So why exactly was MJ4H boxed?

[Lorena]

hai guys... what'd i miss?

[Pumpy Tudors]

Welp, I'm off to Disney World. Peace out, FOFC.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Fixed that for you, keep your personal issues with me in your own threads.

Alright loser.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Lorena

hai guys... what'd i miss?

+ 1

And I've been around.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Pumpy is all about the happy sexy...

I imagine that if Pumpy bans someone, his mustache twitches like Samantha's nose in Bewitched and then BAM, you're boxed.

[Fidatelo]

Originally Posted by Mustang

I imagine that if Pumpy bans someone, his mustache twitches like Samantha's nose in Bewitched and then BAM, you're boxed.

Pumpy's mustache is all about the box.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Mustang

I imagine that if Pumpy bans someone, his mustache twitches like Samantha's nose in Bewitched and then BAM, you're boxed.

I'd like to bring back the term "mustachio".

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by flounder

This post didn't get enough love.

Anytime you have a chance to work a double pun with UHF in a thead, you have to.

SI

[DanGarion]

Your fearless leaders.

Super Moderators
User Name Contact
JeeberD is offline JeeberD Send a private message to JeeberD
Ksyrup is offline Ksyrup Send a private message to Ksyrup
QuikSand is offline QuikSand Send a private message to QuikSand
sachmo71 is offline sachmo71 Send a private message to sachmo71
TroyF is offline TroyF Send a private message to TroyF
wade moore is offline wade moore Send a private message to wade moore
WSUCougar is offline WSUCougar Send a private message to WSUCougar

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by stevew

Hell if I know.

Attitude will also get you boxed if you're not special either.

He was possibly violating the "don't be an asshat" clause as well.

Shrug.

Well then shouldn't like 75% of the board be "in the box"?

[stevew]

Here's my understanding of the rules-

No-No's
1. Escalate a fight beyond just "fuck you", elevate it to "fuck your mother, uncle, and/or pet or keep belaboring the fuck you's for far too long.
2. Going far beyond the realm of good taste, posting about stuff involving feces or wife swapping, generally shit that you wouldn't say in front of a normal grandmother.
3. Posting links to questionable material( scantily clad women, etc) Stuff a normal person's boss might take offense to.
4. Ignoring the mods when they ask you to change something involving points 1-3
5. relaying messages from people currently in the penalty box.
6. Other things.


Big No No's
1. Linking to porno or shock sites-ban worthy
2. Posting under multiple accounts in an attempt to troll.
3. Re-registering under another account when you're in the box.
4. linking to warez, asking how to pirate games, etc.



I think that's basically about it. Higher than 90% of boxings are related to the No No's above.

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by wade moore

HA has not been boxed "several times" in the last year.

And by "secret" you mean a list is not posted on the board. I'm pretty confident that no boxing at FOFC has ever gone unnoticed.

fwiw - we don't keep a "list" internally either. Boxings are so rare there really isn't a need to "keep track".

Edit: To remove douchiness on my part. Someone probably already quoted it though.

It would be easy enough for the mods to make the list... the log should have all the info in it. Just would have to be sorted through.

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by stevew

2. Posting under multiple accounts

4. linking to warez, asking how to pirate games, etc.



I think that's basically about it. Higher than 90% of boxings are related to the No No's above.

#2 isn't always. Because if you are doing it for comedy it's approved. Trust me I have like 7 accounts I've created for such occasions.

Also #4 you forgot to add when a mod doesn't think it's right for you to trade a game... Remember that thread?

[lighthousekeeper]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

There comes a time....
when we close a certain thread
and the board will come together as one.
There were posts deleted,
and we lost some pics of nearly naked chicks
The greatest gift of all.

We can't go on
Pretending thread by thread,
That someone, somewhere will soon make a change
We are all a part of the FOFC family
and the funny, and the cocky is all we need.

