NFL Week 5 - Page 7

Swaggs · 10-10-2005, 10:07 PM

What a crock of shit.

stevew · 10-10-2005, 10:07 PM

These refs suck....screwing both sides over nicely.

GrantDawg · 10-10-2005, 10:07 PM

What? If he drops it, he still has a right to allow him to try to catch it? Some screwed up stuff there.

ISiddiqui · 10-10-2005, 10:08 PM

What an utterly idiotic rule (fair catch rule). Madden was spot on there. Just a dumb rule.

Swaggs · 10-10-2005, 10:08 PM

It wasn't even like he was bobbling it. It was in the air over his head.

sabotai · 10-10-2005, 10:10 PM

Yeah, dumb rule. According to the rule, it probably has to hit the ground for it to be a muff. But yeah, dumb rule.

On another note, this is one of the worst games I've seen in quite awhile.

hukarez · 10-10-2005, 10:31 PM

My buddy's at the stadium right now, hoping to get some airtime with a glittery sign he made: "Cowher needs more Cow Bell". Of course, I don't envy the traffic he's going to hit trying to get home from the game. Ugh.

RendeR · 10-10-2005, 10:47 PM

The return man has to be allowed an unmolested chance to catch the ball, this includes the time it takes him to get the ball under control if he bobbles it at first, the player hit him during that time and by rule, that is a penalty. I don't think its dumb at all, get your body under control, set up in front of the guy and wack him AFTER he catches the ball, not during the attempt.

I stand by my stance: Madden is a fucking moron. They shoulda retired his decrepit ass years ago.

RendeR · 10-10-2005, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hukarez

My buddy's at the stadium right now, hoping to get some airtime with a glittery sign he made: "Cowher needs more Cow Bell". Of course, I don't envy the traffic he's going to hit trying to get home from the game. Ugh.

I won't argue with that sentiment, there are only 2 roads in or out of that place, its situated at the very basin of an old ocean inlet that dried up. its the worst possible place anywhere in the area to have put a stadium complex.

kingfc22 · 10-10-2005, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

I won't argue with that sentiment, there are only 2 roads in or out of that place, its situated at the very basin of an old ocean inlet that dried up. its the worst possible place anywhere in the area to have put a stadium complex.

I'd have to say that Candlestick Park is right up there with "worst possible location" ever.

kingfc22 · 10-10-2005, 10:52 PM

That was a quick drive.

RendeR · 10-10-2005, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

I'd have to say that Candlestick Park is right up there with "worst possible location" ever.

Yeah it ranks right up there, but the view from the stick is gorgious, where as the view from San Diego is shyte.

sabotai · 10-10-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

The return man has to be allowed an unmolested chance to catch the ball, this includes the time it takes him to get the ball under control if he bobbles it at first, the player hit him during that time and by rule, that is a penalty.

He HAD his chance and he didn't catch it. It bounced off his hands and into the air. The rule is dumb.

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I don't think its dumb at all, get your body under control, set up in front of the guy and wack him AFTER he catches the ball, not during the attempt.

Even when he calls for a fair catch, which is what happened on the play?

RendeR · 10-10-2005, 11:00 PM

Antonio Gates is a fucking BEAST.

TroyF · 10-10-2005, 11:01 PM

OK, so the Patriots smack the Steelers in Pittsburgh. (with Pitt looking like a junior high team for a majority of the second half)

SD just destroys NE. Dominates them and makes them look like a junior high team.

Now Pitt is dominating the Chargers in SD. Even with the score close, the Chargers are getting destroyed in TOP and Tomlinson can't get loose on the ground for anything. (and the reffing has been poor on both sides of the ball)

So if this were to continue for another quarter, who is better than who?

My vote:

NE are the champs, they get the benefit of the doubt until they get beat.
Pittsburgh would have beaten the Chargers on the road, they'd have to get the nod IMO.

And SD, despite lighting up NE, would be 2-3 and two games back in their own division. (really 2 1/2 as they lost to the team they are behind)

And if the Chargers come back and win this one, the Steelers will be the team 2 games back in their own division.

Funny how quickly things can change in the NFL, even at this early stage of the year.

TroyF · 10-10-2005, 11:03 PM

Oh, and those Chargers uniforms are the best in the NFL, period. I'm still baffled as to why they don't just make them the every week uniforms.

