2012 NFL Regular Season - Week 2 Thread: Can the Packers Rebound?

[Grover]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

I'm not sure. But if I'm Baltimore, am I willing to give Flacco $16-17 million a year based on his body of work? Yeah, he's impressive to a point. But would he have made the playoffs four years in a row in Arizona or Miami?

No way is Flacco worth that. I'd say $10-12m max. Win a Super Bowl, maybe tack on a couple mil.

[Crapshoot]

Its amazing how much Moss is still feared in the league - the DB's give him 5 yard cushions because they're terrified of him running past them or leaping over him.

[stevew]

I love Frank Gore's shorts.

I'm rooting for Moss.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Its amazing how much Moss is still feared in the league - the DB's give him 5 yard cushions because they're terrified of him running past them or leaping over him.

That's not for Moss. That's just how the Lions's DBs play.

[stevew]

I thought the wittle wions were supposed to be rough to run on.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Grover

No way is Flacco worth that. I'd say $10-12m max. Win a Super Bowl, maybe tack on a couple mil.

If he plays hardball they'll have to give him what he wants. That team is getting old and has a narrow window on defense. Starting over with a new QB would be a disaster. For them, Flacco is irreplaceable regardless of price.

[TroyF]

I have to say, win or lose, I'm impressed with the Lions game plan tonight. They aren't in panic mode. They are running the ball with a purpose. Even if it isn't pretty, they are working that game. If Stafford were playing even halfway well, this would be a tie game right now. Stafford has been horrible.

Yet, they are still in this thing. You cannot ask for more.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

That was the worst last second field goal I've ever seen.

Loved Kraft's reaction.

[stevew]

Flacco hits Lee Evans on the fucking numbers...he catches that and they are in the Super Bowl. What is he supposed to do?

Smith is the first reasonably talented big play WR Flacco has had.

[Logan]

Hey Stafford, dropping to the ground on your knees does not equal sliding.

[Lathum]

Is Schwartz challenging where his own qb was sacked?

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by stevew

I thought the wittle wions were supposed to be rough to run on.

You must have not watched last year. Gore had 141 yards on 15 carries against them.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by TroyF

If Stafford were playing even halfway well, this would be a tie game right now. Stafford has been horrible.

Indirect reaction to Johnson being on the Madden and SI covers. Megatron stays awesome, but QB throwing to him sucks it up and thus less Megatron.

[Crapshoot]

Wow, not sure how the 49ers got the first down there. Props to Crabtree.

[Lathum]

haha, love the Davis jump shot after the missed dunk last week

[Crapshoot]

Alex Smith is turning into a very good QB. His numbers don't include the 3 dropped catches.

[Lathum]

Given the way they run the ball, the defense, and the conditions the Niners look unbeatable at home.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by stevew

Flacco hits Lee Evans on the fucking numbers...he catches that and they are in the Super Bowl. What is he supposed to do?

Smith is the first reasonably talented big play WR Flacco has had.

I keep reading this and it is accurate. Kills me, but it is accurate.

That still wouldn't have put him elite in my book. I really liked what he was doing this year. It felt different to me. In the first half of the game today, he made some tough throws. Some very, very pretty throws. Then he collapsed in the second half. Winning QB's take some responsibility for that. Not Mr. Flacco. It's all about the refs. Sorry, that doesn't scream elite QB to me.

It looks a lot like Jay Cutler to me. (with the caveat that his teammates actually like him)

We'll see how he bounces back next week.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Given the way they run the ball, the defense, and the conditions the Niners look unbeatable at home.

Don't disagree, but I thought the Lions played them about as well as they could be played. you do that in the playoffs, you have a chance. A little better play out of Stafford, a stop on third down here or there and they have a chance in this game. The 49ers are a great team, but I wouldn't lose faith if I was a Lions fan. I think they can be had if they stick with this gameplan. The Niners are still the better team, but as we know the playoffs just means you have to be the better team for one Sunday. I think the Lions can compete with them in that situation.

