07-14-2008, 11:28 AM | #3551 |
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My line of questioning Hoops was to see whether or not they really got the PMs because there are no names mentioned. Had they said they received each other's names, then I would have put a vote there.
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07-14-2008, 11:29 AM | #3552 |
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PB, I agree that Mrs Schmity should be a scan candidate. I would like to see either her or Danny (who can semi-clear other engineers if he is Spawn Aware and has not been converted) scanned today.
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07-14-2008, 11:30 AM | #3553 |
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Alan, I originally assumed engineers as well but my second night's PM explicitly stated Privates and Medics. I've either completely missed any hints dropped by those people or they are not dropping hints. I'm honestly guessing at the last part but given that we're almost on page 70, it could be the first half too.
That was another reason I was suspicious of you and KWhit, since you were basically from the same "group" of workers. |
07-14-2008, 11:30 AM | #3554 |
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07-14-2008, 11:36 AM | #3555 |
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I just woke up and leave shortly for work so I'll make a quick post. I guarded Jackal last night without incident. I'll try to get caught up and make a vote before I leave since I get off work right at deadline today.
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07-14-2008, 11:37 AM | #3556 |
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oh eyah, FYI, while im sure no one cares, I have hockey and softball tongiht., so i wont be aroudn at deadline like normal
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07-14-2008, 11:37 AM | #3557 | |
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What made you decide that you wanted to guard the jackal of all people? |
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07-14-2008, 11:39 AM | #3558 |
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07-14-2008, 11:39 AM | #3559 |
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07-14-2008, 11:41 AM | #3560 | |
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Was MV a doctor and I missed it? I thought we (Olie and I) were told by Hoops to guard the doctors. Since we didn't want to say in the thread whom we were guarding last night and she said she had put in her PM I went with Jackal assuming she would guard the more obvious choice of Path. |
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07-14-2008, 11:47 AM | #3561 | |
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This is the quote I was referring to. |
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07-14-2008, 11:48 AM | #3562 |
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07-14-2008, 11:49 AM | #3563 | |
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07-14-2008, 11:53 AM | #3564 | |
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Sorry, I looked at page 1 of the thread to confirm the two "doctors" and Path is listed and Jackal is listed as Medic. I thought page was being updated as far as when people got trained (obviously I was wrong about that then). When Hoops said to guard the doctors, I thought he misspoke and meant the doctor and the medic. Olie said she put in her PM already and again I thought she would guard Path, so I chose Jackal based on the info I had. It's been hard for me to keep up in the game and I'm not referring to mere post counts. The roles and such I've had to refer to page one on numerous occasions. Please, by all means scan me. |
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07-14-2008, 12:02 PM | #3565 |
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Has the jackal been scanned, empathed or in any other way cleared? In my notes, I don't have him cleared at all. Did I overlook something?
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07-14-2008, 12:12 PM | #3566 |
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VOTE OLIEGIRL
Reasons as follows: 1. Perhaps she is the unaware and guarding MV was too much a temptation and she killed him (I say the unaware because it just seems too obvious that we were guarding medical personnel last night so why would the spawn take the chance of getting blocked?) 2. She's not wounded. I'm leaving for work so I won't be on the boards again until after 7pst. |
07-14-2008, 12:19 PM | #3567 | |
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No. Jackal is a medic. Path and MV were the doctors. If you guarded Jackal yet you and I were seen walking around together, what was the explanation for that? Prelim vote since I'm going to be out for a while, but will be back before deadline to switch if I need to... VOTE MRS. SCHMIDTY |
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07-14-2008, 12:23 PM | #3568 | |
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Glad I looked before I left. Reread BK's post - doesn't say we were together. My vote stands. |
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07-14-2008, 12:24 PM | #3569 |
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Three people? Ugh.
