My Ridiculously Inept Congresscommie (Who Now Faces Arrest!)

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I was going to mention this, but I was afraid biggles would call me a troll. He likes calling people "troll", I've noticed.

I was away for a number of days, logged back on, clicked my User CP, responded to comments that were MADE TO ME, and called a troll for it by someone with no other purpose in the thread than to come in and inflame things and make personal attacks. Tell me st.cronin, who is the troll here?

[duckman]

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

Tell me st.cronin, who is the troll here?

Hold up! So no one is allowed to call you out on anything? IMO, you were being a troll for 1) bringing up a long dead conversation and 2) calling someone a racist in the same post. Now, you are going to use the "I was saying his comments were racist, not him," but that doesn't fly with me. You are what you do. If you think he made a racist comment then you think he is a racist. Personally, whether Jon is a racist or not is purely unimportant. What is important is that you made a personal attack against him.

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by duckman

Hold up! So no one is allowed to call you out on anything? IMO, you were being a troll for 1) bringing up a long dead conversation and 2) calling someone a racist in the same post. Now, you are going to use the "I was saying his comments were racist, not him," but that doesn't fly with me. You are what you do. If you think he made a racist comment then you think he is a racist. Personally, whether Jon is a racist or not is purely unimportant. What is important is that you made a personal attack against him.

duckman, you are too funny. Look at the amazing Kreskin, who knows my argument before I make it! How does he know? From the PM exchange we already had on this topic that I initiated so this stupid debate wouldn't be in public:

Attacking someone's argument and attacking their person is not the same thing. Saying an argument is based on racism and calling the person a racist is completely different. The former is done to show that the argument the person is making is not based on any type of logical reasoning, but instead on a set of beliefs that come with the person's skin color. The latter is a personal attack. I did not just say, 'You're a racist' and end the argument. I provided details and arguments of my own, such as the fact that her opponents in the elections are black and also that to change none of the circumstances except her race would lead to a ludicrous situation (ie, saying that the only reason Delay keeps getting re-elected is because he is a white man in a white district).

Hope that clears it up.

There were several personal attacks in this thread, I think the worst I said was that Dutch isn't funny. As for me saying JiMG's statement was racist, when you call the tune...

[stevew]

So anyways.....

A new InsiderAdvantage/Majority Opinion poll for the Democratic primary runoff in Georgia’s 4th Congressional district shows challenger Hank Johnson maintaining his lead over incumbent U.S. Representative Cynthia McKinney by a full 15 percentage points as the runoff election looms closer.

McKinney’s totals moved up from the last poll late last week, but she still sat well behind former DeKalb County Commissioner Johnson.

Hank Johnson – 49 percent
Cynthia McKinney – 34 percent
Undecided – 17 percent.

The tracking survey of 300 likely voters was conducted the evening of July 31, and has a margin of error of plus or minus six percent.

“There has been some shift in African American voters in McKinney’s direction,” said InsiderAdvantage CEO Matt Towery. “However, the black vote remains split with local black leaders endorsing Johnson, who is trouncing McKinney among eligible white voters.”

The winner of the August 8 runoff election will go on to face Republican challenger Catherine Davis in the November general election.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by stevew

So anyways.....

A new InsiderAdvantage/Majority Opinion poll for the Democratic primary runoff in Georgia’s 4th Congressional district shows challenger Hank Johnson maintaining his lead over incumbent U.S. Representative Cynthia McKinney by a full 15 percentage points as the runoff election looms closer.

McKinney’s totals moved up from the last poll late last week, but she still sat well behind former DeKalb County Commissioner Johnson.

Hank Johnson – 49 percent
Cynthia McKinney – 34 percent
Undecided – 17 percent.

The tracking survey of 300 likely voters was conducted the evening of July 31, and has a margin of error of plus or minus six percent.

“There has been some shift in African American voters in McKinney’s direction,” said InsiderAdvantage CEO Matt Towery. “However, the black vote remains split with local black leaders endorsing Johnson, who is trouncing McKinney among eligible white voters.”

