NFL Week 16 - Page 7

Alan T · 12-22-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

I am now a huge Week 17 Philly fan!

I'd much rather Arizona get Tampa or Atlanta than Dallas in the first round of the playoffs. I doubt Tampa's going to lay an egg against Oakland, so that leaves the Eagles out too.

How do the nfl playoff seedings work from round to round? I don't remember if they reseed each round, or you have a traditional bracket.

I assume it is:

#1 Giants (bye) vs winner of (#4 vs #5)
#2 Carolina/Atlanta (bye) vs winner of (#3 vs #6)

Can Arizona get as high as the #3 seed? If Minnesota wins, they are the #3 and Arizona is the #4. If Minnesota loses, Chicago wins and Arizona loses, then Chicago is #3 and Arizona is #4. If Minnesota loses, Chicago wins and Arizona wins, I don't know who wins the Chicago-Arizona tiebreaker since they did not play head to head and would have the same conference record.

SirFozzie · 12-22-2008, 12:23 PM

The highest ranked team plays the lowest ranked team. so if the #6 team wins the 3/6 matchup, no matter what, they will play the top seed in the Divisional Round

EagleFan · 12-22-2008, 01:17 PM

Dear Andy Reid,

Eagles rush 30+ times: 5-0 (2008), 2-0 (2007), 4-2 (2006)

Three year record: 11-2

Eagles rush fewer than 30 times: 3-6-1 (2008), 6-8 (2007), 6-4 (2006)

Three year record 15-18-1

Anything stand out to you?

MIJB#19 · 12-22-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Can Arizona get as high as the #3 seed? If Minnesota wins, they are the #3 and Arizona is the #4. If Minnesota loses, Chicago wins and Arizona loses, then Chicago is #3 and Arizona is #4. If Minnesota loses, Chicago wins and Arizona wins, I don't know who wins the Chicago-Arizona tiebreaker since they did not play head to head and would have the same conference record.

You can ignore the Chicago-Arizona tie-breaker issues, because they can't end up in a tie-breaker situation. Arizona already won their division and will be 9-7 at best. At the same time, Chicago has to be better than 9-7 to have a shot at winning their division, as Minnesota will be at least 9-7 and secured tie-breakers over Chicago.

sabotai · 12-22-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

How do the nfl playoff seedings work from round to round? I don't remember if they reseed each round, or you have a traditional bracket.

I assume it is:

#1 Giants (bye) vs winner of (#4 vs #5)
#2 Carolina/Atlanta (bye) vs winner of (#3 vs #6)

They reseed after each round. So it would be:

#1 Giants (bye) vs. winner of #4 vs. #5
#2 Carolina/Atlanta (bye) vs. #3 if they win.

OR

#1 Giants (bye) vs. #6 if they win
#2 Carolina/Atlanta vs. winner of #4 vs. #5

miami_fan · 12-22-2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Dear Andy Reid,

Eagles rush 30+ times: 5-0 (2008), 2-0 (2007), 4-2 (2006)

Three year record: 11-2

Eagles rush fewer than 30 times: 3-6-1 (2008), 6-8 (2007), 6-4 (2006)

Three year record 15-18-1

Anything stand out to you?

How many screens and one yard passes were thrown? You know those are an extension of the running game

EagleFan · 12-22-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

How many screens and one yard passes were thrown? You know those are an extension of the running game

Are you trying to make my head explode?

Logan · 12-22-2008, 08:10 PM

I guess I just don't understand the rules for a kicking team downing a punt before it goes into the end zone.

Jas_lov · 12-22-2008, 08:23 PM

I don't understand why the Bears punted it 20 yards. Just go for it.

Jas_lov · 12-22-2008, 08:30 PM

Great call, McCarthy. They never knew what hit them.

Jas_lov · 12-22-2008, 08:36 PM

The Packers are just a better team than the Bears. Now that the running game has picked up, this is looking just like their first meeting.

Jas_lov · 12-22-2008, 08:56 PM

This is complete domination. The Packers are really clicking. They even ran an effective screen! The Bears look terrible in all phases of the game.

Jas_lov · 12-22-2008, 09:24 PM

Thank you, special teams. Good thing the Bears can't move the ball.

Cringer · 12-22-2008, 09:31 PM

Keep on talking Jas, I am sure it will end well.

Jas_lov · 12-22-2008, 09:32 PM

This is why the Packers are 5-9. Atrocious special teams and soon the defense will fall apart and allow the Bears to go up by 3 with little time left. The game should not be this close.

