It Has Begun - NFL Week 1

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Not even the one where SF got an extra play and scored a TD as a result?

How about the one where they didn't call delay of game on the Packers and they proceeded to fumble it?

*Disclaimer: I was listening on the radio at the time, so I didn't see it. The 49ers radio play-by-play guys were exclaiming about how the refs let Rodgers get away with one loudly...then the 49ers got the ball. In fairness, they then proceeded to repeat (a lot) that the 49ers got really lucky that the refs let the play go off.

[Honolulu_Blue]

How the fuck was that Victor Cruz TD and TD and not Calvin Johnson's?!?!?!

[Lathum]

My wife decided she wants a Victor Cruz jersey this year. I told her a stipulation is every TD Cruz scores she has to do a salsa dance, so I am enjoying that at least.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by TroyF

1) If you look at the play from behind, he clearly isn't pushing the guy backward, he's shoving him toward the Bucs end zone. Watch where Smith falls.

2) It was UNNECESSARY. Using your logic, how on Earth is he going to stop the QB from going anywhere there? Look at the QB's step, he's headed out of bounds. He doesn't attempt to grab him and throw him backwards, he shoves him. He wasn't trying to save a yard, he was trying to get in a shot.

3) Even when he is chasing after him, it is clear that Smith is going out of bounds before he even picks up his left leg. He's on his way out, there is nowhere else for him to go. He's not cutting back in, it's filled with Bucs.

4) Again, this is a late hit if it's a RB, WR or QB. This same play happens about 5 or 6 times a game and about once in every 4 or 5 games some moron decides to take the shot and gets called for it 90% of the time.

5) I'll ask again, what does he have to gain here by putting his hands on the QB and shoving him? He had nothing to gain there and everything to lose. . . he lost. Hopefully he learns from it and becomes a better player. If he doesn't, that's on him.

It's one of those plays that 20 years ago would not be called because he was not yet out of bounds (foot not down) but everyone knows that is called now. There is nothing to gain by that shove, just trying to get a shot on QB. It's a boneheaded play and it cost his team the game.

It's not quite the punk move like Matthews though.

[Lathum]

thats a BS personal foul call.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

How the fuck was that Victor Cruz TD and TD and not Calvin Johnson's?!?!?!

You mean the play from like 3 years ago? Let it go...

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

You mean the play from like 3 years ago? Let it go...

I think he means the one from today

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

thats a BS personal foul call.

Not liking the new direction of the league.

Every player from the Buddy-ball years would have been kicked out of the league today (Bears defense and then Eagles defense).

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think he means the one from today

Ah, didn't see that one.

[EagleFan]

What sucks around here now is that all the Cowboys stuff that the bandwagon jumpers have been hiding will suddenly come out of their closets.

[EagleFan]

Unless we see another patented Romo choke.

[Lathum]

This probably makes me a dick, but I think it is karmic justice Pouncey tears up his knee for supporting that scumbag Aaron Hernandez.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think he means the one from today

Correct.

[hoopsguy]

Don't count on that gear coming out just yet ... that field goal there wasn't the stake through the heart needed to put Eli and Giants away for the evening.

[Lathum]

the sad thing is Eli has made some great throws today

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Lathum

This probably makes me a dick, but I think it is karmic justice Pouncey tears up his knee for supporting that scumbag Aaron Hernandez.

Agreed - on the karmic justice part, not on you being a dick for thinking that

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Lathum

My wife decided she wants a Victor Cruz jersey this year. I told her a stipulation is every TD Cruz scores she has to do a salsa dance, so I am enjoying that at least.

and now we have a problem, wife is in the process of nursing the baby

[tucker rocky]

What looked to be an ugly game from the beginning, has turned into quite an interesting one.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by tucker rocky

What looked to be an ugly game from the beginning, has turned into quite an interesting one.

It has, but the Giants defense is so gassed I think the only way they get a stop is if we get a Romo screw up.

Giants have no one to blame but themselves

[hoopsguy]

Let's see if this works the other way ...

Cowboys defense is so gassed I think the only way they keep G-Men out of end zone is if Eli falls down and hurts himself.

Cowboys have no one to blame but themselves.

[Lathum]

why you gotta wish injury on someone?

[hoopsguy]

Wasn't really asking for injury - more like taking a "Favre-into-Strahan" soft sack or three.

Nice dive, Giants punter. So weak.

[Lathum]

Here we go

[EagleFan]

I guess that was a fitting final nail based on how this game looked.

[Lathum]

I would like all the running backs replaced please.

[mckerney]

Well, I guess it might be good for the Giants that it was run back at least.

[cuervo72]

Zip-line camera got in the line of view nicely on that INT return. Stupid technology cluttering stuff up.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Well, I guess it might be good for the Giants that it was run back at least.

Serious glass half full outlook.

[EagleFan]

Let's see a touchdown and Giant's onside kick recovery to make it interesting.

[EagleFan]

Is it just me or are the Giants not exactly moving quickly to the line in this drive, kind of like they already have assumed loss. They could have saved about 25 seconds more if they played that right.

[mckerney]

Come on, at least want to see a final play hail mary here.

[hoopsguy]

I would be interested in seeing the Cowboys recover the kick.

[EagleFan]

Crud, thought the Giants had it for a second.

[mckerney]

Awww, that's no fun.

[EagleFan]

I actually picked them in the pool I am in but still hate seeing them win.

[Suicane75]

The last 5 pages of this thread is like the worst of sports talk radio, transcribed.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Except that he's not a running back, he's a quarterback.

