College Football Week 14 thread.

[duckman]

Harris Poll results are supposed to be released at approximately 4 EST.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Noop

Another strange comment. So I should ignore the fact that he has been toast for three seasons at Florida State and pretend that all is rosy and gold. Sorry buddy, I respect what he has done in the classroom but his effort on the field left alot to be desired.

Why is that strange? Football is a just a loud diversion from things that truly matters in life. Hardcore fans won't understand that.

[Carman Bulldog]

I know it was touched on earlier, but what happens if Texas/Oklahoma loses to Missouri in the Big 12 championship game? Who plays for the National Championship then? Likely the winner of Florida/Alabama, but who is the second team? Is it the team that doesn't play in the Big 12 title game? I mean, I don't really see the UCLA game vaulting USC over either Texas or Oklahoma.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by Noop

Another strange comment. So I should ignore the fact that he has been toast for three seasons at Florida State and pretend that all is rosy and gold. Sorry buddy, I respect what he has done in the classroom but his effort on the field left alot to be desired.

It's just very small minded. The player that replaces Rolle may have a better impact on Florida State's football performance but will not have nearly the impact that Rolle could have on the greater good.

While you can criticize Rolle's "effort" (which is also poor terminology...it takes a hell of a lot of effort simply to start at a D-1A program) on the football field, to do so in the context of his winning a more prestigious award than anything anyone can receive on the football field kind of misses why the Rhoades is a big deal. It's part of that whole athletics > academics thing of major college football which I accept but still dislike. I'm not naive enough to think that it will ever change or that this truly isn't the way it is. I know that athletics will always be greater than academics in college football. However, still doesn't mean I have to like it and can't call bullshit when it bothers me.

I don't mean to single you out and I'm sure that there are many Florida St. fans who agree with you. But your failure to look beyond "he sure does suck on the football field" is just plain stupid when failing to take into account the Rhoades significance. It also puts a bit of tarnish on what I do like about college football.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

I know it was touched on earlier, but what happens if Texas/Oklahoma loses to Missouri in the Big 12 championship game? Who plays for the National Championship then? Likely the winner of Florida/Alabama, but who is the second team? Is it the team that doesn't play in the Big 12 title game? I mean, I don't really see the UCLA game vaulting USC over either Texas or Oklahoma.

If Florida wins it'll be Texas/OU, USC or Alabama
If Alabama wins it'll be Texas/OU or USC

If UCLA knocks off USC, and Florida wins (All this is assuming Mizzou wins) you could see an SEC title game rematch assuming it's a close game. This is one year it is a small possibility.

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Why is that strange? Football is a just a loud diversion from things that truly matters in life. Hardcore fans won't understand that.

If you wanna start down that path, I'll finish this now by saying nothing actually matters at all.

[digamma]

If the computers are as close as people think and the coaches poll a virtual tie, the Harris is pretty much the deciding factor.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Why is that strange? Football is a just a loud diversion from things that truly matters in life. Hardcore fans won't understand that.

Bingo. Not much I agree with you here, but that's really it.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

If you wanna start down that path, I'll finish this now by saying nothing actually matters at all.

Sorry, but Rhoades Scholarship > anything you can do in athletics in terms of benefiting society.

Becoming a neurosurgeon and helping cure people whom are less fortunate > Florida St. national championship or Heisman.

[Noop]

I understand how significant it is but I was merely commenting originally on his play on the field. I am happy for him to win such a prestigious award. (another Seminole Garret Johnson won the award a few years back)

But whatever believe what you want to believe.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

If you wanna start down that path, I'll finish this now by saying nothing actually matters at all.

That certainly is a path one can choose.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

I know it was touched on earlier, but what happens if Texas/Oklahoma loses to Missouri in the Big 12 championship game? Who plays for the National Championship then? Likely the winner of Florida/Alabama, but who is the second team? Is it the team that doesn't play in the Big 12 title game? I mean, I don't really see the UCLA game vaulting USC over either Texas or Oklahoma.

According to the dude on ESPN (Brad Edwards), there's a possibility that Florida (if they beat Alabama) could get left out of the title game in favor of an OU/Texas re-match, assuming that whichever is in the Big 12 Championship beats Missouri. The computers have Florida pretty far back.

I don't think the pollsters will let that happen, of course. If OU or Texas loses to Missouri, I can't see how it's not a lock that the other goes to play Florida/Alabama in the championship game.

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Sorry, but Rhoades Scholarship > anything you can do in athletics in terms of benefiting society.

Becoming a neurosurgeon and helping cure people whom are less fortunate > Florida St. national championship or Heisman.

All he'll do is rot in a more expensive piece of wood.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Cuckoo

According to the dude on ESPN (Brad Edwards), there's a possibility that Florida (even if they beat Alabama) could get left out of the title game in favor of an OU/Texas re-match, assuming that whichever is in the Big 12 Championship beats Missouri. The computers have Florida pretty far back.

