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Old 03-04-2008, 05:12 PM   #351
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I'm curious how the Duckett signing filters down roster wise for Seattle. I'm assuming this might mean the end of Maurice Morris (with Weaver filling in his role of a receiver out of the backfield). Either way, should go a long ways to helping out their short yardage percentage which was awful last season.
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Old 03-04-2008, 08:26 PM   #352
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Good deal for TJ. I liked him this year with the Lions. He ran pretty well when given the chance.

I really don't know what the Lions are planning on doing. I guess Julius Jones was in town meeting with the Lions. I can't see him being much an upgrade over Kevin Jones (other than Kevin Jones has suffered a number of serious injuries).

I think they will draft a RB. Somebody like Tashard Choice or Kevin Smith might be available in the 3rd round, or they could get Ray Rice in the 2nd round maybe.
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Old 03-04-2008, 09:50 PM   #353
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Raiders shell out $55 million for Javon Walker with $16 million guaranteed.

$105 million with roughly $34 million in guaranteed money for 2 guys with leg issues. Nice use of $.

Just because you found $100 million under the couch cushions Al doesn't mean you mean to spend it.
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Old 03-04-2008, 09:56 PM   #354
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Raiders shell out $55 million for Javon Walker with $16 million guaranteed.

$105 million with roughly $34 million in guaranteed money for 2 guys with leg issues. Nice use of $.

Just because you found $100 million under the couch cushions Al doesn't mean you mean to spend it.


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Old 03-04-2008, 10:19 PM   #355
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Raiders shell out $55 million for Javon Walker with $16 million guaranteed.

$105 million with roughly $34 million in guaranteed money for 2 guys with leg issues. Nice use of $.

Just because you found $100 million under the couch cushions Al doesn't mean you mean to spend it.

Good for Javon. Can't wait to see him trying to talk his way off another team in two years like he did with Green Bay and Denver. He got another crap load of money though.

Raiders are dumb.
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Old 03-05-2008, 03:36 AM   #356
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Raiders also signed T Kwame Harris who was a bust with the 49ers. The massive amounts of money aside, I'm happy the Raiders are at least putting in the effort to try improve the team. Will it work out? Who knows, but after the last five years why not try something. The organization likely won't be able to get back to where it once was until Al Davis is no longer the controlling owner, but perhaps throwing all this money around will lead to a little bit of luck and a decent season or two until then. Bottom line is they had to overpay to bring in talent because of the current reputation of the franchise, so I'd rather overpay and maybe be competitive and win 7 or 8 games.

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Old 03-05-2008, 05:43 AM   #357
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Raiders also signed T Kwame Harris who was a bust with the 49ers. The massive amounts of money aside, I'm happy the Raiders are at least putting in the effort to try improve the team. Will it work out? Who knows, but after the last five years why not try something. The organization likely won't be able to get back to where it once was until Al Davis is no longer the controlling owner, but perhaps throwing all this money around will lead to a little bit of luck and a decent season or two until then. Bottom line is they had to overpay to bring in talent because of the current reputation of the franchise, so I'd rather overpay and maybe be competitive and win 7 or 8 games.

But sometimes doing nuthin' is better than what the Raiders did with the money. There are better ways of splashing out the cash.
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Old 03-05-2008, 08:43 AM   #358
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Yessir, the Bears alleviate their WR problems by signing.......wait for it.....Marty Booker.

2 year deal.
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Old 03-05-2008, 09:03 AM   #359
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I don't mind that signing so much if they didn't overspend and they draft a good prospect.
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Old 03-05-2008, 09:29 AM   #360
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Oh I don't mind it. Booker has prolly got a couple good years left in him, and has better hands than Moose or Berrian. Not a real deep threat, but a servicable vet possession guy.

I just find it increasingly disgusting that they haven't done ANYTHING in free agency to date to alleviate the gaping holes all over the field.

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Old 03-05-2008, 09:43 AM   #361
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Yeah, I'm suprised they didn't go after Turner and Faneca.

Getting a pick for Griese was excellent, though.
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Old 03-05-2008, 09:47 AM   #362
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I will miss Brian Griese. He was one of the Lions' MVPs last year. He was pretty much directly responsible for 2 of their 7 wins.
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Old 03-05-2008, 09:56 AM   #363
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I will miss Brian Griese. He was one of the Lions' MVPs last year. He was pretty much directly responsible for 2 of their 7 wins.

I'm sure Sexy Rexy or Orton will be just as good for you guys.
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Old 03-05-2008, 10:25 AM   #364
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People seem to think the NFC North is there for the taking now, with Favre retiring. Guys on the NFL Network yesterday seemed to think the Packers are .500 at best now. Of course they said that last year too....
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Old 03-05-2008, 10:37 AM   #365
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I'm sure Sexy Rexy or Orton will be just as good for you guys.

