GroupThink 3 - Kitty Hawk, 2022 - Page 7

Buzzbee · 10-09-2003, 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by Fritz
Go ahead, draft Mixion and convert him to SE. What can it hurt?

I don't think we want to. His leadership is too high and I'm afraid we'd be stuck with him as a positional leader and be forced to start him.

That's one reason I think we've moved away from the RB conversion idea and moved back to the true WR concept.

Buzzbee · 10-09-2003, 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by cuervo72
Well, looking at the guys on the team already, Percy Rapp (232) would not be able to convert, but Howie Boyd (225) would. So I'd guess the limit would be either 225 or 230.

Cuervo - Any LB's out there who:

1) Are between 210 and 225lbs.
2) Don't have high leadership
3) Are not chemistry excluded
4) noticeably "better" than available safeties

albionmoonlight · 10-09-2003, 09:21 AM

Since we are experimenting, I am fine with drafting a LB (good at coverage, I expect) and converting him to safety. The worse that will happen is that it won't work and we will have to pick up a S from FA.

Make sure that you pick a really light one, too.

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 09:42 AM

Who's running the draft now that Quik is gone for a couple of days?

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buzzbee
Cuervo - Any LB's out there who:

1) Are between 210 and 225lbs.
2) Don't have high leadership
3) Are not chemistry excluded
4) noticeably "better" than available safeties

I think the top candidate would be SILB Preston Hillard, 6-0 228, California. 5 leadership, Scorpio.

22/51 RD, 11/24 PRT, 6/17 MTM, 22/58 Z, 27/70 B&R, 70 PRS, 12/28 PD, 30 PH, 51/58 END, 51/55 ST. Hmm, well liked by fans.

albionmoonlight · 10-09-2003, 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by cuervo72
Who's running the draft now that Quik is gone for a couple of days?

Who has access to the game during the day?

albionmoonlight · 10-09-2003, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cuervo72
I think the top candidate would be SILB Preston Hillard, 6-0 228, California. 5 leadership, Scorpio.

22/51 RD, 11/24 PRT, 6/17 MTM, 22/58 Z, 27/70 B&R, 70 PRS, 12/28 PD, 30 PH, 51/58 END, 51/55 ST. Hmm, well liked by fans.

Might he be too heavy at 228?

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by albionmoonlight
Might he be too heavy at 228?

I see a FA safety out there who is 231, and Dixon Wages of the Supernovas (quick player search) is 227. There's a 228, and another 227...I think we'd be ok. If not, we'd have a good pass rushing LB

Um, and I obviously have access...I'd assume Fritz usually does too.

Fritz · 10-09-2003, 10:02 AM

I have access, but prefer not to do this part unless it is our only option.

When running a "phase" of the game the person doing the actions has extra influance on the team. My time for that is during the season.

albionmoonlight · 10-09-2003, 10:05 AM

Cool--I say draft away, Cuervo.

And pick up the LB. If he can't convert, we'll deal with that when the time comes.

"We're looking into the Flyer's day 2 war room, and it appears that the only person there is an assistant scout with a bottle of tequila. What do you think this means, Mel?"

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 10:05 AM

Which is why I'm reluctant as well. But I can do it if need be. So are we chosing Hillard over Mixon then and switching him to SS?

albionmoonlight · 10-09-2003, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by cuervo72
Which is why I'm reluctant as well. But I can do it if need be. So are we chosing Hillard over Mixon then and switching him to SS?

I'd like to try that, yes.

Fritz · 10-09-2003, 10:11 AM

I would like to suggest TE Antoine Coble.

He is not much of a TE, and a liability in the Goal Line formation, but he is very good on ST. I have no idea how STs work in FOF, but I presume having a player good at is is something you should look for.

SE Nolan Irwin - affinity with Diana. Can KR/PR for us this season as he devs into a decent backup. Low Leadership. Perfect fit.

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fritz
I would like to suggest TE Antoine Coble.

He is not much of a TE, and a liability in the Goal Line formation, but he is very good on ST. I have no idea how STs work in FOF, but I presume having a player good at is is something you should look for.

SE Nolan Irwin - affinity with Diana. Can KR/PR for us this season as he devs into a decent backup. Low Leadership. Perfect fit.