I don't think the pollsters will let that happen, of course. If OU or Texas loses to Missouri, I can't see how it's not a lock that the other goes to play Florida/Alabama in the championship game.

I hope Florida gets left out, although I am sure they would win the AP championship if that were the case.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Cuckoo

According to the dude on ESPN (Brad Edwards), there's a possibility that Florida (even if they beat Alabama) could get left out of the title game in favor of an OU/Texas re-match, assuming that whichever is in the Big 12 Championship beats Missouri.

I don't think the pollsters will let that happen, of course. If OU or Texas loses to Missouri, I can't see how it's not a lock that the other goes to play Florida/Alabama in the championship game.

Yes, I don't understand why the Big 12 wrath hasn't turned on Florida. Florida's best win is over a 9-3 Georgia team. They lost to a 3 loss Ole Miss team at home. That is certainly a worse loss than losing to Texas or Texas Tech.

[Buccaneer]

[soapbox]
Look, I went to a major ACC school for my graduate degree. I went to a few football and basketball games but I also went out to eat and drink a lot. They were all simple entertaining diversions. I cannot recall a single game, nor can I recall how well the teams did or did not do during those two years (without looking it up). What I wanted to accomplish there made the sports teams irrelevant to me, to the point where the success (or failure) of those teams before, during or after that time has no bearing whatsoever on my well-being. That obviously does not make me a fan (and causes me to react against fanaticism) but you can count me as a fan of things that are truly much more important, including some of the things that I learned there.
[/soapbox]

[Noop]

I agree 100% Bucc

[Cuckoo]

Harris moved Texas in front of OU too but not sure if the 6 point advantage will be enough.

1 Alabama (107) 12-0 2,815 Beat Auburn 36-0 SEC Championship vs. No. 2 Florida 1
2 Florida (4) 11-1 2,619 Beat No. 23 Florida State 45-15 SEC Championship vs. No. 1 Alabama 2
3 Texas (1) 11-1 2,575 Beat Texas A&M 49-9 TBD 4
4 Oklahoma 11-1 2,569 Beat No. 12 Oklahoma State 61-41 TBD 3

[Vegas Vic]

The Harris Poll is out, and Texas moved ahead of OU, but only by 6 points, which is not enough to offset OU's advantage in the computer polls. So, OU goes to Kansas City to play Missouri for the Big XII championship next week.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by digamma

Yes, I don't understand why the Big 12 wrath hasn't turned on Florida. Florida's best win is over a 9-3 Georgia team. They lost to a 3 loss Ole Miss team at home. That is certainly a worse loss than losing to Texas or Texas Tech.

Wouldn't beating an undefeated Alabama team make up for it?

[Noop]

Oklahoma is getting the shaft. I think Stoops should have lobbied for his team.

[Cuckoo]

I know very little about the computers and their formulas, but I'd be very curious to know how much Missouri's loss to Kansas impacted the numbers. The Missouri game was one of Texas' biggest wins, and OU didn't play them.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Noop

Oklahoma is getting the shaft. I think Stoops should have lobbied for his team.

Oklahoma isn't getting the shaft. They're going to Kansas City to play Missouri for the Big XII championship.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Oklahoma isn't getting the shaft. They're going to Kansas City to play Missouri for the Big XII championship.

I think he meant in the voting, and I agree. But I'm actually very glad Stoops didn't "campaign," even if meant OU not going to the Big 12 Championship. Though I don't necessarily blame them for doing it (if the shoe was on the other foot kind of thing), there's something about plane flyovers and signs that doesn't sit well with me.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Here is a question .. I know it's done geographically but can't the Big 12 realign these divisions? It's always UT and OU who're going to be the favorites every year, and it makes no sense they're in the same division. I liken it to the Big 10 adding a 12th team and having a title game and putting UM and OSU in the same division.

This assumes both teams will always be that good. See Oklahoma before Stoops got hired and U of M this year.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Oklahoma isn't getting the shaft. They're going to Kansas City to play Missouri for the Big XII championship.

Got a link to confirm? I googled and nothing came up.

[Buccaneer]

Isn't Texas above OU in the BCS standings?

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by Matthean

This assumes both teams will always be that good. See Oklahoma before Stoops got hired and U of M this year.

Yup. I'd imagine that when the current Big 12 set-up was made, there was a strong assumption that Nebraska and Colorado would continue to be consistently great programs for the foreseeable future.

That, of course, hasn't been the case.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Noop

Got a link to confirm? I googled and nothing came up.

Scout.com: 2008 BCS Rankings - Week 7, Nov. 30

[bhlloy]

I'm amazed that OU doesn't get more credit for destroying Cincinnati OOC. That is the #13 team in the nation right there and a team that is going to be in a BCS bowl.

