Official 2011-12 College Basketball Thread

[MJ4H]

Ask Butler.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Izulde

How's Rotnei doing btw?

He's sitting out the year at Butler. Will be eligible to play next year.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Penn State beats Boston College. Boston College is terrible to lose to that shit team.

Wake beats Nebraska. Nebraska must be DOUBLY terrible to lose to that even shittier team.

What happened with Dayton last night? I realize the BCS teams they beat weren't great, but to follow those up with 30 point loss at home to Buffalo came out of nowhere.

UMass had one of those vs. College of Charleston last Saturday, but the two excuses are that we ran out of gas with about 10 minutes left in our 4th game in 5 nights, and no 3-pointers were going down (4-28 I think). Although I fear the second one will happen multiple times in A-10 play.

(Re: BC - I might sound like a broken record at this point, but that's got to be the worst ACC team of all time. People can think I'm exaggerating due to my anti-BC feelings, but I'm sure a couple other ACC fans in here will catch some of their teams games vs. them this season and I feel confident they'll agree with me.)

[Radii]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

(Re: BC - I might sound like a broken record at this point, but that's got to be the worst ACC team of all time. People can think I'm exaggerating due to my anti-BC feelings, but I'm sure a couple other ACC fans in here will catch some of their teams games vs. them this season and I feel confident they'll agree with me.)

I'll be watching, but its going to take an unbelievable amount of suck to live up to the mid-80s Wake Forest teams.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Fo...etball#Seasons

Under head coach Bob Staak, 1985-86, 0-14 in ACC Play. Other seasons 2-12, 3-11, 3-11. That's the worst ACC basketball team in my lifetime I think. Looking forward to seeing how BC holds up!

[digamma]

BC and Utah may battle it out to be the worst Major Conference teams this season.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Radii

I'll be watching, but its going to take an unbelievable amount of suck to live up to the mid-80s Wake Forest teams.

Wake Forest Demon Deacons men's basketball - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Under head coach Bob Staak, 1985-86, 0-14 in ACC Play. Other seasons 2-12, 3-11, 3-11. That's the worst ACC basketball team in my lifetime I think. Looking forward to seeing how BC holds up!

Without knowing anything about the quality of their OOC schedule, it looks like those WF teams still went .500 or better OOC. BC is 2-5, with a high point total of 67 (against UNH) and their other win being in OT vs. UC-Riverside. 22 point loss to Holy Cross, 36 point loss at home to UMass, and double-digit losses at home to St. Louis and New Mexico. They did just keep Penn State within 8 though, so maybe they're improving

[Izulde]

Ah. Thanks, MJ4H and MBBF. Can't say I'm surprised. When I had him in class, I got the sense he wasn't very happy at the school.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Interesting transfer news. Rivals is reporting that Jabari Brown has asked the Mizzou coaching staff to accept him as a transfer after SDSU declined. Will be interesting to see if Mizzou decides to take him.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Dola

For the stat geeks out there, might want to read the SI power rankings each week. They do a great job of providing a huge amount of stats to show why they're performing well (or poorly)..........

Ohio State Buckeyes knock North Carolina Tar Heels out of top spot - Luke Winn - SI.com

[sterlingice]

(Without looking, is it safe to say Mizzou is higher than they are in any other ranking?)

SI

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Radii

I'll be watching, but its going to take an unbelievable amount of suck to live up to the mid-80s Wake Forest teams.

Under head coach Bob Staak, 1985-86, 0-14 in ACC Play. Other seasons 2-12, 3-11, 3-11. That's the worst ACC basketball team in my lifetime I think. Looking forward to seeing how BC holds up!

80 & 81 Georgia Tech was pretty bad, first two years in the ACC & the final two season under Dwayne Morrison.

8-18 & 4-23 overall, 1-13 and 0-14 in the ACC

The 11-14 OOC record is kind of misleading too, especially in the last season.

The 4 wins that year were over Flagler, University of the South (by 3), Presbyterian (by 3) and Newberry (by 7). Not a single D1 win all season

That's a special kind of suck right there, almost NJIT bad.

