03-17-2007, 12:46 AM | #351 | |
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I agree with both of your points. I was merely defending against a high-major homer that threw out some completely unbalanced stats that don't tell the picture. I only come out in defense of the mid-majors when someone comes in bashing them or making it out like they suck and don't deserve to be there. I am not the aggressor in these discussions, it's the high-major people who try and knock down the mids. Quote:
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a. Money. The amount of money that the High-Majors get over the Mid-Majors is ABSURD. TV, Donations, etc, etc. It's a completely different field b. Media Coverage. The High Majors get a vast amount more. c. Bias. In selection, in TV, in commentators, in everything. A High-Major team that is not as good as a mid-major team will often get into the tourney because they are in a high-major. To try and ignore the obvious distinctions between conferences is absurd. It is FAR from arbritrary.
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03-17-2007, 10:28 AM | #353 |
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Is there a map like Gribble nation to see what games I am going to get? Here in the midwest with Indiana and MSU both playing at the same time I could see it going either way. The local CBS stations website says games TBA so no help there and that is what TiVo says as well. Thanks.
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03-17-2007, 11:53 AM | #354 |
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As a courtesy to FOFC, I'll limit and conclude my annual mid-major screw-job rant to this little speech.
Mid-major at large teams were 4-2 in the first round, with both losses coming to other mid-major at-large teams. The number of mid-major teams making the tournament was its lowest in four years. The number of first-round upsets was its lowest since 2000. I'll give the tournament committee decent credit for seeding playing a role there. Five years ago, Southern Illinois would have been a 10-seed and Illinois would have been an eight, so some upsets have been reduced by giving (some) mid-majors the higher seeds they deserve and giving marginal power conference teams the lower seeds they deserve. Of the five five first round upsets, three were pulled by mid-major, one by at-large Xavier and two by automatic bids VCU and Winthrop. The only "upsets" pulled by power conference teams were in 8/9 games. I'm not going to argue that a Drexel or a Missouri State deserves in over an Illinois or a Stanford (I could, but I won't). I will argue -- with plenty of supporting material, from RPI to actual games played -- that a Missouri State or Drexel is just as deserving as a power conference team. This year, it appeared the committee adopted the old "tie goes to the runner" rationale, determining that if a mid-major and power-conference team were determined to be relatively equal, the tie goes to the power-conference team. If that's the case, the NCAA just needs to say so. They told mid-majors to schedule up, Missouri State beat Wisconsin on a neutral court. They told them to go on the road, Drexel won at Villanova and Syracuse. They told them to beef up their RPI, the Missouri Valley topped the Big XII. So here's the question: What do mid-majors need to do to get into the NCAA tournament? Each year I grow more and more in favor of expanding the tournament, since the NCAA seems completely unwilling and unable to allow mid-majors in to the tournament if they can sneak in an Illinois or a Stanford. If there are 15 teams deemed on the bubble, let's expand to 80 teams and have and have 16 play-in games on Tuesday/Wednesday. The NCAA's already fine with play-in games -- that's established. You take it up to 80 and you have to let the mid-majors in, otherwise the NCAA will be letting in 16-15 teams with a 6-10 record form the ACC in over a 22-8 Air Force team, and then the committee would be exposed for the frauds they are. There are 336 teams the NCAA, meaning 24% would qualify for the tournament. In the NFL 38% of the teams make the playoffs and 27% in MLB. Close to half of I-A football teams play in bowl games. I won't even discuss the NHL and NBA. The NCAA tournament would still be the single-most difficult post-season to qualify for in all of major American sports. I realize this isn't perfect either, because the NCAA in their infinite wisdom would pair up Missouri State vs. Albany and Air Force vs. Texas A&M Corpus Christi and give Illinois and Stanford a first round bye. This would deny Niagra their moment of glory against Kansas that they deserved. The NCCA would need to ball up and give first-round byes to to automatic conference winners, plus the the top at-large teams. The bubble teams should have to play their way to the second round. What would the NCAA have to lose? Two more days of basketball. Gee, fans would hate that. Two more days of games for TV rights. I know the NCAA hates making more money. Doing the right thing. Ah, that's the problem. |
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03-17-2007, 12:16 PM | #356 |
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dola, in case you're not pumped enough for the Louisville-Texas A&M game, just google Louisville Cheerleader (NSFW googling). A somewhat oldie, but definitely a goodie.
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03-17-2007, 12:17 PM | #357 | |
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03-17-2007, 12:22 PM | #358 |
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Anyone else with Directv in the Raleigh Area who is getting the message that the CBS station is "temporarily unavailable?"
