2009 MLB Regular Season Thread - Page 71

k0ruptr · 07-28-2009, 03:58 PM

dola, thought that was pretty cool.

Logan · 07-28-2009, 04:00 PM

Definitely awesome, Buerhle seems like a great guy. Good for him.

ISiddiqui · 07-28-2009, 04:02 PM

Good thing there are no Muslims on the team!

Jas_lov · 07-28-2009, 06:28 PM

MLB trade deadline buzz: Tuesday's edition - FOX Sports on MSN

Ken Rosenthal is reporting that Jarrod Washburn is officially available. The Yankees are going to make an offer soon and the Brewers are also interested.

k0ruptr · 07-28-2009, 08:12 PM

Buehrle is perfect through 4 and is 1 out away from tying the ML record for most retired batters in a row, and 2 outs away from breaking the record.

Bobby Jenks incidentally is the record holder along with someone else.

I probably just jinxed everything, but really nice run by Buehrle.

k0ruptr · 07-28-2009, 08:25 PM

And hes got the record! 42 consecutive batters retired!

MizzouRah · 07-28-2009, 08:35 PM

Wow... go Buehrle!

k0ruptr · 07-28-2009, 08:43 PM

Aw wow, a walk! props to you buehrle!

wow the fans in the metrodome our on their feet applauding! although, I don't think it was for buehrle. haha

and then a hit, cheers buehrle.

Lathum · 07-28-2009, 08:48 PM

pretty impressive run

k0ruptr · 07-28-2009, 08:52 PM

14 2/3 straight perfect innings in back to back games. well done

stevew · 07-28-2009, 08:53 PM

Freakin crazy. Especially since he pitches to contact.

k0ruptr · 07-28-2009, 08:59 PM

and now back to baseball, everything falling apart for the chisox now haha.

fuck

Big Fo · 07-28-2009, 09:01 PM

Ouch, Soriano has been so good this year but he just gave up a two run HR to lose the game, Florida wins 4-3.

lungs · 07-28-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lungs

Indeed, Carlos Villanueva. His June ERA was 7.94 and his July ERA is a sparkling 10.80.

Tee off on him for three innings and then get into the Brewers bullpen once again. I have a feeling that we may see a position player pitching tonight for the Brewers if everything falls into place how I think it will.

I was close.

stevew · 07-28-2009, 10:54 PM

Pitchers duel or inept offense battle going on in SF?

Hard to tell. Either pitcher could have been chased by a decent offense.

Swaggs · 07-28-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Pitchers duel or inept offense battle going on in SF?

Hard to tell. Either pitcher could have been chased by a decent offense.

I'm pretty sure that Ryan Doumit is the only player in the Pirates' lineup tonight (Sanchez is out with a sore knee and Wilson is a healthy scratch) with more than 1000 career at bats. And, I'm pretty sure that Doumit has less than 1500.

MizzouRah · 07-28-2009, 11:06 PM

I love our lineup.

I will say, Billingsley has some wicked stuff.. although Wainwright has been stellar tonight.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-28-2009, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm pretty sure that Ryan Doumit is the only player in the Pirates' lineup tonight (Sanchez is out with a sore knee and Wilson is a healthy scratch) with more than 1000 career at bats. And, I'm pretty sure that Doumit has less than 1500.

Ramon Vazquez has 1870 career AB's.

But I think Randy Winn has more career AB's than the Pirates whole lineup.

stevew · 07-28-2009, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm pretty sure that Ryan Doumit is the only player in the Pirates' lineup tonight (Sanchez is out with a sore knee and Wilson is a healthy scratch) with more than 1000 career at bats. And, I'm pretty sure that Doumit has less than 1500.

I'm pretty sure Russell is a bad manager. Morton shouldn't have batted in the 6th with 2 on. We've been burned too often by Pitchers being pulled too late. Our pen is solid.
Unless Karstens starts for a potentially traded Duke tomorrow.

lordscarlet · 07-29-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

I was close.

4 in a row! For only the second time this season. (ugh)

Maple Leafs · 07-29-2009, 10:18 AM

A Toronto newspaper reporter just tweeted that the Phillies have acquired Cliff Lee for Carrasco, Marson, and Donald.

Dr. Sak · 07-29-2009, 10:28 AM

Carrasco was pulled from his start today.

Dr. Sak · 07-29-2009, 10:29 AM

Dola...and really they could still have the prospects to pull off getting Halladay.

Maple Leafs · 07-29-2009, 10:37 AM

Right, because in this trade, they wouldn't be giving up any good ones.

