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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Concord, MA/UMass
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*I still wish the Sox signed him now. Quote:
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#3702 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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"Oh shit...my bad, I didn't realize I was taking Winstrol, I thought it was Vitamin B-12"
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#3703 |
n00b
Join Date: Jan 2009
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FINALLY Big Sh*tty got caught!
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#3704 |
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Here
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#3705 |
Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Bahston Mass
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The only thing about steroids and MLB testing that really concerns me is that you had some 100 or so players testing positive in 2003, then we're supposed to believe that testing was enacted and they've got a handful since then? That Manny was juicing in '03, juicing in '09, but clean in between? I'm not sure how clean the game is right now, to be honest. And that's not even considering the things that they aren't even able to test for because of legal or scientific constraints.
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#3706 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Back in Houston!
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It's time to play: WHEEL... of... STEROID... (Apology)
Let's help him make up a generic steroid excuse. So, which will Big Papi use? First he has to go one of two routes: 1) I didn't know it was a steroid 2) I only used it once (or for a short period) It sounds like he's already dug in deep for response #1 with his "I didn't know and I'm surprised" act so that takes off the "I only took it for an injury" excuse. That leaves us with quite a few options for his next part: 1) Must be a false positive 2) Don't know how it happened 3) A trainer told him it was vitamins 4) Another player/trainer/agent gave him the needle and he didn't ask questions 5) Got it from a cousin in the Dominican (we call this "The ARod") So, does he 1) Apologize for us that we misunderstood him/his actions 2) Say he will never, ever do it again and feels bad for all the fans he "wronged" 3) Will find the perpetrator and eventually bring the one-armed man to justice SI
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#3707 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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Well, I'm sure after the testing regime came down, players tried to find ways to get around it. Maybe they asked their buddies in the NFL how they've been able to do it all these years ![]()
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#3708 | |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NC
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Sadly yes, this is what it has come down to each and every time we get a positive result. Big Papi talked tough about steroids this spring training. What will he say now that the public knows he was lying?
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#3709 | |
College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Jan 2006
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The 8 homers comment is a little off since Aramis missed a large part of the season. |
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#3710 | |
Favored Bitch #2
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Here
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I find it interesting that the players KNEW they were going to be tested, and obviously 100+ dumbass players STILL had the cajones to take the stuff, knowing that they would test positive and possibly give the OK for MLB to perform random testing. What a joke MLB is. |
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#3711 |
College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Jan 2006
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As much as I hate the Red Sox, and Yankees I don't see how these revelations about who was caught juicing makes their titles tainted. If we saw the whole list I would guess that every team is represented. So their juicers were just better than everyone elses juicers. And Papi is no big surprise. He goes from 20 HRs to 54 in what, 4 seasons?
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#3712 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA
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#3713 | |
Favored Bitch #2
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Here
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I guess Bronson Arroyo is coming out now too...
Bronson Arroyo says he used andro, stopped due to rumors it was tainted with steroids - ESPN My favorite line from this story: Quote:
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#3714 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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Tigs got Washburn apparently. Not sure what for yet.
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#3715 |
Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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I just want all of this to go away already.
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#3716 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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Dola, looks like the Tigs didn't give up anything of consequence. Lucas French and another prospect. The other prospect hasn't been confirmed as to who it is but the names I'm hearing aren't much of a blow.
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#3717 | |
Favored Bitch #2
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Here
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I thought they needed more help in the bullpen and another bat. Why would they pick up another starter? |
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#3718 | |
Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Michigan
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We need everything. Our rotation right now is Verlander, Jackson, Porcello (Who is hitting the wall), Galarraga (Who you have no idea what he'll do any start) and a mix mash of guys at #5. I think Fien called up helps, and Bonderman will end up in the pen for some help. For what we gave up, you can't pass up on Washburn, who has a similar situation in Detroit; big park and good D, plus he is a lefty we need in the rotation. That said, we still have no offense and I suspect we won't win the Central without either Guillen (possibly) or Magglio (No chance) getting better, Polanco reverting back to form and another bat emerging. |
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#3719 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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#3720 | |
Favored Bitch #2
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Here
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I had heard rumors of a Freddy Sanchez to Detroit trade, but obviously that didn't happen. The Tigers need another bat, someone who can hit in the 4-7 spot, and take some of the pressure off Ordonez and Granderson. Not sure if anyone decent is available at this point though. Also kinda surprised Seattle traded Washburn, aren't they still in the hunt for a playoff spot? |
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#3721 | |
Favored Bitch #2
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Here
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#3722 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Back in Houston!
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#3723 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Massachusetts
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i kinda agree. as somebody else said "so one team of juicers beat another team of juicers." it's not that that saddens me as much as it's the destruction of the long-term records for things due to players playing longer at higher levels. now that we have a positive Papi-test I'm pissed that for instance he beat Foxx's Red Sox record for HR in a season. Not so much that he won 2 WS.
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#3724 | |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Cary, NC
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Bonds was not a very good hitter at the time, plus he's a TO-like cancer. Why would anyone want to sign him? And Boston had no chance with him since he thinks Boston is a racist city.