[jbergey22]

Washington completely pissed away the game to Nevada tonight. All they really needed to do was guard Burton and they were winning that game. Easier said than done I guess.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

(Without looking, is it safe to say Mizzou is higher than they are in any other ranking?)

SI

No, they are higher in some other rankings.

[digamma]

This is a pretty fun game to watch. Kentucky by 1 with 47.7 left.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

No, they are higher in some other rankings.

Are you as shocked as I am at their start?

[cartman]

Texas - UCLA this afternoon. The Horns look to get their first road win.

[Radii]

I started UNC/Kentucky late, fun game, congrats to Kentucky. I have to say though that I'm fucking appalled at how the game ended. In the 5 seconds after Henson's shot was blocked and Kentucky came down with it I had time to shout "FOUL. FOUL! FOUL! FOUL????" about 10 times while the UNC players stood around doing nothing.

The other issue I have is that the play was to go inside to Zeller. Kentucky closed down on Zeller all day. He got some points and he played hard on defense, but he lost the ball in the post countless times. I know UNC has a lot of good players but IMO there should never be a time when UNC is down by 1 with 15 seconds to go and the play doesn't begin with a pass to Harrison Barnes. We just have too much of a history of Barnes thriving at the end of games. Just get it to Barnes. *especially* when your post guys are collapsed on and harassed every time they touch the ball for 40 minutes.


Ah well, its December, but damn I wanted that to be a win!!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Are you as shocked as I am at their start?

Sure, you have to be surprised. We've known this talent is there with Denmon, English, and Ratliffe. I think we assumed that they'd never reach their full potential. But I don't think that we fully realized just how badly Anderson underutilized those three players. These guys are thriving in a different system.

Haith's strength has always been recruiting. His coaching was called into question due to what happened at Miami. We'll see what happens, but it appears that a new staff and new school might have given him the new start he needed.

[mauchow]

Wisconsin gets knocked out at the Kohl Center against in state Rival Marquette. Bad game all around for Wisconsin. Marquette looks pretty tough this year. They shouldn't have a problem repeating what they did last year at least.

At least the football team won tonight.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Sure, you have to be surprised. We've known this talent is there with Denmon, English, and Ratliffe. I think we assumed that they'd never reach their full potential. But I don't think that we fully realized just how badly Anderson underutilized those three players. These guys are thriving in a different system.

Haith's strength has always been recruiting. His coaching was called into question due to what happened at Miami. We'll see what happens, but it appears that a new staff and new school might have given him the new start he needed.

We can only hope. I'll wait for more quality wins, but I'm happy as can be right now with this team and this coach.

Heck, I'm happy with SLU too.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

We can only hope. I'll wait for more quality wins, but I'm happy as can be right now with this team and this coach.

Heck, I'm happy with SLU too.

Majerus has been stirring the pot in the STL media of late. He's trying to bait Mizzou into a matchup. We'll see whether Haith decides to do so. I don't think it would hurt recruiting in that area to play SLU. We recruit KC very well. Probably want to hit STL a bit more now that our conference opponents are all to our east.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Majerus has been stirring the pot in the STL media of late. He's trying to bait Mizzou into a matchup. We'll see whether Haith decides to do so. I don't think it would hurt recruiting in that area to play SLU. We recruit KC very well. Probably want to hit STL a bit more now that our conference opponents are all to our east.

I would love it. I still believe Mizzou would beat them by 15+ but who knows?

[Izulde]

UNLV loses 89-70 to Wichita State for its first defeat of the season. Couldn't play defense and couldn't our offense untracked in the second half.

Not a horrible loss. Last year's NIT champions, returned most of their key players, a very tough court to be the away team in.

Plus, Wichita State needed to win this game to boost their NCAA tournament profile, so they were really hungry for it.

Basically a learning experience for the Runnin' Rebels. Maybe it drops us out the Top 25, maybe not. But it's not going to have the impact on our season that the Shockers losing would have had on theirs.

[digamma]

So, a top 25 ranking heading into a Thursday match-up with UConn. #nicewhileitlasted

[Lathum]

UW has a chance for a nice win tonight with some good national exposure. They have the athletes to run with Marquette, we just need to play smart.