Maple Leafs · 07-29-2009, 10:38 AM

Here's the writer's twitter feed: http://twitter.com/GloBlair

His last post: "Just spoke to AL scout sez if Lee deal is true it's a steal for Phils. Was stunned. Doesn't believe it can be true ..."

Dr. Sak · 07-29-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Right, because in this trade, they wouldn't be giving up any good ones.

Wasn't Toronto asking for Happ, Drabek, and Talor (the CF)? They are still in the organization.

Maple Leafs · 07-29-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Wasn't Toronto asking for Happ, Drabek, and Talor (the CF)? They are still in the organization.

I thought the OF was Brown, but yeah it could still happen.

Still, would the Phillies want both guys?

Dr. Sak · 07-29-2009, 10:49 AM

Brown is an OF too.

I doubt it but it would be amazing if they had a Rotation of:

Halladay
Hamels
Lee
Blanton
Pedro Martinez/Lopez/Moyer/Some other bum that won't pitch in the playoffs

It would be a rotation almost as good as I use to have in the RWBL.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 07-29-2009, 12:41 PM

Rosenthal says Lee deal is done pending medical review.

Sources: Phils reach agreement for Indians' Lee - FOX Sports on MSN

DeToxRox · 07-29-2009, 12:52 PM

I <3 Cleveland.

I guess a Tampa station is saying Martinez is on his way to the Rays but it could be just rumor.

Atocep · 07-29-2009, 12:59 PM

Good deal for the Phillies. The difference between Lee and Halladay is smaller than most realize.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 07-29-2009, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep

Good deal for the Phillies. The difference between Lee and Halladay is smaller than most realize.

Love the deal for the Phillies, though I can't agree with your second point unless people think there is a chasm between the two. Halladay is a markedly better pitcher than Lee, and one I'd much rather have pitching Game 1 of a playoff series.

DeToxRox · 07-29-2009, 01:07 PM

Lee has been lights out in the AL. May as well pencil him in for a 2.5 ERA in the NL.

Atocep · 07-29-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Halladay is a markedly better pitcher than Lee, and one I'd much rather have pitching Game 1 of a playoff series.

This is where I disagree. Since the beginning of last season, which is when Lee overhauled his approach, they've been more or less the same pitcher. I can see it if you don't have faith in the adjustments Lee made sticking or if you think the league will catch up, but even after his Cy Young season I think Lee is a very underrated pitcher.

The only concern I'd have as a Phillie fan is that Lee is more of a flyball pitcher than Halladay so he may become a bit more homer prone.

Alan T · 07-29-2009, 01:12 PM

The difference between Halladay and Lee is that Halladay could be a #1 pitcher for any team in baseball (even including teams like Red Sox, Mets, Yankees, etc who already have a bonafied ace). Lee is an all star calibre pitcher who could be a #1 for many teams, and a very solid #2 for most teams.

He absolutely would help any team in the playoffs either way and was a steal for Philadelphia if this deal is actually as advertised.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-29-2009, 01:13 PM

Jack Wilson, Ian Snell of Pittsburgh Pirates traded to Seattle Mariners for five players - ESPN
The Pittsburgh Pirates have dealt shortstop Jack Wilson and right-handed pitcher Ian Snell to the Seattle Mariners for shortstop Ronny Cedeno, first baseman Jeff Clement, and right-handed pitching prospects Aaron Pribanic, Brett Lorin and Nathan Adcock, the Pirates announced Wednesday.

The team said Cedeno will report directly to the Pirates, while Clement is headed to Triple-A Indianapolis and Pribanic, Lorin and Adcock are being assigned to Single-A teams.

Clement, Seattle's first-round pick and the third overall selection in the 2005 draft, was hitting .288 with 33 doubles, 14 home runs, 68 RBIs and 65 runs scored at Triple-A Tacoma in the Pacific Coast League.

"Our scouts have consistently projected Clement to be an everyday major league contributor with the power to hit 20-plus home runs," Pirates GM Neal Huntington said.

Wilson, who was the Pirates' longest-tenured player, is hitting .267 with four home runs and 31 RBIs. Snell is 2-8 with a 5.36 ERA in 15 starts.

The Mariners made the trade for Wilson perhaps thinking about making the team better for 2010, as well as 2009. The shortstop has a contractual option for next season, for $8.4 million, and it may be that the Mariners will choose to exercise that option -- something that the Pirates were not going to do.

ISiddiqui · 07-29-2009, 01:14 PM

I think Lee is amazing as well, but Halliday has an ERA+ this season of 164, while Lee has an ERA+ of 143. That's not insignificant (though yes, last year, Lee had a much high mark).