Jas_lov · 12-22-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

Keep on talking Jas, I am sure it will end well.

Finally someone else shows up. I thought I was the only one watching. This game will not end well, it will end just like the other 6 close losses. Story of the Packers season.

Jas_lov · 12-22-2008, 09:54 PM

Thank you, Kyle Orton. Makes up for more terrible special teams.

Jas_lov · 12-22-2008, 10:31 PM

Yep, outgain them 3 to 1 and still give up the lead late. Happens every single game. It's up to Aaron Rodgers now.

Jas_lov · 12-22-2008, 10:34 PM

Special teams helps the Packers! Win this, Rodgers. Knock these bastards out of the playoffs. This game shouldn't even be close.

Jas_lov · 12-22-2008, 10:44 PM

My god. How can your special teams be so atrocious? Rodgers did it. Special teams is an epic failure. McCarthy better fire the ST and DC after this year. Just terrible. Packers were destined to lose this by 3.

Jas_lov · 12-22-2008, 10:47 PM

If Brett Favre were the Packers QB, Crosby would have made that kick and the Packers would have won that coin toss. Isn't that interference? What a joke.

bhlloy · 12-22-2008, 10:54 PM

You do realize that talking to yourself is a sign of insanity, right?

Seriously, Crosby has choked this game away. Two line drive kicks right into the line - I don't know how the first one got through. Absolutely no excuse for not getting the ball up on a relatively short kick like the last one, no matter how cold it is.

Jas_lov · 12-22-2008, 10:56 PM

This is sickening. I think Vikings fans just jumped off a bridge. McCarthy better fire the ST coach along with DC Bob Sanders after the year. This is why the Packers are 5-10, it's not the offense at all.

Mustang · 12-22-2008, 11:03 PM

As a Packer fan, I feel like I'm in my own Groundhog Day that only happens on Sundays.

My wife turned to me at the beginning of the 4th quarter and said 'Should be interesting to see how they lose this one...'

Jas_lov · 12-22-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

You do realize that talking to yourself is a sign of insanity, right?

I mean, seriously. 2 blocked FGs, terrible kickoff coverage, 1 punt return hits a Packer and the Bears get a short field for a TD. Then the coin toss hits Urlacher in the head and Ron Winter does nothing about it, McCarthy doesn't challenge the spot of the ball on the 4th down run by Forte, and the refs miss an obvious PI on Driver on the 4 yard line. How many things can go wrong in 1 game?

Arles · 12-22-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

You do realize that talking to yourself is a sign of insanity, right?

Seriously, Crosby has choked this game away. Two line drive kicks right into the line - I don't know how the first one got through. Absolutely no excuse for not getting the ball up on a relatively short kick like the last one, no matter how cold it is.

Allowing 5 Bears players to get 4 yards past the LOS didn't help either. It is what it is with this Packers team. They will lose to the Titans or Giants 27-24 and lose to the Lions or Bengals 27-24. The opponent is completely independent of the result at this point.

Cringer · 12-22-2008, 11:27 PM

Golf clap for the Packers. I am off to enjoy another round of comment reading on the Press-Gazette website. It really is entertaining.

Oh, and Rodgers wasn't so hot on the final drive BTW. He had a great catch made by Jones and that was it. The play calling didn't exactly let him try to shine though.

RainMaker · 12-23-2008, 01:33 AM

Wow, that Bears game had me go through so many emotions it's sick. I feel like I've been violated after watching them play. I honestly feel bad if we make the playoffs. The team is just not good and has no business being in this position.

RainMaker · 12-23-2008, 01:35 AM

And when are the Packers going to invest in their special teams. It costs them a couple games each year (including this one). Heck, it probably cost them a trip to the Super Bowl last year. I'm astonished at how many teams in this league treat special teams so nonchalantely.

Coffee Warlord · 12-23-2008, 08:43 AM

A lovely battle of two miserable teams. One with a record appropriate to their misery, one who has absolutely no business being in the playoffs, if they manage it.

remper · 12-23-2008, 10:32 AM

After watching the first few weeks of the season I really thought that Orton was ready to establish himself as THE QB for Chicago. Chicago hasn't had THE QB for a long long time. But since since coming back from his injury he's been pretty pathetic at times. ...and the beat goes on for Bears QBs.

