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Old 06-29-2006, 08:58 AM   #351
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Gary Roberts wants to be traded back to Toronto, according to TSN...
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Old 06-29-2006, 09:03 AM   #352
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I think Frankie Kaberle would be considered top 4 over Commodore, but the point remains the same. Any of those guys is probably considered 3rd pairing in Ottawa, but as unit, they get the job done.

I don't dispute the notion aside from the fact that Commodore/Hedican was usually the first defensive line on the ice. They were all pretty interchangeable, though.
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Old 06-29-2006, 10:05 AM   #353
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Speaking of defensemen... I f*cking hate Andreas f*cking Lilja. It's rare that I hate a current Wings player, but Lilja drives me nuts. He's a big, (appranetly) strong man but he plays pathetically soft and appears to be always out of position. He serves no purpose other than to anger me and be praised for playing great D while, in reality, he's just riding the coattails of Lidstrom.

You left out the part of getting him confused with Peter Worrell...but other than that, right on.
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Old 06-29-2006, 12:16 PM   #354
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Gary Roberts wants to be traded back to Toronto, according to TSN...

Do we really need to take EVERY player that wants to end his career here back?

He's not even a ufa....we would need to give up something to get him.Forget that noise.
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Old 06-29-2006, 12:40 PM   #355
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Do we really need to take EVERY player that wants to end his career here back?

He's not even a ufa....we would need to give up something to get him.Forget that noise.
He'd come cheap... a mid-late draft pick or marginal prospect. The salary is a bigger concern.

I'm mixed on Roberts... I loved the guy when he played here, but he apparently tried to badmouth the team to potential FAs after he left which was a low class move.

Fair warning: If the Leafs don't take him I bet the Senators get him.
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Old 06-29-2006, 01:08 PM   #356
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Put me in the boat that doesnt want Gary back. He's got family concern's, which is why he wants to come back, but he should have thought of that a year ago. An intersting suggestion on the fan 590 today....Trade Domi for Roberts...lol
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Old 06-29-2006, 01:15 PM   #357
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He'd come cheap... a mid-late draft pick or marginal prospect. The salary is a bigger concern.

I'm mixed on Roberts... I loved the guy when he played here, but he apparently tried to badmouth the team to potential FAs after he left which was a low class move.

Fair warning: If the Leafs don't take him I bet the Senators get him.

ML...We don't need another guy to play 25-35 games a year.We have enough of them.The team started to turn around a bit last season when the youth movement came about.Let them play and learn on the job.

Just curious.....Would anyone trade a first round draft pick for Raycroft.Cause basically that's what we gave for him.
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Old 06-29-2006, 02:51 PM   #358
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Ha, I hope so, but I don't see it. Blues have no one on D, new ownership taking over and they need to make a splash. People are going to want to see this kid play, and I think the pressure may cause both sides to cave.

St. Louis isn't used to being a loser (In the regular season anyway) so they're not going to stand pat for multiple years of dispair, even if it's inevitable.

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Old 06-29-2006, 02:54 PM   #359
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TSN reports that Redden has re-signed with the Senators for $6.5 million a year for 2 years.

It would be really interesting to see the kind of money that some of these free agents would have gotten if there was no cap in place.
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Old 06-29-2006, 03:10 PM   #360
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FSN Pittsburgh fires Mike Lange as Penguins play-by-play man!

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/06180/702194-100.stm

I'm biased, but one of the great play-by-play guys...I was 15 when I remember him says "Lord Stanley, Lord Stanley, bring me the brandy....the Pittsburgh Penguins win the Stanley Cup"
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Old 06-29-2006, 03:12 PM   #361
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TSN reports that Redden has re-signed with the Senators for $6.5 million a year for 2 years.

It would be really interesting to see the kind of money that some of these free agents would have gotten if there was no cap in place.

I find it kind of strange that players are getting what seems to be fair market value without changing teams. Redden stays, McCabe stays, Sakic stays, Blake and Lidstrom are both expected to stay, Luongo just re-signed. a lot of guys last year signed long term deals a year before hitting UFA.

seems like since there can't be any real significant bidding wars, guys are just staying with their clubs and not really shopping around for better cities/organizations to play in.
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Old 06-29-2006, 03:40 PM   #362
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I find it kind of strange that players are getting what seems to be fair market value without changing teams. Redden stays, McCabe stays, Sakic stays, Blake and Lidstrom are both expected to stay, Luongo just re-signed. a lot of guys last year signed long term deals a year before hitting UFA.

seems like since there can't be any real significant bidding wars, guys are just staying with their clubs and not really shopping around for better cities/organizations to play in.