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#3725 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: NYC
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Off today so I have MLB Network on with their deadline coverage.
It's really not hurtful at all to see Jim Duquette on this fucking thing on this day of all days. |
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#3726 |
High School JV
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: San Francisco
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#3727 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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What? Bonds' last full season (2007), he hit .278/.480/.565 with an OPS+ of 170.
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#3728 | |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2003
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You're talking out of your ass - He had an OPS+ of 170 his last year, and the lead the league in OBP; again. He could still out-hit most of the Giants. |
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#3729 | ||
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Concord, MA/UMass
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I'm not saying he's telling the truth, but compared to "I'm not here to talk about the past" and the 6 different excuses A-Rod used in 2 days, it's a pretty well worded press release. And I think he's already selected option A - going with "took a protein shake in the dominican, didn't ask what was in it."
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It's a moot point, but Kevin Garnett thought Boston was a racist city and so did Randy Moss. The media played up that angle the one time Bonds came in interleague and he was backtracking before he left town. I'm sure if he still wanted to play and Boston was the only team offering a contract he'd overcome any lingering doubts. |
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#3730 | |
Grey Dog Software
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL
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Think Papi still feels this way?
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David Ortiz: Steroid users should get one-year suspension - ESPN |
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#3731 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Concord, MA/UMass
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#3732 |
Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Bahston Mass
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#3733 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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Uh... yes.
Steve Phillips didn't fucking trade Kazmir for Zambrano!
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#3734 | |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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He's clearly an idiot and a cheater, though everybody seems to be forgetting that there was no penalties or actual testing in 2003 (just the "anonymous" sample-testing). What he's saying there isn't really inconsistent with his actions. In retrospect, it's actually kind of telling. He's basically saying that if there were testing and penalties, then that would motivate him and other players not to use. That wasn't the case in 2003, though it is now. Last edited by molson : 07-31-2009 at 01:07 PM. |
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#3735 |
Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Bahston Mass
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The worst part about Ortiz testing positive is not that he cheated, but that he lied about it. I wish he'd just kept his damn mouth shut. The cheating I can accept, but the lying just makes him a different person than I thought he was.
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#3736 | |
General Manager
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Kansas City, MO
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So will he bitch at the Yankees the first time they blow out the Red Sox? Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 07-31-2009 at 01:16 PM. |
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#3737 | |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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It's kind of annoying to maybe have to root for that goof, but I can get over it if this makes Varitek a backup. I'm not as in love with Buchholz as most Red Sox fans, but even I'm not exciting about parting with him for Martinez. I don't think that makes them all that much better even this season. Last edited by molson : 07-31-2009 at 01:25 PM. |
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#3738 | |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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Did he ever say he never used? I can see someone using steroids while there's no policy for it, then when its banned, be in favor of significant penalties. That's totally consistent with what we hear about steroid use. They use it to be competitive. If they're not going to use it anymore because of a policy, they sure as hell don't want other people to use it either. I'm not naive enough, though, to think that he's not still using, along with everyone else. Just playing with the logic of what he said here. |
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#3739 |
Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2005
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I'm tired of hearing about the 2003 tests, I wish whoever it is would release the whole list and get it over with. It was six years ago and baseball hadn't banned those substances yet. I would like to see the sport do better combating steroid usage going forward but move on from the past.
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#3740 |
Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Bahston Mass
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He pretty clearly said he didn't use on several occasions.
Hearing that Buchholz is going to CLE. Pretty disappointed if that's true. The only way it makes sense is if the FO thinks his makeup issues will persist and that he's at the top of his trade value now. Still, I think his value is higher than VMart.
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#3741 | |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NC
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No word yet on what the Indians would receive in return although Joel Sherman says he thinks it will be Buchholz.
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#3742 | |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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And thinking about it more and reading the sentiments at SOSH, there's no way that Varitek is just going to be benched or released. So Martinez is basically going to be a platoon player unless Lowell gets hurt again. |
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#3743 |
Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Bahston Mass
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Now seeing everywhere that its not Buchholz. The first Twitter Trading Deadline is rife with potholes.
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#3744 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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If its not Buchholz, it makes me wonder if the deal is done, because that's been what Cleveland has been asking for, IIRC.
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#3745 |
Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Bahston Mass
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Now seeing its Hagadone. Guy had TJ surgery but has looked good in 25 IP since his return.
He does not qualify as anywhere near ML ready, though. Edit: Masterson + Hagadone? Masterson would be the ML guy.
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#3746 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
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I just heard that Bucholz has been attacked by the Basij!
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: New Hampshire
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Bowden and Hagadone? Hopefully not Masterson/Bowden/Hagadone. |
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#3748 |
Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Bahston Mass
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Can't see it being three like that. (Masterson or Bowden) + Hagadone is a pretty fair deal, though one I can be happy with.
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#3749 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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Rumor appears to be Masterson and Hagadone... and then the Sox to turn around and deal LaRoche (cause they would have no need for him with V-Mart) to the Mets.
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#3750 |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA
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LaRoche gets the shaft! Hah!
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