I haven't looked at the box score, but it seemed to me that Urlacher was nowhere to be found much of the game. But he's pretty much the face of the franchise at this point. Definitely not worth resigning him to a long term deal imo. Briggs on the other hand is a beast.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-23-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by remper

I haven't looked at the box score, but it seemed to me that Urlacher was nowhere to be found much of the game.

You made me curious. Urlacher is credited with 3 tackles, two solo.

flere-imsaho · 12-23-2008, 11:02 AM

Well, I only watched the first half until sleep-deprivation kicked in and I went to bed, but Urlacher looked fine then. Briggs was getting a lot of work, but that was primarily because Green Bay was going away from Urlacher, and it was working well for them.

Also, as with last time, Green Bay was having no problem passing into the holes left in Chicago's zone.

Color me very surprised that Chicago won that one.

RedKingGold · 12-23-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

A lovely battle of two miserable teams. One with a record appropriate to their misery, one who has absolutely no business being in the playoffs, if they manage it.

But, Eagles and Cowboys is next weekend.

Cringer · 12-23-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

And when are the Packers going to invest in their special teams. It costs them a couple games each year (including this one). Heck, it probably cost them a trip to the Super Bowl last year. I'm astonished at how many teams in this league treat special teams so nonchalantely.

Well, they have tried. Bush (the guy who had the punt bounce off of him to set up Chicago's first TD) needs to go, he always seems to suck. The K Crosby is good, just blew last night. The P has been a problem all year and it started with cutting John Ryan, a horrible move, and then sticking with Frost for 11 weeks, an even worse move. The offensive line effects both ST and the offense, and that was the problem on the blocked kick last night.

They have tried, but GM Thompson hasn't made good decisions there for the most part. I know LB cuts at the end of camp came down to which LB helped on ST the most.

So, as you can see, it is not like they are taking it lightly, they just make some crappy moves.

Arles · 12-24-2008, 11:00 AM

At some point in time, GB needs to start bringing in quality veterans to backup/start on the OL and to play special teams. TT's main weakness is that he thinks rookies/draft picks can basically fill all depth voids. So, we go with 5-7 round picks and undrafteds for our special teams. He has the same opinion on backup OL, which currently consist of household names Breno Giacomini, Josh Sitton, Orrin Thompson and Allen Barbre (combined for 7 total games played prior to this season). It got so bad we had to move a backup guard (Moll) to starting right tackle because our tackle backups were so terrible. The end result of all this is a ton of mental errors, leading the league in penalties and having no consistency at these spots.

Compare that to teams like the Giants (have 2 former starters backing up their OL) and Carolina (3 former starters backup up). Right now, if a starting GB OL gets hurt (or craps the bed), the team has no one to turn to off the bench to push them or give depth. But, hey, GB was able to be something like $20 million under the cap by skimping on special teams and OL backups. That has to count for something, right

12-22-2008, 12:23 PM	#302
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12-22-2008, 09:31 PM	#314
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	Keep on talking Jas, I am sure it will end well. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

12-22-2008, 10:54 PM	#322
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	You do realize that talking to yourself is a sign of insanity, right? Seriously, Crosby has choked this game away. Two line drive kicks right into the line - I don't know how the first one got through. Absolutely no excuse for not getting the ball up on a relatively short kick like the last one, no matter how cold it is. Last edited by bhlloy : 12-22-2008 at 10:55 PM.

12-22-2008, 11:03 PM	#324
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	As a Packer fan, I feel like I'm in my own Groundhog Day that only happens on Sundays. My wife turned to me at the beginning of the 4th quarter and said 'Should be interesting to see how they lose this one...' __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

12-22-2008, 11:27 PM	#327
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	Golf clap for the Packers. I am off to enjoy another round of comment reading on the Press-Gazette website. It really is entertaining. Oh, and Rodgers wasn't so hot on the final drive BTW. He had a great catch made by Jones and that was it. The play calling didn't exactly let him try to shine though. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

12-22-2008, 01:17 PM	#303
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Dear Andy Reid, Eagles rush 30+ times: 5-0 (2008), 2-0 (2007), 4-2 (2006) Three year record: 11-2 Eagles rush fewer than 30 times: 3-6-1 (2008), 6-8 (2007), 6-4 (2006) Three year record 15-18-1 Anything stand out to you?

12-22-2008, 08:10 PM	#308
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I guess I just don't understand the rules for a kicking team downing a punt before it goes into the end zone.

12-22-2008, 08:23 PM	#309
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	I don't understand why the Bears punted it 20 yards. Just go for it.

12-22-2008, 08:30 PM	#310
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Great call, McCarthy. They never knew what hit them.

