. Do you think they could witness anything? I don't think so, nu uh.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by Subby

FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!

Obama tells Trump to 'stop whining' about election - The Washington Post

IDGAF Obama is best Obama.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Not that simple. Polling says that Latino Catholics are more socially conservative, but far more economically liberal than American Catholics. Further, they're more likely to vote their economic beliefs than their social beliefs.

Yep. Which, also, interestingly is Church orthodoxy (economic liberalism).

[Subby]

@DaveBautista I have a question for you...give your endorsement to @realDonaldTrump ???? #peace

— gemma@maña (@gemmagema43) October 17, 2016

FUUUUUCK NOOOOOO!!!! Like HELLLL FUCKING NOOOOOO!!! HELL 2 the FUCKINGGGG 2 the NOOOOOOOO!!! HELL 2 the FUCKING FUUUUUCKKKK NOOOOOOOOO! ✌🏼️😊 https://t.co/KQaiPTLmyP

— Dave Bautista (@DaveBautista) October 17, 2016

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Subby

@DaveBautista I have a question for you...give your endorsement to @realDonaldTrump ???? #peace

— gemma@maña (@gemmagema43) October 17, 2016

FUUUUUCK NOOOOOO!!!! Like HELLLL FUCKING NOOOOOO!!! HELL 2 the FUCKINGGGG 2 the NOOOOOOOO!!! HELL 2 the FUCKING FUUUUUCKKKK NOOOOOOOOO! ✌🏼️😊 https://t.co/KQaiPTLmyP

— Dave Bautista (@DaveBautista) October 17, 2016

So you're saying there's a chance?

[chinaski]

Ugh Drudgereport, taking the National Enquirer as gospel. Like he was ever credible, but this is a whole new level of batshit crazy.

[SackAttack]

"It was right about John Edwards that one time so any time it tears a Democrat down or supports a Republican, it must be right!"

[stevew]

Nation Suddenly Realizes It Never Had To Worry About John McCain Dying Over Past 8 Years If He’d Become President - The Onion - America's Finest News Source

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

"It was right about John Edwards that one time so any time it tears a Democrat down or supports a Republican, it must be right!"

I mean, the National Enquirer is just as reputable as the Drudge Report.

Loved Obama's statement today, but the video of Democratic PAC operatives admitting to fomenting violence at Trump rallies at the behest of the DNC & Clinton Campaign will not help with the people who think the election and media is rigged.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

I mean, the National Enquirer is just as reputable as the Drudge Report.

Loved Obama's statement today, but the video of Democratic PAC operatives admitting to fomenting violence at Trump rallies at the behest of the DNC & Clinton Campaign will not help with the people who think the election and media is rigged.

I have trouble trusting anything James O Keefe is involved in.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by stevew

Nation Suddenly Realizes It Never Had To Worry About John McCain Dying Over Past 8 Years If He’d Become President - The Onion - America's Finest News Source

Oh he definitely died. Whoever is posing as McCain in 2016 is not the same person as 2008 or 2000.

[larrymcg421]

Trump is bringing Obama's half brother to the debate. Because the last debate stunt worked out so well for him.

[PilotMan]

Yeah, that whole I love my brother but he didn't come here and give us enough stuff after he was elected and let us all down, argument is going to go over really well. I guess that means that Trump will totally spend millions in Africa on Obama's brothers community so he can say that he's got his endorsement.

[SirFozzie]

John Harwood on Twitter: "in NBC/WSJ poll, Obama job rating among those saying they voted early: 68% approve, 29% disapprove"

If early voting is up (and I'll include the necessary caveat), the polling is right, this could be very very good for Clinton

[larrymcg421]

The PredictIt election map has Clinton winning with 340 EV's. Lots of money to be made if you think the polls are inaccurate because everyone you know is voting Trump.

https://www.predictit.org/Home/Election2016

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I have trouble trusting anything James O Keefe is involved in.

Me too, but when the operatives involved are resigning and being fired that's pretty telling. And I'm not partisan enough to think only one side is doing it (though Trump may actually be the one candidate with such a non-existent ground game he can't pull off any dirty tricks!), but when we talk about and bemoan the polarization of politics in this country, this is exactly what's feeding it. Whether it's Trump partisans with the groping allegations or Hillary partisans with the Podesta emails or this political subterfuge the response is to attack and discredit the messenger instead of admitting that yeah, their candidate did something messed up. And so both sides dig their heels deeper in their echo chambers instead of substantively having any discussion.

PS I get that it's hidden cameras & I assume some lying is involved to get in the door, but how dumb do you have to be to brag about doing that stuff to someone you presumably don't know that well?

