The Official NBA 2016 Offseason Thread - Page 7

nol · 07-01-2016, 01:15 PM

If the players on the old contracts are good enough, it's no problem to go over the cap to keep them. If not, that's what trades are for.

Izulde · 07-01-2016, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I am just assuming the Lakers don't actually know who Timofey Mozgov is.

I think they meant to hire me and signed Mozgov by mistake.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-01-2016, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

I think they meant to hire me and signed Mozgov by mistake.

Maybe it's the hat.
Timofey Mozgov Winter Hat Commercial - YouTube

Thomkal · 07-01-2016, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

OJ Mayo kicked out of the league for 2 years with his violation of the drug policy.

talk about bad timing O.J...see ya in 2 years...or not.

Izulde · 07-01-2016, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Maybe it's the hat.
Timofey Mozgov Winter Hat Commercial - YouTube

Okay, that is the *best* giveaway commercial I've ever seen.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-01-2016, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

Okay, that is the *best* giveaway commercial I've ever seen.

"Good bear"

Arles · 07-01-2016, 02:17 PM

Mirza Teletovic just agreed to a 3-year, $30 mil deal with Milwaukee. He played very well for the Suns last year and I think that's a pretty good signing. I'd rather be paying Teletovic $10 mil per for 3 than Ryan Anderson $17-20 mil per for 4.

stevew · 07-01-2016, 02:18 PM

Mosgov is a solid player when healthy. I believe I called this deal a year ago.

korme · 07-01-2016, 02:19 PM

Trying to figure out where he fits in in Milwaukee though.

stevew · 07-01-2016, 02:21 PM

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Arles · 07-01-2016, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by korme

Trying to figure out where he fits in in Milwaukee though.

Mirza hit nearly 40% from 3 last year as a 6-9 PF. The Bucks only have two players who hit more than 33% from 3 and they are both guards (Bayless and Middleton). The Bucks most common lineup was MCW (27% 3), Middleton, Giannis (25%), Jabari (25%) and Monroe (0%). Not much floor spacing there. Swap in Mirza for Jabari and you have two threats. They could also pair him with Bayless in the second unit to add more space. A big man who can shoot is exactly what the Bucks needed.

nol · 07-01-2016, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by korme

Trying to figure out where he fits in in Milwaukee though.

$10 million/year is bench player money. Al Jefferson on the same deal in Indiana should be pretty good too, especially if he can help Myles Turner learn some post moves.

Evan Turner got $70-75 million for 4 years in Portland. Safe to say Neil Olshey won't be repeating as Executive of the Year.

Chandler Parsons is on to Memphis for the max. Evan Fournier signed to a pretty reasonable deal in Orlando.

murrayyyyy · 07-01-2016, 02:36 PM

Grizz sign Parsons. Now I just hope he stays healthy. I don't know if he was max money but Conley wanted to play with him supposedly.

Arles · 07-01-2016, 02:43 PM

Turner for 4-$75 mil shows the new world we are in. A SG/SF who averaged a 10-4-5 and shot 24% from 3 is now making $18 mil per. Wow

Arles · 07-01-2016, 02:44 PM

Bayless just signed for 3-$27 mil with Philly. Not a bad deal in this market and it makes the Teletovic addition even more important to the Bucks.

murrayyyyy · 07-01-2016, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

Turner for 4-$75 mil shows the new world we are in. A SG/SF who averaged a 10-4-5 and shot 24% from 3 is now making $18 mil per. Wow

So Crabbe is out I assume? Supposedly Dellavedova is going to Bucks now.

Arles · 07-01-2016, 02:54 PM

Now the Bucks are closing in on a 4-year, $38 mil deal for Matthew Dellavedova

I'd have rather kept Bayless for 3-$27.

JPhillips · 07-01-2016, 03:14 PM

Evan Turner is worth almost 20 mil a year?

To be young and tall...

Eaglesfan27 · 07-01-2016, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Evan Turner is worth almost 20 mil a year?

To be young and tall...

I can't believe some of these deals. Crazy amounts of money being thrown around for mid tier talents at best.

Arles · 07-01-2016, 03:17 PM

The latest insanity is giving Soloman Hill 4-$52 mil (courtesy of New Orleans).

Arles · 07-01-2016, 03:23 PM

MikeVic · 07-01-2016, 03:23 PM

Wasn't it known since last free agency period that contracts will go up like crazy this year and next year? Or am I imagining things?

Arles · 07-01-2016, 03:27 PM

Oh yeah, I just don't think people thought Evan Turner would get $70 mil and Mosgov would get $64 mil.

nol · 07-01-2016, 03:37 PM

I don't know why NBA teams haven't been more aggressive in looking to sign guys who washed out of the league and have gone on to do well in Europe. I'd pay Ekpe Udoh $8 million a year before paying Mozgov twice that and it couldn't have taken close to that much to give someone a second/third chance in the NBA.

