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06-01-2020, 09:30 PM | #3608 | |
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06-01-2020, 09:54 PM | #3609 |
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Might be a bad incident in Buffalo. Guessing this just happened but we are at a point where it is tough to tell if these are even happening in this country.
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06-01-2020, 10:18 PM | #3610 | |
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Have something new and dumb to gnaw on.
So, by now, most people have seen the video where the couple gets paint shot at them on their own porch in Minneapolis, right? Refresher: https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225 Please make this go viral. I am begging you. Police and National Guard patrolling neighborhood and shooting civilians on their own property. Make America see this, I beg you. [Minneapolis] : PublicFreakout So one of the things that the internet noticed was that they went back and amended the FAQ after the fact. It originally said you could be on the own property but then it added a bunch of disclaimers (below). Minnesota DPS stealthily amends FAQ to state you must go inside if instructed after video of MPD shooting at citizens goes viral : Minneapolis Quote:
I was showing this to my wife earlier tonight and check out this archive.org link now. It shows the same thing as "current" (i.e. it no longer says "Yes" but the longer "hey, yeah, you can get shot on your porch" that seems like it belongs in r/oddlyspecific). That's because the link in the Reddit story is gone. The Reddit thread link: https://web.archive.org/...//dps.mn.gov/macc/Pages/faq.aspx (Timestamp: 2020-05-31 @ 16:57.25) However, if you go to that link, it takes you to the oldest version on the site now, which is much newer: https://web.archive.org/...//dps.mn.gov/macc/Pages/faq.aspx (Timestamp: 2020-05-31 @ 19:04.34) So it looks someone even went out of their way to scrub archive.org of the old version. Unless everyone in that thread linked above and this one here (some of the top conversations on this page were about the change) was making stuff up: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...ng_you_police/ The only thing I can find now of the old are this site: Attention Required! (I have no idea what archive.today even is) And this screenshot from Twitter: https://twitter.com/darkswordsmantv/...285184/photo/1 SI
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06-01-2020, 10:24 PM | #3611 | |
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06-01-2020, 10:28 PM | #3612 |
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Ok, it's time to end my night on a good note (I almost said "end the night" but then I realized - yeah, this isn't going to be the end of tonight by any stretch).
This is a good thread with potential solutions: https://twitter.com/samswey/status/1180655701271732224
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06-01-2020, 10:33 PM | #3613 |
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Jeez, Trump can you enrage a population?
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06-01-2020, 10:52 PM | #3614 |
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Can someone explain to me why NY set an 11 PM curfew when places like DC and Philly had 6-7 PM ones? You are just rolling out the red carpet to looters by having that late a curfew.
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06-01-2020, 11:10 PM | #3615 |
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This is assault.
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06-01-2020, 11:34 PM | #3616 | |
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I don't think the NYPD cares much about the looting. They seem to be having a weird protest of their own. |
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06-02-2020, 12:33 AM | #3617 |
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So as this gets further from totally legitimate protest and more towards bands of looters just roaming the streets, what next? Do we just hope this burns itself out after a few nights more and business owners are SOL until then?
I can sympathize with (and even support) legit protests turning violent after heavy handed police work, but I’ve seen so many videos tonight and read about so many smash and grabs here in LA... people are just using the situation for their own ends at this point. Maybe not a popular view, but what I’m seeing and hearing. |
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Agree. Too much rioting and looting that dilutes the message. Instead for many, right or wrong, it'll be BLM protests = rioting & looting. |
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06-02-2020, 12:42 AM | #3619 |
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Here's another (arguably) police brutality. Starts at about 18 seconds in.
https://twitter.com/kwamerose/status...76478424219650 It's good to see boys in blue having each other back. Last edited by Edward64 : 06-02-2020 at 06:54 AM. |
06-02-2020, 12:54 AM | #3620 |
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Good cops (the est. 95%+) doing their job as best they can under extreme circumstances.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1267629903496859655 This is fun. Have to go to bed. I'll be sure to post more good cops doing the right thing ... Bad boys, bad boys Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do When they come for you Last edited by Edward64 : 06-02-2020 at 07:04 AM. |
06-02-2020, 12:57 AM | #3621 | |
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06-02-2020, 12:57 AM | #3622 | |
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06-02-2020, 12:58 AM | #3623 | |
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Okay, then yes for sure assault and heavy handed. |
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06-02-2020, 12:58 AM | #3624 | |
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I guess a lack of denunciation from the leader of the socialist democrats means tacit approval of the rioting and looting? I guess Bernie supporters believe this also. But nah, I shouldn't exaggerate and characterize all Bernie supporters as bad just because there's just a small percent that are.
