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#3701 |
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Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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And just for those keeping score, the 9 arrests in Georgia don't count the myriad of "not credible" threats being made to schools around the state.
My old hometown system has dealt with two of those in the last 24 hours. Kids trying to get a cancelled school day off most likely.
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#3702 | |
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Join Date: Nov 2000
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Quoting myself seems easiest way to tie a couple things together. "Apparent ability" is why Clarke is able to arrest the 12 y/o who used pictures from the internet to "appear" to have access to multiple guns. Again, the arrest is a good ways from a conviction though, since absent the weapons intent becomes tougher to prove.
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#3703 |
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I feel like sending threats about mass shootings should be illegal if it's not. Even if you don't have the means, that still causes havoc at schools and with resources.
Feels like a few weeks in juvie would scare off the kids who are doing this to get out of a test but who knows. I just hate that people can fuck with other people, businesses, schools, etc and suffer no consequences. |
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#3704 | |
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Just adding on to the hell week it has to be for every LEO office in the state right now
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Let's note "detained" and "handed over", not "arrested" or "charged". DJJ will likely do an evaluation & investigation of their own. And yes, if it wasn't obvious, MBES is an elementary school (K-5), No. 8 public elementary school in Georgia as rated by Niche, 2-time Blue Ribbon Lighthouse School of Excellence, yadda yadda.
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#3705 | |
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Well, it is "illegal", but at a fairly low level of illegality.
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#3706 |
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Covington, Ga.
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Yeah, Oconee is now the area everyone wants to be in. Lots of money around that lake.
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#3707 | |
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Not that Oconee, this is Oconee County ... about 4 mins to the county line from my current position. You're thinking Lake Oconee, about an hour's drive from here to the east (Greensboro, GA basically) Unless of course you were being facetious and that flew right over my head.
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
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Even a misdemeanor charge is worth it to get the kid in the system and maybe scare them. If they're going through the trouble of charging kids for shoplifting a few candy bars, they should do it for something that causes a ton of trouble for everyone. Our local library was getting regular bomb threats last year and it was such a massive pain. Each time they'd have to empty the building, run a bomb dog or something through, then let everyone back in. |
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Location: Covington, Ga.
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Highly unlikely it's anything more than a court appearance & some paperwork. Nobody is spending any meaningful time in detention (due to perpetual space issues) for a misdemeanor Quote:
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If you go deep into the statutes here, something that causes an evacuation (typically a bomb threat) DOES have the potential to be a more elevated and/or additional crime. Remember that "interfering with operations of a public school" I mentioned earlier, that would qualify. Except that threats involving schools hardly ever end up with an evacuation, only occasionally do they reach that threshold of interfering best I can tell. Typically those incidents are reported outside of school hours and typically deemed not credible in plenty of time for the buses to pick up on schedule the next day.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Greensboro, NC
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chicagoland
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The right for states to maintain "well-regulated" militias, for defense against autocrats, likely to include arms for those militias maintained in armories? That right? |
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#3713 |
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
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No no no, the new right they made in 2008.
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#3714 |
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chicagoland
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But surely if the right wasn't codified in the 19th century it can't matter to the august members of this Supreme Court, right?
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#3715 | |
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All of mine have been lost in a tragic series of boating accidents, same as many of my friend's.
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#3716 | |
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Join Date: Nov 2000
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Most of the Oconee County money showed up a couple decades ago, the result of white flight from neighboring Clarke, plain & simple. For quite a few years, it was the only county in Georgia that had a poverty rate (sub 1% around the time we moved up here) so low that they couldn't qualify to participate in the federal school lunch programs. OC (as we call it at times) has actually been shi-shi for so long now that it's starting to become a place people are leaving for greener pastures, it's already peaked.
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#3717 |
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Join Date: Jul 2001
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It is often not something intended to get a school day off.
All schools have kids who have significant emotional and or behavioral issues. Sometimes a rumor is started, something misheard, a comment out of anger, something said for attention, etc... Ive been part of at least one if not multiple threat assessment teams at any given time and there are situations needing assessment regularly at the high school and middle school level (and even somewhat often at elementary level though these are usually kids saying things they dont really understand) Last edited by Danny : 09-06-2024 at 06:03 PM. |
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#3718 | |
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Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Bloomington, IN
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I mean, I could* if I could get them** to agree to stand in one place for long enough. * That's probably optimistic for my old man shoulder tendonitis. Not to mention, that'd be a lot of stairs to traverse at least 460 times. ** I assume we're not talking about coyotes anymore. I don't know how I'd get 500 coyotes to agree to stay in one place. Free TNT, maybe? But then it's a self-solving problem, coyotes being coyotes and all. |
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#3719 |
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Join Date: Jul 2001
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Just want to add, just about every single non transient (and many not credible) threat I helped assess involved an emotionally troubled individual with access to firearms in the home. And literally nothing we could do to change that unless an actual crime was committed by the family member with said guns. Pretty much every kid in our emotional and behavioral programs had firearms in their home.
