2008-09 College Bowls/Postseason thread - Page 7

Ajaxab · 01-02-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JW

I didn't say that, did I. I just object to the fellation of USC by ESPN, ABC, Brent Musburger in particular, and AP sportswriters. USC should get in a stronger conference. They should be in a conference that has a conference playoff game. The conference playoff game has become a defacto elimination tournament for the national championship game. If USC wants to be satisfied going to the Rose Bowl every year and playing slow Big Ten teams, so be it. But the media that supports the Rose Bowl should not pretend it is more than it is and that USC is more than it is.

There are millions of good reasons for the fellation. As long as the NFL stays out of Los Angeles, USC is the de facto football team for the LA area (sorry Bruins fans, it's just the present reality). To fail to prop up SC is to lose a lot of eyeballs and a lot of potential revenue that goes along with massive audiences.

I don't know enough about the history of the Raiders and Rams as it correlates with the history of SC, but is it fair to say that when the Raiders left for Oakland and the Rams left for St.Louis that USC re-emerged as a dominant team? I would be curious to know if there is some connection with LA media attention that must have, by default, suddenly turned to SC after professional football left and the Trojans' recruiting success. Obviously, there are many more factors than this one for USC's dominance, but I wonder how much of a role the LA media market and its influence on the national media market has played in how USC has been perceived.

Galaxy · 01-02-2009, 01:11 PM

Should be a good Cotton Bowl. It won't be the same next year when the game moves.

Young Drachma · 01-02-2009, 01:35 PM

What conference does he want USC to move to? Silly impractical talk and why the whole BCS system is a joke.

JW · 01-02-2009, 02:04 PM

One that isn't weak. Of course they can't change conferences, but the fact remains, their conference holds them back. It is weak, but year in and year out they always seem to lose a game they should win. Tough for them.

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

What conference does he want USC to move to? Silly impractical talk and why the whole BCS system is a joke.

JW · 01-02-2009, 02:04 PM

Cotton Bowl. It is nice to listen to some professional announcers just call the game without constantly making their other agenda known.

sterlingice · 01-02-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

What conference does he want USC to move to? Silly impractical talk and why the whole BCS system is a joke.

I'm sure the Mountain West or WAC would be a better alternative

SI

sterlingice · 01-02-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

Should be a good Cotton Bowl. It won't be the same next year when the game moves.

I dunno- seems like a mismatch to me on paper.

SI

Mizzou B-ball fan · 01-02-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I dunno- seems like a mismatch to me on paper.

SI

Seems like a repeat of Mizzou/Arkansas from last year to me. I'd be surprised if Mississippi managed to stay within 10 by the end of the game.

sterlingice · 01-02-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Seems like a repeat of Mizzou/Arkansas from last year to me. I'd be surprised if Mississippi managed to stay within 10 by the end of the game.

Yeah, that's a pretty good analogy. Tho, Harrell is having a pretty bad game so far

SI

Logan · 01-02-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JW

Cotton Bowl. It is nice to listen to some professional announcers just call the game without constantly making their other agenda known.

You really are whacked out. Give me an announcer with an agenda who can accurately call the action, you can have Summerall and his constant mistakes.

dawgfan · 01-02-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JW

The crystal footballs don't lie.

Does anyone think that if the positions of USC and LSU were reversed that JW would still be making the argument in favor of the "crystal footballs"?

Me neither.

And if the "crystal footballs don't lie", then tell me why I can't find any listings of official NCAA football champions for FBS (Division 1-A)? Oh, that's right - because it doesn't exist.

dawgfan · 01-02-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JW

One that isn't weak. Of course they can't change conferences, but the fact remains, their conference holds them back. It is weak, but year in and year out they always seem to lose a game they should win. Tough for them.

Funny how that "weak" conference is 10-7 vs. the SEC since 2000...

