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following up on this according to the coach, Williams was the #15 on their Big Board and apparantly when Williams was in for a pre-draft workout for them, Coach told him he'd get taken at their pick in the second round if he lasted that long. They liked that he never fumbled during his college career-given Hightower's struggles there last season, and Beanie Wells being injury prone the pick makes a little more sense-but then again Williams is coming off an injury himself. |
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04-29-2011, 08:39 PM | #352 | |
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The Lions will have a pass rush. As for DB's... I'll jump out the window if, tomorrow, Detroit grabs a TE. |
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04-29-2011, 09:09 PM | #353 |
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Yup that was the Raiders overpaying for a fast guy with no other discernible skills whatsoever... I guess at least they waited until the third round this time.
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04-29-2011, 09:27 PM | #354 |
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Stanzi will be a four rounder at best. If I'm a QB needy team, I would really look for him here.
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04-30-2011, 12:15 AM | #355 |
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A double slap in the face to the Vikings if Mallet turns out. I always love the Pats drafts. They get value in everything they do. Even if Mallet is a complete bust they were basically given this pick from the Vikings so why not take the chance on a huge upside QB like Mallet. Last edited by jbergey22 : 04-30-2011 at 12:16 AM. |
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I know I would be put up for blasphemy by the pundits for saying this, but I don't see how the NFL network can keep saying New England had a great draft. They had 6 picks in the top 3 rounds and didn't get a pass rusher, even though many quality pass rushers were available (and a handful still remain). But, with no 4th round picks and just one 5th rounder, it's unlikely they have a chance to get one.
If the Browns or Raiders had the pass rush deficiencies the Pats did last season and drafted all depth (but no pass rush) with 6 picks - they be drawn and quartered by the media. Yet, all we hear from Michael Lombardi and John Gruden is how much of a genius Belichick is. Hey, maybe the ghost of Charles Haley will sign and the Pats will have a great pass rush, but I just can't understand this draft for them. The tackle was a nice pick, but after that I don't see how 2 depth HBs, a backup QB and a dime DB are "great value" in the next 2 rounds. Last edited by Arles : 04-30-2011 at 12:30 AM. |
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04-30-2011, 08:27 AM | #358 |
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If Bowers can get healthy Tampa may end up having the best top 3 rounds. a lot of people don't know about Mason Foster, but the kid is a tackle machine with a motor that doesn't quit.
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04-30-2011, 08:31 AM | #359 | |
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You could've said the exact same thing last year. The dime DB they picked up, along with some TEs, were pretty savvy choices. But they did miss out on Pre-Draft All-Pros Jerry Hughes and Sergio Kindle.
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I think it helps that Manning is there. If they have even an above average QB, it doesn't look so good. If Stafford would stay healthy, the Lions will look brilliant as well. I guess I just don't see how the Lions saw no CB, or LB worth taking and they were obviously willing to trade up to get a guy. I understand the importance of the 2nd RB for what the Lions need right now, but I just wouldn't of used a 2nd round pick to fill that need. You grab starters in round 2 and not people who rotate in. They picked two players in the 2nd round and neither will be on the field full time. Here's an article defending the picks. 2011 NFL Draft Results: Detroit Lions Use Draft Day 2 to Fill Underrated Needs | Bleacher Report
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04-30-2011, 10:57 AM | #361 | |
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This year didn't make any sense. They needed depth at the interior OL, a tackle, multiple pass rushers, wide receivers and a between the tackles HB. Instead, they got a Faulk/Woodhead clone (Vereen), a backup QB, a dime CB and two solid picks (Solder and HB Ridley). But, even if all these guys pan out, only the HB has a chance to really help next season. Atleast last year they got multiple guys that could help the team. As it stands now, they're going to have to keep 4-5 HBs just to keep the HBs they drafted. And, the team still has major issues at pass rusher, interior OL depth and wide receiver. I understand the "best player available", but you also have to have some idea on how the best-case of that player helps you win games. The Packers could have had Andy Dalton as the BPA when they picked at 32, but drafting him would have been silly when they have Rodgers and a gaping hole at tackle (with 2-3 nice options at tackle also available). I think you can give some benefit to the Pats because of prior history, but I don't see anyway that this current draft isn't a poor one when you consider their chances the next couple of seasons to win the Super Bowl. |
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04-30-2011, 11:12 AM | #362 |
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It seems to me that Dowling will be more than a dime CB. I love that pick. Between the two HBs, Woodhead and BJGE (if brought back) the running game should continue to be effective. I don't see the need at WR. They've got Branch, Welker, Tate, Edelman and I would imagine they want to get Price a chance to see what he's got.