The winner of the August 8 runoff election will go on to face Republican challenger Catherine Davis in the November general election.

Now that this idiot no longer represents me, I find this to be decidely bad news.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

I am so tired of people who spend all their time trying to divide us. Ever hear the phrase, "divide and conquer?" Well, this is how you conquer a stupid population. Get them thinking about trivial differences and fighting each other.

I'm heading up a project at work on an oral history of my association and our local industry, and one of the people we just interviewed was a guy who served in Congress for 18 years. We asked him what he thought about the current political climate and he said it just made him sick -- he said back in the day the Republicans and Democrats (he's a Republican) would argue during the course of their job, but at the end of the day almost everybody were friends regardless of politics. He said that's no longer the case, with everyone so focused on winning at all costs and being completely unable to recognize that someone in the other party might have good idea.

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by stevew

“There has been some shift in African American voters in McKinney’s direction,” said InsiderAdvantage CEO Matt Towery. “However, the black vote remains split with local black leaders endorsing Johnson, who is trouncing McKinney among eligible white voters.”[/i]

This was a true sentiment up here when Kwame Kilpatrick looked all but dead against Freeman Hendrix in his attempt to get re-elected mayor of Detroit. In the end, Kilpatrick still won. I would not be terribly surprised if a similar shift occurs to McKinney. Never underestimate how significant race will factor in, especially if it looks like whites have endorsed a candidate. Up here, obviously in the mayor's race, whites could not really make much of a difference considering the city is overwhelmingly black, but the perception that Hendrix was being favored by suburban whites seemed at least to allow a large chunk of Detroit voters to forgive Kilpatrick for all the shenanigans that went on during his first term and re-elect him.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Now that this idiot no longer represents me, I find this to be decidely bad news.

Why ? Or am I missing the sarcasm ? Isn't getting her out of office a good thing for all parties concerned ?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Wolfpack

This was a true sentiment up here when Kwame Kilpatrick looked all but dead against Freeman Hendrix in his attempt to get re-elected mayor of Detroit. In the end, Kilpatrick still won. I would not be terribly surprised if a similar shift occurs to McKinney. Never underestimate how significant race will factor in, especially if it looks like whites have endorsed a candidate. Up here, obviously in the mayor's race, whites could not really make much of a difference considering the city is overwhelmingly black, but the perception that Hendrix was being favored by suburban whites seemed at least to allow a large chunk of Detroit voters to forgive Kilpatrick for all the shenanigans that went on during his first term and re-elect him.

The difference is that McKinney's district doesn't have a heavy majority either way.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Why ? Or am I missing the sarcasm ? Isn't getting her out of office a good thing for all parties concerned ?

Not neccesarily. In Congress, she provides entertainment. I'd rather have her there than in the private sector.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Why ? Or am I missing the sarcasm ? Isn't getting her out of office a good thing for all parties concerned ?

Actually, no. It is better if we have an ineffective sideshow to be the "face" of the left, rather than having a potentially-effective liberal in office. We KNOW that Cynthia will be ineffective, and an embarrassment to the left. That would be far better for the country.

[MrBigglesworth]

Haha, the "face" of the left. Hilarious.

[flere-imsaho]

Because the right has done such a good job, of course.

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

The difference is that McKinney's district doesn't have a heavy majority either way.

That's true, but it could explain why McKinney's getting a late shift in her favor.

[Grammaticus]

I always thought it was a face only a mother could love.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Na na, na na na na, Hey Hey Hey ...

with 98% of precincts reporting
Johnson 41,178 58.8%
McKinney 28,832 41.2%

Bye bye.

[Grammaticus]

Did Leiberman get hosed too?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Na na, na na na na, Hey Hey Hey ...

with 98% of precincts reporting
Johnson 41,178 58.8%
McKinney 28,832 41.2%

Bye bye.

Good, old fashioned butt kicking. Love it.