No, I don't think I've been cleared, I welcome any interrogation or scanning or what not. It is very strange that neither of you guarded our doctors. |
07-14-2008, 12:26 PM | #3570 |
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Jackal, what were you doing last night? Perhaps you can help shed some light on why Mrs Schmidty and Oliegirl would have both been lurkign around the ship.
I've got ideas on this, but they are from the same line of questioning with the moderator that led me to believe Telle was part of a coordinated attack, so I'm not sure how well they will be received. But I need Jackal to fill in the blanks first before posting on this. |
07-14-2008, 12:29 PM | #3571 |
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Pass, who are you going to scan (if anyone) today? I imagine that would help the push toward either Olie or Mrs. Schmidty, since one of those seems to be the obvious play today.
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07-14-2008, 12:29 PM | #3572 | |
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I don't have anything to do at night, so I didn't even submit an action, which would usually have me just sleep. But I've no idea where I was, no PM or anything. |
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07-14-2008, 12:29 PM | #3573 | ||
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Direct from BK's write up post. My vote stands as well. |
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07-14-2008, 12:31 PM | #3574 |
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07-14-2008, 12:32 PM | #3575 |
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Why wouldn't your votes stand? There's nothing illegal about either of them.
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07-14-2008, 12:33 PM | #3576 | |
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I just put in an order on Mrs. Schmidty. I don't want to die, and her story seems more likely the result of not paying attention, so it gives me a good person to scan, and in my mind, a good (but not great) chance to live. |
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07-14-2008, 12:34 PM | #3577 | |
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Good choice I think. Of the two, she seemed more likely to not be 100% a spawn. I was just playing through that in my head... I'm not convinced she isn't a spawn, but if i had to choose between her and oliegirl, it seems oliegirl is pretty certainly a spawn. |
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07-14-2008, 12:35 PM | #3578 |
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"Mrs. Schmidty it's so good to see you come for an exam,"Dr. Caglia gushes. The exam is routine and the two continue on to other work.
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07-14-2008, 12:36 PM | #3579 |
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OK, and I don't know if this helps or hurts Jackal, but without a bed to sleep in he would end up moving about looking for someplace to sleep. That is what Telle was doing when I spied on her.
So what that suggests to me is that both Mrs Schmidty and Oliegirl were engaged in activities following (spying or guarding, I suppose) someone who was not stationary. This is probably equally applicable for any of the folks without a specific night duty (includes Marc Vaughn, I would imagine) and doesn't create any kind of in-thread linkage between the two of them. I'm raising this because Olie is trying to create an association between the two people. I would argue that it does not have to be there - it may or may not be, but based on what I saw with Telle it does not have to be there. I have zero insight into Mrs Schmidty, other than my "paranoid/delusional" concerns about her as an early spawn that would damage our trust list. But I'm pretty disappointed in what happened here if she was human. I'm more inclined to believe that she was also Spawn and they took their shot at both doctors hoping I would do what I posted I was going to do in the thread (guard something). |
07-14-2008, 12:42 PM | #3581 |
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OK, so here is what is involved with trusting our scans (all seer scans must not be Unaware Spawn):
Alan - Brig needed to be pristine on N2, N3. Also brought up by MV in an empath scan. Cross vouching with KWhit on Absolute Trust. KWhit - Needed to actually be guarded by Mrs Schmidty on N1, if so then Brig was pristine on N2 and N3, we have good trust at top of food chain. Cross vouching with Alan on Absolute Trust. With Pass clear of Mrs Schmidty, this seems increasingly likely. Hoops - Needed to not be a conversion target N3 Schmidty - Demonstrated replicant ability, needed to not be a conversion target N3 Pass - Demonstrated replicant ability, needed to not be a conversion target N1 - N3 Chubby - needed to pass an Empath scan from Marc V Saldana - needed to pass an Empath scan from Chubby Purdue - saying he is in Absolute Trust, but does not know his partner. Am I missing any of the clears, and the conditions surrounding them being valid? |
07-14-2008, 12:43 PM | #3582 |
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Note that guarding a person, as Mrs Schmidty did Jackal, does not provide any kind of clearance for that person (Jackal) as spawn. I've asked this question to BK in regards to my own guard actions.