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 07-29-2009, 01:15 PM

What Alan said. In my rough, no research behind it back of the envelope sort of way, I'd say Halladay is Top 3 and Lee if Top 15 in baseball. Both are great, but Halladay is extra-great.

Atocep · 07-29-2009, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I think Lee is amazing as well, but Halliday has an ERA+ this season of 164, while Lee has an ERA+ of 143. That's not insignificant (though yes, last year, Lee had a much high mark).

Lee also has a .325 BABIP this year so he's been rather unlucky.

ISiddiqui · 07-29-2009, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep

Lee also has a .325 BABIP this year so he's been rather unlucky.

We can look at strikeouts and walks or defensive independant things like that, if you wish. Halladay wins by a pretty decent margin in both K's and BB's over Lee.

Atocep · 07-29-2009, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

We can look at strikeouts and walks or defensive independant things like that, if you wish. Halladay wins by a pretty decent margin in both K's and BB's over Lee.

Since the beginning of last season:

Halladay: 387ip 58bb 28hr 329k 117.6 total vorp

Lee: 375.1ip 67bb 22hr 277k 122.3 total vorp

Very similar pitchers. Halladay gets the edge in strikeouts while everything else is really a wash. I simply stated that since the beginning of last season they've essentially been the same pitcher and I believe its true. Halladay strikes out more batters and has a longer track record, which gives him the edge overall. However, I don't think Lee is a consolation prize by any means.

Atocep · 07-29-2009, 01:43 PM

In other news, according to Will Carroll, Chien-Ming Wang is having surgery on his shoulder capsule; similar to the surgeries Mark Prior, Doc Gooden, and Brien Taylor had.

stevew · 07-29-2009, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Jack Wilson, Ian Snell of Pittsburgh Pirates traded to Seattle Mariners for five players - ESPN
The Pittsburgh Pirates have dealt shortstop Jack Wilson and right-handed pitcher Ian Snell to the Seattle Mariners for shortstop Ronny Cedeno, first baseman Jeff Clement, and right-handed pitching prospects Aaron Pribanic, Brett Lorin and Nathan Adcock, the Pirates announced Wednesday.

The team said Cedeno will report directly to the Pirates, while Clement is headed to Triple-A Indianapolis and Pribanic, Lorin and Adcock are being assigned to Single-A teams.

Clement, Seattle's first-round pick and the third overall selection in the 2005 draft, was hitting .288 with 33 doubles, 14 home runs, 68 RBIs and 65 runs scored at Triple-A Tacoma in the Pacific Coast League.

"Our scouts have consistently projected Clement to be an everyday major league contributor with the power to hit 20-plus home runs," Pirates GM Neal Huntington said.

Wilson, who was the Pirates' longest-tenured player, is hitting .267 with four home runs and 31 RBIs. Snell is 2-8 with a 5.36 ERA in 15 starts.

The Mariners made the trade for Wilson perhaps thinking about making the team better for 2010, as well as 2009. The shortstop has a contractual option for next season, for $8.4 million, and it may be that the Mariners will choose to exercise that option -- something that the Pirates were not going to do.

Finally they dealt the whiny cunt Ian Snell. Like the trade for the Bucs....Basically it pisses off the fringe fans who think Jack Wilson's a freaking all Star. Seems to be a good return.

Atocep · 07-29-2009, 02:13 PM

Glad to see Jeff Clement get a change of scenery. Hopefully the Pirates play him instead of letting him sit in AAA.

Swaggs · 07-29-2009, 02:25 PM

Turning two months of Jack Wilson and Ian Snell (who is a headcase and was never going to pitch for the Pirates again) into five players, including a few that actually seem to have some upside, is amazing. Just getting out from under Snell's 2010 salary was a win. I wouldn't mind seeing Wilson return next season, as a FA, but I am very happy with this trade and, overall, with what the Pirates have been doing this season.

Swaggs · 07-29-2009, 02:32 PM

Dola...

Looks like the Pirates are very close to trading Freddy Sanchez to the Giants, as well. This is turning into an OOTP online league-like fire sale.

lighthousekeeper · 07-29-2009, 02:34 PM

the phillies have so many SPs now, i really doubt they'd go after halladay at this point:

1. Lee
2. Hamels
3. Blanton
4. Happ
5. Moyer
6. Lopez
7. Pedro (basically ready for the majors shortly)
8. Myers (may be back by late Aug or Sept)

should be intersting what they do now. 3 of the 8 above will not make the rotation (4 if they do get halladay). i'm guessing: myers (bullpen), pedro (bullpen) and... moyer? (released)

stevew · 07-29-2009, 02:37 PM

The pirates are currently slated to pay these players (much)more than the league minimum next year

C-Doumit
Utility-Vasquez
Utility-guy they got from the Mariners in this trade
SP-Maholm
SP-Duke
MR-Yates
CL-capps
MR-Karstens

Maybe a few others, but they'll be making less than 1 million.