[Buccaneer]

Don't defensive backs tackle with their arms anymore or is that not a hip thing to do nowadays?

[Matthean]

Odd to think Alex Smith is the 49er QB with the longest streak of not throwing an INT for the franchise.

[MizzouRah]

The Rams are for real.

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Given the way they run the ball, the defense, and the conditions the Niners look unbeatable at home.

Yep, they play like a well oiled machine. Very few off throws from Smith today, a couple of dropped passes that should've been caught, and a great running game. Clear #1 at this point.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Yeah, the 49ers are just a very good team. They do it all very well.

Hopefully, being a copycat league, a few more teams look to play some basic, solid football. It's a lot more fun to watch than the video games on turf that most teams seem to want to be.

I hate the 49ers, but really like what Harbaugh is doing with that team.

[RainMaker]

I do wonder if we'll see a shift the other way. When teams started throwing the ball all the time, defenses have tried to adjust by going smaller and faster on their end. You hear about linebackers dropping weight, teams going after smaller speed rushers. So will we see some teams go toward a power offense again? If all these defenses are getting smaller and faster, maybe the smart offenses get bigger and stronger to overpower them.

I do think we'll see things get back to normal when the real refs take over. While the replacements have been horrible, the one nice thing they do is not call every little piece of contact downfield that some teams rely on.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I do wonder if we'll see a shift the other way. When teams started throwing the ball all the time, defenses have tried to adjust by going smaller and faster on their end. You hear about linebackers dropping weight, teams going after smaller speed rushers. So will we see some teams go toward a power offense again? If all these defenses are getting smaller and faster, maybe the smart offenses get bigger and stronger to overpower them.

Or they'll do what New England is doing. Continue running their version of the spread offense with 2 tight ends that they can shift into the slot to match up against these DBs and smaller linebackers.

[Thomkal]

So who would have picked the NFC West going 4-0 this week given who they were playing? No one I think. Still can't believe my beloved Cards beat the Patriots.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Don't defensive backs tackle with their arms anymore or is that not a hip thing to do nowadays?

That doesn't get you on the highlight films.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

harbaugh inherited a really good team. idk the numbers but it seems like their entire offensive and defensive lines are young 1st and 2nd rounders


edit: not saying he's not a great coach

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Don't defensive backs tackle with their arms anymore or is that not a hip thing to do nowadays?

Niners DB's look like they know how to tackle.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

So who would have picked the NFC West going 4-0 this week given who they were playing? No one I think. Still can't believe my beloved Cards beat the Patriots.

Out of all four games, I think the only real big surprise was the Cards over the Patriots. Seattle is always tough at home, the Rams looked pretty good last week and RG3 is a still a rookie, and the 49ers are probably the best team in the NFL right now.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

That doesn't get you on the highlight films.

That also doesn't cause turnovers. Highlight grabbing isn't the only reason big hits happen.

[Passacaglia]

Anyone see the ref correct himself in the Jets-Steelers game? "First down, Pittsbu -- Central Michigan." The announcer called him out for pointing the wrong way to indicate the first down, but didn't call him out for saying Central Michigan. WTF?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Anyone see the ref correct himself in the Jets-Steelers game? "First down, Pittsbu -- Central Michigan." The announcer called him out for pointing the wrong way to indicate the first down, but didn't call him out for saying Central Michigan. WTF?

Was it at least Antonio Brown who got the first down? (That rhymes.)

[JediKooter]

Is it me or does Andrew Luck look like the Geico caveman guy?

[Passacaglia]

I haven't noticed that, but I did notice that Big Ben looks like Will Ferrell.

[bhlloy]

Speaking of 49ers DB's Goldson might be the most underrated player in the league. I knew he was decent and made a pro bowl but he's an integral part of that defense - great player

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

Is it me or does Andrew Luck look like the Geico caveman guy?

