2012 Presidential Campaign

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Seriously? Cutting taxes on dividends, capital gains, mutual funds? That's your pitch to middle class voters? How about a tax credit for my yacht, Mr. Romney?

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

You mean everybody in the middle class doesn't have a multimillion dollar investment portfolio??

Well, that pretty much defines my 401k/retirement savings, so...

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Yeah, it's political suicide to get rid of any of the popular deductions. I mean the reason they were put in was to get votes. Religious groups would throw a fit at charitable deductions, and everyone else would be furious with deductions on health insurance and mortgage interest.

Isn't eliminating the mortgage, charity, and employer health care deductions the big planks for the Simpson-Bowles plan?

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Again Romney shouting over the moderator. Dick move.

I don't get this. If Biden is a hero for it, then why is Romney a dick for doing the same?

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

I don't get this. If Biden is a hero for it, then why is Romney a dick for doing the same?

Because DT is in the tank for Obama/Biden, duh.

(but yeah, you knew that)

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

It's like Mitt's decided that he's not going to poll well amongst women, so why even try? "I want an economy so strong employers will let women go home early and take care of the kids?"

The interesting thing, if you follow the CNN tracker, it looks like that Romney does better with women than men, and vice versa for Obama. That doesn't mean neither one are "winning" them, but just an interesting note.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

I don't get this. If Biden is a hero for it, then why is Romney a dick for doing the same?

I didn't think it was great when Biden did it (did I say that I did?). But Romney has done it in a much more smug way IMO. But yes...that could very well be my bias there if I did.

[CrimsonFox]

Binders full of women is how mormons roll...or should I say how they rolodex.

Is Romney the Fonz or Sam Malone?

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I didn't think it was great when Biden did it (did I say that I did?). But Romney has done it in a much more smug way IMO. But yes...that could very well be my bias there if I did.

I actually think both Obama and Romney are doing it, but then again, my initial thoughts of the moderator being horrible still ring true.

[sterlingice]

I'm not buying that she is undecided. (blushes) "Hi, President." (angry) "Romney"

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Romney doing some matrix like dodging with the "How are you different than Bush?" question.

I thought it was one of his best answers.

SI

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I'm not buying that she is undecided. (blushes) "Hi, President." (angry) "Romney"

SI

I always wonder how they actually verified this. Do they get lie detector tests?

[DaddyTorgo]

Bin Laden card. Bing!

[Scoobz0202]

Just let them fight.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

I don't get this. If Biden is a hero for it, then why is Romney a dick for doing the same?

The important difference for the debate audience is that Biden was bullying Ryan but not the moderator. Romney is actually going after the moderator. Tho Obama is starting to do it.

SI

[I. J. Reilly]

This format is stressing me out. I need a drink.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Does Romney have a single hair that is still naturally dark?

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Originally Posted by I. J. Reilly

This format is stressing me out. I need a drink.

Good idea!

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

I always wonder how they actually verified this. Do they get lie detector tests?

I'm pretty sure the undecideds at this point fit into one of two categories. Liars and the following:

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SI

[sterlingice]

Speaking of uncommitted voters: "We were just sitting around talking about Libyan security".

Yeah, I know I sit around totally talking about that three weeks later if I'm not watching Fox News

SI

[SirFozzie]

Nice job on calling Mitt out on his constantly changing immigration position

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Nice buck stops here speech.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

The important difference for the debate audience is that Biden was bullying Ryan but not the moderator. Romney is actually going after the moderator. Tho Obama is starting to do it.

SI

I though Biden was horrible to both the moderator and Ryan.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Speaking of uncommitted voters: "We were just sitting around talking about Libyan security".

Yeah, I know I sit around totally talking about that three weeks later if I'm not watching Fox News

SI

Real "uncommitted" voter: "Do you watch the Voice or American Idol? Do you think Honey Boo Boo's parents are too mean to her?"

Voter then skips remembering to vote to wait in the drive thru line at Wendy's.

[kingfc22]

And Obama just smacked Romney across the face with that response to being called out as not protecting the US.

[sterlingice]

Oh snap

SI

[larrymcg421]

Instant fact check by the moderator! Awesome.

And Obama just destroyed Romney on foreign policy. Wow.

[larrymcg421]

"Am I wrong about that?" is never a good thing to say in a debate.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

And Obama just smacked Romney across the face with that response to being called out as not protecting the US.

That was shades of the American President: "This is a time for serious people, Bob, and your fifteen minutes are up. My name is Andrew Shepherd, and I *am* the President. "

SI

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I thought it was one of his best answers.