[nol]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

The PredictIt election map has Clinton winning with 340 EV's. Lots of money to be made if you think the polls are inaccurate because everyone you know is voting Trump.

https://www.predictit.org/Home/Election2016

Real muricans don't use PredictIt.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Trump is bringing Obama's half brother to the debate. Because the last debate stunt worked out so well for him.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

I mean, the National Enquirer is just as reputable as the Drudge Report.

Loved Obama's statement today, but the video of Democratic PAC operatives admitting to fomenting violence at Trump rallies at the behest of the DNC & Clinton Campaign will not help with the people who think the election and media is rigged.

If you've paid attention in the last 8 years, you've seen conservative operatives perform hatchet jobs on videos they've taken in order to make what the subjects say fit a #narrative.

PLANNED PARENTHOOD CHOPS UP BABIES AND SELLS THEM FOR SPARE PARTS RABBLE RABBLE RAWR

as, y'know, an example.

It's a thing that's happened on multiple occasions before, and the fuckery involved took down ACORN despite no wrongdoing and resulted in a bunch of conservatives in GOP-controlled states going DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD EVEN THOUGH INVESTIGATIONS BY GOP ATTORNEYS GENERAL ARE FINDING NO WRONGDOING BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING I BELIEVE IN MY HEART IS TRUE DESPITE ALL EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY.

A hatchet job video making it look like Trump protesters are trying to spark riots to embarrass Trump? Look, maybe it's legit and they really did do those things, but the evidence of the last 8 years suggests that Ronald Reagan got it wrong: verify BEFORE you trust.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Trump is bringing Obama's half brother to the debate. Because the last debate stunt worked out so well for him.

The one that loves Gadaffi?

[digamma]

Originally Posted by nol

Real muricans don't use PredictIt.

Well I'm not sure about that because some Real 'Muricans are keeping the price of Clinton winning New York down to about 92 cents, which is lower than you can get most other out of play states. It is an easy small profit.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

The Republican establishment candidates learned it the hard way. Hillary did fine in the confines of her convention. However, the next stage of the election (debates and campaiging) is where Trump really did extremely well in regards to drawing voters into his camp. He's like Phil Hellmuth at a poker table. He'll just keep poking and poking, regardless of how bad it may look, in order to get you off your game.

Well....one more debate for Trump to maybe get some better cards???

[Ben E Lou]

What DO we expect from Trump tonight?

[PilotMan]

Based on his reuse of his same lines from debate 1 in debate 2, I'd expect more of the same. Along with an attempt to always get the last word in. I'm really not sure what to expect from the moderator other than you are likely to see a significant number of uncomfortable questions for Clinton and Trump jumping in on them like he's looking for the punchline on SNL. He wants that soundbite moment. He really has no interest in debating policy at this point. His goal is to make Clinton look bad. This whole thing is very personal for him. I really think that he believes that he can win with this strategy, and he refuses to change his course from anything else.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by digamma

Well....one more debate for Trump to maybe get some better cards???

Well Trump is obviously using the jbmagic method of winning. He's going to keep doubling his bet every time he makes an ass of himself and eventually he'll get the better cards you mentioned and win the big pot.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Shitter's full!!!!!!

Witness: DNC tour bus dumps human waste into storm drain - KCTV5

[Subby]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

The Republican establishment candidates learned it the hard way. Hillary did fine in the confines of her convention. However, the next stage of the election (debates and campaiging) is where Trump really did extremely well in regards to drawing voters into his camp. He's like Phil Hellmuth at a poker table. He'll just keep poking and poking, regardless of how bad it may look, in order to get you off your game. He's going to be doing that exact thing to Hillary Clinton over the next three months. Her ability to get elected over the next stage is going to have very little to do with her policies and much to do with whether she can remain calm and look 'presidential' under the heat of Trump's verbal attacks. It's certainly a great test for her because there are a lot of leaders out there in the world who will test her much the same way if she is elected.

Congrats on predicting this correctly. She definitely handled it well.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

What DO we expect from Trump tonight?

More "Hillary is sick and dying," which Donald will probably sniffle his way through.

At Previous Debates, Melania Trump and Bill Clinton Shook Hands. Not Anymore. - NYTimes.com

Mr. Trump’s aides are preparing him with a sharp escalation in attacks on Mrs. Clinton’s character and a focus on her health, according to a senior campaign adviser, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

On Sunday, in a debate prep session at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J., Mr. Trump sparred with Gov. Chris Christie, who informally played the role of Mrs. Clinton, according to a second senior adviser, who also requested anonymity to share details of internal campaign activities.

Mr. Christie helped sharpen Mr. Trump for his last debate performance, helping him to more aggressively and coherently attack Mrs. Clinton over her use of a private email server, the adviser said. This time, Mr. Trump’s advisers are preparing lines related to Mrs. Clinton’s health, which Mr. Trump has sought to make an issue of after her bout of pneumonia in September.