Also, I can watch that Jimmy V speech a hundred times and every time I well up.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Incredible to see Mizzou play by far their worst game of the season and STILL beat 'Nova in the Garden by 10 points. Cardo continues to play extremely well and Marcus Denmon is putting together an All-American season thus far. Phil Pressey had 12 assists as well.

Three 'cupcakes' at home before the Braggin' Rights game on Dec. 22nd. That could be an undefeated matchup between MU and Illinois if Illinois can beat UNLV.

[Lathum]

Mizzou looks really nasty

[Lathum]

We should have won tonight. Can't help but feel like we got screwed by the refs. 27-10 disadvantage in free throws is a joke

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Incredible to see Mizzou play by far their worst game of the season and STILL beat 'Nova in the Garden by 10 points. Cardo continues to play extremely well and Marcus Denmon is putting together an All-American season thus far. Phil Pressey had 12 assists as well.

Three 'cupcakes' at home before the Braggin' Rights game on Dec. 22nd. That could be an undefeated matchup between MU and Illinois if Illinois can beat UNLV.

I was flipping back and forth between the Mizzou game and the Blues game. This team looks good.. kudos to Mr. Haith.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

We should have won tonight. Can't help but feel like we got screwed by the refs. 27-10 disadvantage in free throws is a joke

I dunno - Marquette was regularly driving to the hoop while we were much more of a jump-shooting team. Sometimes a free throw disparity is simply reflecting the difference in how teams play, not some screw-job by the refs.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Lathum

We should have won tonight. Can't help but feel like we got screwed by the refs. 27-10 disadvantage in free throws is a joke

Welcome to what the other nine teams feel like going to Hec

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Gabe DeArmond tweets confirmation that Jabari Brown will be at the Navy-Missouri game in Columbia this weekend. Sounds like the staff has mutual interest if he's visiting.

Expect a quick decision so he'd be eligible by the 2nd semester next year.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Lathum

We should have won tonight. Can't help but feel like we got screwed by the refs. 27-10 disadvantage in free throws is a joke

That didnt help but either did them not finding a way to keep Wilcox in the game late. Its great that they have a lot of scoring options but its not so great when some of the good options ignore the great scoring option late in close games. I felt like in both of their last 2 losses Wilcox needed the ball more late in the games.

[Buccaneer]

I find it slightly amusing that for all but 8 years between 1960 and 1989, I lived in 3 of the current top 4 teams (SU, UNC and UK).

[Lathum]

Illinois and St. Bonaventure have combined for 13 second half points 11 minutes in.

[JonInMiddleGA]

What's the good word?

[molson]

Bernie Fine might overshadow Syracuse's best team ever. It's possible. The 2003 championship team had Syracuse's best player ever, but that team didn't have close to depth of this one. I've never seen Boeheim use his bench like this, he's going 10-deep.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

What happened with Dayton last night? I realize the BCS teams they beat weren't great, but to follow those up with 30 point loss at home to Buffalo came out of nowhere.

UMass had one of those vs. College of Charleston last Saturday, but the two excuses are that we ran out of gas with about 10 minutes left in our 4th game in 5 nights, and no 3-pointers were going down (4-28 I think). Although I fear the second one will happen multiple times in A-10 play.

Sorry I missed this last week. UD played a game too close to the end of the Old Spice tournament they won is what happened. I don't know if they would've beaten anyone. They didn't look interested in the game at all, they looked exhausted and frankly were terrible.

Then they went on the road and absorbed a largely expected loss against a good Murray State team. If Murray State beats Memphis this weekend, they may only lose 1 or 2 games this year.

THEN last night, UD shows up strong again against a good and ranked Alabama team led into town by UD '87 grad Anthony Grant. Dayton was up 17 in the 2nd half, then 'Bama cut it to 4... but the Flyers hit a couple of key 3 pointers and won by 12 or so. Not completely unexpected, as the Flyers almost EXPECT to beat any teams from the BCS at this point. They are something like 15-5 in the last 20 vs. teams from BCS conferences. Flyers were something like 10-19 from 3, and shot over 60% overall for the game. That'll beat nearly anyone.