I agree. I think another factor playing a role is that it seems that the earlier you sign the more money you make. It certainly appeared that way last year. As more and more players get signed, caps start getting tighter and tighter.

I also think it's a bit easier to gauge your value thanks to both the cap and the 20% rule.
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Old 06-29-2006, 03:42 PM   #363
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The $6.5M for Redden is fine, but the two years is odd when most FAs are getting four or five. Sounds like Wade's not 100% sold on Muckler's future plans and wants to keep his options open.
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Old 06-29-2006, 03:46 PM   #364
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FSN Pittsburgh fires Mike Lange as Penguins play-by-play man!

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/06180/702194-100.stm

I'm biased, but one of the great play-by-play guys...I was 15 when I remember him says "Lord Stanley, Lord Stanley, bring me the brandy....the Pittsburgh Penguins win the Stanley Cup"


when i would watch the devils on the center ice package, it always stuck out to me just how awful the pitt announcers were.

i cant say for sure it was Lange's fault...but the odds are 50-50.
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Old 06-29-2006, 04:09 PM   #365
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Just read an article on yahoo talking about McCabe, and how the reason he's saying that he didn't sign the deal earlier wasn't because of money/content, but because of timing.

Now, I'm fully for a guy wanting to support his wife if she's having health troubles and the like, which is what he seems to be citing, but he also says that it's the same deal that he agreed to in May, and that it didn't change. Then he goes on to say how difficult it is to see his wife getting called out in the paper day in and day out and all that sort of stuff.

So how hard would it have been to just sign the deal and eliminate all those extra headaches if the deal was agreed to at least a month ago? It really makes very little sense that signing a deal he had agreed to would cause him to miss out on being there for his wife, so instead they both get more upset by the rumors that begin to circulate centered around her.

Sounds like some spin doctoring by McCabe to get his wife's name out of the mud, but a poor job at that unless I'm really missing something here.
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Old 06-29-2006, 04:13 PM   #366
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Sounds like some spin doctoring by McCabe to get his wife's name out of the mud, but a poor job at that unless I'm really missing something here.
I'm assuming it's either his wife or his infant son. In either case, they may have been thinking that if things took a turn for the worse it would be preferable to sign in Long Island and be near her family.
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Old 06-29-2006, 04:52 PM   #367
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FSN Pittsburgh fires Mike Lange as Penguins play-by-play man!

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/06180/702194-100.stm

I'm biased, but one of the great play-by-play guys...I was 15 when I remember him says "Lord Stanley, Lord Stanley, bring me the brandy....the Pittsburgh Penguins win the Stanley Cup"

The Pens offered him the job to do pbp on radio as a result of this.
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Old 06-29-2006, 04:58 PM   #368
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Just curious.....Would anyone trade a first round draft pick for Raycroft.Cause basically that's what we gave for him.

We traded a 1st rounder for Roloson...so yes.
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Old 06-29-2006, 05:21 PM   #369
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We traded a 1st rounder for Roloson...so yes.

Don't forget the 3rd if we resign him too.
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Old 06-29-2006, 05:54 PM   #370
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So, the Avs apparently fucked themselves from contracts of 5 years ago.

http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_3987191



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Old 06-29-2006, 07:56 PM   #371
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Old 06-29-2006, 10:23 PM   #372
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I'm assuming it's either his wife or his infant son. In either case, they may have been thinking that if things took a turn for the worse it would be preferable to sign in Long Island and be near her family.

Yeah, that's what I think this was about... and I really don't understand why a lot of people are jumping on McCabe over this. This is a very different situation than the Pronger/Edmonton one, and shouldn't be compared...
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Old 06-29-2006, 10:33 PM   #373
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Yeah, that's what I think this was about... and I really don't understand why a lot of people are jumping on McCabe over this. This is a very different situation than the Pronger/Edmonton one, and shouldn't be compared...
True... now that we know some details. Given that nobody knew what was going on the past three weeks because McCabe (understandably) wasn't talking, it's not hard to imagine where the rumors came from.