For this pick or the next? Keeping in mind of course that they might not be there next round. Do we think we can put off our S experiment for a round (and if Hillard isn't there, see if Mixon still is)? Which one of these two would you prefer?

edit: Coble's special teams ability is attractive. Heck, I wonder if he could switch to DE...

Fritz · 10-09-2003, 10:24 AM

Irwin will not last a round, so now is the time if we want to go that route.

The TE should not come before a WR or S as we can still put Wayne under contract. His ST is not as good, but he is a better blocker and part of some 2 TE sets.

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 10:29 AM

Ok, I've got my mind made up then....bear with me for a bit.

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 10:37 AM

Well, the man with the bottle decided to push a few buttons, and here are how things turned out:

Code:

186. Kitty Hawk - Irwin, Nolan, WR, West Virginia

187. Cheyenne - Gaylor, Andy, T, Minnesota
188. Lake Erie - Madison, Jake, G, San Diego State
189. Nashua - Scroggins, Horace, T, Duke
190. Sault Ste. Marie - Kocher, Ben, CB, Alabama
191. Mazatlan - Keith, Quinn, T, Kent
192. Fort Knox - Cochrane, Joel, WR, Vanderbilt
193. Mazatlan - Hastings, Frank, TE, Auburn
194. Ocean City - Etaton, Nathan, DE, Texas A&M
195. Niagara Falls - Noyeaux, Hugh, S, Arizona
196. Thunder Bay - Jeffries, Carlton, DE, Minnesota
197. Fort Wayne - Cline, Charles, OLB, North Texas
198. Wheeling - Arangure, Tony, WR, Oklahoma
199. Champaign - Coble, Antoine, TE, Baylor
200. Tulsa - Palmer, Kelvin, DT, Florida State
201. Ypsilanti - Dimry, Alonzo, WR, Texas Christian
202. Providence - Bessette, Vince, CB, Colorado State
203. Norfolk - Farmer, Andre, OLB, Colorado State
204. Tijuana - Pupunu, Josh, G, Washington
205. Sacramento - Hernandez, J.T., DT, Wyoming
206. Niagara Falls - Watson, Lonnie, S, Baylor
207. Athens - Buntain, Joe, CB, Toledo
208. Texarkana - Thornton, Frankie, C, Illinois
209. Pensacola - Madison, Tito, S, Louisville
210. Napa Valley - Scarborough, Teddy, FB, Georgetown
211. Texarkana - Cote, Clark, WR, Colorado State
212. Manhattan - Hudson, Donovan, CB, Georgia
213. Death Valley - Marsh, O.J., OLB, Houston
214. Puget Sound - Howe, Maurice, DT, Iona
215. Louisville - Reiter, Jose, WR, Purdue
216. Little Rock - Lombard, Chad, P, Utah
217. Hawk Mountain - Shaw, K.C., P, Utah
218. Memphis - Withrow, Amos, P, Utah State
219. Cheyenne - Galloway, Casey, OLB, Rutgers
220. Lake Erie - Williamson, Thomas, DE, Florida
221. Tijuana - Davis, Orlando, C, Wake Forest
222. Sault Ste. Marie - Ashraf, Johnny, P, Navy

223. Kitty Hawk - Hillard, Preston, ILB, California

224. Fort Knox - Beadnell, Daryl, QB, Illinois

Made an educated guess and got the OC his wide reciever and DC his converted S. Eric Mixon went undrafted, and is waiting to be picked up with everyone's blessing. Preston Hillard made the transition to SS, which reduced his stats to 7/41, which is ok I suppose.

edit: I hope I'm not responsible for getting Hillard's name on his jersey, because I can't get the spelling straight....

Fritz · 10-09-2003, 10:54 AM

I feel very good about our posture at WR. We have a couple of playmakers, a mentor, and a couple of guys to develop.

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 10:56 AM

How do we handle picking up FA rookies? Should I go ahead and pickup Mixon, or should I just post the updated files first?

albionmoonlight · 10-09-2003, 10:57 AM

I'm fine with you picking up what is out there.