[flere-imsaho]

Lieberman also lost, though it was close. He's now going to run as an independent, though several prominent democrats (starting with the other CT Senator - Christopher Dodd) are trying to talk him out of it.

If he doesn't run as an independent, I've got $20 that says Bush finds a place for him for the final 2 years of his administration.

[Crapshoot]

Speaking of this stuff,
Dutch's hero (Mr Tom Delay) announced that despite a judicial ruling saying that he cannot be replaced on the ballot, he is not going to run - the GOP is likely to support a write-in candidate to oppose the Democrat. Just off the top of my head - that is likely to serve as a huge disadvantage, IMO.

[bulletsponge]

Lieberman is proof that if you stand up for what you believe is best and dont flip flop with the poles you will get voted out. and we wonder why all politicians are pole driven hypocrites, we wont vote for them if thier not.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

Lieberman is proof that if you stand up for what you believe is best and dont flip flop with the poles you will get voted out. and we wonder why all politicians are pole driven hypocrites, we wont vote for them if thier not.

No, Lieberman tried to play that game as well, and lost:

Joe Lieberman 8/6/2006:

What I will say is this: I not only respect your right to disagree or question the President, I value it. I was part of the anti-war movement in the late 1960s, so I don't need to be lectured by Ned Lamont about the place of dissent in our democracy.

Joe Lieberman 12/2005:

It's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge that he will be the commander in chief for three more critical years and that in matters of war we undermine presidential credibility at our nation's peril.



Joe Lieberman 8/6/2006:

The fact is, I have openly and clearly disagreed with and criticized the President* for, among other things . . . not having a plan to win the peace

Joe Lieberman 12/2005:

Does America have a good plan for doing this, a strategy for victory in Iraq? Yes, we do. And it's important to make clear to the American people that the plan has not remained stubbornly still, but has changed over the years.



Joe Lieberman 8/6/2006:

I said that if I were President, I would ask Secretary Rumsfeld to resign. I first said that in October 2003.*

Joe Lieberman 5/2004:

[i]t is neither sensible nor fair to force the resignation of the secretary of defense, who clearly retains the confidence of the commander in chief, in the midst of a war. . . . Secretary Rumsfeld's removal would delight foreign and domestic opponents of America's presence in Iraq.



*Both said once, and said while running to be the Democratic Presidential Nominee.


Don't kid yourself, Lieberman's just as much a flip-flopper as anyone else out there.

[JediKooter]

So has she asked for a recount yet? Or was she too busy punching poll workers?

[stevew]

voting irregularities. sigh.

At 8:14 a.m., the first complaint appeared: “Less than an hour into voting, McKinney’s name is not on ballot, opponent’s is,” read an item on her blog.

Other similar allegations would follow throughout the day as 4th Congressional District voters decided whether to send McKinney back to Congress, or give the Democratic nomination to runoff opponent, Hank Johnson, a lawyer and former DeKalb County commissioner.

The McKinney Web site noted voting machines not working or mysteriously casting incorrect ballots, “insecure” voting equipment, police harassment, and poll workers refusing to hand out Democratic ballots.

At one campaign stop Tuesday, McKinney said, “We also had a problem at Midway [elementary school polling place], where my name was not on the ballot,” McKinney said.

“My opponent’s name was on the ballot. … We are disappointed that the secretary of state’s office has not dealt adequately with these electronic voting machines and the deficiencties. Also, polling places have opened up and some of the machines were not zero-counted out. … And that is a problem. That is a serious problem.”

Dana Elder, the precinct manager at the school, said there was a power failure around 2:20 p.m. affecting one machine that lists registered voters in the precinct, but it posed no problem because there was another backup machine. The broken machine was fixed within 10 minutes and did not affect the actual voting machines, Elder said.

“It was really nothing,” Elder said.

The Georgia Secretary of State’s Office kept an eye on the elections, with 15 roving monitors on the ground in the 4th District, said spokeswoman Kara Sinkule.

Sinkule noted that the complaints were only coming from the McKinney campaign. “We are not having voters saying we are having equipment malfunctions,” Sinkule said.

