NFL Week 17: It's the Final Countdown... - Page 8

EagleFan · 12-28-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by terpkristin

Apparently you can't be a fan of the opposing team in the Buccaneers' stadium? Security: Tampa Bay Handcuffs And Ejects You For Rooting For The Opposing Football Team

/tk

A Raiders fan being ejected from a stadium and he claim he was "just cheering" for his team... Kind of like the guy who gets pulled over while doing 90 in a 45 and asks "What did I do wrong?".

Jas_lov · 12-28-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Stats aside, I think the biggest knock on Rodgers has been his poor play in close games late. I remember seeing a stat during the Monday Night game and I thought it said his rating was in the 30's.

I don't remember seeing the stat, but Rodgers has put the Packers in position to win games. Crosby gets a FG blocked in Chicago and misses the game winner in Minnesota and it's somehow Rodgers' fault for losing those games.

He gives them 4th quarter leads against Tennessee, Carolina, Chicago, Minnesota, Jacksonville, ties it up late against Houston, and they lose all these games. People just ignore what he does for 3 and a half quarters and put all the blame on him when a punt his Jarred Bush in the leg.

molson · 12-28-2008, 08:27 PM

No reason for gambling degenerates to wait for this last game:

(from Vegas.com - Caesars/Station odds)

Atlanta -2.5 at Arizona
Philadelphia -3/-2.5 at Minnesota
Baltimore -3 at Miami

Greyroofoo · 12-28-2008, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

No reason for gambling degenerates to wait for this last game:

(from Vegas.com - Caesars/Station odds)

Atlanta -2.5 at Arizona
Philadelphia -3/-2.5 at Philadelphia
Baltimore -3 at Miami

I have no idea what team to put money on.

Pumpy Tudors · 12-28-2008, 08:31 PM

The Broncos are truly terrible. Blow up the whole secondary and replace them with almost anybody. It really can't get much worse than this.

Dr. Sak · 12-28-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

The Broncos are truly terrible. Blow up the whole secondary and replace them with almost anybody. It really can't get much worse than this.

Yes it can...because once this game is over you will realize that there will be no Arena league for you to watch this year.

Buccaneer · 12-28-2008, 08:32 PM

Heh. No one is surprised at this but given the Bolts were 4-8, it's still a bit of a shock.

SirFozzie · 12-28-2008, 08:33 PM

Stick a fork, knife, and any other silverware you have handy in the Broncos. They're done.

molson · 12-28-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

The Broncos are truly terrible. Blow up the whole secondary and replace them with almost anybody. It really can't get much worse than this.

Deltha O'Neal will be available in the offseason

Pumpy Tudors · 12-28-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Yes it can...because once this game is over you will realize that there will be no Arena league for you to watch this year.

Yeah, I guess I'll have to become an ECHL expert like I used to be 7 years ago. I need something, even if it isn't football.

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Deltha O'Neal will be available in the offseason

After watching the crap Denver's rolled out this season, I'd almost like to have him back.

Jas_lov · 12-28-2008, 08:42 PM

Denver can make it a 2 score game here. Too bad they can't stop anybody. Bob Slowick was terrible in Green Bay and I don't know why Denver hired him. This is a epic collapse by the Broncos if they lose. After they beat the Jets in New York, it was all but over.

yacovfb · 12-28-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Denver can make it a 2 score game here. Too bad they can't stop anybody. Bob Slowick was terrible in Green Bay and I don't know why Denver hired him. This is a epic collapse by the Broncos if they lose. After they beat the Jets in New York, it was all but over.

...or Cutler could throw a pick

Jas_lov · 12-28-2008, 08:46 PM

Yeah, so much for that. Stick a fork in Denver.

MrDNA · 12-28-2008, 09:01 PM

Seems like a few historic-type collapses this year (Jets and Broncos to name two). The Mets should be taking notes.

henry296 · 12-28-2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDNA

Seems like a few historic-type collapses this year (Jets and Broncos to name two). The Mets should be taking notes.

Add Tampa to that list.

Pumpy Tudors · 12-28-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Hey, for you drinkers out there, here's a drinking game for tonight. Drink every time the Broncos miss an easy tackle.

If you're playing this game and you saw the Sproles touchdown just now, you are drunk as shit.

kcchief19 · 12-28-2008, 09:40 PM

Hopefully Chargers-Colts will live up to the expectations -- two very hot teams playing at the level we expected before the season started.

As someone with an intense dislike of the Broncos and not-so-veiled hatred of Mike Shanahan, this game is very enjoyable.

st.cronin · 12-28-2008, 09:45 PM

What a terrible weekend of football for me, personally.