If there is any LB who has freakish blitz ability, I would not mind picking him up just to give him a look-see.

ditto with any safety out there that may be worth bringing into camp.

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 11:03 AM

Other needs? Fritz, is there a QB that catches your eye?

Yikes...did the bottom drop out on Kowalski before or after the draft? He's now listed at 19/19 on the roster screen.

Hmm, Ted Rivers has a good pass rush strength. He might be a pickup. Not much to be had in the secondary.

Fritz · 10-09-2003, 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by cuervo72
Other needs? Fritz, is there a QB that catches your eye?

Yikes...did the bottom drop out on Kowalski before or after the draft? He's now listed at 19/19 on the roster screen.

Hmm, Ted Rivers has a good pass rush strength. He might be a pickup. Not much to be had in the secondary.

thats Kowalski for ya.

Can you post updated files?

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 11:16 AM

Here goes nothing:

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 11:16 AM

File #2:

Fritz · 10-09-2003, 11:33 AM

Per discussions with Quik (above somewhere), we can resign TE Wayne and G Peterson at their asking prices.

We can either resign P Van Saldana for 3 years (what I would do) or pick up P K.C. Cash out of FA for a year.

QB Tyrell Browning would be an okay pickup (we need one more)

FB Peter Robertson would be a good pickup for Camp (almost sure to be cut)

FL J.R. Leslie would be a good camp guy

RG Karl Preston would be an excellent developmental player.

----

MLB Kerry Satterlee might interest the D

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 11:45 AM

Those 8 would bring us to 50 under contract. I'd add Mixon and Rivers (or Kurt Moe, again the ST factor) to that, which would fill us out at 60.

OR, if we needed to try another S conversion (we have 5 CB and 4 S, so we might be fine anyway), we can try Grady Yamashita.

Buzzbee · 10-09-2003, 12:02 PM

I don't think we want to pick up Mixon. His high leadership just makes him dangerous. And we aren't hurting for RB's.

Buzzbee · 10-09-2003, 12:04 PM

Dola - My vote at P would be to re-sign P Saldana. He did a very good job last year with high avg. and good numbers inside the 20.

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 12:22 PM

I was still thinking in terms of switching him to WR, but I guess we have enough now. We can pick up Rivers, Moe and Yamashita in that case along with Fritz' list.

I'm going to unofficially see how he transistions though to satisfy my curiosity (or I could just do that and then dump him anyway, I don't think there's a rule about that, is there? I mean, he is a rookie FA.)....

edit: Actually, is there anything against signing him, switching the position, reporting the results and then determining if we want to bring him to camp? Besides possibly screwing up the guy's career?

Buzzbee · 10-09-2003, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cuervo72
I was still thinking in terms of switching him to WR, but I guess we have enough now. We can pick up Rivers, Moe and Yamashita in that case along with Fritz' list.

I'm going to unofficially see how he transistions though to satisfy my curiosity (or I could just do that and then dump him anyway, I don't think there's a rule about that, is there? I mean, he is a rookie FA.)....

I think we are in worse shape with receivers in terms of leadership. Diana is the leader with 64 (I think). So, any TE's or WR's you sign out of FA, make sure they have leadership below 60 (just to be safe).

Also, of the FA's you sign, I don't know if Fritz looked at chemistry, so you might want to make a quick check.

Thanks for filling in Cuervo. I'll throw in a bottle of Cap'n Morgan's Dark Rum for you (unless you'd prefer a bottle of Two Fingers Tequila).

Buzzbee · 10-09-2003, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cuervo72
edit: Actually, is there anything against signing him, switching the position, reporting the results and then determining if we want to bring him to camp? Besides possibly screwing up the guy's career?

Technically I don't think there is anything against that, but the problem is that if we sign him his high leadership (when compared to our backfield and receivers leaders) makes it a risk that he will be deemed a position leader. If he is tagged with that moniker, then we are, by our rules, disallowed from cutting him.

QS and I discussed how the positional leaders are determined and we decided that the pure leadership number is not the only factor. We believe that the leadership rating, coupled with experience on the team helps determine the leader.

Any player who has a higher leadership and more experience on the team will be the positional leader. However, a person with higher leadership and less "team" experience may be passed over for a player with slightly lower leadership but more "team" experience.