RendeR · 10-10-2005, 11:03 PM

Thats making my point even further, he called for a FAIR CATCH, the steelers by RULE can't even TOUCH him. Period.

The play was called perfectly, the steeler player needs to learn some disciplne.

hukarez · 10-10-2005, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

I won't argue with that sentiment, there are only 2 roads in or out of that place, its situated at the very basin of an old ocean inlet that dried up. its the worst possible place anywhere in the area to have put a stadium complex.

I always avoid the 15 as much as possible. Hell, Mission Valley alone...some of those 163 merges are death traps. I told my buddy to hang out for an hour and a half or something, or hang out at the Fenton Marketplace for traffic to die down. If I'm not mistaken, last I recall, it was stated that Qualcomm has the 'second' largest parking lot among stadiums? Doesn't help much with traffic, that's for sure.

RendeR · 10-10-2005, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TroyF

Oh, and those Chargers uniforms are the best in the NFL, period. I'm still baffled as to why they don't just make them the every week uniforms.

Can everyone try deep throating those uniforms just a LITTLE bit more? cmon, you cant ake another inch or two! I have faith...

Sheesh, yeah they're great, wtf is the repetition for?

ISiddiqui · 10-10-2005, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Can everyone try deep throating those uniforms just a LITTLE bit more? cmon, you cant ake another inch or two! I have faith...

Sheesh, yeah they're great, wtf is the repetition for?

Cause we have to put up with all the other uniforms every week

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sabotai · 10-10-2005, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Thats making my point even further, he called for a FAIR CATCH, the steelers by RULE can't even TOUCH him. Period.

They CAN touch him after he muffs the catch. The ball bounced off his hands and into the air. That should count as a muff. It wasn't just a simple bobble. It hit his hands, went into the air and the Steelers' player grabbed it.

cthomer5000 · 10-10-2005, 11:18 PM

Roethlisberger down and writhing in pain (knee).

kingfc22 · 10-10-2005, 11:19 PM

All the Steelers fans are holding their breath right now.

cthomer5000 · 10-10-2005, 11:19 PM

Charlie Batch time (*gulp*).

Eaglesfan27 · 10-10-2005, 11:19 PM

That doesn't look good.

ThunderingHERD · 10-10-2005, 11:19 PM

That replay didn't look good at all.

hukarez · 10-10-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Roethlisberger down and writhing in pain (knee).

Was it the knee? Or his shin? Either way, that looked extremely painful..

Ksyrup · 10-10-2005, 11:20 PM

I swear I just saw his left leg nearly dangling from below the knee when they turned him over. Maybe not a break, but it looked really loose. Not good at all.

sabotai · 10-10-2005, 11:20 PM

Ouch...

zums · 10-10-2005, 11:20 PM

looked like a cheap shot - castillo was down and kinda rolled when its obvious to me he didnt need to roll

-zums

cthomer5000 · 10-10-2005, 11:21 PM

I mean from my lay-person point of view at least there was no twisting impact there, no? Couldn't it just be some sort of hyper-extension or just a bad shot to his kneecap? (trying to look on the bright side)

Honolulu_Blue · 10-10-2005, 11:21 PM

sabotai · 10-10-2005, 11:21 PM

Time to just run the ball and kick the FG. Don't let Batch throw it!

Fonzie · 10-10-2005, 11:22 PM

Knees aren't supposed to bend that way.

cthomer5000 · 10-10-2005, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by zums

looked like a cheap shot - castillo was down and kinda rolled when its obvious to me he didnt need to roll

-zums

I strongly disagree, it was all in the course of the play. everything looks like a cheap shot in slow-motion.

Fonzie · 10-10-2005, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

I mean from my lay-person point of view at least there was no twisting impact there, no? Couldn't it just be some sort of hyper-extension or just a bad shot to his kneecap? (trying to look on the bright side)

Possibly. But it looked hurty either way.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 10-10-2005, 11:24 PM

That knee didnt look good.

zums · 10-10-2005, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

I strongly disagree, it was all in the course of the play. everything looks like a cheap shot in slow-motion.

yeah after i thought about it more, not really a cheap shot - but i maintain castillo rolled into him on purpose (in an effort to knock him down, not hurt him.