McKinney has always held a distrust of the state’s new touch-screen voting machines. She has appeared at events promoted by activists opposed to electronic voting in Georgia. One of her congressional aides, Richard Searcy, was one of the most outspoken critics of Georgia’s electronic voting platform before taking a job in McKinney’s office.

When McKinney beat out five opponents in the Democratic primary in 2004 to re-claim her congressional seat, she did not question the voting machines’ accuracy or the results. On Tuesday, she was anything but silent on the issue.

“Voters should be able to go into the precinct with the assurance that their vote is actually going to be cast, first of all, and counted,” McKinney said Tuesday. “But at this point we have had voters to tell us the voting machines took several tries before they would actually even cast the correct ballots.”

McKinney made other claims about voting problems but did not elaborate or take questions before disappearing into a truck.

Both local and state elections officials said they are taking McKinney’s allegations seriously. But they were also quick to say many of the complaints were unwarranted.

The DeKalb County elections office released a statement addressing complaints from the McKinney campaign.

In answer to an allegation that a voter tried to vote for McKinney, but the machine popped up a vote for Johnson, the office said:

“Upon investigation by the manager, it was determined while the one candidates’s name was touched by the ball of the finger, the fingernail hit the name,” the statement read. “We do not expect voters to cut their nails to vote, but we are cautioning everyone to make certain they are satisfied with their choices before they hit the ‘cast ballot’ button.”

“We don’t have a problem addressing any claims that they have,” said Linda Lattimore, head of elections for DeKalb County, where much of the 4th Congressional District lies. “We’ll investigate and respond to each claim.”

The statement from Lattimore’s office addressed other issues raised by the McKinney campaign, claiming they were immediately rectified when brought to officials’ attention.

Some voters who wanted to vote in the runoff did not realize congressional lines were redrawn by the state Legislature in 2005, Lattimore said. So some voters accustomed to voting in the 4th District were perplexed at not being able to do so.

Lattimore said some voters who were told to wait while a poll worker investigated a problem misinterpreted it as being turned away from the polls. “We ask a voter to wait a second and suddenly [they think] we turn them away.”

Staff writers Jeremy Redmon and Julie Turkewitz contributed to this article.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

So has she asked for a recount yet? Or was she too busy punching poll workers?

Actually, she (so far) has stopped short of demanding a recount but was crying about mysterious "irregularities" as early as 2pm Tuesday.

However, one of her bodyguards is being investigated for possible assault of a local TV cameraman. This same bodyguard (who one article cites as being 67 years old) was involved in a similar incident with a different station's reporter who attempted to question McKinney in DC following the police officer slapping.
Perhaps not so coincidentally, McKinney took great pains last night to blame the media for her loss.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Actually, she (so far) has stopped short of demanding a recount but was crying about mysterious "irregularities" as early as 2pm Tuesday.

However, one of her bodyguards is being investigated for possible assault of a local TV cameraman. This same bodyguard (who one article cites as being 67 years old) was involved in a similar incident with a different station's reporter who attempted to question McKinney in DC following the police officer slapping.
Perhaps not so coincidentally, McKinney took great pains last night to blame the media for her loss.

All politics aside, if I'm 67 years old and capable of being a bodyguard - well, things are going well.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

All politics aside, if I'm 67 years old and capable of being a bodyguard - well, things are going well.

I kinda had the same thought. I first heard the story on radio this afternoon & it didn't mention his age, but a short blurb on ajc.com mentioned it so I'm not sure whether it's accurate or a typo or what.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Speaking of this stuff,
Dutch's hero (Mr Tom Delay) announced that despite a judicial ruling saying that he cannot be replaced on the ballot, he is not going to run - the GOP is likely to support a write-in candidate to oppose the Democrat. Just off the top of my head - that is likely to serve as a huge disadvantage, IMO.