Atocep · 07-01-2016, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I can't believe some of these deals. Crazy amounts of money being thrown around for mid tier talents at best.

The NBA offered a plan to gradually increase the cap while sending the difference to the NBAPA to disperse to the players. The players shot that down.

If you're a guy that isn't a free agent right now you have to pissed. Evan Turner now makes twice as much as Steph Curry.

It's a good thing Austin Rivers isn't a free agent or Doc would make sure he got a max deal.

wustin · 07-01-2016, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Evan Turner is worth almost 20 mil a year?

To be young and tall...

He's the most average combo guard you can possibly imagine. The worst part is that he can't shoot 3s.

nol · 07-01-2016, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

It's a good thing Austin Rivers isn't a free agent or Doc would make sure he got a max deal.

He actually is, so there's still time.

murrayyyyy · 07-01-2016, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by nol

I don't know why NBA teams haven't been more aggressive in looking to sign guys who washed out of the league and have gone on to do well in Europe. I'd pay Ekpe Udoh $8 million a year before paying Mozgov twice that and it couldn't have taken close to that much to give someone a second/third chance in the NBA.

This or sit tight and make 6-10 million dollar offers to the leftovers.

nol · 07-01-2016, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Wasn't it known since last free agency period that contracts will go up like crazy this year and next year? Or am I imagining things?

Yeah, I like to think I've drilled myself well enough to think of the contracts as a percentage of the cap, and even then seeing borderline rotation-quality players get that much money seems way off to me. Evan Turner getting 1/6th of the salary cap? He'll be 28 when the season starts, so it's not like he has all this untapped potential.

Call me crazy, but I would love to see Rondo reunited with Doc. He's a borderline starter so it's probably best for him to go somewhere that has a point guard so much better than him that there's no controversy with having him as the back-up. With what's getting thrown around today, you could talk me into 3 years, $30 million for someone who would certainly be an upgrade for the bench.

nol · 07-01-2016, 05:46 PM

Dwight back to his hometown of Atlanta. 3 years, $70.5 million. Would be cool to see him to have a little revival, but it does seem to indicate that Horford is out the door for them.

wustin · 07-01-2016, 06:09 PM

Does that means Horford is really going to OKC? Jesus. If Durant resigns that's a scary starting 5.

nol · 07-01-2016, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wustin

Does that means Horford is really going to OKC? Jesus. If Durant resigns that's a scary starting 5.

Yeah, like I said during the draft it was a pretty iffy move even if Oklahoma City got more 'value' for a player who was going to be a free agent next season (and with that said, it was still pretty ridiculous for Orlando to give up that much for Ibaka. Not exactly a win-win trade), but them making that move in anticipation of Horford is some next-level thinking you can't help but applaud.

whomario · 07-01-2016, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

Now the Bucks are closing in on a 4-year, $38 mil deal for Matthew Dellavedova

I'd have rather kept Bayless for 3-$27.

Doesnt even seem farfetched that the cavs match that offer ... Imo he would be a better fit than Bayless as well, especially if they are all-in on Point-Giannis. Bucks should try if anybody likes Monroe enough with his now decent looking contract to get some value back ...

Conley getting the full 5 year Max seems kinda crazy as well. I love his play but thats still a ton of money for a (premier) game manager ...

nol · 07-01-2016, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by whomario

Doesnt even seem farfetched that the cavs match that offer ...

He'd be costing them at least twice as much as the Bucks' offer in luxury taxes. At that point, going with Kay Felder is understandable given how little Delly played in their championship run.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-01-2016, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nol

Dwight back to his hometown of Atlanta. 3 years, $70.5 million. Would be cool to see him to have a little revival, but it does seem to indicate that Horford is out the door for them.

Well dammit, I tried to stop this.

Galaril · 07-01-2016, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wustin

Does that means Horford is really going to OKC? Jesus. If Durant resigns that's a scary starting 5.

He might though I hope not go to Boston 4 years at 113 million 😳

kingfc22 · 07-01-2016, 07:12 PM

Howard getting that type of money is a slap in the face to anybody who works hard or gives two shits about what they do for a living.

This guy is a no-talent hack who has shown no desire to try over and over again, yet here he is taking in $70M. Must be nice.

SirFozzie · 07-01-2016, 08:57 PM

The Celtics sound like they're going to strike out on Durant, "lost out" on Howard ((dodged a bullet there), and it's down to Horford to make a big splash.

Young Drachma · 07-01-2016, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Howard getting that type of money is a slap in the face to anybody who works hard or gives two shits about what they do for a living.

This guy is a no-talent hack who has shown no desire to try over and over again, yet here he is taking in $70M. Must be nice.

