LXXVII Spawn III: Game Over (See Post 4507) - Page 73

The Jackal · 07-14-2008, 01:03 PM

That makes the most sense, good.

PurdueBrad · 07-14-2008, 01:06 PM

For me, right now, I trust:

*Alan T and KWhit (even though I have tried to question them several times, I can't find reason not to)

*Jackal (I'll assume that I will be notified of any change in my partner until I see otherwise)

*Hoops (despite last night's discussion, I still feel that Hoops has done a good job ferretting out spawns although it would be a hell of a move to give up the roleless spawn and protect the powerful ones)

*After that, I'm up in the air. I will admit that I've been a bit blind in my trust of the engineers and I guess I have to stop that. There was no reason other than the fact that we started as a group/team. So we will have to be looked at.

As for distrust, I was surprised at Mrs. Schmidty coming back human. Olie and Saldana are my least trusted and I'm curious to see if we can do anything else at this point to re-clear Pass since he's stepped into a vital role.

The Jackal · 07-14-2008, 01:07 PM

Is it probably the case that either olie is a spawn or both pass and mrs. s are?

PurdueBrad · 07-14-2008, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I don't think that is the case, Jackal.

If you had a trust with someone, you would have been informed if they were turned.

You can see why, after Telle (and Olie, I'm pretty damn sure) that someone might be questioning a person not knowing the rules around their role(s)?

Hoops, I had read the rules as well, what do you make of BK only telling me maybe via PM about being informed?

saldana · 07-14-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I'm caught up and will put in an order to work on the slave pens although given that Saldana is the percentage play here AND he guarded the pens last night and they still took damage, that is likely the way I'm going to go with my vote.

Although I am looking into one more possibility that goes back to some of last night's discussion where I may have been too quick to trust someone absolutely.

go back and read Claps explanation...the damage was done by the slaves from inside the pens

Tyrith · 07-14-2008, 01:08 PM

Hasta luego! Arriverderci! Bon voyage! That means goodbye!

VOTE OLIEGIRL

The Jackal · 07-14-2008, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Hoops, I had read the rules as well, what do you make of BK only telling me maybe via PM about being informed?

That is curious.

Tyrith · 07-14-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

go back and read Claps explanation...the damage was done by the slaves from inside the pens

My PM said the same thing, BTW.

Going to submit an order to fix the pens right now -- that should get it fixed with 5 cycles, meaning we're still okay even through a fake.

Alan T · 07-14-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Because of this, I absolutely trust Jackal as Friday was the day that I received a PM that, for the first time, mentioned Absolute Trust and it was in all bold. I had figured it out before then but not by a lot and this was the day it was explicitly stated. I know that won't count as a clear, but it's good enough for me.

I don't have a feel one way or another on this, but just be careful as I already stated what day I received that message.. and as far as I could tell you, kwhit and I all had dropped hints (pretty open hints at that) prior to today. I didn't see any from the Jackal even when we had the conversations discussing it..

He very well may be telling the truth, just cautioning against him getting your trust only because of saying Friday after we already had announced which day we got that message.

PurdueBrad · 07-14-2008, 01:11 PM

unvote Saldana on both his and Tyrith's follow up to how the damage was done. I'm going to go along with the flow then:

vote oliegirl

Passacaglia · 07-14-2008, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Continuing on clears:
- both Pass and Schmidty have demonstrated the duplicant role, which means that they are villagers. I initially had this mistaken with empathic
- Chubby appears to have started the game as empathic, which means that there is a 50/50 shot he could have been converted

Thanks. If you kept pushing that line of thought, I was going to go after you. But hey, mistakes happen -- I know I made some this game, and based on my scan, it looks like Mrs. Schmidty did, too (i.e. she scanned clean).

The Jackal · 07-14-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I don't have a feel one way or another on this, but just be careful as I already stated what day I received that message.. and as far as I could tell you, kwhit and I all had dropped hints (pretty open hints at that) prior to today. I didn't see any from the Jackal even when we had the conversations discussing it..

He very well may be telling the truth, just cautioning against him getting your trust only because of saying Friday after we already had announced which day we got that message.

I missed the conversations, I must've skimmed them/hadn't realized I was in AT at that point. At first I thought it was just BK having fun with PMs but then he clarified for me.

I think it's right for us to still keep an eye on each other, PB, especially with regard to any further PMs we might receive, but for now I'm glad to have another person off my immediate suspicion list.

PurdueBrad · 07-14-2008, 01:14 PM

What is our nighttime engineer priority?

We have 3 hours left on security, 3 left on the cargo hold.