Either way, the B12 needs to get some better tiebreakers. I'd be interesting if other conferences have the BCS so high in the list.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Isn't Texas above OU in the BCS standings?

Last week, yes, by a hair. But it's expected by many that the computers will put them ahead of Texas this week after the win at OSU. The speculation I heard was the Texas needed to lead by 44 points in the Harris to offset OU's computer advantage.

[Jas_lov]

Fox is saying there's a big shakeup in the BCS standings. It can't be anything else other than OU over Texas because nothing else happened.

[bhlloy]

Oh, and it's ridiculous that Florida moves above Texas and OU in Harris. There is absolutely NO REASON other than there is this bizarre belief that they are a better team and the aura of the SEC. Hell, they have a way worse loss and OOC schedule than USC do...

[DeToxRox]

I'm just throwing stuff out there but wouldn't it almost be prudent to make a rule that if two teams are in the top 5 of the BCS standings, but in the same division, they should be alowed to play for the conference title?

I mean obvious OU/UT play every year, but what happens if say TT/OU went undefeated and hadn't played this year. A 9-3 Mizzou team would get a shot at a BCS, and one of those two wouldn't.

Seems absurd to me.

I know this is a rare situation but there should be protection.

[Vegas Vic]

Guy's, IT"S OVER. I already posted the link above.

Scout.com: 2008 BCS Rankings - Week 7, Nov. 30

[Buccaneer]

I was looking at Sportsline and they hadn't updated the BCS numbers yet. My bad.

[Cuckoo]

Boy... As if the OU/Texas rivalry needed anymore fire.

[terpkristin]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Guy's, IT"S OVER. I already posted the link above.

Scout.com: 2008 BCS Rankings - Week 7, Nov. 30

Hahah Maryland's ranked 40, by virtue of being 39 in the Harris poll.

Sorry, I have nothing useful to add re: Texas/Oklahoma/Florida/etc

/tk

[cartman]

The official site is FOX Sports on MSN - BCSFootball - BCS Football and they haven't updated their site yet. Any numbers out there now are based off of projections on what the computer numbers will be.

[Jas_lov]

Fox just showed it on tv, OU is ahead of Texas by .13, and they will go to the national title game if they beat Missouri.

[DeToxRox]

I have a suspicion Florida and Mizzou win just to fuck this entire situation up more. Maybe it's a hope and not a suspicion, but it'll be interestintg.

[duckman]

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

I have a suspicion Florida and Mizzou win just to fuck this entire situation up more. Maybe it's a hope and not a suspicion, but it'll be interestintg.

That is so 2007.

[cartman]

As a Texas fan, this sucks. The team came within, literally, one second of having an undefeated season, and beat both of the teams that will play for the Big 12 championship by at least two scores. For OU to get the nod by just a few thousands of a point is tough to take.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by cartman

As a Texas fan, this sucks. The team came within, literally, one second of having an undefeated season, and beat both of the teams that will play for the Big 12 championship by at least two scores. For OU to get the nod by just a few thousands of a point is tough to take.

I'm sure OU will lay an egg vs Mizzou, I wouldn't worry.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

I'm sure OU will lay an egg vs Mizzou, I wouldn't worry.

Sadly, this is very true.

[sooner333]

Well, I'm glad it's the Sooners in the Big 12 Championship Game...now we need to finish the season with a win. Texas is a deserving team as well, and maybe there will be a stronger push for a playoff (I just hope I don't have to hear Mack Brown's voice in the process). I do think that it's possible that Oklahoma and Texas are the top two teams, but if Oklahoma can take care of business in the championship, then it will likely happen (unless Oklahoma and Texas face off against each other, then it would be the ultimate match-up).

All that aside, I'm elated and so glad that this team gets an opportunity to play for a conference championship and possibly a national championship. They are too good of a team to not have that opportunity.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by duckman

Sadly, this is very true.

You guys are just trying to make me feel better about the loss to Kansas.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by digamma

Yes, I don't understand why the Big 12 wrath hasn't turned on Florida. Florida's best win is over a 9-3 Georgia team. They lost to a 3 loss Ole Miss team at home. That is certainly a worse loss than losing to Texas or Texas Tech.

Mostly because of how Florida has destroyed its opposition since the Ole Miss loss. If they beat down Alabama, the last thing the Big 12 really wants is a split national championship as the AP will most likely crown Florida when they blow out the opponent in their BCS game.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

I'm sure OU will lay an egg vs Mizzou, I wouldn't worry.

I hope so. If that happens, I have a sneaking suspicion that voters might shift USC into the title game, particularly if they hammer UCLA as I believe they will. Then, I'll feel really bad for Cartman and other Texas fans.