COVID-19 - Wuhan Coronavirus (a non-political thread, see pg. 36 #1778)

[whomario]

Best i could find for an Overview in english:

Coronavirus destroys lungs. But doctors are finding its damage in kidneys, hearts and elsewhere. - SFGate

Coronavirus may cause lasting damage throughout body, doctors fear - The Jerusalem Post

More Bad News on the Long-Term Effects of the Coronavirus


It still could be overreaction simply because of the scope of scrutiny and it being so new of course and in a year it turns out people are largely back to normal. The lung is a damn resillient organ with lots of healing power.
Still, seems prudent to keep in mind when people take the "well, only old people die" approach to extremes.
Lots of shitty effects come from illnesses that don't kill you, too.

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by Galaril

From Molson's link:
There is a lot of truth in the above-displayed meme, for instance:

The majority of deaths during the 1918-19 pandemic occurred during the “second wave.”
More people died worldwide during this pandemic (50 to 100 million) than in all of World War I (about 20 million).
The end of WWI and subsequent military parades enabled a resurgence of influenza.
Generally speaking, there was an increase in influenza cases in places where social distancing rules were ignored.

However, the timeline presented in this meme is inaccurate and, contrary to what the text implies, the second wave of this pandemic was not fueled mainly by a lack of social distancing.

Yeah, as I mentioned, most sources blame the end of the war for cases due to parades, etc., but all data (limited) I found, while the second wave overlapped the end of the war, the second wave in most areas preceded it by a month.

[miked]

We are studying this in my lab and yes, there is lots of damage outside the lungs.

[whomario]

I have a question: Do your supermarkets have protective barriers for the cashiers ? (Like acryllic glas). Read this article and saw the picture without one, which seems crazy considering how cheap and easy to install it is (just hang it from the ceiling)...

Experts say it may be time for grocery stores to ban customers from coming inside - CNN

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by whomario

I have a question: Do your supermarkets have protective barriers for the cashiers ? (Like acryllic glas). Read this article and saw the picture without one, which seems crazy considering how cheap and easy to install it is (just hang it from the ceiling)...

Experts say it may be time for grocery stores to ban customers from coming inside - CNN

I think it is up to the market. Ours do here but I am in New Jersey.

[Gary Gorski]

Originally Posted by RendeR

The people screaming at the storm about economic issues are not looking at this from a big picture angle, they have one focus, money and little else.

Daryl Morey on Twitter: "… "

[NobodyHere]

The number of reported cases has really jumped in Ohio the last couple days. Now I'm worried again about the governor shutting my job down.

At least the percentage increase in deaths has slowed.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Gary Gorski

Daryl Morey on Twitter: "… "

Is China going to get pissed at the NBA and people take completely the wrong lesson from this Tweet, too?

SI

[NobodyHere]

The virus has me thinking about trying Nutrisytem again, at least doing that would cut out the majority of my grocery shopping.

[sterlingice]

https://apnews.com/4f0a4ca93cc2fee94d386efb13db31a0
Headline: "‘Cartels are scrambling’: Virus snarls global drug trade"

Virtually every illicit drug has been impacted, with supply chain disruptions at both the wholesale and retail level. Traffickers are stockpiling narcotics and cash along the border, and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration even reports a decrease in money laundering and online drug sales on the so-called dark web.

“The godfathers of the cartels are scrambling,” said Phil Jordan, a former director of the DEA’s El Paso Intelligence Center.

Cocaine prices are up 20 percent or more in some cities. Heroin has become harder to find in Denver and Chicago, while supplies of fentanyl are falling in Houston and Philadelphia. In Los Angeles, the price of methamphetamine has more than doubled in recent weeks to $1,800 per pound.

SI

[IlliniCub]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

The number of reported cases has really jumped in Ohio the last couple days. Now I'm worried again about the governor shutting my job down.

At least the percentage increase in deaths has slowed.

Deaths are a lagging indicator by 2 to 3 weeks. Sadly if your cases jumped today, your death toll realistically will jump proportionally to that.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

The virus has me thinking about trying Nutrisytem again, at least doing that would cut out the majority of my grocery shopping.

Will you try this Soylent thing and let me know Forbidden

FWIW, I'm gaining weight. Snacking all the fraking time.

[Brian Swartz]

It is possible it could be a reporting issue though. I'd wait a few more days and see if it's a sustained increase before I really got worried.

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

The number of reported cases has really jumped in Ohio the last couple days. Now I'm worried again about the governor shutting my job down.