He might be a cry baby and have a list of issues to give one pause but no-talent hack is a bit of hyperbole for a dude that's been to at least one NBA finals and isn't over the hill yet.

I mean, it's no different on the relativity scale to the asshole in the office who makes more than you'd want to pay him, because he's a jerk, but it's not like you're getting tons of guys to come work at the Piggly Widgets for the timing, price and knowing you need to fill the spot with somebody.

So you overpay, but not really overpaying in this market, to get him to come plug a spot and hope he makes it worth the while.

But trying to compare a capped salary league where the money has to go SOMEPLACE isn't really a fair comparison.

Galaril · 07-01-2016, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

The Celtics sound like they're going to strike out on Durant, "lost out" on Howard ((dodged a bullet there), and it's down to Horford to make a big splash.

Ugh Horford for $28 million? Yeah no thanks. He is a at best 15-17 point /8-10 rebound guy.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-01-2016, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Ugh Horford for $38 million? Yeah no thanks. He is a at best 15-17 point /8-10 rebound guy.

He's a decent enough complimentary piece. Not sure if money has any sense of reality left in the NBA at this point.

RainMaker · 07-01-2016, 10:03 PM

Bazemore for 4 years, $70 million. That should end Horford's career in Atlanta.

stevew · 07-01-2016, 11:02 PM

They really should have given existing contracts a 5-15% raise with all the new money.

BishopMVP · 07-01-2016, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

The Celtics sound like they're going to strike out on Durant, "lost out" on Howard ((dodged a bullet there), and it's down to Horford to make a big splash.

We have always been extremely long shots to sign KD, but signing Horford only improves those chances, and unlike Phoenix signing Chandler to lure LMA, clearly helps the team regardless of whether KD signs.

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Ugh Horford for $28 million? Yeah no thanks. He is a at best 15-17 point /8-10 rebound guy.

Who do you want? Outside of KD (who's slightly more likely to come now) he's the best free agent for the team on the market and a clear upgrade on Sully/Amir/Zeller. Who cares if he's getting $28m/y when Evan Turner is making 19, Mozgov 16, etc (and Sully will likely get 15- 20). Especially when we have so many guys on ELC's we literally had to spend like $45m on 3 roster spots to even reach the salary floor.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-01-2016, 11:12 PM

Local coverage in ATL suddenly buzzing that Hawks are actively trying to trade Millsap for cap relief in order to resign Horford.

This day just gets shittier & shittier.

Neon_Chaos · 07-01-2016, 11:15 PM

With the cap increasing, the valuation of what players are worth automatically increase.

It's basically a closed market of 450 players sharing a ridiculous amount of money. So everyone's worth automaticlaly increases. $8-$10 million per year is now bench money, and you have to start from there. Superstars will be paid upwards of 30 million a year.

jbergey22 · 07-02-2016, 12:50 AM

So Noah signs for only 8 more million than Mozgov? And the Turner and Bazemore contracts are crazy. Hard to spin my head around the money being thrown around. Almost like NFL free agency with a bunch of mid level players getting cash thrown their way. Difference is the NFL contracts arent 100 percent guaranteed.

NBA pay structure is out of whack. Max salaries need to be raised so the superstars can earn closer to what they are worth while these mid level players arent paid like stars.

miami_fan · 07-02-2016, 06:44 AM

I am surprised how much I am not surprised by these contract numbers. I think I knew coming in that I would have no feel for what would be an appropriate dollar value for any player this year. This is the first year I really have spent more time looking at the salary floor than the cap.

My only reaction is I really feel bad for the Dirks of the NBA. Yes, he has made tons of money and yes it is all about the timing of this and next year's free agent classes. But damn, all that BS praise about taking less money for the benefit of the team seem pretty hollow now when you see players that he(Dirk) might still be better than in 2016 making two or three times as much money as he will.

nol · 07-02-2016, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Almost like NFL free agency with a bunch of mid level players getting cash thrown their way.

Almost like sitting out of free agency can be a pretty smart move when the alternative's paying Luol Deng $18 million when he's 34 years old.

Atocep · 07-02-2016, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nol

Almost like sitting out of free agency can be a pretty smart move when the alternative's paying Luol Deng $18 million when he's 34 years old.

Not a good offseason to be a mid-range or lower team.

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Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Mirza Teletovic just agreed to a 3-year, $30 mil deal with Milwaukee. He played very well for the Suns last year and I think that's a pretty good signing. I'd rather be paying Teletovic $10 mil per for 3 than Ryan Anderson $17-20 mil per for 4. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com Last edited by Arles : 07-01-2016 at 02:18 PM.