This team is crazy. Never know what to expect from night to night.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Illinois and St. Bonaventure have combined for 13 second half points 11 minutes in.

Burn the film, glad to see Illini escape with a win in a "trap" game between Gonzaga and UNLV.

[Butter]

As an A-10 homer, was sorry to see the Bonnies choke that game away. I mean, you hold a team under 50 points, you should win it.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Not completely unexpected, as the Flyers almost EXPECT to beat any teams from the BCS at this point. They are something like 15-5 in the last 20 vs. teams from BCS conferences. Flyers were something like 10-19 from 3, and shot over 60% overall for the game. That'll beat nearly anyone.

This team is crazy. Never know what to expect from night to night.

FWIW.....the BCS teams that they're beating are mostly second or third-tier schools. Their bigger problem has been that while they get some wins against name schools, they piss away that momentum by losing to teams they should be beating. That will kill your RPI. They should have beat Miami (OH) and Murray State. Those losses negate what the team does against BCS schools.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

FWIW.....the BCS teams that they're beating are mostly second or third-tier schools. Their bigger problem has been that while they get some wins against name schools, they piss away that momentum by losing to teams they should be beating. That will kill your RPI. They should have beat Miami (OH) and Murray State. Those losses negate what the team does against BCS schools.

I don't disagree with this. They schedule what BCS teams they can, which are mostly lower-half teams.

Dayton has had an ongoing problem with resume-killing losses. They usually have 1 or 2 quality wins per year out of conference, but then they will turn around and lose games they shouldn't, ESPECIALLY in conference, but this year OOC.

I don't think Murray State will be the killer this year, but Miami (OH) and losing to Buffalo at home by 29 is REALLY not helping. That's why a lot of these teams like us are middle-tier mid-major schools. Dayton won't progress to the next level until they can gain some sort of consistency as a program.

Take Xavier as a good example. They have now reached a level of consistency where BCS teams will play road games there, because they know that Xavier is not going to be a RPI sub-100 loss at the end of the year if they lose. Xavier has a great schedule every year, and more often than not the talent to match it. Teams like Dayton and UMass just aren't there yet... but the blueprint is there.

[Butter]

Several years ago, UD had a couple of buy-road games at UNC and at Duke. UNC killed us, but we lost to Duke by only about 10. So I am by no means saying that Dayton being 15-5 vs. the BCS is some sort of predictor of success versus actual quality BCS teams. But we also did beat Pitt when they were top-10 4 years ago, and then you have the Alabama game last night. So we are capable at times, especially at home.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Several years ago, UD had a couple of buy-road games at UNC and at Duke. UNC killed us, but we lost to Duke by only about 10. So I am by no means saying that Dayton being 15-5 vs. the BCS is some sort of predictor of success versus actual quality BCS teams. But we also did beat Pitt when they were top-10 4 years ago, and then you have the Alabama game last night. So we are capable at times, especially at home.

I've always been of the opinion that a lot of big wins aren't that important. Taking care of the ones you shouldn't lose, especially in-conference games, is the best way to ensure consistent success.

[Atocep]

WVU with a nice road win over K-State 85-80 in double OT. 5 Freshman get more than 20 minutes of playing time. Kevin Jones with 30 and 12.

[Kodos]

Big game for Indiana hosting Kentucky on Saturday. Hopefully we have improved enough to give them a game. I think we have a way to go before we can really hang with the top teams though.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Atocep

WVU with a nice road win over K-State 85-80 in double OT. 5 Freshman get more than 20 minutes of playing time. Kevin Jones with 30 and 12.

Nothing says love like a good 'what the f#$@ are you doing' speech on national TV. Martin is a schmuck........

Frank Martin Got A Bit Upset At The End Of Kansas State's 2-OT Loss To West Virginia

The new SI power poll is out. Love the center analysis on Kentucky and North Carolina........

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...?sct=cb_t12_a1

[Chief Rum]

Reeves Nelson officially kicked off the UCLA squad. The rest of the Pac 12 rejoices.