If anything, maybe seeing McCabe break down in front of the TV cameras today talking about JFJ taking the heat for him might erase a small bit of Ferguson's reputation around the league.
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Old 06-30-2006, 12:06 AM   #374
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Ok, why are the Leafs going to buy out Domi's contract? If they do they'll save $450,000 but his entire contract of $1.5 Million will count towards the cap because of his status under the CBA. MLSE isn't hard up for cash, so what is the benefit of doing this?
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Old 06-30-2006, 12:19 AM   #375
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Ok, why are the Leafs going to buy out Domi's contract? If they do they'll save $450,000 but his entire contract of $1.5 Million will count towards the cap because of his status under the CBA. MLSE isn't hard up for cash, so what is the benefit of doing this?

He has the ear of too many players in the dressingroom,which was fine during the Quinn era as Domi was a Quinn supporter.Perhaps he and Maurice do not see eye to eye.
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Old 06-30-2006, 07:23 AM   #376
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The Pens offered him the job to do pbp on radio as a result of this.

Yeah...but FSN blows. They weren't great to begin with, and now they cut Savran from radio and Lange from TV.
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Old 06-30-2006, 08:37 AM   #377
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Stars buy out Guerin, and the purge is complete. *shudder*
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Old 06-30-2006, 08:55 AM   #378
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Stars buy out Guerin, and the purge is complete. *shudder*

They've halted negotiations with Arnott as well.
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Old 06-30-2006, 09:38 AM   #379
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They've halted negotiations with Arnott as well.


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Old 06-30-2006, 09:45 AM   #380
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I'd get excited about Arnott...if the Avs had money.
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Old 06-30-2006, 10:22 AM   #381
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Belfour and Domi are expected to be put on waivers today.Looks like Roberts is coming to the Leafs for a 3rd or 4th round draft pick.

In other new Bill Barilkos body went missing again.....
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Old 06-30-2006, 10:48 AM   #382
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Hurricanes re-sign Andrew Hutchinson for very cheap money (2 years/$950,000). He was mostly a bit player this year, but with the defense corps up in the air this offseason, he may be getting a lot more ice time next year along with Anton Babchuk. Wesley still hasn't decided one way or another about coming back and Wallin and Ward have been tendered offers, but obviously that's only step one. Hedican also hasn't said anything about his plans for next year, though he's currently under contract. He went through a lot of health problems before the lockout enabled him to get the surgery and therapy he desperately needed to get better finally. Now that he has his Cup win, does he want to risk his health further by continuing to play?

Elsewhere for Carolina, rumors continue to come up that Staal and Justin Williams are going to be signing in fairly short order and at least in Staal's case the reason it hasn't been announced yet is that by CBA rules, his signing can't be official until tomorrow. Given that Brindy's still the highest paid player on the team at $4 mill/yr and he got a five-year extension, I wonder if PK/JR are willing to put up a similar big number and time period for someone who could be a perennial all-star. I do so because generally the SOP for Carolina is a general aversion to long-term, big-dollar deals. Of course now that the cap is in place and the lockout is no longer an issue, we may see them loosening things up a bit.

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Old 06-30-2006, 10:54 AM   #383
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The Leafs are planning on going after Jay McKee & Jason Arnott...

A question regarding Belfour... Do the Leafs take a cap hit if they don't pick up his option?
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Old 06-30-2006, 10:57 AM   #384
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The Leafs are planning on going after Jay McKee & Jason Arnott...

A question regarding Belfour... Do the Leafs take a cap hit if they don't pick up his option?

Jay McKee's name has been linked with pretty much every team looking for a defensemen. He is always mentioned as the "B-level" guy everyone wants, since teams will find it hard to stomach the salary demands the likes of Chara, Jovo, Blake (if he doesn't re-sign), etc.

I think Jay McKee will stand to earn a pretty penny this summer.
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The Leafs are planning on going after Jay McKee & Jason Arnott...

A question regarding Belfour... Do the Leafs take a cap hit if they don't pick up his option?

I'm pretty sure they do.

McKee is a nice player who excelled during the play-offs to national exposure.I hope they don't overpay for him because he really is what he is...a stay at home D.4 mil tops for him i would think,but i'd be more comfotable with 3 mil.