Maple Leafs · 07-29-2009, 02:45 PM

Just for the drama of it, I now sort of hope the Jays trade Halladay to a team that faces the Phillies in the playoffs.

Dr. Sak · 07-29-2009, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Just for the drama of it, I now sort of hope the Jays trade Halladay to a team that faces the Phillies in the playoffs.

WASN'T JOE CARTER ENOUGH!?!?

07-28-2009, 04:02 PM	#3503
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Good thing there are no Muslims on the team! __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-28-2009, 08:43 PM	#3508
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	Aw wow, a walk! props to you buehrle! wow the fans in the metrodome our on their feet applauding! although, I don't think it was for buehrle. haha and then a hit, cheers buehrle. Last edited by k0ruptr : 07-28-2009 at 08:45 PM.

07-29-2009, 10:18 AM	#3521
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	A Toronto newspaper reporter just tweeted that the Phillies have acquired Cliff Lee for Carrasco, Marson, and Donald. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

07-29-2009, 10:37 AM	#3524
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Right, because in this trade, they wouldn't be giving up any good ones. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

07-29-2009, 10:38 AM	#3525
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Here's the writer's twitter feed: http://twitter.com/GloBlair His last post: "Just spoke to AL scout sez if Lee deal is true it's a steal for Phils. Was stunned. Doesn't believe it can be true ..." __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

07-28-2009, 03:58 PM	#3501
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	dola, thought that was pretty cool.

07-28-2009, 04:00 PM	#3502
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Definitely awesome, Buerhle seems like a great guy. Good for him.

07-28-2009, 06:28 PM	#3504
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	MLB trade deadline buzz: Tuesday's edition - FOX Sports on MSN Ken Rosenthal is reporting that Jarrod Washburn is officially available. The Yankees are going to make an offer soon and the Brewers are also interested.

07-28-2009, 08:12 PM	#3505
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	Buehrle is perfect through 4 and is 1 out away from tying the ML record for most retired batters in a row, and 2 outs away from breaking the record. Bobby Jenks incidentally is the record holder along with someone else. I probably just jinxed everything, but really nice run by Buehrle.

07-28-2009, 08:25 PM	#3506
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	And hes got the record! 42 consecutive batters retired!

07-28-2009, 08:35 PM	#3507
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Wow... go Buehrle!

07-28-2009, 08:48 PM	#3509
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	pretty impressive run

07-28-2009, 08:52 PM	#3510
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	14 2/3 straight perfect innings in back to back games. well done

07-28-2009, 08:53 PM	#3511
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Freakin crazy. Especially since he pitches to contact.

07-28-2009, 08:59 PM	#3512
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	and now back to baseball, everything falling apart for the chisox now haha. fuck

07-28-2009, 09:01 PM	#3513
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	Ouch, Soriano has been so good this year but he just gave up a two run HR to lose the game, Florida wins 4-3.

07-28-2009, 10:54 PM	#3515
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Pitchers duel or inept offense battle going on in SF? Hard to tell. Either pitcher could have been chased by a decent offense.

07-28-2009, 11:06 PM	#3517
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	I love our lineup. I will say, Billingsley has some wicked stuff.. although Wainwright has been stellar tonight.

07-29-2009, 10:28 AM	#3522
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Carrasco was pulled from his start today.

07-29-2009, 10:29 AM	#3523
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Dola...and really they could still have the prospects to pull off getting Halladay.

07-29-2009, 10:49 AM	#3528
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Brown is an OF too. I doubt it but it would be amazing if they had a Rotation of: Halladay Hamels Lee Blanton Pedro Martinez/Lopez/Moyer/Some other bum that won't pitch in the playoffs It would be a rotation almost as good as I use to have in the RWBL. Last edited by Dr. Sak : 07-29-2009 at 01:06 PM.

07-29-2009, 12:41 PM	#3529
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Rosenthal says Lee deal is done pending medical review. Sources: Phils reach agreement for Indians' Lee - FOX Sports on MSN __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

07-29-2009, 12:52 PM	#3530
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	I <3 Cleveland. I guess a Tampa station is saying Martinez is on his way to the Rays but it could be just rumor.

