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Right Chief because you are never arrogant or condescending in any of your posts ![]() I just made a statement about him just caring about the national title and you inferred what you did from that. That's a stretch. Last edited by Dr. Sak : 11-18-2009 at 11:26 PM. |
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Uhm... No. I'm not arguing with Rain that he is wrong. I think my (and the last handful of other poster's) posts are to let him know that there is way, way more to college football than worrying about who wins the championship. I think it is awesome now and I'd think it was awesome if there was a (small) tourney at the end of the season, too. Realistically, though, if there is a tournament or not I (and most other fans) will still enjoy going to my team's home (and a handful of away) games with my friends and family that are alums, still follow the Big East conference games, still root against ACC teams doing well, still watch and root against Virginia Tech/Michigan/Notre Dame/Pitt/etc., still watch as many games per week as I possibly can, still be excited and watch rivalry games, and still have some semblance of satisfaction if my team wins its bowl game. There is very little difference in my enjoyment of the sport, regardless of the method a national championship is awarded. I'm fine with the BCS putting the top 2 ranked teams together for a championship game and I'd be fine with the top 4 ranked teams playing together for a championship -- either way, the 3rd best or 5th best team is going to be left out. In nearly all years, that is not going to be WVU or about 105 other teams, so it really isn't something that causes me to lose sleep. |
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College basketball might not have "games that matter" all season long, but the matchups are infinitely more interesting during the non-conference season, because teams can test themselves knowing it's not going to torpedo their post-season chances.
Bowl games are only marginally interesting because you sometimes get cool matchups between teams that rarely/never play each other and that can be fun to see how they stack up. So while the matchups are interesting to diehard fans and those who get to tune in, the average fan who lives in a place that's not crazed, didn't go to a FBS institution or root for a team that stinks are on the outside and the season pretty much ends from Day 1. That's not an argument for a playoff, necessarily, but I don't think playoff proponents care about what SEC/Pac-10/B10/B12 team has an annual claim to the "national championship" they want to see good matchups, interesting battles and if it means that there's a Cinderella every few years? All the more interesting. It's about the drama, not the end result. But honestly, the current system is better than any playoff they can concoct, because that'll surely (as has been said by others) just reinforce the notion that other conferences are preeminent and make it harder for second-tier leagues to get a whiff of it. The outcry, coupled with the performance of the non-BCS schools relative performance in BCS games has shamed voters into ignoring their resumes and rewarding performance on the field, by and large. I prefer that over some sham system that forces them to jump through more hoops, unless we get a system that really does allow for better regular season matchups. Go Chattanooga. |
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Yeah, I was trying to distance myself from Rain's (IMO) extremist stance because I don't agree with that. I see the trend towards it, though. Perhaps it's silly to say most games don't matter, but it's not silly to say most games matter very little. Did Ohio State-Penn State matter last weekend, in the bigger scheme of things? Yup, one of the bigger games of the year. But it's hard for me to care. Because going in, I didn't think either team would make the title game, so they're just playing for a spot in a "championship-meaningless" bowl game that will only get their own fans and some ardent hardcore college football fans excited. Now recast that game as a pivotal game for the Big Ten's one spot in the playoff, and that game becomes a lot more interesting to me. Now one of those teams might make it into the playoff, and might end up with a shot at the title. Point is, a playoff may make some games meaningless, but it can than provide value to other games that are now meaningless. Plus, you argue about six teams having spots locked up, and now their games are meaningless. Even if I accept that argument (and not entirely sure I do 100%), the fact is that the meaningful games still exist--only now they are played in the playoffs. Those games aren't even being played right now, but they would be of tremendous interest. I would watch start to finish 100 quarter final games in a playoff system before I would watch more than 15 minutes of a non-title game Rose Bowl that didn't involve a team I had a stake in. At this point, college football doesn't really have my viewership or interest, except for the handful of games UCLA is playing, and some of the other conference schools and rooting against South Central. Oh, and stick a dagger in my heart, Sak. That wasn't UCLA ruining Miami's chances (Cade McNown, Edgerrin James). See 1998 BCS race. ![]() And, yeah, I am resigned to the fact that the people who most vehemently object to the concept of the college football playoff system are the ones holding the cards right now and those of us who want change are left out in the cold. ![]()
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If you don't care about it now, why would a tournament make you more interested in caring about who wins the Big 10. As you well know, the Rose Bowl matches the champion or an elite team from your favorite conference against the champion or an elite team from the Big 10. If that doesn't interest you already, why would seeing the 3rd or 4th place Big 10 team play against the #1 or #2 ranked team in the country (in a 16 team tournament)? |
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See bold. Obviously you missed this post. I don't excuse myself from doing the same thing. It's wrong when I do it, and wrong when you do it. And I don't think it's a stretch. Your post I quoted before was all about "my way is better than your way so go watch meaningless games in the NFL if that's what you like nyah nyah". It's that kind of presumption of superiority that I am talking about. It's annoying and very close minded to those who disagree with you. And as I also said, we all do it, and I wish we wouldn't.