I agree the pass rush (which was middle of the pack last year) needs improvement, but I wouldn't be surprised if Belichick didn't like the options available where we drafted and figured that he'd try to address it in FA instead. Belichick certainly has confidence in his ability to rate players and doesn't reach for need.
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Hello 5th round. He's basically being viewed as a 3rd string QB.
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04-30-2011, 12:40 PM | #364 | |
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I've been out and I am not in love with the second round but I don't hate it. There were no LB's or DB's worth taking when we took Young. Brandon Harris is 5'9 and we already have Smith at 5'7. Lions want bigger DB's so no one fit the bill there. There are LB's in FA they can get though it's hard to predict how FA will go. Trading up for LeShoure was odd but Linehan has been pretty good at getting guys involved so I'll trust it. I'd just rather not draft guy because he could help us out at DB or LB. Next thing you know it's 2-3 years later and the guy is no better then what you had and it's back to square one. We can probably find a DB in FA who would make as much impact as any DB we'd have taken in the second in my opinion. |
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I guess I just wished they waited until the 3rd round. They traded up twice into the 1st and 2nd rounds to get guys who will split time at RB. As somebody who had watched the Lions for far too long, they pretty much never go after CB and have a horrid secondary and it's frustrating to watch. Stanzi to KC. Nice pick up for a backup QB.
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04-30-2011, 02:14 PM | #366 |
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New England usually knows what they're doing with TEs so I'm really surprised they took Lee Smith. They must see something there but he was absolutely awful last season at Marshall. He can block pretty well but that is literally it. Some of the worst hands I've seen on a tight end and runs like a 330lb tackle.
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04-30-2011, 02:18 PM | #367 |
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I'm glad Angelo decided the bears need a 3rd string QB more than depth on the OLine, at LB, or WR.
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04-30-2011, 02:18 PM | #368 |
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Don't know anything about him, but I imagine a blocking tight end is all they're looking for there. Would replace Crumpler, I guess.
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04-30-2011, 04:24 PM | #369 |
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Excited to see the Pack take Ricky Elmore. I watched him all season and he reminded me a ton of Teddy Bruschi. Had 11 sacks last season, was never hurt and always seemed to make a big play. He's not a "numbers" guy that will wow you at the combine, but it wouldn't surprise me if he ends up taking a bunch of snaps opposite Clay Matthews this season as an OLB pass rusher.
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04-30-2011, 04:49 PM | #370 |
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Cecil Shorts became the highest selection for a Division III player in the NFL draft in the seven-round era, going 114th overall to the Jacksonville Jaguars and ending a two-year D-III draft drought. There hadn't been a Division III football player drafted by an NFL team since Pierre Garcon and Andy Studebaker were taken two spots apart in 2008. Of the past 10 Division III players drafted, just one had gone any earlier than the sixth round: UW-Stout cornerback Tony Beckham, who was selected in the fourth round, 115th overall, in 2002. One hundred fifty-seven players will be selected in Saturday's final four rounds. Shorts, a three-time D3football.com All-America selection, caught 70 passes for 1,196 yards and 18 touchdowns for the Purple Raiders last season, leading them to the Stagg Bowl for the sixth consecutive year. He even played quarterback and a little on defense in Mount Union's title-game loss to UW-Whitewater. Worth noting that Garcon went to Mt. Union too. They've been to 10 national title games in the last 11 years winning six of them. Last edited by Young Drachma : 04-30-2011 at 04:52 PM. |
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Kinda stunned that Kai Forbath hasn't been picked. Maybe he should have left last year when he was a 4th or 5th round pick
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Very glad to hear that about Foster...we've been hoping for a LB like this for a while, hope he turns out as you think he might. |
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04-30-2011, 05:36 PM | #373 |
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Nice pick the 'Phins made with Edmund Gates in the 4th round, I think. Still going to be a long, long year next season.
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Mount Union has a really good football program and it is surprising that they don't have more people drafted. Nice school, but Alliance Ohio is such a shitty town.
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04-30-2011, 08:34 PM | #375 | |
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With a pair of catching TEs on the roster, my guess is he's intended as a blocking TE and maybe FB to help the running game.
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04-30-2011, 10:38 PM | #376 | |
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Brilliant move by Belichick trading pick 193 for pick 194. |
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04-30-2011, 11:10 PM | #377 |
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I'm glad the Bills went so heavy on the secondary...Heaven knows they dont need Offensive linemen and a pass catching te...... Brian Brohm is going to be starting by game 10 thanks to the human turnstiles they have on the line...
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05-01-2011, 08:38 AM | #378 |
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I'm probably as guilty as anyone of this, but this season's aberrant setup seems to have magnified the usual "the draft is on an island" mentality.