At least the percentage increase in deaths has slowed.

Saw the same thing, there is an article about it spreading in a Marion County jail. I wonder if that is driving the numbers?

EDIT: Just read this morning, that is driving the spike in numbers.

[kingfc22]

Keep on protesting KY and folks anywhere else for that matter, I'm sure COVID-19 will see your signs and leave your area.

https://www.kentucky.com/news/corona...242124556.html

[Galaril]

Well deaths are way down so far today so maybe we are starting to see the end of high death rate tunnel.

[whomario]

Italy with less active cases than the day before for the first time.

Germany opened small businesses and people ignore that small finger and grab the whole hand from what i have seen. Plus media pushing stories about possible Summer vacation, Bundesliga might start soon with empty stadiums (but you just know there will be private viewing Parties)
Think we might be fucked without some major Breaks, people just utterly disapointingly unable to heed simple rules and limit themselves in their free time. If everybody was dilligent there, it would be much easier to allow/do more essential stuff like work and family meetings.

[ISiddiqui]

That's the fear I had with gradual reopening. People just going hogwild while if they were more cautious things would be ok.

[Lathum]

We have seen the runs on TP and baking goods. I predict the next one will be sunscreen.

[PilotMan]

And Kentucky is officially done with in person classes for the rest of this school year. Not surprised, but disappointed. I really never thought they would go back, but had hoped they'd get the chance.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

And Kentucky is officially done with in person classes for the rest of this school year. Not surprised, but disappointed. I really never thought they would go back, but had hoped they'd get the chance.

I feel like our governor in NJ has been pretty proactive in his responses. It is really odd that they haven't called school for the year yet. I just wish they would get it over with at this point.

[Edward64]

In the school district my daughter is at they basically said a student can't get lower grade than what they had going into the pause. My daughter has all A's so she is effectively done with her senior year.

She has been accepted to her college of choice. Unknown how that will work out in Aug/Sep though.

[ISiddiqui]

Oh God, our Governor (Georgia) is a moron. We are starting reopening on Friday, with gyms (YES, gyms!), salons, bowling alleys and then also restaurant and theaters with 'guidelines'. Our cases are rising daily... this is insane!

[JPhillips]

If we reopen without gauging it to metrics and without a plan for testing and tracing, it really will have all been for nothing.

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by Lathum

We have seen the runs on TP and baking goods. I predict the next one will be sunscreen.

Unlikely. We're living on the edge now, why fear skin cancer when COVID-19 is out there to kill you before the cancer can even spread?

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

bowling alleys

Bowling alleys??

[ISiddiqui]

Apparently it's really important to open bowling alleys for some reason... I wonder if some bowling guy gave a big donation to Kemp.

[cuervo72]

I wouldn't imagine the (any) state would have more than like, four "bowling guys" at this point.

[grdawg]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Oh God, our Governor (Georgia) is a moron. We are starting reopening on Friday, with gyms (YES, gyms!), salons, bowling alleys and then also restaurant and theaters with 'guidelines'. Our cases are rising daily... this is insane!

I've been complaining about him for weeks. This won't change what I do, not going anywhere still. I know it sucks for everyone, I haven't really gone anywhere for 5 weeks, but if we just do this until the end of May, we probably could be in pretty good shape. Now we are going to open too early and have to do this again.

[miami_fan]

So, why aren’t they opening up all their pro and college stadiums for games?

All the talk about playing sports without fans is mute, no?

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Oh God, our Governor (Georgia) is a moron. We are starting reopening on Friday, with gyms (YES, gyms!), salons, bowling alleys and then also restaurant and theaters with 'guidelines'. Our cases are rising daily... this is insane!

Our Governor(McMaster) is also a moron:

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[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Oh God, our Governor (Georgia) is a moron. We are starting reopening on Friday, with gyms (YES, gyms!), salons, bowling alleys and then also restaurant and theaters with 'guidelines'. Our cases are rising daily... this is insane!

I am truly flabbergasted.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Our Governor(McMaster) is also a moron:

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South Carolina's seems a lot saner... opening small retail businesses with restrictions on them, giving discretion to local municipalities to open/close beaches etc as they see fit, and still having police with the authority to disperse even groups as small as 3 people.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

South Carolina's seems a lot saner... opening small retail businesses with restrictions on them, giving discretion to local municipalities to open/close beaches etc as they see fit, and still having police with the authority to disperse even groups as small as 3 people.