You're so full of shit, crapshoot. I challenge you to find one time where I have ever mentioned Mr Tom Delay in glowing fashion, much less....ever.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

So has she asked for a recount yet? Or was she too busy punching poll workers?

Apparently, her camp was too busy blaming Jews and shouting anti-Semitic comments. That is interesting, to say the least. Oh, they also threw in the obligatory, "now you got your Uncle Tom" comment.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Apparently, her camp was too busy blaming Jews and shouting anti-Semitic comments. That is interesting, to say the least. Oh, they also threw in the obligatory, "now you got your Uncle Tom" comment.

That's ok for them to do that then?

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

That's ok for them to do that then?

You have to ask?

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

Lieberman is proof that if you stand up for what you believe is best and dont flip flop with the poles you will get voted out. and we wonder why all politicians are pole driven hypocrites, we wont vote for them if thier not.

Either that, or proof that you shouldn't call your constituents terrorist sympathizers if they don't vote for you. One of those.

If you change your position based on shifting public sentiment, that is flip flopping on the poles. If you refuse to change course and fail to face the reality that your policy is failing despire the obvious facts on the ground, and call anyone who critizes your failed policy as helping out the terrorists, that's not standing up for what you believe, that is cowardice and arrogance.

Lieberman's loss and national Democratic frustration was not just because of his stance on the war. There are a number of Democratic hawks, including presidential candidates Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton, that are not being 'purged'.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

Lieberman's loss and national Democratic frustration was not just because of his stance on the war. There are a number of Democratic hawks, including presidential candidates Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton, that are not being 'purged'.

Vote 182: S 2766: This amendment called on the president to withdraw troops from Iraq, but set no firm deadline.

The following Dems voted No on this one:

Mark Dayton, Mary Landrieu, Joseph Lieberman, Ben Nelson, Bill Nelson and Mark Pryor

Of those, Mark Dayton, Lieberman, Ben Nelson and Bill Nelson have terms that end in 2007, leaving them vulnerable to immediate backlash.

Your “hawkish” call on Clinton and Biden is not supported by their vote on this bill as they voted with their party, Yes for the pull out. That vote separates them from Lieberman and the others that voted No for the pull out. The Republican party supported a No vote and the Democratic party supported a Yes vote.

Clinton’s term is up in 2007 and Biden’s is up in 2009. The only current session votes where Clinton did not stand in line lock step with her party is regarding the Gulf of Mexico energy security act. A bill to enhance the energy independence and security of the United States by providing for exploration, development, and production activities for mineral resources in the Gulf of Mexico Their were actually 18 democrats that voted with the Republicans on that bill. Lieberman did not vote.

Biden deviated from his party on two major issues. One Offered tax breaks and incentives in what supporters said was an effort to spur oil and gas companies to provide innovative ways to reduce the nation's dependence on foreign oil, conserve resources and reduce pollution. And the other Made it harder for people to erase debt by declaring bankruptcy.

Lieberman deviated from his party on the following The amendment which called on the president to withdraw troops from Iraq, but set no firm deadline. And a bill which Sought to curtail the ability of plaintiffs to file class-action lawsuits against corporations by making cases that were filed in multiple states the responsibility of federal courts.

Of the others who deviated on the Iraq pull out vote:

Mark Dayton is not returning and Democrat Amy Klobuchar is running as the Dems choice against Republican Mark Kennedy.

Ben Nelson is running for re-election in Nebraska a state that Bush carried with 66%. Nelson runs as centrist and claims to be an independent minded guy. Also, Dems probably know they need a centrist to win in Nebraska, so they are leaving Ben alone for now.

Bill Nelson is running in Florida and is trending to win over Republican Katherine Harris. The Dems won’t oust Nelson because Florida is not a sure thing and changing horses could just as likely lose a seat.

Lieberman was targeted because the Dems know a radical liberal can easily take Connecticut. Basically a Republican is not taking Connecticut. If the Dems thought the people in Nebraska and Florida were upset in the form of voting backlash, they would go after Ben Nelson and Bill Nelson too.