I thought that last year when he grew a beard. He could definitely pass as a caveman.

[Sun Tzu]

Great game by Smith, Crabtree, and Gore. Davis had some nice over the shoulder catches, but that long pass down the sideline should have been caught.

Manningham was a surprising contributor last night, too. I thought he looked quite spry, especially on that WR screen.

The 49ers did exactly what I thought they would do last night - Dominate. Up until the last garbage time drive by the Lions, the 49ers had out-gained Detroit in total yards 352 to 199. The 49ers are, in my mind, the best in the league at taking away whatever the offense is best at. Every team they play seems to be off-balance and struggling to make first downs.

I've watched every 49er game since I was 10 years old (start of the '92 season), and this is the most impressed I've been since the Super Bowl team of '94. We had a great squad in '98, but Young was starting to show some age, and I think our linebackers now are better than Norton/Plummer/Woodall.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

holy shit. carriker and orakpo out for the season

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

holy shit. carriker and orakpo out for the season

Woah.

Maybe it's karma for Orakpo for how he treats that poor Geico caveman guy.

[Julio Riddols]

Cinci's defense better wake up quick. Getting Moch and Dunlap back will be a step in the right direction, But it's getting close to time to give Allen and Kirkpatrick a good deal of snaps in the secondary. The linebackers, well I don't know what to do with them. Losing Howard hurts quite a bit and Maualuga misses as many plays as he makes. Hopefully Burfict will continue to show up and improve as the season wears on so we can let Rey walk in the offseason.

[stevew]

With the Skins already being all in, they should make a trade to try to fix one of those issues.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by stevew

With the Skins already being all in, they should make a trade to try to fix one of those issues.

Who could you trade for that could learn the system quickly and make an immediate impact?

[cougarfreak]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Cinci's defense better wake up quick. Getting Moch and Dunlap back will be a step in the right direction, But it's getting close to time to give Allen and Kirkpatrick a good deal of snaps in the secondary. The linebackers, well I don't know what to do with them. Losing Howard hurts quite a bit and Maualuga misses as many plays as he makes. Hopefully Burfict will continue to show up and improve as the season wears on so we can let Rey walk in the offseason.

I've seen Rey miss a bunch. And he doesn't make too many. He's terrible as a MLB.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Jon

This explanation makes perfect sense to me.

In response to another comment, I saw the play and I wouldn't say they launched themselves at him. It wasn't a bunch of dirty hits at all.

I finally saw the play in question here and I don't see what the big deal is. First, the victory formation pulls everyone in to block to prevent things like this from happening. Second, it was very obvious pre-snap that Tampa was going to go after the ball. The Giants players were caught offguard and Eli was knocked to the ground because of it.

If Tampa makes it clear they intend to play to the final whistle then the Giants can't take the final play off and then get mad because their QB got hit.

[Racer]

Originally Posted by Simbo Klice

The Titans are going to be 1-15 this year if they're lucky. A group of obese homeless midgets being thrown to by Jamarcus Russell would shred their secondary.

It's still early. They have 6 games against very iffy teams: 2 against the Jags, 2 against the Colts, 1 against the Vikings, and 1 against the Dolphins.

[BillJasper]

I don't understand ESPN. They have a half an hour of SportsCenter, followed by two hours of Monday Night Countdown but spend practically the entire SportsCenter talking about the NFL.

[SirFozzie]

Wonder if that's game, set and match in Goodell vs Vilma.. apparently today at the follow up meeting, the NFL handed Vila a sworn statement from coach Gregg Williams that Vilma had offered $10,000 to anyone who put Favre out of the game.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Wonder if that's game, set and match in Goodell vs Vilma.. apparently today at the follow up meeting, the NFL handed Vila a sworn statement from coach Gregg Williams that Vilma had offered $10,000 to anyone who put Favre out of the game.

guess that is part of the undiscolsed evidence.