07-01-2016, 02:43 PM	#314
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Turner for 4-$75 mil shows the new world we are in. A SG/SF who averaged a 10-4-5 and shot 24% from 3 is now making $18 mil per. Wow __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

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Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Bayless just signed for 3-$27 mil with Philly. Not a bad deal in this market and it makes the Teletovic addition even more important to the Bucks. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

07-01-2016, 02:54 PM	#317
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Now the Bucks are closing in on a 4-year, $38 mil deal for Matthew Dellavedova I'd have rather kept Bayless for 3-$27. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

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JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Evan Turner is worth almost 20 mil a year? To be young and tall... __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

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nol Banned Join Date: Oct 2003	If the players on the old contracts are good enough, it's no problem to go over the cap to keep them. If not, that's what trades are for.

07-01-2016, 02:18 PM	#308
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Mosgov is a solid player when healthy. I believe I called this deal a year ago.

07-01-2016, 02:19 PM	#309
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Trying to figure out where he fits in in Milwaukee though.

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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - The NBA 2014-15 Regular Season Thread

07-01-2016, 02:36 PM	#313
murrayyyyy College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Las Vegas	Grizz sign Parsons. Now I just hope he stays healthy. I don't know if he was max money but Conley wanted to play with him supposedly.

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Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	The latest insanity is giving Soloman Hill 4-$52 mil (courtesy of New Orleans). __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

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Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	__________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com Last edited by Arles : 07-01-2016 at 03:23 PM.

07-01-2016, 03:23 PM	#322
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Wasn't it known since last free agency period that contracts will go up like crazy this year and next year? Or am I imagining things?

07-01-2016, 03:27 PM	#323
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Oh yeah, I just don't think people thought Evan Turner would get $70 mil and Mosgov would get $64 mil. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

07-01-2016, 03:37 PM	#324
nol Banned Join Date: Oct 2003	I don't know why NBA teams haven't been more aggressive in looking to sign guys who washed out of the league and have gone on to do well in Europe. I'd pay Ekpe Udoh $8 million a year before paying Mozgov twice that and it couldn't have taken close to that much to give someone a second/third chance in the NBA.

07-01-2016, 05:46 PM	#330
nol Banned Join Date: Oct 2003	Dwight back to his hometown of Atlanta. 3 years, $70.5 million. Would be cool to see him to have a little revival, but it does seem to indicate that Horford is out the door for them.

07-01-2016, 06:09 PM	#331
wustin College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2014	Does that means Horford is really going to OKC? Jesus. If Durant resigns that's a scary starting 5.

07-01-2016, 07:12 PM	#337
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Howard getting that type of money is a slap in the face to anybody who works hard or gives two shits about what they do for a living. This guy is a no-talent hack who has shown no desire to try over and over again, yet here he is taking in $70M. Must be nice. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal Last edited by kingfc22 : 07-01-2016 at 07:12 PM.

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SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	The Celtics sound like they're going to strike out on Durant, "lost out" on Howard ((dodged a bullet there), and it's down to Horford to make a big splash. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

07-01-2016, 10:03 PM	#342
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Bazemore for 4 years, $70 million. That should end Horford's career in Atlanta.

07-01-2016, 11:02 PM	#343
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	They really should have given existing contracts a 5-15% raise with all the new money.

07-01-2016, 11:12 PM	#345
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Local coverage in ATL suddenly buzzing that Hawks are actively trying to trade Millsap for cap relief in order to resign Horford. This day just gets shittier & shittier. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

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Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	With the cap increasing, the valuation of what players are worth automatically increase. It's basically a closed market of 450 players sharing a ridiculous amount of money. So everyone's worth automaticlaly increases. $8-$10 million per year is now bench money, and you have to start from there. Superstars will be paid upwards of 30 million a year. __________________ Come and see.

07-02-2016, 12:50 AM	#347
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	So Noah signs for only 8 more million than Mozgov? And the Turner and Bazemore contracts are crazy. Hard to spin my head around the money being thrown around. Almost like NFL free agency with a bunch of mid level players getting cash thrown their way. Difference is the NFL contracts arent 100 percent guaranteed. NBA pay structure is out of whack. Max salaries need to be raised so the superstars can earn closer to what they are worth while these mid level players arent paid like stars. Last edited by jbergey22 : 07-02-2016 at 12:55 AM.

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miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	I am surprised how much I am not surprised by these contract numbers. I think I knew coming in that I would have no feel for what would be an appropriate dollar value for any player this year. This is the first year I really have spent more time looking at the salary floor than the cap. My only reaction is I really feel bad for the Dirks of the NBA. Yes, he has made tons of money and yes it is all about the timing of this and next year's free agent classes. But damn, all that BS praise about taking less money for the benefit of the team seem pretty hollow now when you see players that he(Dirk) might still be better than in 2016 making two or three times as much money as he will. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

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