[MrBigglesworth]

If you think that the war issue is as simple as a vote on whether or not to eventually withdraw troops, you are very mistaken. I doubt that more than a quarter of the voters in CT even know what Lieberman voted for on that issue.

If you think either Nelson would be fought against in a primary the same way as Lieberman, you are wrong. The issues with Lieberman are much more than just a Nay vote on whether to pull the troops out. And besides, primary challenges inolving incumbent moderates aren't that big of a deal. Specter barely won his primary here in PA two years ago against the highly conservative Toomey, now the head of the Club for Growth, and moderate R Lincoln Chafee is neck and neck with the conservative Laffey in the RI primary that is in September.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Apparently, her camp was too busy blaming Jews and shouting anti-Semitic comments. That is interesting, to say the least. Oh, they also threw in the obligatory, "now you got your Uncle Tom" comment.

Is Mel Gibson her campaign manager? Didn't know that there was a large enough Jewish population in that district to swing the vote over to good 'ol Uncle Tom.

I love how politicians will blame everyone and everything else for losing, but, will never blame themselves.

This chick needs an MRI of her brain, something tells me there will be more blue and green areas than red and yellow.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

Is Mel Gibson her campaign manager? Didn't know that there was a large enough Jewish population in that district to swing the vote over to good 'ol Uncle Tom.

I love how politicians will blame everyone and everything else for losing, but, will never blame themselves.

This chick needs an MRI of her brain, something tells me there will be more blue and green areas than red and yellow.

No Mel was pretty busy profusely opoligizing and trying to look as pathetic as possible.

But it is amazing that a congressperson's troupe was shouting comments that were worse than Gibson's and it got almost no press. The video footage I saw was pretty much two different guys making the statements but McKinney was right next to them and did not show any reaction or attempt to distance herself from the comments.

[yabanci]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

Lieberman is proof that if you stand up for what you believe is best and dont flip flop with the poles you will get voted out. and we wonder why all politicians are pole driven hypocrites, we wont vote for them if thier not.

On behalf of my friends in Poland, I resent this.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

... but McKinney was right next to them and did not show any reaction or attempt to distance herself from the comments.

Maybe because that's pretty much the monologue that her dad has been screaming about consistently since she lost the first time around.

Well, that and his whole bit about how "it's was also the gays fault because they abandoned us, so we're going to abandon them this time now that we're back in control"

Oopsie. Guess that payback kinda got short-circuited at the polls.

[st.cronin]

It's silly to pretend there's not a double standard in this country. Minorities are allowed to be racist, white people aren't.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

No Mel was pretty busy profusely opoligizing and trying to look as pathetic as possible.

But it is amazing that a congressperson's troupe was shouting comments that were worse than Gibson's and it got almost no press. The video footage I saw was pretty much two different guys making the statements but McKinney was right next to them and did not show any reaction or attempt to distance herself from the comments.

Ah, so true, Mel and his spin doctors trying to heal the wounds.....

McKinney is a wack job no doubt and in my opinion by not distancing herself from those comments, she is just as guilty as if she had said them herself. But, then again, I guess you don't have to worry about making comments like that if the people you are talking about are not your constituents.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Maybe because that's pretty much the monologue that her dad has been screaming about consistently since she lost the first time around.

That one didn't get a lot of play in the national media (surprise). For those of y'all that don't know it, this particular lunatic came by it naturally. We alluded to it earlier, but perhaps I should clarify what Jon and I are talking about here. Her deranged daddy attributed her loss in '92 to the fact that "Jews have bought everybody. Jews." Then, presumably just in case the reporter didn't understand who he was talking about, ol' Billy added, "J-E-W-S."

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Then, presumably just in case the reporter didn't understand who he was talking about, ol' Billy added, "J-E-W-S."

Although if you picture him wearing a cheerleading costume while saying it, the whole thing becomes rather funny. Disturbing ... but funny.