You would think that, but...

Sexy Rexy is 2-0 in his career against the Lions:

His combined stats in those games: 40/63, 486 YDS, 4TD/0 Int.

Orton is 2-0 in his career against the Lions:

His combined stats in those games: 31/52, 380 YDS, 2TD/0 Int.

Last year, Griese was 0-2 against the Lions:

His combined stats in those games: 66/92, 494 YDS, 3 TD/7 Int.


Griese will be missed.
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Old 03-05-2008, 10:39 AM   #366
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People seem to think the NFC North is there for the taking now, with Favre retiring. Guys on the NFL Network yesterday seemed to think the Packers are .500 at best now.

Let's hope they're right! Enough of the Packers always competing for the NFC North championship. It's LIONS TIME!!!!
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Old 03-05-2008, 11:01 AM   #367
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I think that Tampa Bay could take this division, if it was the year 2000.
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Old 03-05-2008, 11:18 AM   #368
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You would think that, but...

Sexy Rexy is 2-0 in his career against the Lions:

His combined stats in those games: 40/63, 486 YDS, 4TD/0 Int.

Orton is 2-0 in his career against the Lions:

His combined stats in those games: 31/52, 380 YDS, 2TD/0 Int.

Last year, Griese was 0-2 against the Lions:

His combined stats in those games: 66/92, 494 YDS, 3 TD/7 Int.


Griese will be missed.

With nobody to throw to except a couple of TEs and a return specialist and a piss poor running game EVEN the Lions should be excited to see the Bears on the opposite sideline.

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Old 03-05-2008, 01:43 PM   #369
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Falcons released Joey Harrington.

We can assume he is now highly coveted by Tampa Bay

Although he would be an upgrade in Chicago as well.
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Old 03-05-2008, 01:44 PM   #370
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Falcons released Joey Harrington.

We can assume he is now highly coveted by Tampa Bay

Although he would be an upgrade in Chicago as well.

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Old 03-05-2008, 01:47 PM   #371
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So, this leaves the Falcons with Chris Redman and DJ Shockley?

Ouch.

Edit: Then again the adding Joey Harrington to that duo really doesn't improve things.
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Old 03-05-2008, 01:48 PM   #372
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So, this leaves the Falcons with Chris Redman and DJ Shockley?

Ouch.

Edit: Then again the adding Joey Harrington to that duo really doesn't improve things.

Matt Ryan probably.
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Old 03-05-2008, 01:49 PM   #373
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Too bad Petrino didn't stay...he'd be able to draft Brohm.
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Old 03-05-2008, 01:50 PM   #374
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Matt Ryan probably.

Probably. But I can't see that going all that well. I mean, he's got to be the starter by Game 4, no?
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Old 03-05-2008, 02:09 PM   #375
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Probably. But I can't see that going all that well. I mean, he's got to be the starter by Game 4, no?

Given that Redman & Shockley (and whatever veteran FA they add to the group) will likely be on IR by Game 4 thanks to the state of the offensive line, yeah, the rookie will probably be starting by then. Although in D.J.'s case, it's a coin toss whether he even makes it that far (knee injury as a backup in '03 missed half a season, strained MCL in '05 missed 2 1/2 games in his only season as a starter, ACL & MCL injury last year in preseason missed entire year).

And let's face it, these are the Falcons we're talking about. Whatever QB they draft is destined to become the next Joey Harrington.
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Old 03-05-2008, 02:33 PM   #376
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Was Steve Bartkowski the last good throwing quarterback that Atlanta had? I mean, besides Brett Favre.
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Old 03-05-2008, 05:12 PM   #377
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Chris Chandler wasn't bad when healthy (admittedly that was a very rare thing).
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Old 03-05-2008, 05:14 PM   #378
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So, this leaves the Falcons with Chris Redman and DJ Shockley?

Ouch.

Edit: Then again the adding Joey Harrington to that duo really doesn't improve things.

It's ok. They plan to lure Brett Favre out of retirement .
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Old 03-05-2008, 05:17 PM   #379
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Probably. But I can't see that going all that well. I mean, he's got to be the starter by Game 4, no?

Game 1, seemingly. Although Daunte Culpepper is still available, right?
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Old 03-05-2008, 10:39 PM   #380
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After seeing a couple of the contract breakdowns of the Raiders acquisitions, I think both the media and fans get way too carried away with initial contract numbers. Saying someone signed for X amount of years and X amount of dollars really is not an accurate way to evaluate anything in the NFL because of the lack of most of the money being guaranteed.