SI

I thought the Bush answer was a rambling mess. The question about what has Obama done in four years was a good answer for Romney.

[DaddyTorgo]

Where did that blind trust non-sequitor from Romney come from in the middle of the immigration answer? I can't even figure that out.

Must have been a "zinger" he was told to get in.

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

Trying to listen to both the debate & the game.

Did I just hear Romney say he started out in small business?

My fav part on the radio was "That is not true" "Yes it is" "No it's not"

Originally Posted by bronconick

Real "uncommitted" voter: "Do you watch the Voice or American Idol? Do you think Honey Boo Boo's parents are too mean to her?"

Voter then skips remembering to vote to wait in the drive thru line at Wendy's.

A nugget combo and a frosty is like $5. Voting doesn't taste that good.

[I. J. Reilly]

lol, did the moderator just call Romney a flip-flopper on guns?

[SirFozzie]

Who woulda thought that Romney was going to lose a round on Libya entering the debate?

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Where did that blind trust non-sequitor from Romney come from in the middle of the immigration answer? I can't even figure that out.

Must have been a "zinger" he was told to get in.

Which is funny because Obama turned it around with the "I don't know as my pension's not as big as yours" zinger

SI

[M GO BLUE!!!]

What is your opinion on AK-47's Gov?

I agree with the President and feel that kids should get married before they have babies. I also don't understand what the "Fast & Furious" operation was about.

Ummm... huh?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Which is funny because Obama turned it around with the "I don't know as my pension's not as big as yours" zinger

SI

Exactly - that was so priceless. That's twice that Obama got the "polite" & "undecided" crowd laughing at Romney.

[SirFozzie]

Now to be fair, I'm sure folks watching the debate who are supporting Romney are probably seeing red that the moderator is calling Mitt on his BS as much as Obama is. I can actually see both ways.. moderators are supposed to moderate the debate, not get involved in the arguments themselves.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

"Am I wrong about that?" is never a good thing to say in a debate.

Especially when the answer is yes.

[DaddyTorgo]

Instant fack-check...well played. Romney bumbled his way into that one. Haha.

[sterlingice]

Again, I would actually think Romney with a Democratic 55-45 Senate and majority in the House would actually be a pretty effective Presidency. I don't think he really has strong convictions and I think he'd just like to have his name attached to things getting done. I think he'd actually try to bend the Senate back to sortof getting things done with good old backroom pork deals.

But, good lord, put him with the current GOP House and a spinless Democratic Senate. Oof.

SI

[SirFozzie]

Well, DT, Mitt's not going to let fact checkers run his campaign *chuckles*

[SirFozzie]

apparently Obama is at 92% on intrade to win the debate.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Again, I would actually think Romney with a Democratic 55-45 Senate and majority in the House would actually be a pretty effective Presidency. I don't think he really has strong convictions and I think he'd just like to have his name attached to things getting done. I think he'd actually try to bend the Senate back to sortof getting things done with good old backroom pork deals.

But, good lord, put him with the current GOP House and a spinless Democratic Senate. Oof.

SI

Massachusetts Mitt doesn't scare me, but Ryan budget Mitt sure does.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Massachusetts Mitt doesn't scare me, but Ryan budget Mitt sure does.

This. Especially with "crazy religious right House members GOP."

[TRO]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Again, I would actually think Romney with a Democratic 55-45 Senate and majority in the House would actually be a pretty effective Presidency. I don't think he really has strong convictions and I think he'd just like to have his name attached to things getting done. I think he'd actually try to bend the Senate back to sortof getting things done with good old backroom pork deals.

But, good lord, put him with the current GOP House and a spinless Democratic Senate. Oof.

SI

I agree completely.

[larrymcg421]

"Government doesn't create jobs".
"My plan will create jobs."

[TRO]

"government does not create jobs" / vote Romney because he's a job creator.

Stop contradicting yourself so blatantly.

[larrymcg421]

Even if I believed Romney on economics (which I don't), I don't trust him with SCOTUS appointments, on foreign policy, or on social issues.

[larrymcg421]

47%! Finally!

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Again, I would actually think Romney with a Democratic 55-45 Senate and majority in the House would actually be a pretty effective Presidency. I don't think he really has strong convictions and I think he'd just like to have his name attached to things getting done. I think he'd actually try to bend the Senate back to sortof getting things done with good old backroom pork deals.

But, good lord, put him with the current GOP House and a spinless Democratic Senate. Oof.

SI

Hasn't a Republican Presidency and Democratic-controlled Congress been considered to be the most effective government in the last 40-50 years?