{chorus}
We are the mods
You people are children
We are the ones who make a better board
So quit your bitching
It's a choice we're making
We're drawing our own lines
It's true we'll make a better board
Just shut your trap

awesome post

[Barkeep49]

I was a mod on a board where I had to record every mod decision I did and which was then made public. It was far more hassle then it was worth, frankly. The point of this board shouldn't be to discuss moderation and having that kind of on going log just increases that chance. A thread like this pops up every now and again, runs its course, and people move on which is as it should be. I think the moderation is better for it (despite any outward appearences) and I think the board is better for the fact that the steam gets blown off and people relatively quickly go back to discussing the things that make this a worthwhile board.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I was a mod on a board where I had to record every mod decision I did and which was then made public. It was far more hassle then it was worth, frankly. The point of this board shouldn't be to discuss moderation and having that kind of on going log just increases that chance. A thread like this pops up every now and again, runs its course, and people move on which is as it should be. I think the moderation is better for it (despite any outward appearences) and I think the board is better for the fact that the steam gets blown off and people relatively quickly go back to discussing the things that make this a worthwhile board.

I don't doubt that moderating a board is a (mostly) thankless job. And I suppose it's probably true that if the mods ever admitted they made a mistake, the good that would come from it ("yay, they admitted they have fallacies and correct themselves when proven wrong!") would be far outweighed by the negative ("if we bitch enough, we can get them to overturn boxings/bannings we don't like - they've done it before!")

Still, I've seen nothing in this thread yet that convinces me that this particular decision wasn't rather arbitrary. I guess ultimately it doesn't matter - as JiMGA points out, it's Ben's board, and bitching to OS would likely result in a worse situation.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I was a mod on a board where I had to record every mod decision I did and which was then made public. It was far more hassle then it was worth, frankly. The point of this board shouldn't be to discuss moderation and having that kind of on going log just increases that chance. A thread like this pops up every now and again, runs its course, and people move on which is as it should be. I think the moderation is better for it (despite any outward appearences) and I think the board is better for the fact that the steam gets blown off and people relatively quickly go back to discussing the things that make this a worthwhile board.

Beep...

[JediKooter]

Where's the "How can you fudge a boxing" parody thread?



I kid, I kid!!!

[Poli]

MJ4Boxing ?

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

I don't doubt that moderating a board is a (mostly) thankless job. And I suppose it's probably true that if the mods ever admitted they made a mistake, the good that would come from it ("yay, they admitted they have fallacies and correct themselves when proven wrong!") would be far outweighed by the negative ("if we bitch enough, we can get them to overturn boxings/bannings we don't like - they've done it before!")

Still, I've seen nothing in this thread yet that convinces me that this particular decision wasn't rather arbitrary. I guess ultimately it doesn't matter - as JiMGA points out, it's Ben's board, and bitching to OS would likely result in a worse situation.

Couple of points...OK a few. First...I didn't see the thread, so have little clue of the worthiness of the decision to address the thread in question. So I won't talk about that.

Second...dawgfan/JIMG are correct that raising this to OS is not going to do any good..I'll add that it would also be inappropriate, in that "what do they care about a minor incident" sort of way. It just isn't an avenue that should be considered...ever. If you're that upset...don't visit the page.

Third...Since when is it against the rules to take a mod to task privately?


Fourth...If a mod acted unilaterally in this case, without following the procedure that the mods presumably follow, then should that moderator's actions and by extension his position be reviewed or at least this incident noted by the moderators?

I got boxed once...it got undone(technically reduced to 24 hours, or what I'd call "time served") after a review by multiple mods. In that case, the mod or mods who acted initially were wrong. I believe the result that I was back posting in less than a day is evidence of that. I don't actually know, rather recall, if Wade was directly involved in the original decision. I do remember that he didn't like me complaining about it/discussing it once I returned. So, the whole it isn't worth discussing such things with "you people" is understood from my perspective.

Fifth...OK a lot of points here. dawgfan is also right that being a mod is thankless. I do disagree with him that the occasional admission that a mod overstepped or the reversal of a decision would be more or less a showing of weakness that would incite more complaints.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by stevew

Going far beyond the realm of good taste, posting about ...wife swapping

Only you and my wife consider wife swapping to be outside the realm of good taste.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by RendeR

First fucking thing you've posted that might actually be true. Check that mirror Wade, POt, fucking KETTLE...