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

That one didn't get a lot of play in the national media (surprise). For those of y'all that don't know it, this particular lunatic came by it naturally. We alluded to it earlier, but perhaps I should clarify what Jon and I are talking about here. Her deranged daddy attributed her loss in '92 to the fact that "Jews have bought everybody. Jews." Then, presumably just in case the reporter didn't understand who he was talking about, ol' Billy added, "J-E-W-S."

1992? I thought it was 2002....

[stevew]

Wow, spelling it out like Toni Basil even. And Georgia isn't even a particularly Jewish state, having approximately half as many Jews as the national average.

[Ben E Lou]

My bad. I must have been thinking about "The Chronic." 2002.

Stevew: I'd hazard a guess that, between Dunwoody and the Decatur/Emory/Lavista corridor, Cynthia's former District (not the whole state) has more Jews than the national average.

[stevew]

LOL

In what was likely her final legislative act in Congress, outgoing Georgia Rep. Cynthia McKinney introduced a bill Friday to impeach President Bush.
The legislation has no chance of passing and serves as a symbolic parting shot not only at Bush but also at Democratic leaders. Incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has made clear that she will not entertain proposals to sanction Bush and has warned the liberal wing of her party against making political hay of impeachment.



McKinney, a Democrat who drew national headlines in March when she struck a Capitol police officer, has long insisted that Bush was never legitimately elected. In introducing her legislation in the final hours of the current Congress, she said Bush had violated his oath of office to defend the Constitution and the nation's laws.

In the bill, she accused Bush of misleading Congress on the war in Iraq and violating privacy laws with his domestic spying program.

McKinney has made no secret of her frustration with Democratic leaders since voters ousted her from office in the Democratic primary this summer. In a speech Monday at George Washington University, she accused party leaders of kowtowing to Republicans on the war in Iraq and on military mistreatment of prisoners.

McKinney, who has not discussed her future plans, has increasingly embraced her image as a controversial figure.

She has hosted numerous panels on Sept. 11 conspiracy theories and suggested that Bush had prior knowledge of the terrorist attacks but kept quiet about it to allow friends to profit from the aftermath. She introduced legislation to establish a permanent collection of rapper Tupac Shakur's recordings at the National Archives and calling for a federal investigation into his killing.

But it was her scuffle with a Capitol police officer that drew the most attention. McKinney struck the officer when he tried to stop her from entering a congressional office building. The officer did not recognize McKinney, who was not wearing her member lapel pin.

A grand jury in Washington declined to indict McKinney over the clash, but she eventually apologized before the House.

Don't let the door hit you, where the good lord split you.

[PghSteelerFan]

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

I was away for a number of days, logged back on, clicked my User CP, responded to comments that were MADE TO ME, and called a troll for it by someone with no other purpose in the thread than to come in and inflame things and make personal attacks. Tell me st.cronin, who is the troll here?

Bigglesworth, is this you?

http://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_ci...rval1107p5.asp

[PghSteelerFan]

And here...

http://www.post-gazette.com/regionst...rvalreg5p5.asp

[cartman]

Looks like she is going to run for president under the Green Party banner...

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Cynthia McKinney '08

“The time for confrontation has come for me,” Cynthia McKinney told about 60 supporters on December 4. Launching her quest for the Green Party Presidential nomination, McKinney compared her “revolution” to Haiti, Venezuela, and war-torn Cote d’Ivoire.

“Cynthia,” as she prefers to be called, spoke to a crowd of about 60 gathered at the Paige Library Building on the Campus of Texas Southern University, a primarily African-American college in Houston.

Arriving 10 minutes after the 7 p.m. scheduled start time, McKinney sashayed through the crowd smartly dressed in a colorful pants suit and scarf. Personally greeting each attendee, she handed out pastel flyers emblazoned with the words, “Leading a Peace Slate to Reclaim our Nation.” She looked each potential supporter in the eye, with a big smile, and said, “I really need your support.”