Galaxy · 01-02-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JW

One that isn't weak. Of course they can't change conferences, but the fact remains, their conference holds them back. It is weak, but year in and year out they always seem to lose a game they should win. Tough for them.

Doesn't this happen every season? Isn't that why they are called upsets?

sterlingice · 01-02-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I dunno- seems like a mismatch to me on paper.

SI

If the first half is any indication, looks like I was wrong

SI

ISiddiqui · 01-02-2009, 03:18 PM

Ole Miss is a better team than most people think.

JW · 01-02-2009, 03:45 PM

Except USC makes it a habit. It is all about the crystal.

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

Doesn't this happen every season? Isn't that why they are called upsets?

JW · 01-02-2009, 03:46 PM

Add up the crystal footballs.

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

Funny how that "weak" conference is 10-7 vs. the SEC since 2000...

dawgfan · 01-02-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JW

I am a blind homer

Whatever dude.

Galaxy · 01-02-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JW

Except USC makes it a habit. It is all about the crystal.

So this makes the Pac-10 a "Weak" conference?

MJ4H · 01-02-2009, 04:31 PM

Kentucky falls behind 3-0 to ECU, but looks pretty solid moving the ball (lol circus fumble scrum as I type this).

ISiddiqui · 01-02-2009, 04:34 PM

Holy shit! Ole Miss converting a 3rd and 16... Tech's defense looks completely done and now they are close to the goal line, leading 40-28.

miami_fan · 01-02-2009, 04:35 PM

Color me very impressed by Ole Miss today.

st.cronin · 01-02-2009, 04:35 PM

LSU is certainly of comparable stature to USC in terms of national prominence. But I was simply pointing out that this recent USC run is unbelievably impressive.

3 consecutive Rose Bowl wins
9 losses in 7 years (compared to 20 for LSU in that span)
7 consecutive 1st place finishes in the Pac 10

College football is mostly about conference play, so that last line is, to me, the most impressive accomplishment of the Carroll era.

Noop · 01-02-2009, 04:40 PM

Houston Nutt is one hell of a coach.

MJ4H · 01-02-2009, 04:41 PM

I'm afraid Kentucky is going to drop the ball. 10-0 ECU now.

st.cronin · 01-02-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Houston Nutt is one hell of a coach.

lol, yep

MJ4H · 01-02-2009, 04:53 PM

Kentucky adds a field goal and it's 10-3 ECU now, 2nd quarter.

MJ4H · 01-02-2009, 04:56 PM

Ugh Kentucky looks awful. One play 80 yard or so drive I think?? 17-3 ECU (assuming PAT).

edit: lol PAT blocked, 16-3. Posting prior to PAT is a good way to assure blockage.

rjolley · 01-02-2009, 04:58 PM

I am very surprised Mississippi handled Tech like that. I expected a shootout, but the score to be reversed.

Also, while USC is impressive, they signed up for the BCS just like everyone else. They didn't make the championship game and shouldn't be considered co-champions. Maybe there will be a new system in place, but no system will totally satisfy everyone every year. If you want to be ok with co-champions, they should do away with the BCS and go back to the old bowl system and have voters determine the 1, 2, or 3 champions per year.

ISiddiqui · 01-02-2009, 05:04 PM

47-34 the game ends, with a garbage time TD by Tech to even make it that close. Ole Miss was masterful. They had 515 yards of offense.

I'm thinking that Texas Tech (and the Big XII outside of Texas and Oklahoma) was a bit overrated this year.

miami_fan · 01-02-2009, 05:09 PM

It is probably a good idea to stop trying to rate conferences at this point.

MJ4H · 01-02-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

It is probably a good idea to stop trying to rate conferences at this point.

My thinking is almost the exact opposite. It's getting close to when you finally can start ranking them.

Karlifornia · 01-02-2009, 05:21 PM

Which program do you think is in better shape at this point in time?

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Originally Posted by JW

CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS

Since 2002, USC is 70-7, whereas LSU is 64-15. What do you have to say about that?