That was the general idea we came up with.

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Buzzbee
I think we are in worse shape with receivers in terms of leadership. Diana is the leader with 64 (I think). So, any TE's or WR's you sign out of FA, make sure they have leadership below 60 (just to be safe).

Also, of the FA's you sign, I don't know if Fritz looked at chemistry, so you might want to make a quick check.

Thanks for filling in Cuervo. I'll throw in a bottle of Cap'n Morgan's Dark Rum for you (unless you'd prefer a bottle of Two Fingers Tequila).

Sigh. Yes, I guess you're right. But just for the record, I have *tentatively* signed Mixon to a minimum 1-year deal.

He has transitioned to SE at 18/48, and has some interesting nubmers - only 2/16 for avoiding drops, 59/96 getting downfield, 13/86 route running, 24/30 3rd down, 14 big play, 8/14 courage, 8/55 adjust, 12/78 avoid fumbles, and 16/26 and 9/17 P/K returns. He did NOT replace Diana as the group leader.

We can either:

a) keep him if the OC thinks he's worth a look (I couldn't forsee leadership changing during camp)
b) cut him loose
c) ignore I did this altogether

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buzzbee
Technically I don't think there is anything against that, but the problem is that if we sign him his high leadership (when compared to our backfield and receivers leaders) makes it a risk that he will be deemed a position leader. If he is tagged with that moniker, then we are, by our rules, disallowed from cutting him.

Just to clarify - that was only if he had made the roster for any significant time, correct? I seem to recall QS signing a lineman who did this early this FA and we immediately cut him.

edit: that was the case:

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However, we have a problem. DT Brian Levine, if he stays with the team, will become our defensive front leader. That causes heartburn for three players—our two unsigned free agents, and also DE Geoff Emerson. I think that we’ll have to jettison Levine (who signed without a bonus, so there’s no cost to us there). But we may need to make a move with a late FA pursuit to get a stopgap at DT.

Buzzbee · 10-09-2003, 01:01 PM

He didn't replace Diana as receivers leader, but I can assure you that either later this season or next season he probably would.

QS and I weren't sure if the positional leaders could change mid-season or if they only change at a particular point in the season (End of season, staff hiring, traning camp, etc.).

I think it is probably a worthy experiment, but I'm not sure we want to tinker with the time bomb to find out when it will explode.

Perhaps Fritz has some additional input.

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 01:02 PM

Agreed, waiting on Fritz

Buzzbee · 10-09-2003, 02:03 PM

Also, for the record, I'd probably vote for C. I'm a little uncomfortable with signing a guy, seeing how is ratings change, and then deciding if we want to keep him or not. I'm not sure why, but it just seems a little "dirty".

Don't get me wrong, I'm no purist, but just wanted to toss out my feelings for the record.

albionmoonlight · 10-09-2003, 02:14 PM

I think that it fits. It does not happen often in the NFL, but it does happen. The Saints drafted Boo Williams, who played receiver in college, to play TE. If he had not worked out, they would have cut him. Same thing with the Cowboys drafting Dantzler and trying him out at running back and later releasing him.

There may be something about FOF that makes doing it too easy and too much of an advantage over the computer players, but--in terms of how teams work in real life--I see nothing wrong with it.

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 02:20 PM

That's fine, I guess it could be a little shady. If we did it once, what's stopping us from doing that with every rookie FA (making them one big experiment) not drafted? Maybe we should look at a general position change rule - I don't know if a limit has been discussed yet.

So we'll go with A if the OC wants to hang onto him, or C if he doesn't. That was my only action since the saved game so that will be simple, or if one of you guys wants to carry out the FA signings tonight (I don't know how long I'm going to be here at work, somewhat at the mercy of what my in-laws want to do whenever they arrive. If I don't hear from home, I'll be around until 4 or so) that's fine too.

edit: took me a while to post, so I didn't see albion's input.

albionmoonlight · 10-09-2003, 02:22 PM

I going out tonight with some guys from work, so I don't think I'll be around to do it. Also, I like Fritz's idea of the coordinators not doing much with the files until the season starts. That balances out everyone's participation well.