Sanders says 'ultra-rich' have been ‘looting’ for 40 years, amid looting of businesses and banks | Just The News Quote:
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06-02-2020, 01:18 AM | #3627 |
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The "good cop" in Baltimore was relieved of his duties for the coldclock. Apparently the woman was mentally ill and not part of any of the protests.
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06-02-2020, 01:54 AM | #3628 |
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Things tense in Seattle. Also learned Washington is an open carry state as some protestors had AR15s with them which is unsettling.
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They are counter protestors, which in a perverted way makes sense.
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I did read the woman was mentally ill. Still good to see a black cop supporting a white cop. If twitter comments are a judge, you are in the vast minority. Quote:
Having two LEO's in-laws I feel the need to "fair-and-balance" out your cop-hating spamming. Go ahead and post the good videos in addition to the bad. |
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06-02-2020, 07:09 AM | #3631 |
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Interesting article written in 2012:
Will the US Really Experience a Violent Upheaval in 2020? | Live Science |
06-02-2020, 07:24 AM | #3632 |
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Cops trying to stop looters. Unfortunately too many doughnuts but good try.
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If only there were some organizeation that rescued the people of countries from their leaders who attack their own people
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06-02-2020, 07:36 AM | #3634 |
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Cop-hating spamming? He's showing tweets of police brutality! If spreading light on police brutality (which has been overwhelming the last few days - almost showing why there protests are needed) is cop-hating, you are going to push me into the burn it all down crowd.
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06-02-2020, 07:41 AM | #3635 | |
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06-02-2020, 07:48 AM | #3636 |
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What is happening in the USA... From all the videos we're seeing in the news and on social media, the government/police appears to be treating protesters far worse than our government/police has ever done here in the third world.
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Not an unpopular opinion at all IMO. Here is a thought. Let the protest happen without the heavy handed police tactics. Use the expertise in police work to deal with those people who are using the situation for their own ends. Especially when the legit protestors are telling you as LE who those people are. Is it difficult? Absolutely. Is it impossible? Maybe if I am being honest. Or we can do this.
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06-02-2020, 07:56 AM | #3639 | |
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It's pretty obvious you already lean to the the burn-it-all-down crowd. No big loss you twxt ... or no, let's just say you are "insane". (Good to be the first to insult for a change). Last edited by Edward64 : 06-02-2020 at 07:57 AM. |
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95%! That's the funniest thing I've seen on here since the Antmeister song parodies.
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I feel like with so many things, we're just cross-talking so I'll ask your patience while I think I restate some things that I've probably already said before but to try and put them into context. You notice those of us who are disappointed and shocked at what we see from the police aren't showing videos of them going after rioters, right? Yes, the job turns a lot tougher at night. No one here is saying "don't arrest looters who are breaking into stores and stealing stuff". Are there going to be brutality problems there? Probably, just by the sheer number of arrests. But, you say "arrest the rioters" and we agree "yes, arrest the rioters". I think the difference is that you see any protester during the day as a potential rioter at night. I'm starting to feel that way about our police force. I've always subscribed to the "a few bad apples" theory. But this weekend has strained that to the point where I now think it's a systemic problem. (And, yes, I know there are a lot of people who would say "it's about time - what took you so long" - but I'm slow and naive and really want to believe the best in people). Go look at my more than ample posting history on this board. There's nothing like this at all. But what I've seen this weekend has shaken my belief in the institution of policing to the core. For every fired police chief in Louisville (who was about to retire), there's a police chief in LA saying Floyd's death is on the hands of the rioters "as much as it is those officers" or the VP of the Houston police union saying it was the protesters fault for not getting out of the way of a horse. WHAT? For every video of police officer laying down arms and joining the protesters, there's a litany of videos of a captain in New York losing his shit on peaceful protesters and ramming them with a barricade or indiscriminately spraying pepper spray out of their car at protesters just milling around or putting a baton into a man's hand (linked just because I hadn't linked to the incident in another place yet like the others) just so they could beat it out of him. But I've seen way too many times where the police took an otherwise peaceful protest and escalated it, seemingly intentionally. And that's to say nothing of the unconscionable assaults on clearly identified media, medics, people on their own property, children. I really really want to go back to believing that it's just a few bad apples. Because then I can happily believe that all is right in the world: people will protest peacefully by day, the few that won't get arrested with good cause, police will stop the riots at night, and things will start to get better as we can try and fix the problems that started this in the first place. So, yes, me, as a white male of decent means in a good neighborhood - I'm more afraid of the police right now than I am of the protests and riots. Part of that is that the riots are never getting out to my sleepy little Houston suburb. But the other part of that is that the police can and will. SI EDIT: And here's the thing - all of this also is just sad to me because this isn't about me. This shouldn't be about me. This is about a community that has had this on them for so long that is long past overdue for it to be fixed. But here we are with me worried for my own safety instead of trying to help fix the problem with a group that has had this shit been going on for literal centuries.