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Originally Posted by JW

Well, if I had to give an objective opinion, I'd say that both programs have been great, with a slight edge to USC....wait..wait...on second thought:

CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS

So, then, during the 90's, the Giants had a better run than the Buffalo Bills, seeing as how they won a Super Bowl, where as the Bills made it four times but lost each time?

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Originally Posted by JW

CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS

Dude, the NFL doesn't even give out Crystal footballs, they give out the Lombardi Trophy. It's silver.

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Originally Posted by JW

Then LSU is better than any NFL team ever, because they have more CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS CRYSTAL FOOTBALLS

MizzouRah · 01-02-2009, 05:22 PM

Wow.. Ole Miss came ready to play today..

Cuckoo · 01-02-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I'm thinking that Texas Tech (and the Big XII outside of Texas and Oklahoma) was a bit overrated this year.

Always tough to do this kind of thing (I recall thinking the fact that Texas Tech beat Cal badly in 2004 meant that OU was better than USC), but as an OU fan, it has me taking pause. More than anything, I'm just ready for the game. Annoying that we have to wait this long.

MJ4H · 01-02-2009, 06:07 PM

TD Kentucky. Returned opening kickoff of the second half and capitalize on a short field just now. 16-16.

MJ4H · 01-02-2009, 06:27 PM

ECU with a long field goal and a 19-16 lead, 4th qtr coming.

MJ4H · 01-02-2009, 06:34 PM

Kentucky answers on their next drive, 19-19.

MJ4H · 01-02-2009, 07:08 PM

Kentucky returns a fumble for a TD. Review coming up. Looks close.

edit overturned.

miami_fan · 01-02-2009, 07:12 PM

They need to get rid of the "indisputable/conclusive evidence" part of the replay rule. I think he was down but I don't think it was indisputable or conclusive either way

miami_fan · 01-02-2009, 07:13 PM

MJ4H · 01-02-2009, 07:13 PM

WOW AGAIN THAT WAS AN AWESOME STIFF-ARM

miami_fan · 01-02-2009, 07:15 PM

This is unbelievable

MJ4H · 01-02-2009, 07:33 PM

Kentucky wins. In other news, Alabama looking good in post-season (7-0 Utah and then an interception gives Utah the ball in Bama territory).

MJ4H · 01-02-2009, 07:36 PM

Touchdown Utah up 13-0, PAT pending.

Racer · 01-02-2009, 07:40 PM

Any chance Utah gets a share of the national championship if they end up winning this game in a convincing manner?

MJ4H · 01-02-2009, 07:42 PM

No. And that's what's wrong with the system. It doesn't make a bit of difference what Utah does.

Jas_lov · 01-02-2009, 07:43 PM

No chance. They'd give it to USC or Texas over Utah. Anyway, the winner of the national championship game will be the sole national champion.

st.cronin · 01-02-2009, 07:43 PM

If Utah wins this game I will consider them National Champions.

MJ4H · 01-02-2009, 07:49 PM

If Utah wins this game I will consider Arkansas National Champions.

01-02-2009, 01:35 PM	#303
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ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Ole Miss is a better team than most people think. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

01-02-2009, 04:31 PM	#320
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Kentucky falls behind 3-0 to ECU, but looks pretty solid moving the ball (lol circus fumble scrum as I type this). __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

01-02-2009, 04:34 PM	#321
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Holy shit! Ole Miss converting a 3rd and 16... Tech's defense looks completely done and now they are close to the goal line, leading 40-28. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

01-02-2009, 04:35 PM	#322
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Color me very impressed by Ole Miss today. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

01-02-2009, 01:11 PM	#302
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Should be a good Cotton Bowl. It won't be the same next year when the game moves.

01-02-2009, 02:04 PM	#305
JW College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Monroe, LA, USA	Cotton Bowl. It is nice to listen to some professional announcers just call the game without constantly making their other agenda known.

