It Has Begun - NFL Week 1

[tucker rocky]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Going to bed now

But it's still early.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Going to bed now

Good night.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by tucker rocky

Eli, Tom Coughlin would like to have a word with you.

The Wilson fumble in the red zone is the real killer. Had the Cowboys on their toes and they should have kept throwing the ball uptempo, instead Coughlin gets conservative.

[tucker rocky]

Romo fails in the redzone yet again.

[cuervo72]

These guys are sloppy as hell. If either are going to challenge Washington, they'll have to get their acts together.

And Carrie Underwood? Huge MEH.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by tucker rocky

Romo fails in the redzone yet again.

Yeah, how dare he break off the route like that.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Did you watch the play, or are you just being cantankerous? He was out of bounds when Matthews left his feet. That is a shit play, no matter what.

Are you still being the angry young dude? The response was to RKG in implying that QB should be more special when running with the ball than a RB, which should not be the case (as Scarecrow described).

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by tucker rocky

Romo fails in the redzone yet again.

and again...

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Mike D

And here is the infraction in motion. To me and my biased mind, this just looks like a shove to get him out of bounds. Remember, it's a 10 yard gain at this point and the LB is desperate to stop the forward progress...I don't see where he looks to be taking a cheap-shot.

1) If you look at the play from behind, he clearly isn't pushing the guy backward, he's shoving him toward the Bucs end zone. Watch where Smith falls.

2) It was UNNECESSARY. Using your logic, how on Earth is he going to stop the QB from going anywhere there? Look at the QB's step, he's headed out of bounds. He doesn't attempt to grab him and throw him backwards, he shoves him. He wasn't trying to save a yard, he was trying to get in a shot.

3) Even when he is chasing after him, it is clear that Smith is going out of bounds before he even picks up his left leg. He's on his way out, there is nowhere else for him to go. He's not cutting back in, it's filled with Bucs.

4) Again, this is a late hit if it's a RB, WR or QB. This same play happens about 5 or 6 times a game and about once in every 4 or 5 games some moron decides to take the shot and gets called for it 90% of the time.

5) I'll ask again, what does he have to gain here by putting his hands on the QB and shoving him? He had nothing to gain there and everything to lose. . . he lost. Hopefully he learns from it and becomes a better player. If he doesn't, that's on him.

[Danny]

TroyF, have you played a sport with a high level of physicality before?

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by cartman

Yeah, how dare he break off the route like that.

I am not a Cowboys fan and am not a Tony Romo fan. . . but that guy gets so much heat for things other people are responsible for it borders on insanity.

He makes enough dumb decisions to blame him for the ones he makes, there is no need to bash him for his WR's mistakes (which that was IMHO)

[rowech]

Are you guys expecting to change each others minds?

[Danny]

Watching that video, I think the Smith was much more questionable than the Kap one. It was a push and it's really hard to let up in the moment like that. He had no way of knowing Smith wasn't going to turn it in inside for an extra couple of years until right before he delivered the push.

[RedKingGold]

Serenity now!

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Danny

TroyF, have you played a sport with a high level of physicality before?

Yes, I have. . . and I love how that question always comes up when discussing late hits, helmet to helmet hits or holding up on the QB.

People use that excuse over and over and over again. It's too fast, they can't stop themselves, they don't (SCREAAAAAMMMMMM)

Please, stop. If it were impossible to control, everyone would be getting suspended. How many helmet to helmet hits did you see in a single week in college last year? How many helmet shots did QB's get 5 years ago?

That play happens in game after game every week and only a handful of guys decide to hit the player running out of bounds. I believe there were 10 targeting penalties issued in college football in week 1. (3 of which were overturned on review) Not sure how many in week 2, but I didn't see any watching games all day.

It just isn't that hard to NOT hit a guy in the head or out of bounds. Good players figure this out every week.

[Dutch]

@rowech: We always discuss things like this.

[TroyF]

ok enough of that. . .

good news for the Cowboys: they actually intercepted two of Eli's mistakes, that is what you have to do if you want to beat the Giants.

bad news for the Cowboys: You only have a three point lead.



As I typed that, they scored and now have a ten point lead. They better stay ten up, we all know what happens if it's close in the fourth.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Yes, I have. . . and I love how that question always comes up when discussing late hits, helmet to helmet hits or holding up on the QB.

People use that excuse over and over and over again. It's too fast, they can't stop themselves, they don't (SCREAAAAAMMMMMM)

Please, stop. If it were impossible to control, everyone would be getting suspended. How many helmet to helmet hits did you see in a single week in college last year? How many helmet shots did QB's get 5 years ago?

That play happens in game after game every week and only a handful of guys decide to hit the player running out of bounds. I believe there were 10 targeting penalties issued in college football in week 1. (3 of which were overturned on review) Not sure how many in week 2, but I didn't see any watching games all day.

It just isn't that hard to NOT hit a guy in the head or out of bounds. Good players figure this out every week.

But it wasn't a dirty hit at all. The question is whether or not it is late. I think that one was close enough where the defender may not have been able to pull back. Yes, players now a days basically have to play not to get the penalty and just give that extra yard or two if the player decides to take to avoid a penalty. So it was a bad idea to put himself in that position knowing how the refs call games, but I wouldnt have thrown the flag there personally.