In all honesty, if we trusted all our engineers, we could split the labor and knock it out. It may also lead us to someone who faked but it's a risk.

Otherwise, I would suggest Tyrith and two of us on the security HQ and the other two on the cargo hold.

I would love to see us get both repaired but I'm not sure I trust us enough.

Tyrith · 07-14-2008, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

What is our nighttime engineer priority?

We have 3 hours left on security, 3 left on the cargo hold.

In all honesty, if we trusted all our engineers, we could split the labor and knock it out. It may also lead us to someone who faked but it's a risk.

Otherwise, I would suggest Tyrith and two of us on the security HQ and the other two on the cargo hold.

I would love to see us get both repaired but I'm not sure I trust us enough.

I can roll with this plan. Not sure who the other two with me should be, but that's more up to the whole Danny situation than anything I can do.

PurdueBrad · 07-14-2008, 01:20 PM

Tyrith, let's leave it up to people that have been cleared to some degree:

HOOPS AND ALAN: Since Danny is spawn aware, which of the engineers would you like him to work with? We are doing a 3-2 engineer split. Your choices are Tyrith, PurdueBrad, Claphamsa, and JEHeinz72.

We'll roll with what you guys call.

hoopsguy · 07-14-2008, 01:22 PM

I'm very skeptical of trusting the engineers as a group. There are five left, none of whom have been cleared with a scan. The trainer was killed, eliminating our ability to fill those spots and we now know it wasn't because the Doctors were bad (both cleared in death).

I'm disregarding Absolute Trust and Spawn Aware from Engineers with that statement as I consider them less clear-cut than other vouches.

hoopsguy · 07-14-2008, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Tyrith, let's leave it up to people that have been cleared to some degree:

HOOPS AND ALAN: Since Danny is spawn aware, which of the engineers would you like him to work with? We are doing a 3-2 engineer split. Your choices are Tyrith, PurdueBrad, Claphamsa, and JEHeinz72.

We'll roll with what you guys call.

Do you have a list of who has worked with who up to this point? That would be helpful ... I'll pull it up, if needed, but it will take time.

Alan T · 07-14-2008, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Tyrith, let's leave it up to people that have been cleared to some degree:

HOOPS AND ALAN: Since Danny is spawn aware, which of the engineers would you like him to work with? We are doing a 3-2 engineer split. Your choices are Tyrith, PurdueBrad, Claphamsa, and JEHeinz72.

We'll roll with what you guys call.

Claphamsa and Jeheinz seem to be the least trusted of the engineers I would assume. Are you going to be around though after deadline to figure out alot of this? (This is for night work correct?) Just would be able to give a better answer after we see how the deadline goes down I think.

PurdueBrad · 07-14-2008, 01:23 PM

So Hoops, how would you pair us around Danny for tonight's work?

PurdueBrad · 07-14-2008, 01:24 PM

Yeah, it's night work and I'll be around tonight after softball.

Hoops, I'll have to go back and pull up who has worked with who.

saldana · 07-14-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I don't have a feel one way or another on this, but just be careful as I already stated what day I received that message.. and as far as I could tell you, kwhit and I all had dropped hints (pretty open hints at that) prior to today. I didn't see any from the Jackal even when we had the conversations discussing it..

He very well may be telling the truth, just cautioning against him getting your trust only because of saying Friday after we already had announced which day we got that message.

i'm not feeling very good about purduebrad at all...no one else said anything about being in an AT with unknown people all game, and then he doesnt actually know the way the role works....if anyone else in the game is like i am, as soon as you and kwhit started talking about it, i went back and reread the rules about it in order to make sure i would notice if you guys faltered in your explanations of it (which he has just done)

dont know if i feel as bad about PB as i do about oliegirl, though, so assuming she goes tonight, he will be my choice tomorrow.

vote oliegirl

hoopsguy · 07-14-2008, 01:26 PM

My recollection is that Danny has gone a long ways towards clearing each of you, as you have all worked in tandem. This is a big part of why I am suspicious of him - he either was bluffing from the start or was turned and is now giving clearance to someone who started as a spawn.

Again, I'm not basing this on any role knowledge. I'm basing this on the selections that we have seen for the spawn actions so far - killing mccollins, taking out the doctors - and the lack of results from the supposedly spawn aware person. This is why I put his name up for scan today ... I thought there was a pretty good chance he was bad, but if he was shown to be good then we had some soft clears on several people.