A couple examples. Kwame Harris signed a 3 year 16 million dollar deal yesterday. Seemingly too much for someone who was not a good starter with the 49ers. Well, his contract actually equates to a 1 year deal for 3 million. None of the money in year two or three is guaranteed, so if he turns it around they can restructure and keep him, if he busts they can cut him with very little financial harm done.

Javon Walker signed a 6 year, 50 million with 16 million guaranteed. His contract actually equates to a 2 year deal worth 16 million. The signing bonus is 6 million and his salaries in year one and two are guaranteed at 5 million a piece taking care of all of the guaranteed money. Is he still overpaid at 8 million a year for two seasons? Most likely, but its still a more reasonable deal. I don't know the breakdown, but its probably similar with Tommy Kelly and Gibril Wilson.

I'm not trying to evaluate these signings, I just happen to follow this team, so I know more specifics. I would guess that most of the contracts signed by other players with other teams are similar.

My point is that free agent signings should be evaluated by the talent a teams adds and the needs they address. the uproar from individuals over money that will most likely never even be seen by the player is ridiculous.

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Old 03-06-2008, 11:06 AM   #381
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After seeing a couple of the contract breakdowns of the Raiders acquisitions, I think both the media and fans get way too carried away with initial contract numbers. Saying someone signed for X amount of years and X amount of dollars really is not an accurate way to evaluate anything in the NFL because of the lack of most of the money being guaranteed.

A couple examples. Kwame Harris signed a 3 year 16 million dollar deal yesterday. Seemingly too much for someone who was not a good starter with the 49ers. Well, his contract actually equates to a 1 year deal for 3 million. None of the money in year two or three is guaranteed, so if he turns it around they can restructure and keep him, if he busts they can cut him with very little financial harm done.

Javon Walker signed a 6 year, 50 million with 16 million guaranteed. His contract actually equates to a 2 year deal worth 16 million. The signing bonus is 6 million and his salaries in year one and two are guaranteed at 5 million a piece taking care of all of the guaranteed money. Is he still overpaid at 8 million a year for two seasons? Most likely, but its still a more reasonable deal. I don't know the breakdown, but its probably similar with Tommy Kelly and Gibril Wilson.

I'm not trying to evaluate these signings, I just happen to follow this team, so I know more specifics. I would guess that most of the contracts signed by other players with other teams are similar.

My point is that free agent signings should be evaluated by the talent a teams adds and the needs they address. the uproar from individuals over money that will most likely never even be seen by the player is ridiculous.
very true- good write up
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Old 03-06-2008, 02:03 PM   #382
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Old 03-06-2008, 08:55 PM   #383
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Old 03-06-2008, 09:42 PM   #384
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Didn't the Falcons have Chris Miller too for a few seasons in the mid-90s?
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Old 03-07-2008, 09:30 AM   #385
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Heh. And from that, on a whim, I looked up the girl who played Becky from Little Giants on IMDB, to see if she got hot. Answer: Yes.
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Old 03-07-2008, 09:34 AM   #386
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Hmm. Seconded. Not too bad there, Icebox.
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Old 03-07-2008, 09:42 AM   #387
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I just heard that the Eagles cut Takeo Spikes.

Love to have him on the Pats, mind you
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Old 03-07-2008, 09:44 AM   #388
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I liked him but he has been injury prone the past couple of years.
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Love to have him on the Pats, mind you

Is he old enough to play LB for the Pats yet?

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Didn't the Falcons have Chris Miller too for a few seasons in the mid-90s?

Yep, one of their better QB draft picks actually (which says something about the rest of them).
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Dallas shopping TO, Raiders intrerested, possibly the 1st round pick in upcoming draft from Oakland to Dallas?!?
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Old 03-07-2008, 05:04 PM   #393
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Say what?
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Old 03-07-2008, 05:35 PM   #394
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TO is 1st round talent, but about 6th round reliability.

So, he is probably only able to fetch something in between. Of course, it is the Raiders...

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Old 03-07-2008, 08:49 PM   #395
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Julius Jones to the Seahawks.
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Old 03-07-2008, 10:50 PM   #396
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Hmmm...JJ, TJ, MoMo, and Shaun Alexander. That's a pretty crowded backfield unless Holmgren is going to breakout the Wishbone.
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Old 03-07-2008, 11:53 PM   #397
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Say what?

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Uhh... is there a link? Because that sounds preposterous. You think Moss tanked it in Oakland?

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TO is 1st round talent, but about 6th round reliability.

So, he is probably only able to fetch something in between. Of course, it is the Raiders...

Just kidding folks.

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I had to post that about TO, since the Raiders seem to be making boneheaded deals lately.
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