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CNN with a little more speculation on the charges against the father.
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I did not know it was illegal giving a "firearm" to minor violates state law. I know a minor having a "handgun" is illegal in GA but don't think it applies to "rifles" also. |
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#3721 |
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Covington, Ga.
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I think the statement is wrong. I have yet to see the law that makes it illegal. They can't purchase a gun, and I would probably say that preclude actual ownership. So if they are saying he couldn't legally own the gun, then ok. But in essence he could have possession of the gun at any time, and the law does not require the gun be secure from minors.
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From NRA website specific to GA, minors and handguns (not rifles) Georgia State Gun Laws and Regulations Explained | NRA-ILA Quote:
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#3723 |
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Location: Covington, Ga.
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So according to the police report on earlier investigation, the police did call the father and say that they could not prove the son made the earlier threat because they couldn't verify the initial report. They had during the initial investigation warned the dad to keep Colt away from firearms, but having told him they couldn't prove the allegations you do have to wonder if that was enough of a warning. According to reports, there was hand-written items found in Colt's bedroom that showed some school shooting ideology, and there are online posts with fascination of the Sandy Hook shooter and anger over the acceptance of trans people. Again, how much did the dad know? If they can find one witness where the dad admits he knew his son had made those initial threats, then he is in serious trouble. But without that, IDK if they have enough.
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#3724 | |
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Kind of echoes my words to Will right after the arrest was announced, they better have (ZERO pun intended) a smoking gun or they won't get a conviction.
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#3725 |
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Agreed, but I will say just what we have seen of the family I give it a pretty high chance the dad has said something stupid to someone.
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Apparently there is an active shooter on or near I-75 in Laurel County KY (southern KY between Lexington and Knoxville). Unknown number of people shot (what I see says "numerous"), and I'm not sure if they were in cars or the shooter ended up on the highway?
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#3727 |
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Jesus. Seeing reports of 9 dead, possible sniper on an overpass situation maybe?
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#3728 |
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Location: Covington, Ga.
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CNN finally reporting. Seen from 6-9 shot on social media. Possible sniper, but there has also been a report of "road rage" indecent.
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#3729 |
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From the reporting I'm seeing it's someone in the woods just off the interstate.
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Suspect is 32 year old Joseph Couch, former military. Bought an AR15 and 2000 rounds this morning.
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Not sure if this is true/accurate from the police scanner, but...
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#3733 |
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4 injured from shooting, 3 injured from auto accidents due to the shooting.
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#3734 |
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The mother of Colt Gray called the school that morning and warned them that Colt had been saying he was going to shoot up the school. This came after weeks of her trying to get him in therapy for being violent and suicidal. I think I can see where they have a pretty solid case versus the father now. The school also looks pretty culpable.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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There’s a lot that’s confusing to me in that Post article. First off, where did mom/grandma/sister live? Were they moving around following dad and Colt, or were they in Fitzgerald as other reports indicate? And this sentence…
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Edit: Or even that the sister who is being quoted got it confused. Last edited by GrantDawg : 09-08-2024 at 08:31 AM. |
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#3738 |
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#3739 |
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Yeah, my strong suspicion is that the family is claiming that mom told the school Counselor that, and I agree that either one of those could be the case. I should admit that my skepticism radar is extremely high in general on this piece, given that much of the info is coming from the same aunt that made the insane now-deleted FB posts…
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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![]() Going back to the WaPo piece, the reason I questioned the locations is that they reported that grandma had "gone to see" a school counselor a week-ish before the shooting. So did she drive up from Fitzgerald too? And again, if they understood it to be so critical that it was worth the drive for an in-person meeting, were they choosing not to communicate with dad, was dad ignoring them, or...what? Lastly, all he texted her was "I'm sorry, mom" and THAT caused her to call the school and then drive all the way there??? ![]() ![]() ![]() I'm thinking we should take everything sourced from the Polhamus clan with a gigantic grain of salt. This stuff ain't adding up.
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#3742 | |
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None of this necessarily proves anything about what the dad knew. It is all going to be guessing until we have more of what the prosecution has. |
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I want to know if the rifle was locked up or kid had easy access. If easy access (e.g. left lying around, didn't hide the keys etc.), that is a big strike against the dad. Wouldn't that question be asked by reporters by now? But IMO, nothing right now indicates the level of negligence like the Crumbley case. Last edited by Edward64 : 09-08-2024 at 04:01 PM. |
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Alleged Georgia shooter Colt Gray's mom says son 'not a monster' in open letter apologizing to victims
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#3745 |
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They believe they found the body of the Kentucky shooter. Looks like he shot himself, not long after the attack.
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