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Listen Edward is here for the police state. Who cares if they militarize and decide to use police brutality against even peaceful protesters in systemic ways across the country. It's just a few 'bad apples', I guess. Property damage is so much worse than killing black people that even peaceful protests have to be subdued by police violence. They are only doing it against the darkies so he's cool with it.
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I don't think it's 95%, but I think Edward64's main point about most cops doing their best is true. It's also obviously true that it just isn't enough. The things posted in this thread do paint a skewed picture. There's shouldn't be a fraction this many blatantly obvious examples nationwide even if this is all of them though. Things like this should be zero-tolerance and exceptionally rare. The fact that they are clearly not demands action.
I view this like a situation that happened some years ago with the charity Feed the Children. Somebody poisoned some supplies they were sending out, and a thorough investigation couldn't pinpoint the offender(s). Their response was to fire everyone it could have been, knowing most were innocent, because it was of paramount importance to ensure whoever it was no longer worked there and couldn't do it again. Firing every police officer, supervisors etc. responsible for gross and blatant (sometimes criminal) abuses of their power & authority might lead to critical shortages of needed public servants in some jurisdictions. It will probably savage the morale of many who will feel the police as a whole are being maligned, esp. those who are just trying to do their job well. It needs to happen anyway. Unlike some others in this thread I'm not particularly concerned about the prosecution side, because prosecutors are generally more willing to prosecute than juries are to convict (that's the end that needs to change). But police departments can decide not to employ those who can't or won't restrain themselves. It is always better to let some crimes go unanswered than to punish the innocent. Last edited by Brian Swartz : 06-02-2020 at 08:18 AM. |
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Even if it is 1%, 99% are not doing anything to stop them. That is the problem. We see 3 officers sit and watch their fellow officer murder someone and then drive away like nothing happened.
Below is a video of a cop spitting on someone who has been arrested. This is a crime and blatant abuse of power. None of the fellow cops arrest him. None remove him from the scene. Are they the 1% or 99%? As to why post police brutality videos? Because this is the police brutality thread. This is a seminal point in time where we are seeing millions protest it and be met with state sponsored violence. The government gassed and beat people in a park to set up a photo shoot for the President yesterday. The Australian government is making a stink that we beat the shit out of their reporters on live TV for no reason. I'm sure there is a plethora of content for a "cops rule!" thread if that is important. Not sure what it has to do here and this topic.
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Thank you for this post. I'm sure you sense escalating posts here from both sides with perceived/actual slights and differences in opinion due to background, experiences etc. I can honestly tell you I do not think your above sentence. In another post I shared that my daughter wanted to do a daytime BLM march and we supported a modified request. I also said that BLM, fair-or-not, has a messaging problem and its "good" stuff is being overwhelmed by the "bad" stuff. Quote:
Honestly I am still with "a few bad apples". But let's define "few". I'm tossing out 95% good and 5% bad. There is no doubt there are abuses for sure. What I can say about the cop-hating spamming recently are (1) many of the posts are questionable, it doesn't provide context (2) some of the posts are no-question bad cop. The spamming exaggerates the "bad" police because there is no attempt to counterweight the good they do. I guess it does come down to how many you believe are bad apples. For me, the 5% does not outweigh the other 95% regardless of how its portrayed in the cop-hating spamming. Quote:
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Yup, no problem in agreeing here. Does the 5% outweigh the 95%. Should there be consideration/forgiveness to some inappropriate, borderline police actions with all things considered? Quote:
I live in suburbia and I am completely opposite from you. I have no fear of police. There are bad ones out there for sure. Can you help me understand why a while male in decent neighborhood is more afraid of the police and protests & riots? What do you think could happen to you and family? Another question for context. What do you believe is the swag % of bad cops? Again, thanks for the post. I would love to have a rational, discussion of problems, possible solutions etc. without spamming or insults. I admit because I have LEO in-laws and take it a little personally, I have contributed to the problem here. Last edited by Edward64 : 06-02-2020 at 08:53 AM. |
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Right and it's never about race to you, unless someone actually uses a slur, because your white privilege is so high you can't see over it. Or let's just call a spade a spade, you are just a fucking racist.
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