Is Arnott a center?Don't we have enough of those already?Would it not be smarter to spend the $$ we have on a winger for Mats?
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Old 06-30-2006, 11:00 AM   #386
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Old 06-30-2006, 11:05 AM   #388
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Anyone know if the Rangers are doing anything?

The big names that I have heard linked to the Rangers are Chara and Elias. The Rangers have denied that they will be willing to spend the $ necessary to land Chara, which also may mean they wont be willing to spend the $ necessary to get Elias.

The Rangers were also mentioned in the Pronger sweepstakes.
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A question regarding Belfour... Do the Leafs take a cap hit if they don't pick up his option?
There's a $1.5M buyout. That counts against the cap, I think spread out over two years. The rest of his salary does not.
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Old 06-30-2006, 11:10 AM   #390
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Thrashers re-sign D Steve McCarthy, apparently 1 yr/$775k.

And from http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sp...thrashers.html

They've chosen not to make qualifying offers to Bondra, Petrovicky, Vigier, and Aubin. Also not receiving offers were several players who spent last year in the AHL and/or ECHL including former enforcer Francis Lessard, defenseman Tomas Kloucek, goalie Adam Berkhoel, D Jeff Dwyer and F Brian Maloney.

Players whose rights the team has retained include goalie Kari Lehtonen, newly acquired center Niko Kapanen, defensemen Brian Sipotz, and forwards Kevin Doell, Karl Stewart and Colin Stuart.

edit to add: GM Waddell says he expects that Bondra will retire.
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Old 06-30-2006, 11:34 AM   #391
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McKee is a nice player who excelled during the play-offs to national exposure.I hope they don't overpay for him because he really is what he is...a stay at home D.4 mil tops for him i would think,but i'd be more comfotable with 3 mil.

McKee not only excelled during the playoffs but was fantastic during the regular season. An absolute rock on defense. Led the entire NHL in blocked shots by a wide margin.

Buffalo's chances of resigning him are pretty much slim to none. They certainly have the funds after making over $5 million in profit this year (plus they presumably are trading Martin Biron and his $2+ million in salary). They also have plenty of room under the cap, even after signing all their restricted free agents.

However, Buffalo is big on maintaining the proper structure in their salaries. So I can tell you that Jay McKee WILL NOT be paid more money than Chris Drury or Daniel Briere, and rightfully so. That means Buffalo will only offer about $2.5 million a year at most to maintain that structure they've built.

I'll tell you this much. McKee is worth every penny of $2.5 million but someone will without doubt overpay for his services, likely in the $3.2-$3.5 million territory. A stay-at-home defenseman, even with his fantastic leadership skills, isn't worth that type of scratch and fans will likely be disappointed in the return.
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Old 06-30-2006, 11:51 AM   #392
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Old 06-30-2006, 12:02 PM   #395
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wow, Lidstrom to Nashville. didn't see that one coming at all

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Dude, seriously. That shit was not funny. I repeat, not funny.









In all honesty, I read that and all the blood either ran to my head or left my head. I am not sure, all I know is that I swooned a bit in my chair.
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Old 06-30-2006, 12:03 PM   #396
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Old 06-30-2006, 12:05 PM   #397
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Lidstrom at $7.6 million for two years. He is making exactly the same he made last year. Is Lidstrom worth $1.1 million more than Wade Redden? Yeah, I think so. Pronger? Eh, probably not.

That said, Lidstrom is one of best defensemen in the league and, in all likelihood, will go down as one of the Top 10 defensemen ever in the NHL. In a way, he's taking a pay cut by not asking for the max, so the Wings will have a little more salary to work with than last year.

Next up Osgood and Shanahan. Yzerman said his deadline for deciding is tomorrow, but he has said that before. He's allowed as much time as is needed...
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Old 06-30-2006, 12:31 PM   #398
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TSN reports: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=170103&hubname=nhl

Tampa Bay has traded Fredrick Modin and Fredrik Norrena to Columbus for Marc Denis.
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Old 06-30-2006, 12:33 PM   #399
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I like Denis, but I think the Lightning got taken on that one
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Old 06-30-2006, 12:34 PM   #400
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interesting. in the year of the goalie (not defensemen, damnit!), tb went outside the box.

i assume denis is cheaper than giguere (sp?), nabakov, or any other available western conference goalie.
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