You post this like its some sort of valid criticism that wade's modding decisions are subjective. They're all subjective.

There are a general set of broadly defined rules (guidelines?) to cover the infinite possibilities of posts that the human mind can create. Because there are so few guidelines to cover such a multitude of situations, they must, by definition, be broadly interpreted. Interpretation is subjective. How do you expect the moderation under these conditions to be anything but subjective.

This thread has shown me both the wisdom and folly of Ben's policy of not discussing mod decisions. On the one hand, a clearly stated, definitive announcement of why someone was banned would probably satisfy most people's curiosity. On the other hand, it will give those few who vehemently disagree with whatever rationale is given more fodder. RendeR has clearly shown that engaging in diologue with those people has no chance of being productive.

Still, its not hard to figure out a few things about this place.

1) Pictures of women are not the point. You don't want to get suspended/banned, don't try to find the line of what's offensive. There's just never going to be a clearly defined line about what pictures or links to pictures are acceptable. If there is, you wouldn't like what it would almost have to be.
2) The most hard and fast rule here: accept the mod's decisions. Going around them will end badly for you, even if your method of doing so does not break any rules, and no matter how righteously indignant you are about the injustice of the mod decision.
3) This is not a democracy. Its a dictatorship (with an advisory board). You want to be happy here, accept this as well. There are things in life you cannot contol, or even influence. This is one of them.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Samdari

ctive.

This thread has shown me both the wisdom and folly of Ben's policy of not discussing mod decisions. On the one hand, a clearly stated, definitive announcement of why someone was banned would probably satisfy most people's curiosity. On the other hand, it will give those few who vehemently disagree with whatever rationale is given more fodder. RendeR has clearly shown that engaging in diologue with those people has no chance of being productive.

If the most important thing in the world to a mod is for the posters not to have "fodder" (why this is so important I have no idea, but it seems to be goal #1), then this thread proves that it's a failed policy.

There's just no logic to it - sharing information would not be "productive"...Not sharing information is? How productive is this thread?

If mods are deleting dynasties over personal issues and refusing to give them back, that's a shitty message board. It's just a dynasty, it's just a message board, neither are that important, but in that unimportant world, its shitty behavior.

Nobody says this is a democracy, or should be a democracy. But if there's asshat mods who make personal, arbitrary decisions, it just sucks for the board as a whole. Yes, there's nothing that can be done about it, and everyone will move on soon, but that doesn't void opinions about such asshats. There's a billion opinions stated here every day about things one can't individually control, this is just one of them.

[larrymcg421]

So we keep hearing how few suspensions there are, but we also hear how much work it would be to communicate about suspensions. These two arguments seem to be contrary.

[molson]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

So we keep hearing how few suspensions there are, but we also hear how much work it would be to communicate about suspensions. These two arguments seem to be contrary.

There used to be communication, at a time when there were far more suspensions (it wouldn't be unusual for a big slap-fight to conclude with 5-6 suspensions handed out).

But now it's too much work to do even mention reasons for the "2-3" a year (which I still think is a ridiculous number, when we've had 2, at least, this week).

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by molson

But now it's too much work to do even mention reasons for the "2-3" a year (which I still think is a ridiculous number, when we've had 2, at least, this week).

I don't believe the work is in announcing the suspension and the reasons, the work is in the shitstorm that inevitably follows from those who don't see any harm in pushing the boundaries...

[molson]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

I don't believe the work is in announcing the suspension and the reasons, the work is in the shitstorm that inevitably follows from those who enjoy anarchy on message boards...

Like this thread?

Now we get to have a shitstorm about two topics instead of just one.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Lorena

hai guys... what'd i miss?

Hi, Krusty!

(I've always thought that sequence was poorly animated compared to the rest of the scene- it drops down to like 10 frames per second and looks awkward)

SI

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by molson

Like this thread?

Now we get to have a shitstorm about two topics instead of just one.