Arles · 12-28-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Stats aside, I think the biggest knock on Rodgers has been his poor play in close games late. I remember seeing a stat during the Monday Night game and I thought it said his rating was in the 30's.

One of the ESPN shows explained this a little better. If you look at the close losses to Chicago, Houston, Carolina, Minnesota, Atlanta and Tennessee (1-4 points each), Rodgers led 9 scoring drives for 47 points in the 4th quarter. The defense/st allowed 11 for 61 points (in 4 and OT) and that's why GB lost. And that also discounts missed winning FGs in three of the above listed games.

What seemed to happen is that GB would score with about 4-6 minutes left and take the lead. Then, the defense would allow another score 2-3 minutes later - leaving Rodgers to again drive the length of the field in less than 2 minutes. And, in those situations, he struggled this season. Still, you have to look at the defense and special teams - which gave up almost 150 points in the 4th quarter alone this season.

Kodos · 12-28-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

What a terrible weekend of football for me, personally.

Near-perfect for me!

Dolphins win AFC East? Check.

Patriots miss playoffs entirely? Check.

Cowboys miss playoffs entirely in humiliating fashion? Check.

If the Bucs had made it in, it would have been perfect.

Buccaneer · 12-28-2008, 10:09 PM

I guess TroyF was right. But I wondered how many people, including him, thought the Bolts would win the division when they were 4-8 (esp. after losing 5 of 6 and only beating KC with luck) and knowing the only shot they had was to win out. Looks like Norv keeps his job, huh?

Kodos · 12-28-2008, 10:23 PM

Marty is probably annoyed with this result.

st.cronin · 12-28-2008, 10:30 PM

Brett Favre has not been great, or sometimes even good, in recent seasons. At this point Chad Pennington is undoubtedly a better QB. But I think some people are forgetting how good he was at his best. I still rate him as the best QB I have ever seen play the game - better than Montana, Brady, Marino, Manning, Young, or Elway.

Atocep · 12-28-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Brett Favre has not been great, or sometimes even good, in recent seasons. At this point Chad Pennington is undoubtedly a better QB. But I think some people are forgetting how good he was at his best. I still rate him as the best QB I have ever seen play the game - better than Montana, Brady, Marino, Manning, Young, or Elway.

What?

He has a 61% completion percentage for his career, a qb rating of 85, and has averaged 18 interceptions per year over his career.

Favre isn't as good as ESPN makes him out to be and isn't as bad as some of his detractors say, but he's not in the same league as Manning, Marino, or Elway.

st.cronin · 12-28-2008, 10:43 PM

Elway's completion percentage: 57
Elway's qb rating: 79.9
Elway averaged 14 ints per season.

Stats aren't everything.

Atocep · 12-28-2008, 10:44 PM

Marino has a comparable rating and completion percentage, but he also played in a era where the west coast offense was a part of every team's gameplan.

Favre's completion percentage and rating are pretty poor for today's qbs. Add to that people seem so willing to give him a pass on the interception problems he's had throughout his career.

Atocep · 12-28-2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Elway's completion percentage: 57
Elway's qb rating: 79.9
Elway averaged 14 ints per season.

Stats aren't everything.

Different eras. 4 more ints per year over your career is pretty damn big.

st.cronin · 12-28-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Marino has a comparable rating and completion percentage, but he also played in a era where the west coast offense was a part of every team's gameplan.

Favre's completion percentage and rating are pretty poor for today's qbs. Add to that people seem so willing to give him a pass on the interception problems he's had throughout his career.

Not sure how you can say that. Favre's career completion percentage would put him in the top ten of this year's qbs.

But, whatever. I'm not interested in arguing Favre's case. There was a time when he was regarded as one of the elite all time qbs, and there will be a time when he will again be regarded that way, after the image of the last few seasons has faded from memory.

Arles · 12-28-2008, 11:48 PM

I don't think it's unreasonable to put the 94-04 Favre in the same class as Elway or Marino. He averaged 31-16 and nearly 4000 yards (without missing any games). And, in 8 of those 11 seasons he had 30 or more TDs and 16 or fewer Ints.

Elway never had more than 27 TDs in his career, despite playing in 6 of those 11 same seasons. Marino had 31 TDs just twice in his career (granted it was a different era). It's also interesting that Favre (1 every 31 passes) had a similar rate of INTs as Marino (1 every 33) and Elway (1 every 32) in their careers. So, I think it's downplaying Favre's career to state he wasn't in the class of Marino or Elway as he was easily the top QB playing in the 1994-2004 era.