McKinney has taken this message on the road through several states, explaining Green Party members had always supported her candidacy, and she had always shared the party’s philosophy. “They [the Green Party] first asked me in 2000 and again in 2004 to become a part of their national drive,” McKinney told an audience in Illinois recently. “With the Democratic Party having left so many of its base supporters behind, the appeal of the Green Party was one that I could hear.”

She brought a similar message to Houston on December 4th. After two brief (and dynamic) left-wing artists – a poet and a gospel singer – Cynthia took the stage. Her speech was short: 20 minutes tops, and rhythmic – no stuttering; she didn't miss a beat.

Announcing her campaign to reach all “51 States including the District of Columbia” explained: “I've belatedly become a member of the Green Party…No other platform speaks to the African American community as acutely as the Green Party platform.”

Asked about Barack Obama, McKinney echoed a theme from a controversial 2002 Black Congressional Caucus speech. She said, “Look at the Colin Powells, the Condeleeza Rices, the Ward Connerlys...We have to be careful with the black people who are put before us by the media.” She went on to speak of “COINTELPRO,” which she described as a 1960s-era covert plan launched by the CIA to replace Dr. Martin Luther King with a more moderate voice. Apparently, in McKinney’s mind 40 years later, Barack Obama is the CIA’s replacement.

There was virtually no media at McKinney 's speech, save the local Pacifica station, KPFT.

The former six-term Democrat Congresswoman was ousted in 2006 from Georgia’s 4th Congressional district for the second time. In 2002, she spoke to the Black Congressional caucus claiming that President Bush had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks. She also openly solicited $10 million from the Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal; New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani rejected the check after the prince suggested U.S. foreign policy had brought on 9/11. McKinney’s actions resulted in her first electoral defeat in the 2002 Democratic primary, after serving five terms in office. On the night of her 2002 primary defeat, McKinney’s father told media, “Jews have bought everybody...J-E-W-S.” She came back in 2004, and promptly signed a “call for immediate inquiry into evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur.”

Writing for U.S. News and World Report in 2002, Michael Barone pointed out:

Some three-quarters of McKinney's contributions came from people with Muslim or Arab names, most from outside Georgia. She received contributions from people under federal investigation for links to terrorists and from people who have voiced support for Hamas and other terrorist groups in the Middle East. In response to criticism, McKinney said she would not “racially profile” her contributors.

In the 2008 election season, anti-Semitism marks both left-winger McKinney and right-winger Ron Paul. In the fever swamps of the political extremes, few seem to be bothered by it, just as few on the Left seem to note that Haiti is not a great model of success to be emulated.

Reached at his office in San Francisco, ballot access expert Richard Winger explains:

The Greens are on in 21 states right now. If Cynthia McKinney is the nominee, and if she qualifies for primary season matching funds, and if the FEC pays primary season matching funds quickly, it is possible she could get on in all 51.

Ironically, the one state where she might have the greatest difficulty Winger said, was her home State of Georgia. Other states where she might miss the ballot include Indiana, North Carolina, and Oklahoma, all states with notoriously difficult barriers for third party ballot access.

Winger went on to note that McKinney's ultimate success may depend more on the FEC:

The FEC says the money for the two major party conventions comes first, and so does the money for the two major party general election funds. So the extent to which Cynthia gets matching funds early in 2008 depends on the taxpayers checking the box “yes” and sending in their 1040s early.

McKinney seems to be modeling her effort much along the lines of another African-American female presidential candidate from the 1990s Lenora Fulani. Fulani and her cult-like “New Alliance Party” never got more than a half-a-million votes. But they did qualify for millions in federal campaign matching funds. Given McKinney's high profile and celebrity among the conspiracy-minded Left, her impact on the general election could be greater.

Ralph Nader received roughly three million votes in 2004 running on the Green Party line. McKinney’s Presidential effort could pull more African-American votes than Nader did, particularly if Obama falters. A 3-to-5 million vote margin for the Green nominee is possible. That sort of vote margin coming out of the Democrat column could prove devastating to Hillary Clinton.
Just as McKinney’s ideas would prove devastating to the United States.

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