And look how much work it has caused

Anyway, sure I could see something like a locked sticky that says

Originally Posted by Potential Sticky

MJ4H was boxed for x days because he:

• Posted a bunch of pictures of bikini-clad women in his dynasty thread, which is something we try to avoid.
• When these pictures were removed, posted another thread with links to them without discussing the issue with the moderators first.
• Acted like an asshat in PMs when mods tried to talk to him about it.

(or at least that's how the situation is being described as it went down). Lock the thread to avoid all the discussion, and at least folks know for the future what sorts of activities resulted in a boxing. But I doubt that would do anything but generate a separate thread with people whining about the actions taken, focusing on #1 rather than on #2 and #3.

[molson]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

But I doubt that would do anything but generate a separate thread with people whining about the actions taken, focusing on #1 rather than on #2 and #3.

And why is this just a horrible thing (especially when we have it anyway, it wouldn't be something new). Just keep it contained to that thread, like you said, make it boxable to pick a fight on that stuff outside the thread (which is a boxable "sin" that actually makes the board worse, which is the criteria that should be used when suspending people, not how much someone disrespects or criticizes the "authority").

Anyway, that's how it used to be done here, and those "fallout" threads weren't this long (since length of the fallout thread appears to be another one of those vague critera that are so important to mods)

[Subby]

Originally Posted by molson

If mods are deleting dynasties over personal issues and refusing to give them back, that's a shitty message board.

When did that happen? Not in this case, anyway.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Subby

When did that happen? Not in this case, anyway.

We're not allowed to know either way, and that's the most logical explanation considering the personalities involved, and the fact that its such a secret.

There's obviously a personality issue, and there was obviously a dynasty thread that was deleted and was not recovered upon request.

[Subby]

Originally Posted by molson

We're not allowed to know either way, and that's the most logical explanation considering the personalities involved, and the fact that its such a secret.

There's obviously a personality issue, and there was obviously a dynasty thread that was deleted and was not recovered upon request.

I think most of it was covered in this thread, no? Wade reported the thread, Ben soft deleted it. MJ4H flipped the fuck out even though he was given the option to edit out the pics and have the thread restored.

[larrymcg421]

My understanding is that he reposted the thread without the pictures, and said if you want to see them, theyre on his twitter account. I think that's a bit different than linking to them.

[RomaGoth]

I was only gone a few days and this is what I come back to? I expected more, FOFC...

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Subby

I think most of it was covered in this thread, no? Wade reported the thread, Ben soft deleted it. MJ4H flipped the fuck out even though he was given the option to edit out the pics and have the thread restored.

Actually I believe MJ4H requested to have the option to edit out pics and was ignored.

[flere-imsaho]

As I stated previously....

[Subby]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

My understanding is that he reposted the thread without the pictures, and said if you want to see them, theyre on his twitter account. I think that's a bit different than linking to them.

Got it - I didn't know if he linked to his account in that re-posted thread or not. If he did, then that's pretty blatant.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Actually I believe MJ4H requested to have the option to edit out pics and was ignored.

Ignored? His PM to one person over the weekend wasn't answered immediately, so that's ignored?

Like I posted earlier, a bit of patience instead of flying off the handle and taking matters into his own hands, and I get the feeling none of this would have been necessary.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Ignored? His PM to one person over the weekend wasn't answered immediately, so that's ignored?

Like I posted earlier, a bit of patience instead of flying off the handle and taking matters into his own hands, and I get the feeling none of this would have been necessary.

Flying off the handle? I thought all he did was repost his dynasty. How is that flying off the handle?

[ISiddiqui]

Well, perhaps there should be a mod/admin who is around over the weekend to prevent this sort of thing in the future. I mean having to sit on your hands and wait because of mod action is frustrating.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Ignored? His PM to one person over the weekend wasn't answered immediately, so that's ignored?

Btw, when was the PM answered by the mods?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Well, perhaps there should be a mod/admin who is around over the weekend to prevent this sort of thing in the future. I mean having to sit on your hands and wait because of mod action is frustrating.

I don't know if that's quite the problem -- mods were definitely around during the weekend to delete the thread, then later to box him. They just weren't around to work with him about the thread.