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03-17-2007, 01:41 PM | #359 |
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I'm not ignoring differences between conferences. I'm not ignoring anything. It is a discussion that is pointless. Yes it is contrived because the record of a group of mid level conferences against high level conferences means nothing. That's why complaining that they have to play each other is pointless. Yes, I agree that teams from lower-level conferences get less respect than they should. No, I don't agree that lumping them into a huge group and comparing their records with another huge group is doing anything but masturbating. And stop saying I don't understand just because I don't agree with you. I DO understand everything you are saying. And it has nothing to do with following an SEC team. It's not like I sit around in an Arkansas themed room and when something else comes on I change the channels and sing the fight song, you know. Believe it or not, people besides you can see teams besides the one(s) they root for. This is absolutely the last thing I will say on the subject. I mean it this time, too. Last edited by MJ4H : 03-17-2007 at 01:54 PM. |
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5 minutes until our first huge upset?
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03-17-2007, 02:00 PM | #361 |
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And my official elimination from all pools.
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03-17-2007, 02:02 PM | #362 |
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xavier is not playing smart basketball right now... they're playing like Duke
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03-17-2007, 02:03 PM | #363 |
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It bothers me that Motta pulls Oden here....He's your one clear advatange, and you pull him out the game.
Of course, generally Ohio State does a bad job playing through Oden anyway (too many possessions where they just dribble up and take a three). |
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but if you don't pull him now xavier just goes right at him again and again till he fouls out and then you're without him. isn't it better to keep him for the stretch, where he might snag you at least one key board or something? |
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03-17-2007, 02:06 PM | #365 |
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What is up with Texas A&M having 22 people on their roster?
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03-17-2007, 02:06 PM | #366 |
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Ohio State still alive! Great play by Conley
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03-17-2007, 02:07 PM | #367 |
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it's all the white guy's fault. stupid xavier let the white dude shoot.
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but Xavier has no interest in going into the hole right now. They're playing not to lose, which normally seems to make you lose. |
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03-17-2007, 02:08 PM | #369 |
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74 seconds to go, and Xavier looks scared to shoot the basketball. A few minutes ago, they couldn't miss, and now they're scared to shoot.
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03-17-2007, 02:09 PM | #370 |
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and now Gus Johnson is actively rooting for OSU
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03-17-2007, 02:10 PM | #371 |
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I think Gus Johnson had an orgasm when Oden got fouled on that rebound attempt just now.
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03-17-2007, 02:12 PM | #372 |
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Wow, Oden just gave someone the Gerald Henderson business... and fouled out
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03-17-2007, 02:12 PM | #373 |
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That should be a T on Oden.
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03-17-2007, 02:12 PM | #374 |
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Why oh why do you go for the three there?
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Not sure how that wasn't intentional
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03-17-2007, 02:13 PM | #376 |
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It wasn't necessary, but it was a good look.
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03-17-2007, 02:13 PM | #377 |
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yeah. No way if that's anyone other than Oden he doesn't get a T there.
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So if OSU loses, does Oden come out? Or does he come back to college with "something to prove?"
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The refs are not calling a T or an intentional foul at this point in the game. Doesn't matter who it is.
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I agree that that should have been an intentional foul on Oden. Imagine the whining that would've come from people if they'd actually called it, though.
"YOU CAN'T LET THE REFS DECIDE A GAME THAT WAY!!!"
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Panty shot of the Xavier cheerleader... mmmm HD
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1 makes it tough.
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Money.
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Wow.
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03-17-2007, 02:15 PM | #387 |
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mmmm...OMG. He hit the 3!
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HOLY CRAP
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oh shit
seems like the refs decided the game by not calling a T |
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that makes the "non-technical" on Oden a game-changing call.
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Memo to Gus Johnson: Settle down buddy. You're supposed to be impartial remember.
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how good is OSU without Oden right now.
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That wasn't nearly as exciting as that commentator made it to be. It seemed obvious to me that he'd make that shot. Just because of how well they went up with that.
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Man, can we get any more of an obvious bias by the television play-by-play guy?
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Exactly. It was obvious where his allegiance lies. It's as if the Big Ten (+1) commissioner came over and slapped him some payola after the shot.
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Before Cage even shot his first free throw, I said that if he missed one, Ohio State was going to tie the ball game. That's the tournament for you. You just know it's going to happen.
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I disagree 100%. When Xavier was making its run he was just as excited.
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Damn. They're not messing around from out there.
And what's great about that kid's game-tying shot is, even if they'd moved the line back to where it ought to be, it'd still have been a 3.
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Announcers are always going to sound biased against the seem you're rooting for.
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