01-02-2009, 04:35 PM	#323
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	LSU is certainly of comparable stature to USC in terms of national prominence. But I was simply pointing out that this recent USC run is unbelievably impressive. 3 consecutive Rose Bowl wins 9 losses in 7 years (compared to 20 for LSU in that span) 7 consecutive 1st place finishes in the Pac 10 College football is mostly about conference play, so that last line is, to me, the most impressive accomplishment of the Carroll era. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

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Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	Houston Nutt is one hell of a coach. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

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MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	I'm afraid Kentucky is going to drop the ball. 10-0 ECU now. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

01-02-2009, 04:53 PM	#327
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Kentucky adds a field goal and it's 10-3 ECU now, 2nd quarter. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

01-02-2009, 04:56 PM	#328
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Ugh Kentucky looks awful. One play 80 yard or so drive I think?? 17-3 ECU (assuming PAT). edit: lol PAT blocked, 16-3. Posting prior to PAT is a good way to assure blockage. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona Last edited by MJ4H : 01-02-2009 at 04:57 PM.

01-02-2009, 04:58 PM	#329
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	I am very surprised Mississippi handled Tech like that. I expected a shootout, but the score to be reversed. Also, while USC is impressive, they signed up for the BCS just like everyone else. They didn't make the championship game and shouldn't be considered co-champions. Maybe there will be a new system in place, but no system will totally satisfy everyone every year. If you want to be ok with co-champions, they should do away with the BCS and go back to the old bowl system and have voters determine the 1, 2, or 3 champions per year.

01-02-2009, 05:04 PM	#330
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	47-34 the game ends, with a garbage time TD by Tech to even make it that close. Ole Miss was masterful. They had 515 yards of offense. I'm thinking that Texas Tech (and the Big XII outside of Texas and Oklahoma) was a bit overrated this year. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

01-02-2009, 05:09 PM	#331
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	It is probably a good idea to stop trying to rate conferences at this point. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

01-02-2009, 05:22 PM	#334
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Wow.. Ole Miss came ready to play today..

01-02-2009, 06:07 PM	#336
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	TD Kentucky. Returned opening kickoff of the second half and capitalize on a short field just now. 16-16. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

01-02-2009, 06:27 PM	#337
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	ECU with a long field goal and a 19-16 lead, 4th qtr coming. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

01-02-2009, 06:34 PM	#338
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Kentucky answers on their next drive, 19-19. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

01-02-2009, 07:08 PM	#339
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Kentucky returns a fumble for a TD. Review coming up. Looks close. edit overturned. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona Last edited by MJ4H : 01-02-2009 at 07:11 PM.

01-02-2009, 07:12 PM	#340
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01-02-2009, 07:13 PM	#341
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Wow __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

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MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	WOW AGAIN THAT WAS AN AWESOME STIFF-ARM __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

01-02-2009, 07:15 PM	#343
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	This is unbelievable __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

01-02-2009, 07:33 PM	#344
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Kentucky wins. In other news, Alabama looking good in post-season (7-0 Utah and then an interception gives Utah the ball in Bama territory). __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona Last edited by MJ4H : 01-02-2009 at 07:34 PM.

01-02-2009, 07:36 PM	#345
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Touchdown Utah up 13-0, PAT pending. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

01-02-2009, 07:40 PM	#346
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Any chance Utah gets a share of the national championship if they end up winning this game in a convincing manner?

01-02-2009, 07:42 PM	#347
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	No. And that's what's wrong with the system. It doesn't make a bit of difference what Utah does. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona Last edited by MJ4H : 01-02-2009 at 07:42 PM.

01-02-2009, 07:43 PM	#348
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	No chance. They'd give it to USC or Texas over Utah. Anyway, the winner of the national championship game will be the sole national champion.

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st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	If Utah wins this game I will consider them National Champions. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

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