-zums

cthomer5000 · 10-10-2005, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CHEMICAL SOLDIER

That knee didnt look good.

Of course it didn't look good, but in all honestly most serious knee injuries look much worse upon initial viewing. It looked bad, but not "oh my got turn away from the screen!" bad.

RendeR · 10-10-2005, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

They CAN touch him after he muffs the catch. The ball bounced off his hands and into the air. That should count as a muff. It wasn't just a simple bobble. It hit his hands, went into the air and the Steelers' player grabbed it.

By rule a the ball must touch the turf to be considered a "muff", players bobble the ball making catches all the time, catching a punt is no different. The rule is plain as day and he broke it.

ISiddiqui · 10-10-2005, 11:25 PM

Wow.. there really are a lot of Steelers fans there... lots of Pittsburgh people migrating to San Diego?

Honolulu_Blue · 10-10-2005, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Charlie Batch time (*gulp*).

If this were FOF2, the Steeler's would be fine.

ISiddiqui · 10-10-2005, 11:26 PM

Good... Pitt up by 2 now.

kingfc22 · 10-10-2005, 11:27 PM

Tough loss for San Diego.

zums · 10-10-2005, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Of course it didn't look good, but in all honestly most serious knee injuries look much worse upon initial viewing. It looked bad, but not "oh my got turn away from the screen!" bad.

yeah but not all bad injuries look horrible either - hell, look at mcallister yesterday. looked like a lil twist, came out expecting nothing serious, then today a torn acl. curtis enis played the second half of a game w/ a torn acl back in the day. the truth is with knees you just dont know.

-zums

RendeR · 10-10-2005, 11:29 PM

Have I mentioned just how much I despise Pittsburgh?

Gah. Fucking black and Gold in my nightmares from age 10.......

MikeVic · 10-10-2005, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Have I mentioned just how much I despise Pittsburgh?

Gah. Fucking black and Gold in my nightmares from age 10.......

Explains your agreement with the dumb NFL rule.

TroyF · 10-10-2005, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

By rule a the ball must touch the turf to be considered a "muff", players bobble the ball making catches all the time, catching a punt is no different. The rule is plain as day and he broke it.

Maybe so, but I don't think Madden ever argued what the rule was, he argued that it was an idiotic rule. And I agree with him. If the return man can't catch the ball cleanly, he should become a live player on the field.

The rule is clear and the officials made the correct call. But we have every right to disagree with the rule.

The tuck rule is another one I disagree with strongly and it went for my team yesterday. There was no doubt about the definition of the rule there either. Plummers arm was going forward, and he never tucked it. It's an incomplete pass. I know they've reviewed the rule, but I think they are fools. This is another one that should be altered. Doubt it will, but it should be.

sabotai · 10-10-2005, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

By rule a the ball must touch the turf to be considered a "muff", players bobble the ball making catches all the time, catching a punt is no different. The rule is plain as day and he broke it.

Yeah, I know that's the rule. Hence the reason I call it a "dumb rule". It's one thing to bobble the ball a bit and it's another to have it hit off your hands and go flying away from your body. The rules should reflect that. Once the ball hits off his hands, it should be considered live. The rule book doesn't state that, so I call it a "dumb rule".

RendeR · 10-10-2005, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Explains your agreement with the dumb NFL rule.

Actually it does nothing of the kind, same thing got called on my Bengals last week, I agreed with the call then too.

10-10-2005, 10:07 PM	#301
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	What a crock of shit. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

10-10-2005, 10:08 PM	#304
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	What an utterly idiotic rule (fair catch rule). Madden was spot on there. Just a dumb rule. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

10-10-2005, 10:08 PM	#305
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	It wasn't even like he was bobbling it. It was in the air over his head. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

10-10-2005, 10:31 PM	#307
hukarez College Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chula Vista, CA	My buddy's at the stadium right now, hoping to get some airtime with a glittery sign he made: "Cowher needs more Cow Bell". Of course, I don't envy the traffic he's going to hit trying to get home from the game. Ugh. __________________ ...what we have here is a man who looks like Tarzan, but fights like Jane! My VG collection \| Xbox 360 Gamertag: ManThol \| PS3 Network ID: hukarez Doce Pares International - San Diego Council Filipino Martial Arts Digest tweet tweet twitter

10-10-2005, 10:47 PM	#308
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	The return man has to be allowed an unmolested chance to catch the ball, this includes the time it takes him to get the ball under control if he bobbles it at first, the player hit him during that time and by rule, that is a penalty. I don't think its dumb at all, get your body under control, set up in front of the guy and wack him AFTER he catches the ball, not during the attempt. I stand by my stance: Madden is a fucking moron. They shoulda retired his decrepit ass years ago. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

10-10-2005, 10:07 PM	#302
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	These refs suck....screwing both sides over nicely.