But if Mayor A opens his beach and Mayor B doesn't, won't the results be Mayor As beach is twice as crowded potentially creating a worse public health crisis?

I live on the Jersey shore, people who want to go to the beach will travel a fuw towns over, or farther even.

[RainMaker]

I still don't think the Governors or Mayors are going to have that much say. This is still going to be a bottom up decision. Just don't see that many people sitting down at a busy restaurant even if they can.

My guess the decision on gyms has to do with memberships and someone lobbying hard. They don't like refunding money and now they can claim they're open for all the people who don't want to risk coming in and working out.

[molson]

The chain theaters and gyms closed before they were ordered to, I wouldn't expect them to rush out and open as soon as they can in the handful of states where it's allowed. It would make more sense for the national chain theaters to do a coordinated launch. I don't if the gyms are more of an independent franchise thing, but I'd expect them to have national rules and timelines too.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Lathum

But if Mayor A opens his beach and Mayor B doesn't, won't the results be Mayor As beach is twice as crowded potentially creating a worse public health crisis?

I live on the Jersey shore, people who want to go to the beach will travel a fuw towns over, or farther even.

Myrtle Beach said they'd keep them closed, wouldn't surprise me if it broke down along those lines - places where people might come from out of the area to stay could keep them closed, but small towns open up for local residents. I could see it being an issue with Lake Wylie right across the border from Charlotte, and that highlighting how state borders aren't exactly the best way to do things, but with the cat out of the bag it's not the worst thing to have different states trying different approaches.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Lathum

But if Mayor A opens his beach and Mayor B doesn't, won't the results be Mayor As beach is twice as crowded potentially creating a worse public health crisis?

I live on the Jersey shore, people who want to go to the beach will travel a fuw towns over, or farther even.

Correct because its going to happen here in Myrtle, Myrtle Mayor said no to reopening, N. Myrtle said yes, still waiting to hear from others.

[tarcone]

These protesters that want to open the country up. I saw a report today and the woman was complaining she lost her job. My daughter just got a job at Wal-Mart. Yes, the government just gave you an extra $600 but dont bitch about it and instead of protesting, go apply for a job.

F-ing idiots. This country is far fro shit down

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Well deaths are way down so far today so maybe we are starting to see the end of high death rate tunnel.

And if states are starting to reopen, in two weeks it'll explode again.

[CrimsonFox]

Milwaukee has recorded 7 cases linked to in person voting.

[CrimsonFox]

[ISiddiqui]

So I have a friend who is a doctor and administrator at Emory, one of the largest hospital systems in Metro Atlanta (I think only Piedmont is larger?). He said their ICU beds are full. Opening the state up now is such a bad idea - how about waiting until ICU capacity isn't at max already?

That's not mentioning how South GA (Albany) is one of the big flash points in the county and hasn't slowed down.

Shouldn't the curve flatten even a little bit before you think of doing this?

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[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

So I have a friend who is a doctor and administrator at Emory, one of the largest hospital systems in Metro Atlanta (I think only Piedmont is larger?). He said their ICU beds are full. Opening the state up now is such a bad idea - how about waiting until ICU capacity isn't at max already?

That's not mentioning how South GA (Albany) is one of the big flash points in the county and hasn't slowed down.

Shouldn't the curve flatten even a little bit before you think of doing this?

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wow in metro atlanta?

I was thinking that the cities are the ones that are finally coming to that peak and MAYBE going down (if they were isolating) and the rural areas are this week coming up the hill of sickbursts.

yikes

[grdawg]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

So I have a friend who is a doctor and administrator at Emory, one of the largest hospital systems in Metro Atlanta (I think only Piedmont is larger?). He said their ICU beds are full. Opening the state up now is such a bad idea - how about waiting until ICU capacity isn't at max already?

That's not mentioning how South GA (Albany) is one of the big flash points in the county and hasn't slowed down.

Shouldn't the curve flatten even a little bit before you think of doing this?

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Then this makes even less sense to open up. I assumed that hospital and ICU rates were declining, but it’s not like we got any information from the governor about that like they are getting in New York daily.

[SirFozzie]

If you want to see what they did in Taiwan to crush the curve, I found this interesting reading:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-b8420170203e


amongst the things Taiwan did BEFORE the city of Wuhan shutdown

Early and strict travel bans, updated every day.
They centralized the management of mask production, starting at 2.4 million per day (twice their need of 1.3 million at the time).
They set the price to avoid profiteering, initially at USD $0.50 per mask.
The penalty for price gouging for masks and other key items became 1–7 years in jail and a fine up to USD $167,000.
The spread of fake news could be fined with USD $100,000.
Proactive detection of cases: They tested all people who had previously had flu symptoms but tested negative for flu, finding some coronavirus patients.

during the pandemic?