Eaglesfan27 · 12-29-2008, 12:18 AM

This could go in its own thread, but I'll just put it here. ESPN is reporting that Brady's knee still has signs of the infection in the join, the ligaments are loose, and that it could cost him the 2009 season. It will be very interesting to see if they can convince Cassel to stay as insurance in case Brady won't be back.

RainMaker · 12-29-2008, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Favre isn't as good as ESPN makes him out to be and isn't as bad as some of his detractors say, but he's not in the same league as Manning, Marino, or Elway.

Oh come on, those other guys you mentioned with perhaps the exception of Marino had much better talent to work with. Elway and Manning had their most succesful seasons when surrounded by superior talent to anything Favre has ever had.

I don't pleasure myself to the image of Favre like many in the media, but he does deserve a lot of credit. He was the only reason the Packers were competitive during his prime. Name some of the big names he's had to throw to. Or perhaps the running backs to take the pressure off him. Edgar Bennett? Dorsey Levens? Antonio Freeman? Robert Brooks? Come on. He was able to polish a turd and made a lot of receivers much richer than they deserved. He never had the offensive line that could give him all day to throw.

Favre is a unique player and tough to judge to others. I think he would have fared much better than Manning with the rosters he has had over the years. However, I don't think he could thrive in a system with players that Indianapolis has had. He's great at turning mediocre teams into great ones. Manning is best at getting the most out of great teams.

RainMaker · 12-29-2008, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

This could go in its own thread, but I'll just put it here. ESPN is reporting that Brady's knee still has signs of the infection in the join, the ligaments are loose, and that it could cost him the 2009 season. It will be very interesting to see if they can convince Cassel to stay as insurance in case Brady won't be back.

Cassel would be insane to stay. He has had a solid year and will get a nice fat contract from someone like San Francisco, Minnesota or Kansas City.

Favre would actually be a real interesting option for New England. I think he'd have to be assured of being the starter there though for the year. Otherwise I could see them taking a flier at a couple guys with strong arms who have been coached poorly. A guy like Rex Grossman will be available and could get a chance to showcase his arm for a half season under a high powered offense.

st.cronin · 12-29-2008, 12:37 AM

O'Connell may well be ready to start by 09. He's generally regarded as a better long term prospect than Cassell in Patsland.

I don't see Favre or Grossman making any sense for New England. They could go with a veteran for a year, but it probably wouldn't be either one of those guys.

Crapshoot · 12-29-2008, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Cassel would be insane to stay. He has had a solid year and will get a nice fat contract from someone like San Francisco, Minnesota or Kansas City.

Favre would actually be a real interesting option for New England. I think he'd have to be assured of being the starter there though for the year. Otherwise I could see them taking a flier at a couple guys with strong arms who have been coached poorly. A guy like Rex Grossman will be available and could get a chance to showcase his arm for a half season under a high powered offense.

Two words: Franchise tag.

Alan T · 12-29-2008, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Two words: Franchise tag.

Can the Patriots actually afford to do that? How much salary cap space would be taken by two QBs if they franchise tagged Cassel? I don't know what the pricetag of that would be, but I can't imagine it to be cheap at the QB position.

I can't see the Pats keeping both of them because of that. They will have to gamble one way or another, there is no way you can have like 1/4th of your entire salary cap eaten up by one position.

Logan · 12-29-2008, 07:57 AM

It's more like 1/5th but I'll let you have it

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Brady’s 2009 salary is $5 million and he’s also due a $3 million roster bonus. Relative to the league’s other successful quarterbacks, he’s a bargain. But if the Patriots opt to franchise Cassel as insurance, that means the team will have close to $20 million in salary to be paid out to their two quarterbacks. Additionally, $6.6 million of Brady’s pro-rated signing bonus will count against their 2009 cap. That would mean the Patriots would be spending close to $26 million of the projected $123 million salary cap on these two quarterbacks.

Curran: Brady behind schedule in recovery from surgery - NFL- nbcsports.msnbc.com

I think the most likely scenario is the Pats tag Cassell but swing him to a team for a #1 pick (as opposed to the 1st and 3rd a team would have to give up by signing him, correct?) and use both their 1sts on addressing that aging D. Roll with O'Connell if Brady can't go, maybe sign a stop-gap veteran as insurance.

Matthean · 12-29-2008, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

But I think some people are forgetting how good he was at his best. I still rate him as the best QB I have ever seen play the game - better than Montana, Brady, Marino, Manning, Young, or Elway.

Montana and Manning are better picks almost to a default because they weren't so highly known for throwing rookie INTs even 15 seasons in. Montana's numbers in the playoffs and certainly in the SB are just sick and wrong. If you want to bring up Montana playing for the 49ers, let's not forget his Monday Night game when he was with the Chiefs.