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I disagree because it was said how the NFL has more meaningful games but by the time you get to weeks 15-17 there are very few meaningful games. It's the truth whether I stick my tongue out when I say it or not. ![]() |
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Oh, and I will say, this is probably one of those moments where the Internet is its usual inconsistent and vague medium. I don't for one second think Brian thinks Rain's opinions are squat. Brian has a lot of great opinions and passion about college football, and I love that. I'm just saying, from my perspective, perhaps standing on a point in disagreement on an issue, there is to me the perception of a bit of an arrogance to a response like that. And it's the type of thing we see in all Internet arguments, about football, politics, the actual date of the coming zombie apocalypse, etc.
Every year I see these sorts of arguments break down into nastiness/bitterness/etc. with no one changing the other's minds, and I think one of the primary reasons is that we all are so entrenched in our own ideas, we're not as open to the concepts put forth by others as we could be. And just want to note I am entirely guilty of this, too, probably even done it in this thread.
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1) I don't always express my points well with the written word. That's why I podcasted. 2) I can be a bit of a dick (but I at least admit it) ![]() Last edited by Dr. Sak : 11-18-2009 at 11:47 PM. |
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And that's where we may differ. As I said earlier, I certainly don't buy in to Rain's stance wholesale because that would be a lie. I can watch a college football game between any two teams, meaning or not, and get enjoyment from it purely for the game itself, because I love football, I love the passion in college sports, and the anything can happen sorta atmosphere when you get a bunch of essentially kids playing a game with high stakes and emotion, but who aren't physically and mentally mature enough to be true professionals at it. I do still get enjoyment out of the current football system, even games not involving teams I follow (or hate). But I would also be lying to say that my general interest in the other conferences would jump ten fold if it led to a playoff system.
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Because the playoff creates a more significant value to me in that one Big Ten spot that is for certain available. At that point, those teams are playing for a spot that could get them a national title. And that is far more significant to me than who wins the Rose Bowl (non-title version). I might care a little more on a personal level, of course, if UCLA was also possibly going to the Rose Bowl, but of course, at this point in time, that's not a factor (sadly). A playoff gets me more interested even when teams I don't have a stake in are involved. And I think there's a disconnect there between bowl proponents and playoff proponents, because bowl proponents are happy enough as is, and don't see a playoff as something that will get them more interested. They can't see the void playoff proponents see, so it's a "they don't know what they're missing" kinda thing. And, hey, if you're a bowl proponent, that's great for you. But for playoff proponents, it's a little sad, because we want to have more interest, but, well, it's just harder for us to get involved if we don't think it matters.
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Yeah, I can see the straight fact of that. I think it comes down to the imperfect medium of the Internet. It makes it harder to read the true intended meanings without all of the unspoken communication that goes on in a direct conversation. That's not meant to concede the meaningless games point, though. I would argue there are as many meaningless games in college football--early and late--as there are in the NFL (as a percentage, of course).
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Ditto to both points for myself. I, however, lack the technical skills to podcast, so you guys will have to wade your way through what I mean and what I seem to mean to determine if I'm making a reasonable point or am just being a bit of a dick. ![]() I found most people would rather not go through the trouble, so they just assume I am being a dick. ![]()
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Heh...no worries, BTW. I knew what you were driving at. Stupid Bob Toledo defense.