PurdueBrad · 07-14-2008, 01:27 PM

Here is who Danny has worked with:

Day 2- JEHeinz and Danny
Day 3- JEHeinz, Tyrith, PurdueBrad and Danny
Day 4- JEHeinz, Tyrith, PurdueBrad and Danny
Day 5- JEHeinz and Danny

HE HAS TO WORK WITH CLAPH

PurdueBrad · 07-14-2008, 01:27 PM

Hoops, I agree. Danny needs to be cleared but he has got to work with Claphamsa. I could've sworn we had it set up that they would work together and I don't know what happened.

The Jackal · 07-14-2008, 01:28 PM

saldana - I can corroborate what PB is saying, unless one of the other engineers is AT with me, but I don't think that seems to be the case.

Alan T · 07-14-2008, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Here is who Danny has worked with:

Day 2- JEHeinz and Danny
Day 3- JEHeinz, Tyrith, PurdueBrad and Danny
Day 4- JEHeinz, Tyrith, PurdueBrad and Danny
Day 5- JEHeinz and Danny

HE HAS TO WORK WITH CLAPH

Seems then if Danny is good, Jeheinz seems to be also... So put him with claphamsa most likely. But if I understand that role correctly, he'll have to wortk with him multiple times to get a true read on it.

Tyrith · 07-14-2008, 01:29 PM

So, stupid question, but Pass is duplicant, therefore we have no more doctor scans for the rest of the game, correct?

PurdueBrad · 07-14-2008, 01:29 PM

BARKEEP49- Does the number of people that the spawn aware person works with effect his chances of scanning a spawn? In other words, if spawn-aware person works with player B only, does he have the same chance for success then if he works with players B, C, and D?

claphamsa · 07-14-2008, 01:29 PM

yeah, it increases probability with times workgin

hoopsguy · 07-14-2008, 01:29 PM

PB, I agree on this point. If we are going to try and trust him then it has to be Clap.

We aren't scanning him today and we aren't voting him today (barring any revelations). So it would be good to see where this goes tomorrow.

claphamsa · 07-14-2008, 01:29 PM

also, im at the slave pens now! send him on down, since I know im good !

Barkeep49 · 07-14-2008, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Barkeep, is it possible for a villager to have two (or more) "survivor secret roles"?

No.

Alan T · 07-14-2008, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrith

So, stupid question, but Pass is duplicant, therefore we have no more doctor scans for the rest of the game, correct?

He didn't duplicate a doctor, he duplicated the trainer to train himself to become a doctor, so he is a full fledged doctor now, which is pretty ingenius if he is still good.

PurdueBrad · 07-14-2008, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

also, im at the slave pens now! send him on down, since I know im good !

I don't believe he scans during the day, only overnight, but I might be wrong. Danny, can you verify one way or another?

hoopsguy · 07-14-2008, 01:32 PM

OK, then I'm going to move for voting Chubby.

He claimed to be both Incorruptible and Empathic. And I think there is a better chance he has a significant role than Oliegirl. I recognize this is taking a chance with Olie having the bigger role, but I think it is a pretty calculated risk.

I'll go find posts that show where Chubby claimed Incorruptible and then change my vote.

PurdueBrad · 07-14-2008, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

He didn't duplicate a doctor, he duplicated the trainer to train himself to become a doctor, so he is a full fledged doctor now, which is pretty ingenius if he is still good.

Wow, I didn't catch how that happened.

The Jackal · 07-14-2008, 01:32 PM

That's a very good point hoops.

Barkeep49 · 07-14-2008, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

BARKEEP49- Does the number of people that the spawn aware person works with effect his chances of scanning a spawn? In other words, if spawn-aware person works with player B only, does he have the same chance for success then if he works with players B, C, and D?

If a Spawn Aware person works with more than one person it decreases the chance of find a spawn for any of them.

PurdueBrad · 07-14-2008, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

If a Spawn Aware person works with more than one person it decreases the chance of find a spawn for any of them.

Then Alan, Hoops, not trying to take the choice away from you but I think Danny and Claphamsa have to work together, probably just the two of them.

hoopsguy · 07-14-2008, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chubby

I'm still catching up but a recap so far...

There was a reason nobody else was in any danger on the mission I went on. I got attacked by a spawn but found out I'm incorruptible.

Somethings struck me as odd about Marc Vaughn since the start. He's been super quiet and was begging to be scanned or empathed. Now he comes out as the empath?

Nice try Marc but you spawn must be hurting if you are fake revealing this early. I suspect MV is the unaware spawn but I am 100% certain that he is not the empath. Therefore he gets my vote and should get everyone else's vote.

I have no heat on me, I have zero reason to start shit unless I was 100% sure which I am.