[ISiddiqui]

Seems to be somewhat counter productive then. Mods around to punish, but no one around to work with MJ4H on the problem.

[molson]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Seems to be somewhat counter productive then. Mods around to punish, but no one around to work with MJ4H on the problem.

It allows a veil for mod decisions based on personal issues.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

FTR, wade didn't "do" anything that any member of this board - mod or otherwise - isn't already free to do. He reported something that he thought was inappropriate for this board. AFAIK, he didn't act as mod in this situation. He reported something directly to Ben, and Ben decided to take action. So people can take issue with wade as a member of this community reporting something that they disagree with having been reported, but he didn't act as mod here. And that was what lead to the original action. What got MJ4H boxed, wade appears to have had nothing to do with at all. AFAICT, that was solely between Ben and MJ4H.

You're right, anyone can act like an asshat and for doing so wade should be banned for violating that clause.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Btw, when was the PM answered by the mods?

I don't think you guys are comprehending what has been previously posted. Wade PM'd Ben. Ben deleted the thread and, I assume, PM'd MJ4H. MJ4H PM'd Ben back, didn't get an answer, then re-posted the thread. I do not believe there was any direct contact between MJ4H and any other mod but Ben, and other than wade, I'm not even sure any other mod *knew* anything about this situation until after it blew up. I can't speak for the rest, but I found out by reading this thread. I might be wrong, but I do not believe MJ4H responded to Ben's PM and copied any other mods. So, he was left to wait for Ben's response to his PM. He chose not to. And really, nothing on this board is so life or death that he couldn't have waited for a response, especially given that this occurred over the weekend.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I don't think you guys are comprehending what has been previously posted. Wade PM'd Ben. Ben deleted the thread and, I assume, PM'd MJ4H. MJ4H PM'd Ben back, didn't get an answer, then re-posted the thread. I do not believe there was any direct contact between MJ4H and any other mod but Ben, and other than wade, I'm not even sure any other mod *knew* anything about this situation until after it blew up. I can't speak for the rest, but I found out by reading this thread. I might be wrong, but I do not believe MJ4H responded to Ben's PM and copied any other mods. So, he was left to wait for Ben's response to his PM. He chose not to. And really, nothing on this board is so life or death that he couldn't have waited for a response, especially given that this occurred over the weekend.

I've avoided the last couple of pages... but didn't MJ4H say he got insta-banned right after he posted the "watch out she has boobs, this thread might get deleted" comment to my Scarlett pic? Who would insta-ban him for a comment like that, without knowing what had happened beforehand? I don't understand that part.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Ryan S

I can't quite believe that we have hit almost 300 posts arguing about this.

FOFC has always had fairly easy going moderation, and compared to many other web forums it is extremely rare to see a post being removed.

As usual you still don't get it.

If a boxing is for something clear (Like HA calling someone Hitler) then nobody cares.

If a random boxing like this occured and when someone asks we got an actual response (he did X), then noone would care.

It's because nobody knows the fucking rules around here and that the mods just do whatever they want. There was no discussion in the mod forum, that's been established. Nobody knows how to avoid doing the same thing as MJ4H because it's super top secret as to what he did (which is most likely because it's a pissing match and a extremely lame boxing)

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I don't think you guys are comprehending what has been previously posted. Wade PM'd Ben. Ben deleted the thread and, I assume, PM'd MJ4H. MJ4H PM'd Ben back, didn't get an answer, then re-posted the thread. I do not believe there was any direct contact between MJ4H and any other mod but Ben, and other than wade, I'm not even sure any other mod *knew* anything about this situation until after it blew up. I can't speak for the rest, but I found out by reading this thread. I might be wrong, but I do not believe MJ4H responded to Ben's PM and copied any other mods. So, he was left to wait for Ben's response to his PM. He chose not to. And really, nothing on this board is so life or death that he couldn't have waited for a response, especially given that this occurred over the weekend.

HAHAHA you assuming Ben PMd MJ4H is an assumption you shouldn't be making.