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I think it is easy to say that now, but, in a 16-team playoff, is an opening round set of games like Cincy vs Oklahoma State, TCU vs Iowa, Georgia Tech vs Ohio State, or Pitt vs LSU playoff game really going to interest you anymore than, say the current Orange Bowl or Sugar Bowl set up does? I'm guessing you aren't calling off work to watch any of those games if you aren't currently interested in watching the BCS games. If you go to a smaller tournament, like 4-teams, I think that would be fine -- but then we're leaving out Boise State and probably TCU (I think Cincy passes them if they both stay undefeated) again and will likely have the Alabama/Florida loser in ahead of all Boise State/TCU/Cincy. If a one-loss SEC team wins the championship here, are they the champion over an undefeated Boise State/TCU/Cincy? If you go 8-teams, are we just taking the top 8 highest ranked BCS teams? Because right now, there is a decent chance that the Pac 10 (the overall best conference this season) and B10 are getting shut out, with the ACC a Georgia Tech slip up away from being out. Or, if we take the 6 BCS conference champs + 2, are we leaving out the Alabama/Florida loser in favor of TCU or Boise State? I don't think the BCS is perfect, but it doesn't prevent me from enjoying the season and following for all the reasons I listed above. I just don't see how any of the tournament options do not have just as big of warts as the current one. |
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Actually yes, maybe I'm wierd but it has direct national championship implications. Barring a scenario where both teams in the NC game look like total crap and the #3 or #4 team looks so good in their bowl they have a chance to pass #1 in the human polls, right now the current bowl setup has me having very little interest in the other BCS bowls if USC (or a team I know a lot about like UCLA or Oregon) isn't playing in it. Call me a crappy fan or a fan with a low attention span, but I watch games that have championship implications. I watch the NFL playoffs religiously even if the Chargers aren't involved. College football bowls that aren't my team and don't have championship implications - meh. If there is a 16 team playoffs and you take roughly the 16 teams in the country that have the best shot at winning the championship (allowing some concessions for conference winners that may be slightly weaker than other teams that didn't win their conference in some years, I'm perfectly OK with that) I'm watching every game. Last edited by bhlloy : 11-19-2009 at 12:34 AM. |
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I don't even need a playoff. I just want good games. I don't want to see the best team in the nation with the best player in the nation schedule Florida International, Troy, and Charleston. I don't want to have to wait till January before Cincinnati and Texas are forced to play a top school. We are likely going to see a Texas Longhorn team in the championship game that will have one win over a top 25 team all season. And that's the problem with the system. It's built not to play your way into a championship, it's to just not screw up. It's to pad your schedule lightly enough so that you are never threatened in out-of-conference play and then to just survive the one or two tests you'll get in conference play. A powerhouse like Florida has not left the state of Florida in almost 20 years to play a non-conference game. And the result of this is typically untested teams playing in a National Championship they don't belong in. Since 1998, 7 of the 11 games have been decided by double digits. You have teams like the 2006 and 2007 Ohio State Buckeyes making it when they had no business being there (and the results showed). A 2004 Oklahoma Sooners team who got in over a much better Auburn squad and rightfully get slaughtered. I just want a system that has teams having to win big games to get into the championship. So that the teams in the championship game are not the ones that didn't get upset, but the ones that beat some great teams to get there. The system is built for teams to avoid risk at all cost when risk is what adds the drama to the sport. But the proof is in the pudding. Look at this weeks schedule and tell me what games you are excited about. Which games have a big imapct on the national title picture and you wouldn't miss it? Look at the 10 headlines in the college football section on ESPN. 7 are about coaches, 1 is about some redshirt freshman on a bad football team getting arrested, another on Penn State's season ticket prices, and finally one game related story about an injury to a player. 1 out of 10 stories pertains to an actual game or player that has played. No Heisman talk, no previews of big matchups, no analysis of a great game from the week before. That is what happens when you don't have a lot of interesting stuff going on on the field. You're left with debating head coaches instead of actual games and players. |
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I think I've watched every NFL playoff game over the last 10 years. I would not have any interest in seeing them airing a consolation game for 5th place. |
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Please explain how the 2006 Ohio State team did not deserve to be in the national title game.