ISiddiqui · 12-29-2008, 08:05 AM

Story of how bad Peyton's knee actually was this offseason

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200.../Week17/1.html

How is he not the MVP this year?

Logan · 12-29-2008, 08:20 AM

Looks like Mangini is out.

Young Drachma · 12-29-2008, 08:30 AM

Matt Schaub might not like Houston much, but...surely Matt Cassel will take a lesson from him and learn that being the backup to the big guy and waiting for a disaster is cute when you've got nothing to do lose, but a poor financial decision when folks will pay you big bucks to bail.

Young Drachma · 12-29-2008, 08:30 AM

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Looks like Mangini is out.

Excellent news.

Young Drachma · 12-29-2008, 08:33 AM

Get a caretaker in there, wait a few years and then get Raheem Morris from Tampa. The guy is Mike Tomlin redux.

Hurst2112 · 12-29-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Looks like Mangini is out.

That means Favre is probably done as well. Cross my fingers.

Kodos · 12-29-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Story of how bad Peyton's knee actually was this offseason

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200.../Week17/1.html

How is he not the MVP this year?

Holy crap. My admiration for Manning only continues to grow.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 12-29-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

After watching the crap the AFC West teams rolled out at CB this season, I'd almost like to have him back.

Fixed

Logan · 12-29-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Looks like Mangini is out.

Very early word makes it seem like Spagnolo will be the top choice.

molson · 12-29-2008, 09:42 AM

It's so awesome that Pennington won the division over Favre....I think I just grasped that...Did anyone call this scenerio in the Favre drama threads?

Channing Crowder's kind of funny

"Chad beat the hell out of the New York Jets , who let him go to bring in somebody else," said the Dolphins linebacker. "They got rid of him because they thought somebody else was better and now he came back and beat the hell out of him and them at home to win the division championship.

"I love it. I love the Jets' decision to get rid of him. We had all the talent in the world and needed a guy who is a rock, not an off-the-wall, crazy-spinning, underhanded-toss guy."

That's the best description of Favre as a QB I've ever heard.

gstelmack · 12-29-2008, 10:12 AM

A fitting end to the Favre era after all the drama he caused. Looks like we called it right when saying he'd be more like the 05/06 Favre than the 07 anomaly.

Sad to see the Pats out, but their inability to stop the Jets in that Monday night game did them in.

Galaxy · 12-29-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Can the Patriots actually afford to do that? How much salary cap space would be taken by two QBs if they franchise tagged Cassel? I don't know what the pricetag of that would be, but I can't imagine it to be cheap at the QB position.

I can't see the Pats keeping both of them because of that. They will have to gamble one way or another, there is no way you can have like 1/4th of your entire salary cap eaten up by one position.

If you place a player on IR for the season, does it free up that player's cap space for the year?

Kodos · 12-29-2008, 10:34 AM

I don't think that has any bearing on the salary cap.

12-28-2008, 08:27 PM	#353
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	No reason for gambling degenerates to wait for this last game: (from Vegas.com - Caesars/Station odds) Atlanta -2.5 at Arizona Philadelphia -3/-2.5 at Minnesota Baltimore -3 at Miami Last edited by molson : 12-28-2008 at 08:35 PM.

12-28-2008, 08:31 PM	#355
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	The Broncos are truly terrible. Blow up the whole secondary and replace them with almost anybody. It really can't get much worse than this. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

12-28-2008, 08:33 PM	#358
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Stick a fork, knife, and any other silverware you have handy in the Broncos. They're done. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

12-28-2008, 09:01 PM	#364
MrDNA High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007	Seems like a few historic-type collapses this year (Jets and Broncos to name two). The Mets should be taking notes. __________________ Norfolk Flame (Shiba) Jacksonville Bulls (UFL) R.I.P. *Ayr Bravehearts (FOFL)*

12-28-2008, 09:45 PM	#368
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	What a terrible weekend of football for me, personally. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-28-2008, 08:32 PM	#357
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Heh. No one is surprised at this but given the Bolts were 4-8, it's still a bit of a shock.

12-28-2008, 08:42 PM	#361
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Denver can make it a 2 score game here. Too bad they can't stop anybody. Bob Slowick was terrible in Green Bay and I don't know why Denver hired him. This is a epic collapse by the Broncos if they lose. After they beat the Jets in New York, it was all but over.

12-28-2008, 08:46 PM	#363
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Yeah, so much for that. Stick a fork in Denver.