Bring on the spawn counterattack.

UNVOTE OLIEGIRL
VOTE CHUBBY

Alan T · 07-14-2008, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, then I'm going to move for voting Chubby.

He claimed to be both Incorruptible and Empathic. And I think there is a better chance he has a significant role than Oliegirl. I recognize this is taking a chance with Olie having the bigger role, but I think it is a pretty calculated risk.

I'll go find posts that show where Chubby claimed Incorruptible and then change my vote.

Heh for whatever it is worth, I have held that piece of information about Chubby close to my vest for a few days not mentioning it yet.. When you were throwing out Chubby having been cleared by marc, it further notched my distrust of you but I didn't press it as everyone already knows I don't trust you.

If you go back and look, I was the one who asked Chubby to clarify on that, and just kept it in mind the entire time. My worst fear today has been that you and Chubby are bad, and tonight Kwhit and I will be killed thus making you unlynchable as a spawn.

Tyrith · 07-14-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Wow, I didn't catch how that happened.

Me either, but that's a pretty legit way to clear yourself, haha.

Tyrith · 07-14-2008, 01:35 PM

And hoops wins the villager of the year prize. You die tomorrow, olie.

UNVOTE OLIEGIRL
VOTE CHUBBY

Alan T · 07-14-2008, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrith

And hoops wins the villager of the year prize. You die tomorrow, olie.

UNVOTE OLIEGIRL
VOTE CHUBBY

Just to be clear, Hoops was trying to say Chubby was cleared earlier until I pushed on that.

The Jackal · 07-14-2008, 01:36 PM

vote chubby

hoopsguy · 07-14-2008, 01:37 PM

I meant to ask this question that day - which means that if he has a good role that we wasted getting that out of the way until now. Hard to be too mad about it with getting Spawn on Days 3 and 4, but still frustrating to have missed following up on a thought that was a stone-cold lock to get us a Spawn.

Also, Saldana is back in the rotation. In addition to all the math you can now add a fake clear from a Spawn to his resume.

claphamsa · 07-14-2008, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal

saldana - I can corroborate what PB is saying, unless one of the other engineers is AT with me, but I don't think that seems to be the case.

the thing at the begning of the game (rulez) doesnt say its 1:1

PurdueBrad · 07-14-2008, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

tonight Kwhit and I will be killed

Alan, if you have a legitimate fear of being night-killed, I support you using your duke power in whatever way you see fit tonight and won't fault you. As it is, we've got likely two of the spawn pegged with Chubby and Oliegirl, so your gut could lead us to another one. Consider it, although I'm sure you may already be doing just that.

The Jackal · 07-14-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

the thing at the begning of the game (rulez) doesnt say its 1:1

I don't understand what you mean by 1:1

The Jackal · 07-14-2008, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Alan, if you have a legitimate fear of being night-killed, I support you using your duke power in whatever way you see fit tonight and won't fault you. As it is, we've got likely two of the spawn pegged with Chubby and Oliegirl, so your gut could lead us to another one. Consider it, although I'm sure you may already be doing just that.

+1

07-14-2008, 01:29 PM	#3629
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	yeah, it increases probability with times workgin __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

07-14-2008, 01:29 PM	#3631
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	also, im at the slave pens now! send him on down, since I know im good ! __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

07-14-2008, 01:03 PM	#3601
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	That makes the most sense, good.

07-14-2008, 01:06 PM	#3602
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	For me, right now, I trust: Alan T and KWhit (even though I have tried to question them several times, I can't find reason not to) Jackal (I'll assume that I will be notified of any change in my partner until I see otherwise) Hoops (despite last night's discussion, I still feel that Hoops has done a good job ferretting out spawns although it would be a hell of a move to give up the roleless spawn and protect the powerful ones) After that, I'm up in the air. I will admit that I've been a bit blind in my trust of the engineers and I guess I have to stop that. There was no reason other than the fact that we started as a group/team. So we will have to be looked at. As for distrust, I was surprised at Mrs. Schmidty coming back human. Olie and Saldana are my least trusted and I'm curious to see if we can do anything else at this point to re-clear Pass since he's stepped into a vital role.

07-14-2008, 01:07 PM	#3603
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Is it probably the case that either olie is a spawn or both pass and mrs. s are?