The official price of masks was eventually down to ~$0.20 by the end of February.

Eventually, they ramped up production to 10 million masks per day (for a population of 23 million) before the end of March. Masks were rationed and their export banned.

Travel and healthcare databases were connected, so healthcare professionals could know who was at a higher risk of being infected. The Taiwanese CDC could track what was happening on the field in real time.

It triaged travelers based on their risk, from free to enter the country with self-monitoring to mandated quarantines.

Quarantine support with food and encouragement.

Enforcement of the quarantine through people’s existing phone signals. If they don’t have a phone, the government provides them with one. An alert is sent to the authorities if the handset is turned off for more than 15 minutes.
Persons who were not compliant with home quarantine orders were turned over to law enforcement and tracked by police officers.

A couple was fined USD $10,000 for breaking the 14-day home quarantine rule.

Let's go through that next to last one. This was a first person account of someone who traveled to Taiwan during the pandemic.

8:30am the next day, I was woken up by early morning call. It was from the local government council to confirm where I am, that I am who I am, and check my travel history and current health issues and symptoms.

14:30 Afternoon, another random call came from local council checking with me. “Standard random checking Mr. Chen. Local officer will do an initial home visit to your place at 15:00. You felt well?”

“I am fine, so you do random calls to ensure us stay home?” I asked.

“Yes, we do, 2–3 times per day. Please do not leave your address and take necessary precautions to protect your family. If you leave home, I am afraid the police will be on their way soon.”

“But how do you know people leave home? I was not GPS-tracked as I have not received any tracking mobile phone device to carry at the airport?” I raised the question.

“No. The mobile phone only will be given if you do not have one. Since you got your own phone, please make sure you have it on at all time for the next 14 days. If you lost your signal, please contact us by other means immediately otherwise it might trigger police attendance at your door step…..”.

“You mean I am tracked already…..? “

“Yes, you provided us your number and that was enough.”

A message was received later at 20:30, asking me to report back to an after hour number. I rang back and asked why as I did not breach any rule.

“You might have lost signal temporarily or did not make any movement for an extended period of time, so the system thought you might have left your phone at home and we can not risk you going out.” The after hour service officer told me. So their system can detect you’re idle if you don’t move much expected…

That is the reason that Taiwan sports were able to resume. Now, without getting political, would you see ANY of the things that Taiwan did working in the US?

[GrantDawg]

I talked to a Critical Care Nurse that works for the Atlanta VA today. He told me that normally they see about one death every month. They are currently seeing six a day. He said most of the staff have worked in war zone, but they are not prepared for this. They have called counselors in for support. Good thing our governor wants to open the state back up to make it worse.

[Edward64]

I need a haircut but will wait 2-3 weeks to see if cases continue to decrease and if hospitals/ICU/ventilators/healthcare workers are more freed up.

My problem with Kemp is there is no communication. In my line of work, we impact a lot of people with "change". So we tell people change is coming, we tell them what the change is, why the change is happening, how it will impact them, train them for the change, measure their acceptance of the change etc. and then update & mitigate as needed.

On Sun/Mon, Kemp says we are opening up this Fri and here minimal details. But there are no real details, no planning, no training or rules yet. If people could see there was a plan, I can see it being accepted and adhered to better.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

wow in metro atlanta?

I was thinking that the cities are the ones that are finally coming to that peak and MAYBE going down (if they were isolating) and the rural areas are this week coming up the hill of sickbursts.

yikes

Oh, it's even worse.. the Governor like 4 days ago converted the Georgia World Congress Center into a makeshift hospital:

Coronavirus Updates: 200-Bed Surge Hospital Nears Opening At World Congress Center | 90.1 FM WABE

Which just started taking patients this weekend:

Georgia Has Started Treating Coronavirus Patients In Atlanta's Convention Center | 90.1 FM WABE

So you open a makeshift 200 bed hospital in the Convention Center and then a few days later talk about opening things up?! How does any of this make sense?!

And Atlanta started a bit later than the California cities and NYC. We are just starting to get into the peak, whereas Albany GA (for whatever reason) has been really bad well earlier than Atlanta.

[Lathum]

It’s almost as if a governor who won a rigged election isn’t qualified.