10-10-2005, 10:07 PM	#303
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	What? If he drops it, he still has a right to allow him to try to catch it? Some screwed up stuff there.

10-10-2005, 10:10 PM	#306
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Yeah, dumb rule. According to the rule, it probably has to hit the ground for it to be a muff. But yeah, dumb rule. On another note, this is one of the worst games I've seen in quite awhile.

10-10-2005, 10:52 PM	#311
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	That was a quick drive. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

10-10-2005, 11:00 PM	#314
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Antonio Gates is a fucking BEAST. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

10-10-2005, 11:01 PM	#315
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	OK, so the Patriots smack the Steelers in Pittsburgh. (with Pitt looking like a junior high team for a majority of the second half) SD just destroys NE. Dominates them and makes them look like a junior high team. Now Pitt is dominating the Chargers in SD. Even with the score close, the Chargers are getting destroyed in TOP and Tomlinson can't get loose on the ground for anything. (and the reffing has been poor on both sides of the ball) So if this were to continue for another quarter, who is better than who? My vote: NE are the champs, they get the benefit of the doubt until they get beat. Pittsburgh would have beaten the Chargers on the road, they'd have to get the nod IMO. And SD, despite lighting up NE, would be 2-3 and two games back in their own division. (really 2 1/2 as they lost to the team they are behind) And if the Chargers come back and win this one, the Steelers will be the team 2 games back in their own division. Funny how quickly things can change in the NFL, even at this early stage of the year.

10-10-2005, 11:03 PM	#316
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Oh, and those Chargers uniforms are the best in the NFL, period. I'm still baffled as to why they don't just make them the every week uniforms.

10-10-2005, 11:03 PM	#317
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Thats making my point even further, he called for a FAIR CATCH, the steelers by RULE can't even TOUCH him. Period. The play was called perfectly, the steeler player needs to learn some disciplne. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png Last edited by RendeR : 10-10-2005 at 11:05 PM.

10-10-2005, 11:19 PM	#323
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	All the Steelers fans are holding their breath right now. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

10-10-2005, 11:19 PM	#325
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	That doesn't look good. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

10-10-2005, 11:19 PM	#326
ThunderingHERD College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	That replay didn't look good at all. __________________ "I'm losing my edge--to better looking people... with better ideas... and more talent. And who are actually really, really nice." "Everyone's a voyeurist--they're watching me watch them watch me right now."

10-10-2005, 11:20 PM	#328
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I swear I just saw his left leg nearly dangling from below the knee when they turned him over. Maybe not a break, but it looked really loose. Not good at all. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-10-2005, 11:20 PM	#329
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Ouch...

10-10-2005, 11:20 PM	#330
zums H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Dec 2000	looked like a cheap shot - castillo was down and kinda rolled when its obvious to me he didnt need to roll -zums

10-10-2005, 11:21 PM	#332
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Ow. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

10-10-2005, 11:21 PM	#333
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Time to just run the ball and kick the FG. Don't let Batch throw it!

10-10-2005, 11:22 PM	#334
Fonzie Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Illinois	Knees aren't supposed to bend that way.

10-10-2005, 11:24 PM	#337
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	That knee didnt look good. __________________ Toujour Pret

10-10-2005, 11:25 PM	#341
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Wow.. there really are a lot of Steelers fans there... lots of Pittsburgh people migrating to San Diego? __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

10-10-2005, 11:26 PM	#343
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Good... Pitt up by 2 now. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

10-10-2005, 11:27 PM	#344
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Tough loss for San Diego. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

10-10-2005, 11:29 PM	#346
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Have I mentioned just how much I despise Pittsburgh? Gah. Fucking black and Gold in my nightmares from age 10....... __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

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