07-14-2008, 01:08 PM	#3606
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Hasta luego! Arriverderci! Bon voyage! That means goodbye! VOTE OLIEGIRL

07-14-2008, 01:11 PM	#3610
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	unvote Saldana on both his and Tyrith's follow up to how the damage was done. I'm going to go along with the flow then: vote oliegirl

07-14-2008, 01:14 PM	#3613
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	What is our nighttime engineer priority? We have 3 hours left on security, 3 left on the cargo hold. In all honesty, if we trusted all our engineers, we could split the labor and knock it out. It may also lead us to someone who faked but it's a risk. Otherwise, I would suggest Tyrith and two of us on the security HQ and the other two on the cargo hold. I would love to see us get both repaired but I'm not sure I trust us enough.

07-14-2008, 01:20 PM	#3615
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Tyrith, let's leave it up to people that have been cleared to some degree: HOOPS AND ALAN: Since Danny is spawn aware, which of the engineers would you like him to work with? We are doing a 3-2 engineer split. Your choices are Tyrith, PurdueBrad, Claphamsa, and JEHeinz72. We'll roll with what you guys call.

07-14-2008, 01:22 PM	#3616
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm very skeptical of trusting the engineers as a group. There are five left, none of whom have been cleared with a scan. The trainer was killed, eliminating our ability to fill those spots and we now know it wasn't because the Doctors were bad (both cleared in death). I'm disregarding Absolute Trust and Spawn Aware from Engineers with that statement as I consider them less clear-cut than other vouches.

07-14-2008, 01:23 PM	#3619
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	So Hoops, how would you pair us around Danny for tonight's work?

07-14-2008, 01:24 PM	#3620
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Yeah, it's night work and I'll be around tonight after softball. Hoops, I'll have to go back and pull up who has worked with who.

07-14-2008, 01:26 PM	#3622
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	My recollection is that Danny has gone a long ways towards clearing each of you, as you have all worked in tandem. This is a big part of why I am suspicious of him - he either was bluffing from the start or was turned and is now giving clearance to someone who started as a spawn. Again, I'm not basing this on any role knowledge. I'm basing this on the selections that we have seen for the spawn actions so far - killing mccollins, taking out the doctors - and the lack of results from the supposedly spawn aware person. This is why I put his name up for scan today ... I thought there was a pretty good chance he was bad, but if he was shown to be good then we had some soft clears on several people.

07-14-2008, 01:27 PM	#3623
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Here is who Danny has worked with: Day 2- JEHeinz and Danny Day 3- JEHeinz, Tyrith, PurdueBrad and Danny Day 4- JEHeinz, Tyrith, PurdueBrad and Danny Day 5- JEHeinz and Danny HE HAS TO WORK WITH CLAPH

07-14-2008, 01:27 PM	#3624
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Hoops, I agree. Danny needs to be cleared but he has got to work with Claphamsa. I could've sworn we had it set up that they would work together and I don't know what happened.

07-14-2008, 01:28 PM	#3625
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	saldana - I can corroborate what PB is saying, unless one of the other engineers is AT with me, but I don't think that seems to be the case.

07-14-2008, 01:29 PM	#3627
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	So, stupid question, but Pass is duplicant, therefore we have no more doctor scans for the rest of the game, correct?

07-14-2008, 01:29 PM	#3628
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	BARKEEP49- Does the number of people that the spawn aware person works with effect his chances of scanning a spawn? In other words, if spawn-aware person works with player B only, does he have the same chance for success then if he works with players B, C, and D?

07-14-2008, 01:29 PM	#3630
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	PB, I agree on this point. If we are going to try and trust him then it has to be Clap. We aren't scanning him today and we aren't voting him today (barring any revelations). So it would be good to see where this goes tomorrow.

07-14-2008, 01:32 PM	#3635
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	OK, then I'm going to move for voting Chubby. He claimed to be both Incorruptible and Empathic. And I think there is a better chance he has a significant role than Oliegirl. I recognize this is taking a chance with Olie having the bigger role, but I think it is a pretty calculated risk. I'll go find posts that show where Chubby claimed Incorruptible and then change my vote.

07-14-2008, 01:32 PM	#3637
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	That's a very good point hoops.

07-14-2008, 01:35 PM	#3643
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	And hoops wins the villager of the year prize. You die tomorrow, olie. UNVOTE OLIEGIRL VOTE CHUBBY

07-14-2008, 01:36 PM	#3645
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	vote chubby

07-14-2008, 01:37 PM	#3646
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I meant to ask this question that day - which means that if he has a good role that we wasted getting that out of the way until now. Hard to be too mad about it with getting Spawn on Days 3 and 4, but still frustrating to have missed following up on a thought that was a stone-cold lock to get us a Spawn. Also, Saldana is back in the rotation. In addition to all the math you can now add a fake clear from a Spawn to his resume.

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