12-22-2008, 08:36 PM	#311
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	The Packers are just a better team than the Bears. Now that the running game has picked up, this is looking just like their first meeting.

12-22-2008, 08:56 PM	#312
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	This is complete domination. The Packers are really clicking. They even ran an effective screen! The Bears look terrible in all phases of the game.

12-22-2008, 09:24 PM	#313
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Thank you, special teams. Good thing the Bears can't move the ball.

12-22-2008, 09:32 PM	#315
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	This is why the Packers are 5-9. Atrocious special teams and soon the defense will fall apart and allow the Bears to go up by 3 with little time left. The game should not be this close.

12-22-2008, 09:54 PM	#317
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Thank you, Kyle Orton. Makes up for more terrible special teams.

12-22-2008, 10:31 PM	#318
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Yep, outgain them 3 to 1 and still give up the lead late. Happens every single game. It's up to Aaron Rodgers now.

12-22-2008, 10:34 PM	#319
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Special teams helps the Packers! Win this, Rodgers. Knock these bastards out of the playoffs. This game shouldn't even be close.

12-22-2008, 10:44 PM	#320
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	My god. How can your special teams be so atrocious? Rodgers did it. Special teams is an epic failure. McCarthy better fire the ST and DC after this year. Just terrible. Packers were destined to lose this by 3.

12-22-2008, 10:47 PM	#321
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	If Brett Favre were the Packers QB, Crosby would have made that kick and the Packers would have won that coin toss. Isn't that interference? What a joke.

12-22-2008, 10:56 PM	#323
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	This is sickening. I think Vikings fans just jumped off a bridge. McCarthy better fire the ST coach along with DC Bob Sanders after the year. This is why the Packers are 5-10, it's not the offense at all.

12-23-2008, 01:33 AM	#328
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Wow, that Bears game had me go through so many emotions it's sick. I feel like I've been violated after watching them play. I honestly feel bad if we make the playoffs. The team is just not good and has no business being in this position.

12-23-2008, 01:35 AM	#329
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	And when are the Packers going to invest in their special teams. It costs them a couple games each year (including this one). Heck, it probably cost them a trip to the Super Bowl last year. I'm astonished at how many teams in this league treat special teams so nonchalantely.

12-23-2008, 08:43 AM	#330
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	A lovely battle of two miserable teams. One with a record appropriate to their misery, one who has absolutely no business being in the playoffs, if they manage it.

12-23-2008, 10:32 AM	#331
remper Mascot Join Date: Jan 2008	After watching the first few weeks of the season I really thought that Orton was ready to establish himself as THE QB for Chicago. Chicago hasn't had THE QB for a long long time. But since since coming back from his injury he's been pretty pathetic at times. ...and the beat goes on for Bears QBs. I haven't looked at the box score, but it seemed to me that Urlacher was nowhere to be found much of the game. But he's pretty much the face of the franchise at this point. Definitely not worth resigning him to a long term deal imo. Briggs on the other hand is a beast.

12-23-2008, 11:02 AM	#333
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Well, I only watched the first half until sleep-deprivation kicked in and I went to bed, but Urlacher looked fine then. Briggs was getting a lot of work, but that was primarily because Green Bay was going away from Urlacher, and it was working well for them. Also, as with last time, Green Bay was having no problem passing into the holes left in Chicago's zone. Color me very surprised that Chicago won that one.

12-24-2008, 11:00 AM	#336
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	At some point in time, GB needs to start bringing in quality veterans to backup/start on the OL and to play special teams. TT's main weakness is that he thinks rookies/draft picks can basically fill all depth voids. So, we go with 5-7 round picks and undrafteds for our special teams. He has the same opinion on backup OL, which currently consist of household names Breno Giacomini, Josh Sitton, Orrin Thompson and Allen Barbre (combined for 7 total games played prior to this season). It got so bad we had to move a backup guard (Moll) to starting right tackle because our tackle backups were so terrible. The end result of all this is a ton of mental errors, leading the league in penalties and having no consistency at these spots. Compare that to teams like the Giants (have 2 former starters backing up their OL) and Carolina (3 former starters backup up). Right now, if a starting GB OL gets hurt (or craps the bed), the team has no one to turn to off the bench to push them or give depth. But, hey, GB was able to be something like $20 million under the cap by skimping on special teams and OL backups. That has to count for something, right __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com Last edited by Arles : 12-24-2008 at 11:01 AM.

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