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Yeah, I think many people at least have heard of the Raven or Pit or Usher since they have been used in popular culture at one time or another.
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It's a novella. It rides the line between short story and novel. I leaned toward the fact it is most commonly read as a short story, and in comparison to most of Dickens' other works, which were to put it lightly somewhat voluminous, it is short indeed. Once again, I admit I am pushing the category limits to maximise my choices and have, IMO, a much more profound and compelling list. It will be the judgment of the voters if I have stretched that credibility too far. I have now selected arguable category "stretches" for all three of my choices thus far.
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I went with Cask because it represented a departure from standard crime stories. The narrator is the killer, but there never was an investigation. You have to try and deduce a motive yourself, and the whole time reading the story, you aren't sure if he is insane and if he is actually going to go through with his plan.
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I disagree, although I can definitely see where you are coming from. There are far better known works by Poe. That said, the Cask of Amontillado is, IMO, a personally representative work by Poe. Anyone who has read Poe and knows his life story, you know there was a bit of darkness to his soul and it was reflected in his writing. I'm not going to say he was evil, just very troubled. He saw too clearly the evils of the world around him, had the ability and talent to write about it eloquently and the lack of control to "pull back." IMO, the Cask of Amontillado contains one of the most heinous individual acts, sealing someone behind a brick wall, like burying them alive. I can think of few more horrifying and long drawn out ways to die. So the Cask, IMO, is amazing. Poe (if you can't tell) is one of my favorite authors, and I debated all weekend whether I would select the Raven for Poem or The Tell-Tale Heart for Short Story or some of the other selections. I was certain that in making the choices I did, I would end up foregoing Poe. I didn't expect it to be the very next pick, though, cartman.
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About the poem part, right? I still nailed it as Short Story?
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I think Cask is probably my favorite Poe work, esentially for the reasons Cartman argues. The other ones listed all seem a little too popular, although it does seem strange to frame that as a drawback.
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exactly. IMO the point of these drafts is to appeal to the masses. If you hit a point where you say screw it, I am in this for myself I think you aren't participating in the true spirt. Thats not to say you shouldn't pick your own favorites, but when it is so obviously a wrong pick then thats what I am talking about Last edited by Lathum : 02-24-2008 at 05:24 PM. |
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In that respect, yes, I agree. I have already passed up favorites to go with more well-known selections. For instance, A Christmas Carol is not my favorite Dickens work, and I don't read the Bible every day.
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Is "Cask" really not that well known? I really thought is was a tossup choosing between the short stories I listed. As I mentioned in my post, I thought about "The Raven", but as a poem I don't think it was that strong a pick. So I went to the short stories.
As I thought about it, Tell-Tale Heart, Fall of the House of Usher, and Pit and Pendulum seemed a little formulaic. They all contained someone going crazy for different reasons. Tell-Tale Heart, the guy is convinced that he hears the still beating heart of the person he dismembered, in Fall the guy dies of his own terror, and in Pit and the Pendulum the guy is terrified of the hole in the middle of room and blade swinging above him, and his brain is mush, more than likely as a result of the torture of the Spanish Inquisition. But in Cask, the narrator calmly recants the whole story many years later, and seems to be completely rational, even though what he did was clearly the work of a madman. He feels his actions were warranted to right a wrong done to him by (not so) Fortunato. This was the inspiration for other literary madmen, who I won't name in case someone is planning on choosing one of these titles later on. To me, these reasons warranted this pick over the other titles.
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I guess we must have cleared out cronin's list.
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I'm not sure it's a great fit in the sci-fi category, but getting 1984 this late is a steal.
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Not sure I wouldn't have selected Animal Farm instead. Certainly not for scifi, of course (but from amongst Orwell's works).
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FWIW, I considered taking Cask back in Round 2, so I think the pick was a solid one.
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I posted cronin's pick?
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3.3 Dune, Frank Herbert, Series
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Of course, this is, like the Foundation series, one of those seminal scifi picks, and on that level, excellent choice.
Still, he placed it in series, which brings the crap in at the back end of the series. Not as impressive. I honestly would have picked Dune itself and put it in scifi/fantasy, rather than selecting the whole series.
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Yeah I think Dune would be an extremely solid pick as a Sci Fi/Fantasy book, but as a series I think it's a poor choice.
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IMO, the first one is an amazing book and one of my favourites, but even the second book is a major step downwards. I didn't finish the 3rd book, and haven't touched the others.
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Fiction - 1.4 Hamlet, by William Shakespeare
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nice one maple...that takes care of H.G. Wells just when I was thinking of something there...
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My only issue with the Poe pick is when it was. I was actually considering using that or the Tell-Tale Heart later.
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Actually, I'd like to go on record as echoing some of the recent love for the pick. Cask is my favorite Poe work by quite a stretch. The narrative is so composed, at least on the surface, and so matter-of-fact as the build up and execution of the crime unfold... shudder. I love that Fortunato's supposed insult is never revealed. A horrible story, in a good way! |
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And re: Dune series, they drop off in quality precipitiously after the original. Dune itself is so good though, and the universe of the books so expansive and well fleshed out, that I got through Children and God Emperor with quite a bit of enjoyment, as I recall (this was many years ago). I attempted the next two and couldn't close the deal, though. Awful.
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Erm, I think I mistepped. Children was II, and Messiah III, and God Emperor Iv, right? Anyhoo, at some point it devolved into dreck at the midpoint of book IV, whatever the title was.
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I was considering Grimm's Fairy Tales myself. Great selection.
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Since I don't pick again until late 4th round, I didn't think he would still be on the board by then. It seems my pick is either a love it or hate it pick.
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