At his rallies, Mr. Trump tends to highlight any time that Mrs. Clinton spends off the campaign trail. He has seized on her days off in the past week as evidence of frailty, though she used much of the time to prepare for the debate and hold private fund-raising events.

On Tuesday, according to a person briefed on the plan, Mr. Trump intends to bring President Obama’s half brother, Malik Obama, a Trump supporter, to the debate.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Subby

Congrats on predicting this correctly. She definitely handled it well.

Agreed. She has definitely done far better than expected and Trump has not done well at all.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

What DO we expect from Trump tonight?

Heh. I suppose this might give us a hint?

Ex-Arkansas reporter accuses Bill Clinton of groping her | TheHill

[BillJasper]

I don't understand the attacks on Bill Clinton. They aren't getting any traction on it with the moderate voters they need to win the election.

Bill's a total douchebag, but he hasn't ran for public office in twenty years. Moderates have figured it out, why hasn't Trump?

[ISiddiqui]

Because Trump really doesn't have anything else.

[Subby]

All 22 major US white supremacy orgs. endorse Trump but none of the 1382 major US newspapers endorse Trump. pic.twitter.com/CIVpeseGHO

— Mark Rector (@markwellsrector) October 18, 2016

[molson]

I don't know what the cutoff was to make this list, but of 186 newspaper endorsements tabulated here:

Hillary Clinton: 153
No Endorsement: 15
"Not Donald Trump": 9
Gary Johnson: 6
Donald Trump: 3 (The Santa-Barbara News Press, The St. Joseph's (Missouri) News-Press, and the Waxahachie (Texas) Daily Light)

Newspaper endorsements in the United States presidential election, 2016 - Wikipedia

And of the 14 major magazines that were tabulated, it's Clinton with 10, "Not Donald Trump" with 4, and Trump with 0.

[Arles]

I think it's clear that the Santa Barbara News Press is nowhere near the circulation and influence of the Mineral Wells Index and Goshen News.

[larrymcg421]

Because I have nothing to do but waste time, I looked up the daily circulations...

Mineral Wells - 3119
Goshen News - 7800
Santa Barbara news Press - 5195
St. Joseph's News Press - 26015
Couldn't find circulation info for the Waxahachie Daily Light

Santa Barbara and St. Joseph's endorsements came in the last few days, before the tweet. Not sure if that graphic aired that same day or not. The white supremacist part of the tweet was dumb. Better to just point out that even conservative newspapers haven't endorsed Trump.

[JPhillips]

Good thing Trump didn't pull a publicity stunt without checking to see that Malik Obama was a supporter of Hamas and favored the destruction of Israel.

Oh wait, he did... Just the kind of judgement we need in a President.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

If you've paid attention in the last 8 years, you've seen conservative operatives perform hatchet jobs on videos they've taken in order to make what the subjects say fit a #narrative.

PLANNED PARENTHOOD CHOPS UP BABIES AND SELLS THEM FOR SPARE PARTS RABBLE RABBLE RAWR

as, y'know, an example.

It's a thing that's happened on multiple occasions before, and the fuckery involved took down ACORN despite no wrongdoing and resulted in a bunch of conservatives in GOP-controlled states going DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD EVEN THOUGH INVESTIGATIONS BY GOP ATTORNEYS GENERAL ARE FINDING NO WRONGDOING BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING I BELIEVE IN MY HEART IS TRUE DESPITE ALL EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY.

A hatchet job video making it look like Trump protesters are trying to spark riots to embarrass Trump? Look, maybe it's legit and they really did do those things, but the evidence of the last 8 years suggests that Ronald Reagan got it wrong: verify BEFORE you trust.

Yes, I'm aware of the sketchy past from the guy editing it. Keep using that to completely discredit the statements the people actually make. Here's an article from a real newspaper if that makes you feel better that hits close to my position (because some of what's on those tapes seems like theoretical talk, and some doesn't even seem illegal. But there's also clearly evidence of dirty tricks, and implications of illegal coordination, though I assume the specific double blinds they talk about on video are enough to officially absolve the Clinton campaign & DNC.) Two local Democratic operatives lose jobs after video sting on voter fraud - Chicago Tribune

[Subby]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

The white supremacist part of the tweet was dumb. Better to just point out that even conservative newspapers haven't endorsed Trump.

Yeah I don't agree with this. I think Trump's campaign needs to be constantly hammered on the support they get from white supremacists.

[JPhillips]

I can't imagine Ryan is in trouble, but oof:

Paul Ryan favorability rating among TRUMP VOTERS
Last week: +8 This week: -36