07-29-2009, 12:59 PM	#3531
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Good deal for the Phillies. The difference between Lee and Halladay is smaller than most realize.

07-29-2009, 01:07 PM	#3533
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Lee has been lights out in the AL. May as well pencil him in for a 2.5 ERA in the NL.

07-29-2009, 01:12 PM	#3535
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	The difference between Halladay and Lee is that Halladay could be a #1 pitcher for any team in baseball (even including teams like Red Sox, Mets, Yankees, etc who already have a bonafied ace). Lee is an all star calibre pitcher who could be a #1 for many teams, and a very solid #2 for most teams. He absolutely would help any team in the playoffs either way and was a steal for Philadelphia if this deal is actually as advertised. __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

07-29-2009, 01:13 PM	#3536
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Jack Wilson, Ian Snell of Pittsburgh Pirates traded to Seattle Mariners for five players - ESPN The Pittsburgh Pirates have dealt shortstop Jack Wilson and right-handed pitcher Ian Snell to the Seattle Mariners for shortstop Ronny Cedeno, first baseman Jeff Clement, and right-handed pitching prospects Aaron Pribanic, Brett Lorin and Nathan Adcock, the Pirates announced Wednesday. The team said Cedeno will report directly to the Pirates, while Clement is headed to Triple-A Indianapolis and Pribanic, Lorin and Adcock are being assigned to Single-A teams. Clement, Seattle's first-round pick and the third overall selection in the 2005 draft, was hitting .288 with 33 doubles, 14 home runs, 68 RBIs and 65 runs scored at Triple-A Tacoma in the Pacific Coast League. "Our scouts have consistently projected Clement to be an everyday major league contributor with the power to hit 20-plus home runs," Pirates GM Neal Huntington said. Wilson, who was the Pirates' longest-tenured player, is hitting .267 with four home runs and 31 RBIs. Snell is 2-8 with a 5.36 ERA in 15 starts. The Mariners made the trade for Wilson perhaps thinking about making the team better for 2010, as well as 2009. The shortstop has a contractual option for next season, for $8.4 million, and it may be that the Mariners will choose to exercise that option -- something that the Pirates were not going to do. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

07-29-2009, 01:14 PM	#3537
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	I think Lee is amazing as well, but Halliday has an ERA+ this season of 164, while Lee has an ERA+ of 143. That's not insignificant (though yes, last year, Lee had a much high mark). __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-29-2009, 01:15 PM	#3538
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	What Alan said. In my rough, no research behind it back of the envelope sort of way, I'd say Halladay is Top 3 and Lee if Top 15 in baseball. Both are great, but Halladay is extra-great. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

07-29-2009, 01:43 PM	#3542
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	In other news, according to Will Carroll, Chien-Ming Wang is having surgery on his shoulder capsule; similar to the surgeries Mark Prior, Doc Gooden, and Brien Taylor had.

07-29-2009, 02:13 PM	#3544
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Glad to see Jeff Clement get a change of scenery. Hopefully the Pirates play him instead of letting him sit in AAA.

07-29-2009, 02:25 PM	#3545
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Turning two months of Jack Wilson and Ian Snell (who is a headcase and was never going to pitch for the Pirates again) into five players, including a few that actually seem to have some upside, is amazing. Just getting out from under Snell's 2010 salary was a win. I wouldn't mind seeing Wilson return next season, as a FA, but I am very happy with this trade and, overall, with what the Pirates have been doing this season. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-29-2009, 02:32 PM	#3546
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Dola... Looks like the Pirates are very close to trading Freddy Sanchez to the Giants, as well. This is turning into an OOTP online league-like fire sale. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-29-2009, 02:34 PM	#3547
lighthousekeeper College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	the phillies have so many SPs now, i really doubt they'd go after halladay at this point: 1. Lee 2. Hamels 3. Blanton 4. Happ 5. Moyer 6. Lopez 7. Pedro (basically ready for the majors shortly) 8. Myers (may be back by late Aug or Sept) should be intersting what they do now. 3 of the 8 above will not make the rotation (4 if they do get halladay). i'm guessing: myers (bullpen), pedro (bullpen) and... moyer? (released) __________________ ...

07-29-2009, 02:37 PM	#3548
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	The pirates are currently slated to pay these players (much)more than the league minimum next year C-Doumit Utility-Vasquez Utility-guy they got from the Mariners in this trade SP-Maholm SP-Duke MR-Yates CL-capps MR-Karstens Maybe a few others, but they'll be making less than 1 million.