After reading the rule again, I was wrong on this point. My bad.

[Logan]

I was very impressed by Eric Reid in that Niners-Packers game. He looked like a bullet coming out of the secondary on run support/short routes.

[cschex]

Originally Posted by Logan

I was very impressed by Eric Reid in that Niners-Packers game. He looked like a bullet coming out of the secondary on run support/short routes.

A lot of LSU fans were down on Eric Reid because he didn't have as good a Jr year as Soph yr. Of course he also didn't Mo Claiborne, Honey Badger or his other safety returning. He's an incredibly smart player to go with his physical talent and I think he'll be a stud in the NFL.

[Sun Tzu]

FWIW...this is what most 49ers fans have been saying since the league initially responded with "oh, sorry, you got an extra down!" It's nice to get some actual validation from the league. Completely bogus penalty on Staley, and Mathews should be suspended for 1 game for throwing punches.

NFL now says Packers, not 49ers, benefitted from officials’ mistake | ProFootballTalk

[Arles]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

They would have went for it on 4th down anyway, I doubt they kick the field goal there (which is why McCarthy took the penalty in the first place to move it to 3rd and 6 instead of 4th and 1).

It would have been 4th and 2 - not 4th and 1 so I doubt they go for it there.

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

How about the one where they didn't call delay of game on the Packers and they proceeded to fumble it?

I'm surprised this didn't come up - the play clock was clearly at 0 for a full second before Rodgers snapped it. Just like the above play, though, the accountability ultimately rests on McCarthy. He should have challenged or contested both plays and didn't.

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

FWIW...this is what most 49ers fans have been saying since the league initially responded with "oh, sorry, you got an extra down!" It's nice to get some actual validation from the league. Completely bogus penalty on Staley, and Mathews should be suspended for 1 game for throwing punches.

NFL now says Packers, not 49ers, benefitted from officials’ mistake | ProFootballTalk

That's kind of BS. You can't go back and say "well, I guuesss that wasn't REEALLY a personal foul against Staley - so the fact that we didn't know the rule on post-play offsetting penalties shouldn't matter."

There were a ton of plays where if you could go back, look at the tape and re-call the play it would benefit the Packers - from the letting the playclock expire before the Lacy fumble to the pushoff by Boldin. The play was called at the time two post-play personal fouls. They offset and it should have been 4th and 2 for SF (and a probable field goal). If the league's defense is "well, after reviewing the tape it looks like one personal foul wasn't quite as big of a foul - so just forget we didn't know the rules" - I'd say that's pretty weak.

In the end, though, McCarthy and his stuff deserve the blame for this game. They let two incorrect missed rule calls go (not challenging the play clock expiring and this personal foul botch) and ran a terrible zone defense all day against a QB who only threw to two players (Boldin and Davis).

[Logan]

I'm 95% sure the Niners would have gone for it there whether it was 4th and 1 or 4th and 2.

[TroyF]

I watched the play and the aftermath 5 or 6 times this morning. I think it should have been:

1) Personal foul on Mathews
2) Personal foul on Packer DB who shoved a 49er
3) Personal foul and ejection on Mathews for throwing a punch
4) Nothing on the Niners.

I didn't see anything more than a slight shove from any 49er that ran into the scrum, including Staley.

That said, Arles is right, the play may have been called incorrectly, but the rules interpretation was off and that benefited the 49ers.

From a "karma" perspective, I think the 49ers deserved it and won it all the way around. But the rules were not interpreted correctly on the field.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by Logan

I'm 95% sure the Niners would have gone for it there whether it was 4th and 1 or 4th and 2.

Yup, I doubt that extra yard would have changed the philosophy at all. If anything, the 49ers would have been more motivated to go for it, under the theory that they were "fired up" by the late hit and would have no issue getting the yard or two needed for the first.

[Logan]

Yeah Sun isn't speaking for me personally as a Niner fan with that comment. The one thing that the refs should always be able to get right is the application of the rules.

[RedKingGold]

Logan, we're all in this together. BAND OF BROTHERS!

(Disclaimer: Sun does not speak for me as well, I come off as enough of a jackass with my own comments).

[Julio Riddols]

Originally Posted by Logan

I was very impressed by Eric Reid in that Niners-Packers game. He looked like a bullet coming out of the secondary on run support/short routes.

I'll second that, looks like another strong addition to that defense. That sucks for non 49er fans.

[TroyF]

The NFL also gave an interpretation of the Bucs late hit play that showed the refs got it right.

It will be an interesting week on the NFL discipline front.

Mathews should get a MASSIVE fine and be put on probation.
Suh should get a full blown suspension.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Yup, I doubt that extra yard would have changed the philosophy at all. If anything, the 49ers would have been more motivated to go for it, under the theory that they were "fired up" by the late hit and would have no issue getting the yard or two needed for the first.

Then if they don't get it - you have a 7 point swing instead of just the 4 pointer for hitting the FG. It was a key decision that should not have been made incorrectly.

All that said, it happened in the second quarter and the Packers had plenty of chances to win that game even with that call going against them. McCarthy, Capers and the entire GB coaching staff did not come off well in this game. Still, GB was still winning on the road in the 4th quarter when Cobb, Nelson and Rodgers hadn't played one snap together in the preseason and 2 defensive back starters were out with injuries. The team will get better and there's no shame in losing a close one in SF.

[DaddyTorgo]

What'd the douchebag Suh do?