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You talk about 4-11 teams vs. 10-5 teams as if it helps your argument, but that just proves ours. There are maybe 4-5 games that matter in week 17 of the NFL, and both those 4-11 teams haven't played for anything in at least 3 weeks. In college you'd still have rivalries and teams fighting to make a bowl game. Not to mention the Patriots have been beaten soundly by the main division rival, and lost 2 gut-wrenching games we were winning in the 4th quarter against 2 huge conference rivals.... and while each one sucked I've shook them off an hour after the game because they've barely affected our position to compete for the title. Meanwhile ND has lost 4 games in the final minute, I'm apopleptic, and the whole country is trying to fire our coach. You tell me which games matter more there. Quote:
TCU-Wyoming (who I saw give Texas a game for the 1st half this year and gives a chance to compare the 2 vs. a common opponent) Wisconsin-Northwestern (potential BCS vs. potential ND coach) Duke-Miami (can Duke make a bowl? will Miami live up to potential?) UNC-BC (2 underrated teams; possible ACC title game ramifications) Virginia-Clemson (same) Mississippi St-Arkansas (2 interesting teams that have played great at times) Kansas St-Nebraska (to decide who plays Texas in the B12CG, and whether KSU makes a bowl) I'm sorry if none of those 16 games interest you, but I really question how much more interest you or CR would have in them if a playoff were in place. Quote:
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You're second paragraph is even more absurd. As I've pointed out in past posts every year there haven't been 2 undefeated teams there's a debate on who gets in, and every year it goes to the team with the tougher schedule. Undefeated SEC teams have lost out when 1 more good OOC game would have gotten them in, 1-loss Big 12/SEC/PAC-10/Big 10 teams have lost out when 1 more good OOC game would have gotten them in. And you somehow still claim/think that an 8/16 team playoff will increase the incentive for the powerhouse top 5 programs to schedule dangerous OOC games instead of scheduling cupcakes and finishing the season with 1-2 conference losses. When LSU (2 losses in conference, hardest OOC game Washington) would get in over Oklahoma (same 2 losses in conference, but also losses to BYU and Miami OOC). Virginia Tech would probably be out now, but in if they beat a cupcake instead of losing to Alabama OOC. Same with Oregon and Boise St., or Stanford and Wake Forest, or Clemson and TCU, or Oklahoma St and Houston. Quote:
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In college, Oregon (preseason #16) TCU (preseason #17) Iowa (#22) Cincinnati (#33) and Miami (#35) have all been in the title game discussion at times, and Oklahoma, USC, Ole Miss, LSU, Oklahoma St, have all been in the top 5. So it means that in the month of September alone games like Cincinnati-Rutgers, South Carolina-Ole Miss, TCU-Clemson, Iowa-Northern Iowa, Miami-Georgia Tech, Miami-Virginia Tech, BYU-Oklahoma, USC-Washington, Oklahoma St-Houston, Alabama-Arkansas, LSU-Miss St, Boise St-Oregon, Cincinnati-Fresno St, Cincinnati-Oregon St, Florida-Tennessee, Texas-Texas Tech, Oklahoma St-Georgia, Virginia Tech-Alabama, LSU-Georgia, Iowa-Penn St, Notre Dame-Michigan were all fun games to watch with title implications at the time. i.e. games "that matter"(ed), whether you cared about them at the time or not. You can claim using hindsight that most of them won't end up mattering, but that's not the point - we didn't know week 1 that Cincinnati-Rutgers would have more of an effect on the national title race than BYU's huge upset of Oklahoma. Last edited by BishopMVP : 11-19-2009 at 08:09 AM. |
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I would normally say not happening but I don't know which BYU team will show up this season..