Buzzbee · 10-09-2003, 02:24 PM

I should have some time this evening if we want to go ahead with FA signings. If we can get those and training camp done, we might be in a position to get through the preseason before the weekend, giving us time over the weekend to set game plans, make cuts, and otherwise prepare for our championship season.

Buzzbee · 10-09-2003, 02:29 PM

And based on Albion's comments, I'm a little more comfortable with it, but like Cuervo said, see potential for abuse. However, I think we as a group have enough integrity to make this a trivial concern.

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by Fritz

QB Tyrell Browning would be an okay pickup (we need one more)

Browning conflicts with both Kowalski and Johns. Everyone else fits fine.

Regarding Rufus Peterson. What is the rule again for bonuses? He's asking $1,320,000 Y1, $1,660,000 Y2 with a bonus of $1,110,000.

Fritz · 10-09-2003, 02:43 PM

Keep mixon. I had wanted us to grab a few extra WRs to take into camp, with the expectation that there would be cuts.

If my list has not been used yet, you can forget the FL I listed. Please consider the others, esp the QB and the rookie G.

Fritz · 10-09-2003, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by cuervo72
Browning conflicts with both Kowalski and Johns. Everyone else fits fine.

Regarding Rufus Peterson. What is the rule again for bonuses? He's asking $1,320,000 Y1, $1,660,000 Y2 with a bonus of $1,110,000.

then I will get another one.

Fritz · 10-09-2003, 02:46 PM

QB Rod Lindsay should be Okay as an emergency type. He does not get along with the D7, but that should not be an issue.

Buzzbee · 10-09-2003, 02:47 PM

Fritz - Let me know who you want and I will do the FA signings this evening. (chemistry and leadership permitting).

I agree with keeping Mixon, with the stipulation that if he becomes leader after camp we cut him.

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 02:53 PM

Ok, here's what I've done so far then:

1. Signed Mixon, switched to SE
2. Re-signed P Van Saldana for 3 years at his asking price
3. Re-signed TE Bernard Wayne for 1 year at his asking price
4. Signed FL J.R. Leslie (before I saw Fritz's comment)
5. Signed RG Karl Preston
6. Signed WILB Grady Yamashita, converted to SS. He increased to 9/47
7. Signed MLB Kerry Satterlee

This leaves us with 59 under contract. Cutting Leslie would bring us to 58, or we could keep him. I'm awaiting word on if I need to add anything to Rufus' contract. If we cut Leslie, I will pick up an extra linebacker.

Fritz · 10-09-2003, 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by Buzzbee
Fritz - Let me know who you want and I will do the FA signings this evening. (chemistry and leadership permitting).

I agree with keeping Mixon, with the stipulation that if he becomes leader after camp we cut him.

My list is on page 7, but ignore FL Linsey.

We can't cut Mixon if he becomes the leader.

Fritz · 10-09-2003, 02:56 PM

here is the deal with WR and camp: I plan to inactivate the best until we get down to 4 and then let them have a go at pre-season. I presume to keep the best 5 for the season.

cuervo72 · 10-09-2003, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Fritz
here is the deal with WR and camp: I plan to inactivate the best until we get down to 4 and then let them have a go at pre-season. I presume to keep the best 5 for the season.

At the moment we are carrying Song, Ellison, Sanderson, K-Car, LEslie, Nixon, Irwin and Jefferson.

We are also carrying 8 LB's.

10-09-2003, 09:42 AM	#304
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Who's running the draft now that Quik is gone for a couple of days? __________________ null

10-09-2003, 10:02 AM	#309
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	I have access, but prefer not to do this part unless it is our only option. When running a "phase" of the game the person doing the actions has extra influance on the team. My time for that is during the season. __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

10-09-2003, 10:05 AM	#310
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Cool--I say draft away, Cuervo. And pick up the LB. If he can't convert, we'll deal with that when the time comes. "We're looking into the Flyer's day 2 war room, and it appears that the only person there is an assistant scout with a bottle of tequila. What do you think this means, Mel?" Last edited by albionmoonlight : 10-09-2003 at 10:05 AM.