12-28-2008, 09:40 PM	#367
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	Hopefully Chargers-Colts will live up to the expectations -- two very hot teams playing at the level we expected before the season started. As someone with an intense dislike of the Broncos and not-so-veiled hatred of Mike Shanahan, this game is very enjoyable.

12-28-2008, 10:09 PM	#371
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I guess TroyF was right. But I wondered how many people, including him, thought the Bolts would win the division when they were 4-8 (esp. after losing 5 of 6 and only beating KC with luck) and knowing the only shot they had was to win out. Looks like Norv keeps his job, huh?

12-28-2008, 10:23 PM	#372
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Marty is probably annoyed with this result. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

12-28-2008, 10:30 PM	#373
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Brett Favre has not been great, or sometimes even good, in recent seasons. At this point Chad Pennington is undoubtedly a better QB. But I think some people are forgetting how good he was at his best. I still rate him as the best QB I have ever seen play the game - better than Montana, Brady, Marino, Manning, Young, or Elway. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-28-2008, 10:43 PM	#375
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Elway's completion percentage: 57 Elway's qb rating: 79.9 Elway averaged 14 ints per season. Stats aren't everything. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-28-2008, 10:44 PM	#376
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Marino has a comparable rating and completion percentage, but he also played in a era where the west coast offense was a part of every team's gameplan. Favre's completion percentage and rating are pretty poor for today's qbs. Add to that people seem so willing to give him a pass on the interception problems he's had throughout his career.

12-28-2008, 11:48 PM	#379
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	I don't think it's unreasonable to put the 94-04 Favre in the same class as Elway or Marino. He averaged 31-16 and nearly 4000 yards (without missing any games). And, in 8 of those 11 seasons he had 30 or more TDs and 16 or fewer Ints. Elway never had more than 27 TDs in his career, despite playing in 6 of those 11 same seasons. Marino had 31 TDs just twice in his career (granted it was a different era). It's also interesting that Favre (1 every 31 passes) had a similar rate of INTs as Marino (1 every 33) and Elway (1 every 32) in their careers. So, I think it's downplaying Favre's career to state he wasn't in the class of Marino or Elway as he was easily the top QB playing in the 1994-2004 era. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com Last edited by Arles : 12-28-2008 at 11:49 PM.

12-29-2008, 12:18 AM	#380
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	This could go in its own thread, but I'll just put it here. ESPN is reporting that Brady's knee still has signs of the infection in the join, the ligaments are loose, and that it could cost him the 2009 season. It will be very interesting to see if they can convince Cassel to stay as insurance in case Brady won't be back. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

12-29-2008, 12:37 AM	#383
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	O'Connell may well be ready to start by 09. He's generally regarded as a better long term prospect than Cassell in Patsland. I don't see Favre or Grossman making any sense for New England. They could go with a veteran for a year, but it probably wouldn't be either one of those guys. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-29-2008, 08:05 AM	#388
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Story of how bad Peyton's knee actually was this offseason http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200.../Week17/1.html How is he not the MVP this year? __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

12-29-2008, 08:20 AM	#389
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Looks like Mangini is out.

12-29-2008, 08:30 AM	#390
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Matt Schaub might not like Houston much, but...surely Matt Cassel will take a lesson from him and learn that being the backup to the big guy and waiting for a disaster is cute when you've got nothing to do lose, but a poor financial decision when folks will pay you big bucks to bail. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods

12-29-2008, 08:33 AM	#392
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Get a caretaker in there, wait a few years and then get Raheem Morris from Tampa. The guy is Mike Tomlin redux.

12-29-2008, 09:42 AM	#397
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	It's so awesome that Pennington won the division over Favre....I think I just grasped that...Did anyone call this scenerio in the Favre drama threads? Channing Crowder's kind of funny "Chad beat the hell out of the New York Jets , who let him go to bring in somebody else," said the Dolphins linebacker. "They got rid of him because they thought somebody else was better and now he came back and beat the hell out of him and them at home to win the division championship. "I love it. I love the Jets' decision to get rid of him. We had all the talent in the world and needed a guy who is a rock, not an off-the-wall, crazy-spinning, underhanded-toss guy." That's the best description of Favre as a QB I've ever heard. Last edited by molson : 12-29-2008 at 09:44 AM.

12-29-2008, 10:12 AM	#398
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	A fitting end to the Favre era after all the drama he caused. Looks like we called it right when saying he'd be more like the 05/06 Favre than the 07 anomaly. Sad to see the Pats out, but their inability to stop the Jets in that Monday night game did them in. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

12-29-2008, 10:34 AM	#400
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I don't think that has any bearing on the salary cap. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

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