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07-14-2008, 12:44 PM | #3583 | |
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Chubby has not passed any scans yet. Marc's scan attempt of Chubby was invalid. Chubby is completely uncleared |
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07-14-2008, 12:48 PM | #3584 |
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I saved and re-read through all my PMs and I *believe* that my absolute trust partner(s) was/were killed today. This is the first night that I have not received a PM with any reference to my AT group.
Alan/Kwhit, do you continue to get updates or references to your group in your PMs or have you gone a night where you've received nothing? |
07-14-2008, 12:49 PM | #3585 |
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PB, you have good feelings and happy dreams about the medical staff?
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07-14-2008, 12:49 PM | #3586 |
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I didn't realize Mark Vaughn was a private at the beginning. My best guess is that my group either consisted of both Path and Vaughn or at least one of them.
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07-14-2008, 12:50 PM | #3587 |
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07-14-2008, 12:51 PM | #3588 |
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Yeah, so I feel pretty good about PB then. I'm guessing MV was the third member, since at the beginning my AT dreams consisted of engineers and privates.
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07-14-2008, 12:53 PM | #3589 | |
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This is post 1836 but I know it was discussed earlier. |
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07-14-2008, 12:53 PM | #3590 |
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Also missed Mrs Schmidty cleared by seer scan (Pass).
So the scans on Alan, KWhit, Hoops are all known good, barring Unaware Spawn. All done by cleared (in death) doctor Path12. Alan + KWhit were locked in the brig with people who have been cleared in death, so only Hoops (here I go, talking about myself in 3rd person) has a chance of being converted (N3) after being cleared. |
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07-14-2008, 12:54 PM | #3592 | |
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PB, I received no pm today at all for the first time. The last PM I got was confirming that I was in an absolute trust group, so I assume I won't get anything further until Kwhit is converted (which is impossible right now), I am not sure if i receive something if he dies though |
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07-14-2008, 12:57 PM | #3593 |
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Thx Alan, I got a bit paranoid (apparently unnecessarily so) when I got nothing. I did ask BK if I would be informed if my partner became a spawn and he sent a one word response: maybe (it wasn't that exact word but I don't even want to quote his one-word response because I know I'm not supposed to).
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07-14-2008, 12:57 PM | #3594 |
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07-14-2008, 12:58 PM | #3595 |
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Continuing on clears:
- both Pass and Schmidty have demonstrated the duplicant role, which means that they are villagers. I initially had this mistaken with empathic - Chubby appears to have started the game as empathic, which means that there is a 50/50 shot he could have been converted |
07-14-2008, 12:58 PM | #3596 |
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Barkeep, is it possible for a villager to have two (or more) "survivor secret roles"?
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07-14-2008, 12:59 PM | #3597 |
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I guess there's a chance PB turned into a spawn and that's why I didn't get a PM, but it sounds like we went through the same thing, so maybe the connection was severed since one of our people died.
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07-14-2008, 01:01 PM | #3598 | |
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Because of this, I absolutely trust Jackal as Friday was the day that I received a PM that, for the first time, mentioned Absolute Trust and it was in all bold. I had figured it out before then but not by a lot and this was the day it was explicitly stated. I know that won't count as a clear, but it's good enough for me. |
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07-14-2008, 01:02 PM | #3599 | |
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It sounds like Alan and KWhit didn't get PMs either, so maybe we'll now only get them when something changes. |
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07-14-2008, 01:02 PM | #3600 | |
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I don't think that is the case, Jackal.
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If you had a trust with someone, you would have been informed if they were turned. You can see why, after Telle (and Olie, I'm pretty damn sure) that someone might be questioning a person not knowing the rules around their role(s)? |
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