Its nothing like a penalty where you lead with your helmet, thats something the player can decide not to do.

[Lathum]

couldn't sleep, did I miss anything?

[Coffee Warlord]

Witten's TD means every one of my fantasy players had at least 1 TD today.

Thus, I've now had the best score I'll have all season.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Danny

But it wasn't a dirty hit at all. The question is whether or not it is late. I think that one was close enough where the defender may not have been able to pull back. Yes, players now a days basically have to play not to get the penalty and just give that extra yard or two if the player decides to take to avoid a penalty. So it was a bad idea to put himself in that position knowing how the refs call games, but I wouldnt have thrown the flag there personally.

Its nothing like a penalty where you lead with your helmet, thats something the player can decide not to do.

Agree. The fact that Smith had earlier run to the sidelines and then cut back in for additional yardage also doesn't help the Bucs here.

[gstelmack]

No comments on Boldin getting away with the push-off on the key 3rd-down conversion late?

[TroyF]

Hope the Giant is ok, but that play right there goes into what I am talking about. Keep your head up, that doesn't happen. Lower your dome, and you take a chance on hurting yourself and the players around you. If the Cowboy doesn't duck there, that's 15 yards for them.

[hoopsguy]

Sigh - so Cowboys. Giants have 10 on field, confused as heck (like Cowboys were on Cruz TD pass) and Dallas not only has WR drop ball but pick up a holding call. This team can be so frustrating to watch.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

No comments on Boldin getting away with the push-off on the key 3rd-down conversion late?

I caught the play. Even DVR'd it back a few times. It could have been called.

[Coffee Warlord]

Uh oh, Cowboys fans.

[Lathum]

Romo staying down.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

No comments on Boldin getting away with the push-off on the key 3rd-down conversion late?

I saw it as soon as it happened but didnt have the time to argue the point with all the niners fans.

[Lathum]

Considering the way this game has gone I am elated the Giants are only down 3.

[RedKingGold]

It was a close call, but Pereira did say it was not OPI:

Twitter / MikePereira: No, not OPI on Boldin

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by tucker rocky

Is it KC, Rams or both?

Just Rams.

[mauchow]

Mike is wrong a lot...

[RedKingGold]

There were missed calls on both sides of the GBY-SFO game, I don't think any one call or missed call significantly changed the outcome.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by mauchow

Mike is wrong a lot...

Not saying he's right or wrong, but it supports it was a close call.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

There were missed calls on both sides of the GBY-SFO game, I don't think any one call or missed call significantly changed the outcome.

Not even the one where SF got an extra play and scored a TD as a result?

[Danny]

Does Romo look like he will come back? I am just following game online so didnt see it

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Not even the one where SF got an extra play and scored a TD as a result?

They would have went for it on 4th down anyway, I doubt they kick the field goal there (which is why McCarthy took the penalty in the first place to move it to 3rd and 6 instead of 4th and 1).

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Danny

Does Romo look like he will come back? I am just following game online so didnt see it

Yes. He's coming back.

[Coffee Warlord]

Apparently just had the wind knocked out of him. Wouldn't be surprised if he bruised some ribs too, though.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Not even the one where SF got an extra play and scored a TD as a result?

lol

[Lathum]

Lets hope Eli is done channeling his inner Brandon Weeden

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Lets hope Eli is done channeling his inner Brandon Weeden

Isn't this just how he is in the regular season? I'd think you'd be used to it by now.

[dubb93]

I feel bad for this RB.

[Lathum]

Wilson needs to be benched until he learns to hold onto the ball.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Lathum

couldn't sleep, did I miss anything?

Just got done watching Breaking Bad, did I miss anything?

[Lathum]

Giants are gonna get murdered by the Broncos next week.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

They would have went for it on 4th down anyway, I doubt they kick the field goal there (which is why McCarthy took the penalty in the first place to move it to 3rd and 6 instead of 4th and 1).

Ah. Go it. Of course.

[Crapshoot]

Holy hell this is hilarious.

[Lathum]

This is the worst Giants game I have seen in 20 years, and I was at the game where Eli threw 4 first half INTs against the Vikings, 3 pick sixes.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Pretty good weekend of football. Both the Lions and Michigan win and I had a nice setup with the Lions game on the TV with the Red Zone channel playing on my monitor from the TV upstairs. Solid coverage.

A few observations from the Lions game:

- The Lions are still the Lions. They will make dumb plays and will be infuriating. The stupid personal foul on the pick six, holding on 4th and 1, Brandon Petigrew in general, some personal fouls and all of that.

- When the Lions went 10-6 two years ago a big part of that was Jahvid Best. Their record with him in the line-up and without was pretty stark. Reggie Bush adds that element to their offense. It was good to see.

- The first play of the season aside, the defensive line looked great. The backfield... Not so much.

- I am still not sure about the first touchdown being called back. Calvin caught the ball, had two feet down and the ball crossed the plane of the endzone in his hands. I thought that was enough. That crossing the plane of the endzone was it. Oh well.