10-09-2003, 10:05 AM	#311
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Which is why I'm reluctant as well. But I can do it if need be. So are we chosing Hillard over Mixon then and switching him to SS? Last edited by cuervo72 : 10-09-2003 at 10:08 AM.

10-09-2003, 10:11 AM	#313
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	I would like to suggest TE Antoine Coble. He is not much of a TE, and a liability in the Goal Line formation, but he is very good on ST. I have no idea how STs work in FOF, but I presume having a player good at is is something you should look for. SE Nolan Irwin - affinity with Diana. Can KR/PR for us this season as he devs into a decent backup. Low Leadership. Perfect fit. __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

10-09-2003, 09:21 AM	#303
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Since we are experimenting, I am fine with drafting a LB (good at coverage, I expect) and converting him to safety. The worse that will happen is that it won't work and we will have to pick up a S from FA. Make sure that you pick a really light one, too.

10-09-2003, 10:24 AM	#315
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	Irwin will not last a round, so now is the time if we want to go that route. The TE should not come before a WR or S as we can still put Wayne under contract. His ST is not as good, but he is a better blocker and part of some 2 TE sets. __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

10-09-2003, 10:29 AM	#316
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Ok, I've got my mind made up then....bear with me for a bit.

10-09-2003, 10:54 AM	#318
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	I feel very good about our posture at WR. We have a couple of playmakers, a mentor, and a couple of guys to develop. __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

10-09-2003, 10:56 AM	#319
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	How do we handle picking up FA rookies? Should I go ahead and pickup Mixon, or should I just post the updated files first?

10-09-2003, 10:57 AM	#320
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I'm fine with you picking up what is out there. If there is any LB who has freakish blitz ability, I would not mind picking him up just to give him a look-see. ditto with any safety out there that may be worth bringing into camp.

10-09-2003, 11:03 AM	#321
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Other needs? Fritz, is there a QB that catches your eye? Yikes...did the bottom drop out on Kowalski before or after the draft? He's now listed at 19/19 on the roster screen. Hmm, Ted Rivers has a good pass rush strength. He might be a pickup. Not much to be had in the secondary.

10-09-2003, 11:16 AM	#323
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Here goes nothing:

10-09-2003, 11:16 AM	#324
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	File #2:

10-09-2003, 11:33 AM	#325
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	Per discussions with Quik (above somewhere), we can resign TE Wayne and G Peterson at their asking prices. We can either resign P Van Saldana for 3 years (what I would do) or pick up P K.C. Cash out of FA for a year. QB Tyrell Browning would be an okay pickup (we need one more) FB Peter Robertson would be a good pickup for Camp (almost sure to be cut) FL J.R. Leslie would be a good camp guy RG Karl Preston would be an excellent developmental player. ---- MLB Kerry Satterlee might interest the D __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

10-09-2003, 11:45 AM	#326
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Those 8 would bring us to 50 under contract. I'd add Mixon and Rivers (or Kurt Moe, again the ST factor) to that, which would fill us out at 60. OR, if we needed to try another S conversion (we have 5 CB and 4 S, so we might be fine anyway), we can try Grady Yamashita.

10-09-2003, 12:02 PM	#327
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	I don't think we want to pick up Mixon. His high leadership just makes him dangerous. And we aren't hurting for RB's. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

10-09-2003, 12:04 PM	#328
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	Dola - My vote at P would be to re-sign P Saldana. He did a very good job last year with high avg. and good numbers inside the 20. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

10-09-2003, 12:22 PM	#329
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	I was still thinking in terms of switching him to WR, but I guess we have enough now. We can pick up Rivers, Moe and Yamashita in that case along with Fritz' list. I'm going to unofficially see how he transistions though to satisfy my curiosity (or I could just do that and then dump him anyway, I don't think there's a rule about that, is there? I mean, he is a rookie FA.).... edit: Actually, is there anything against signing him, switching the position, reporting the results and then determining if we want to bring him to camp? Besides possibly screwing up the guy's career? Last edited by cuervo72 : 10-09-2003 at 12:35 PM.