I really disagree with the notion that unless a particular team spends its 4th, 5th, 5th, and 7th round picks on supposed "need" positions, that it has clearly shirked its responsibilities. In an ordinary year (and in the final analysis, we still ought to expect some facsimile of one) a team addresses its needs through free agents and post-draft rookies as well as draft picks per se... and the success rates of after-draft rookies is not that much different than that of late round draft picks. If my team really needs a fullback to step in and play for this year (for instance), I'm going to try to resist the temptation to get irate that they don't draft that guy in round six of this draft. Even though it sort of feels that way right now, that is really not the most promising way to acquire the guy they're looking for. |
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I really wish they would shorten the draft to 100 or so picks. IMO it would be more fair for on the bubble players to have a choice of where they can make a team.
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Like Quiksand points out, anything after the 3rd round is a crapshoot, so I liked the Marcus Cannon pick - why not go with a guy who had a late 1st/2nd-round grade and a huge injury question (but one that can be overcome instead of a degenerative condition). The TE, OLB and DB probably won't help, but only 10-20% of 6th/7th rounders even make a roster. Mallett is a project, and it looks a little odd with a backup they like (most say more than Matt Cassell) in Brian Hoyer, but Hoyer will be a UFA before Brady retires - I think in 2013, although I could be off. If Mallett performs well on and off the field once he gets in New England, Hoyer can probably be the one traded for a 2 or a 3 in the next 2 years. At OT I know local people wanted Castonzo, but I'm sure the Patriots have seen plenty of him, so if they took Solder I'll trust them. He definitely has more upside if he can keep his weight up (kind of odd for an OL to have issues with that instead of the other way around ). Final note - got to love the 6th round trade there to keep the streak alive of 11 straight years of trades between the Pats and Eagles. |
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We don't really need linemen. They drafted Eric Wood and Andy Levitre in the first and second round in 2009, and both are developing into good players. Throw in Geoff Hangartner and were set inside. We needed a RT, and Harriston may fit the bill (Who might be great value at getting picked in the 4th round). If the FA market opens up at all, they could find a veteran or so. But our young line will be a year older and have a QB that isn't a full-on headcase. TE is a need, but I wasn't exactly wowed by any of them in the draft. |
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after re reading this thread and my own thoughts as well, I just have to bump this. It has been only 1 year but I can't get over what Cam has done this season. I was fucking pissed when they took him, I still am not sure if I like him as a human or not (granted he has been well behaved so far) but holy shit after one season I have to eat my hat.
Greatest rookie season by a QB ever.
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I'm always worried when I see a thread like this bumped and hope I didn't say anything to bad. I stand by what I say about our 2 picks, turned out pretty much how I expected. We were able to get some solid players late in the draft as Martez Wilson and Johnny Patrick have looked great the past few games. Reggie is gone, Sproles is in- and we're a lot better team. (Only 6 fumbles all year for our team, Reggie normally had that by week 10). Count me in on those who thought Cam would be a huge flop, but he's looked great. Time will tell how he does for his career, a lot of players come in and do great their first year then kind of trail off- I don't know if he'll do that, I mean he has all the tools right now. |
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I'll do the same, with the reservation that I still want to see him have continued success next year with an offseason of teams breaking down his film and scheming against him. I think when you have such a unique talent, you have to give the opposition a chance to adjust before declaring someone a star. Of course, any adjustments could be outweighed by his continued development as a passer. I'd say the odds are very heavily in his favor at this point though, IMO. |
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Cam had an impressive rookie campaign but I'm not ready to get him fitted for a yellow jacket just yet.
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I was wrong. and thank god I was wrong. Still not completely sold on him as he fell off towards the end of the season, but it was fun seeing some good QB play from the Panthers for the first time in a while. |
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I still think Williams will be a very good back in the league. He was poised for a big role.
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Just bumping this thread in advance of the super bowl. Some epic posts in the first 3-4 pages.
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Cam Newton (1)
Blaine Gabbert (10) <--- Even Mizzou fans saw this bust coming JJ Watt (11) <--- Just for reference on Gabbert at 10 Andy Dalton (35) Colin Kaepernick (36) Ryan Mallet (74) TJ Yates (152) <--- Started a playoff game right? :-) Tyrod Taylor (180) Newton seems to be worth the pick and the AJ Green/Dalton combo pick might be the best combo of the draft. Last edited by panerd : 01-25-2016 at 02:17 PM. |
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had to go back and read my take on Cam.
Was surprised I was as measured as I was. I legitimately thought he was JR 2.0. Been surprised by him, also have enjoyed seeing him mature and have fun playing the game. |
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The only post I could find of mine about Newton.
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The Cam stuff was fun, but also was interesting to read all the negative takes on Atlanta trading up to draft Julio Jones. Now granted, they still need defensive help, but that may have been the smartest thing the Falcons have done in the draft in the last 5 years.
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