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Somewhat agree that being said Air Force is 7-4 with overtime losses at Navy by 3 and Utah by 6 along with a 20-17 loss at TCU. They also lost to Minnesota 2013 a game they led most of the way until the 4th qtr and it was stadium opening for the Gophers. Air Force is the number 2 rushing team and BYU is the number 14 passing team in the national. Both teams have good defenses. I would anticipate the fact the game is at BYU will be the deciding factor. |
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And remember that strength of schedule isn't an end all. If Alabama loses one game all year to the #1 team in the nation, they will probably end up with an SOS in the top 10. Don't they deserve a shot over an undefeated team that has an SOS at 40? If losses are all that matters in this picture, it reiterates my point that this isn't about winning a championship, it's about not losing it. The goal is to make sure your schedule doesn't have any potential losses on it (which is why Florida is playing Florida International and not a major BCS program this week). And finally, SOS is largely based on how well your opponents do. So if Florida goes undefeated and it just so happens that the SEC teams weren't good this year, they get punished. You are not basing the NC game on how well Florida did, but on how well their opponents did against other teams. |
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I'm an FCS fan and alum of one the usual contenders in the SEC of 1AA (UMass/CAA) - and I barely bother paying attention during the regular season. While I do appreciate the merits of the playoff system, the built-in 2/3 loss cushion diminishes every regular season game to the point a loss barely bothers me. Our position in the conference and ay conference race is irrelevant to 99% of the fans as all focus is on whether we'd make the playoffs instead. Anything more than a 4 or possibly 8 team playoff would do the same in FBS. Even those small steps would take drama out of certain big regular season games (i.e. the SEC Championship game where the losing team would almost assuredly make it even with a 4-team playoff.) Quote:
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You have maybe 3-4 teams that have a shot at being in the BCS Championship game right now. That's 4 out of over 50 games that mean something when it comes to the NC. Typically those teams are playing vastly inferior squads (just look at the stellar matchups for the #1 and #2 team this week) and are not the most exciting games. So what excitement do we miss this weekend with a playoff? I would think it would add a ton of drama to the rest of the top 25 teams playing. In fact, if entry into the playoffs was based on automatic bids won by your conference championship, it would add even more to that. I think that beats teams playing for a better position in the consolation games. Quote:
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The BCS is all subjective. I'm sure some voters base it on SOS, some on performance, some on who they want to see (just like in 2006). You're getting upset at me for not picking a standard when the actual voters don't have one in place. If I had a vote, I would put a 1-loss Alabama team over Texas (not sure about TCU). Alabama played in a much tougher conference and actually had the balls to play a decent OOC game (while Texas took the pussy route). I think the system is stupid to put the Championship in the hands of people who have to guess as to who is the better team. But that's what you want, writers over games. Quote:
The NFL slaughters college football in virtually every single TV rating statistic. The average NFL playoff game rating was higher than the rating of any bowl game from last year. In fact, the average regular season football game beat just about every single bowl game too. The Super Bowl gets 4 times the number of viewers the BCS Championship game gets. If by "passion unmatched by any other sport in the US" you mean not watched nearly as much as NFL games, you got it right. Last edited by RainMaker : 11-21-2009 at 03:30 AM. |
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Terrible, terrible, terrible way of comparing the two. The NFL has 32 teams and a maximum number of 16 games per week. NCAA D-1 has what? 119 schools. The number of people watching NCAA football each week beats the NFL hands down. It's not even close. However, that's not what he's he getting at. Have you been to college football game where the team has a big following? You see passion and a gameday experience that just isn't matched by the NFL. I've been to Steelers games. I've been to WVU games. WVU games are something else entirely. A great college game is something I'd strongly encourage every football fan to experience. Last edited by Atocep : 11-21-2009 at 04:42 AM. |
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I've been to the Swamp. I've been to Camp Randall. It is a great experience and there is a lot of passion involved. I also don't think any of that would go away if the championship was decided on the field. In fact, it would probably give a couple more home games to some passionate fans to witness a do or die game (vs a consolation game on a neutral site). People are passionate because they love their schools and the game of football. I don't see empty stadiums in protest that Michael Wilbon doesn't get to decide their championship. Last edited by RainMaker : 11-21-2009 at 06:32 AM. |
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The defining college football play, and what seperates it from the NFL in my mind, is the Bily Cannon punt return against Ole Miss where the fans were going so crazy it registered as an earthquake. I don't want to sound exactly like JiMGA, but this is one place I agree completely with scorched-earth approach - if (the general) you is not already a diehard college football fan, I really have no interest in pleasing you or intent on changing the system so more people might watch - they're not people I want to watch with anyways. I want my fellow fans to be small in number and exceedingly passionate rather than having broad but shallow societal interest. Last edited by BishopMVP : 11-24-2009 at 07:32 AM. |
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