10-09-2003, 01:01 PM	#334
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	He didn't replace Diana as receivers leader, but I can assure you that either later this season or next season he probably would. QS and I weren't sure if the positional leaders could change mid-season or if they only change at a particular point in the season (End of season, staff hiring, traning camp, etc.). I think it is probably a worthy experiment, but I'm not sure we want to tinker with the time bomb to find out when it will explode. Perhaps Fritz has some additional input. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

10-09-2003, 01:02 PM	#335
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Agreed, waiting on Fritz

10-09-2003, 02:03 PM	#336
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	Also, for the record, I'd probably vote for C. I'm a little uncomfortable with signing a guy, seeing how is ratings change, and then deciding if we want to keep him or not. I'm not sure why, but it just seems a little "dirty". Don't get me wrong, I'm no purist, but just wanted to toss out my feelings for the record. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

10-09-2003, 02:14 PM	#337
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I think that it fits. It does not happen often in the NFL, but it does happen. The Saints drafted Boo Williams, who played receiver in college, to play TE. If he had not worked out, they would have cut him. Same thing with the Cowboys drafting Dantzler and trying him out at running back and later releasing him. There may be something about FOF that makes doing it too easy and too much of an advantage over the computer players, but--in terms of how teams work in real life--I see nothing wrong with it.

10-09-2003, 02:20 PM	#338
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	That's fine, I guess it could be a little shady. If we did it once, what's stopping us from doing that with every rookie FA (making them one big experiment) not drafted? Maybe we should look at a general position change rule - I don't know if a limit has been discussed yet. So we'll go with A if the OC wants to hang onto him, or C if he doesn't. That was my only action since the saved game so that will be simple, or if one of you guys wants to carry out the FA signings tonight (I don't know how long I'm going to be here at work, somewhat at the mercy of what my in-laws want to do whenever they arrive. If I don't hear from home, I'll be around until 4 or so) that's fine too. edit: took me a while to post, so I didn't see albion's input. Last edited by cuervo72 : 10-09-2003 at 02:21 PM.

10-09-2003, 02:22 PM	#339
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I going out tonight with some guys from work, so I don't think I'll be around to do it. Also, I like Fritz's idea of the coordinators not doing much with the files until the season starts. That balances out everyone's participation well.

10-09-2003, 02:24 PM	#340
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	I should have some time this evening if we want to go ahead with FA signings. If we can get those and training camp done, we might be in a position to get through the preseason before the weekend, giving us time over the weekend to set game plans, make cuts, and otherwise prepare for our championship season. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

10-09-2003, 02:29 PM	#341
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	And based on Albion's comments, I'm a little more comfortable with it, but like Cuervo said, see potential for abuse. However, I think we as a group have enough integrity to make this a trivial concern. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

10-09-2003, 02:43 PM	#343
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	Keep mixon. I had wanted us to grab a few extra WRs to take into camp, with the expectation that there would be cuts. If my list has not been used yet, you can forget the FL I listed. Please consider the others, esp the QB and the rookie G. __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

10-09-2003, 02:46 PM	#345
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	QB Rod Lindsay should be Okay as an emergency type. He does not get along with the D7, but that should not be an issue. __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

10-09-2003, 02:47 PM	#346
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	Fritz - Let me know who you want and I will do the FA signings this evening. (chemistry and leadership permitting). I agree with keeping Mixon, with the stipulation that if he becomes leader after camp we cut him. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

10-09-2003, 02:53 PM	#347
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Ok, here's what I've done so far then: 1. Signed Mixon, switched to SE 2. Re-signed P Van Saldana for 3 years at his asking price 3. Re-signed TE Bernard Wayne for 1 year at his asking price 4. Signed FL J.R. Leslie (before I saw Fritz's comment) 5. Signed RG Karl Preston 6. Signed WILB Grady Yamashita, converted to SS. He increased to 9/47 7. Signed MLB Kerry Satterlee This leaves us with 59 under contract. Cutting Leslie would bring us to 58, or we could keep him. I'm awaiting word on if I need to add anything to Rufus' contract. If we cut Leslie, I will pick up an extra linebacker.

10-09-2003, 02:56 PM	#349
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	here is the deal with WR and camp: I plan to inactivate the best until we get down to 4 and then let them have a go at pre-season. I presume to keep the best 5 for the season. __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

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