College Football Week 5 Thread

[CU Tiger]

its gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood

[ISiddiqui]

DOWN goes Florida!!

[timmynausea]

Man. What a day.

[KevinNU7]

Well Washington has a chance against USC after USC throws an INT in the endzone up by 7 when they should have ran the ball and gotten the 3 points.

[k0ruptr]

nerves of steel by that freshman kicker.

[KevinNU7]

Is there some kind of post game event in Florida? Everyone is jsut hanging around

[k0ruptr]

reversed. aand now this game is over

[KevinNU7]

INT overturned and USC hits the FG

[ISiddiqui]

Wow... blocked punt and Wsahington is within a FG with 30 seconds left. Now for the onside kick.

[Eaglesfan27]

USC recovers the onside kick.

[k0ruptr]

USC escapes ... still what a crazy week in the top 25.

[Blade6119]

Arizona State is up 21-3 at the half, looking solid so far according to my buddies who drove to cali and are watching live

[Blade6119]

ASU is now up 41-3 over Stanford, the same Stanford that hung up 33 against Oregon last week. Im slowly starting to get excited about this team like i have been Mizzou. Both of my teams are undefeated and scoring at will.

[k0ruptr]

The Pac 10 has to be the best offensive conference in the nation

Oregon
Cal
Arizona St.
USC
UCLA

all are capable of putting 50 on the field any day imo

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by k0ruptr

The Pac 10 has to be the best offensive conference in the nation

Oregon
Cal
Arizona St.
USC
UCLA

all are capable of putting 50 on the field any day imo

I think the big 12 is easily the best offensive conference:

*rankings are before the current week, but only OU should slide...TT threw up 70 points, and Kansas and mizzou had off

Texas Tech(#2 in the nation)
OU(#3)
Kansas(#4)
Mizzou(#5...4 of the top 5!)
Nebraska(#14)
Texas(#27)
Okl State(#31)

Compare that with the Pac:
Oregon(#7)
USC(#23)
Arizona State(#28)
Oregon State(#29)
UCLA(#33)
Stanford(#38)
Cal(#40)

Now, thats total offense...if you look at scoring, the PAC 10 is a little closer...but the Big 12 still puts it to shame.

[Wolfpack]

How soon is too soon to call for a coach to be fired? Evidently, it's not five games into his first season. Some State fans are already ready for a new head coach to replace Tom O'Brien after our disaster of a football team lost 29-10 to Louisville today, the same Louisville team that gave up 38 to Syracuse, who in turn got beat by Miami (OH) today.

People are beginning to make "historically bad" comparisons right now, especially with the incredibly inept Tom Reed teams of 1983-1985 that went 3-8 three years running before Reed got tossed. It does become plain at this point that either O'Brien is not much better than Amato in utilizing the current roster talent (such as it is) or Amato's recruiting had become so outrageously bad in the last couple of years that it's really coming home to roost this year and O'Brien is doing the best he can with the hand he's got. This will not be a one-year turnaround like it was going from Reed to Dick Sheridan, who took largely the same 3-8 team from 1985 and turned it into an 8-3-1 Peach Bowl team in 1986. That was clearly going from a crap coach to a good coach. This is not so clearly divined at this point, but obviously some people have already made up their minds.

[k0ruptr]

wow Kansas at #4 in the country in total offense, lol.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by k0ruptr

wow Kansas at #4 in the country in total offense, lol.

Have you checked them out? They are possibly the most impressive team in the nation so far. I mean, no opponent has even come close to playing with them. Name another team who has beaten their opponents, no matter who they are, like kansas has(and thats tough for me to say, as i hate them).

[k0ruptr]

I havent seen em play yet, just noticed the scores. but impressive for sure.

I just loled because Kansas and #4 in total offense just dont fit right (usually)

[digamma]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

No way your ends are "much superior" Ours are Sophs (Merling a RS and Sapp a true) and both will be in the NFL in 1 more year, likely both 1st rounders...at least according to Kiper.

The reason GT had so much pressure is they rush 5 or 6 EVERY play, they neever use a 4 man front, tenuda never has.

Clemson on the other hand uses mostly 3 man fronts while dropping a DE into the flats for coverage

Maybe much was too strong a word, but the GT end tandem is much stronger than you are giving it credit for. Merling had a very good game today.

I haven't re-watched the game, but most of Tech's blitzes today were delays. We obviously blitz a lot and bring five or six. But the last two weeks we've blitzed less. And the reason why Harper got lit up as much as he did on those blitzes was because the RB pick up was having to help on the DEs. When you re-watch the game, I think that's what you'll see.

[dawgfan]

Washington has displayed an amazing knack for blowing opportunities so far this season (first against Ohio State, then against UCLA, now USC). You look at the final stats and it would be easy to think the Huskies got lucky to only lose by 3. In a way, I suppose that's right, but they also blew enough opportunities that it feels like quite a disappointment that we lost by 3.

First, Locker overthrows a wide-open WR in the end zone. We're talking, all he has to do is lob a wounded duck that doesn't go out of bounds and it's a TD kind of wide open - yet Jake puts too much mustard on it and overthrows him (something he did all night, including misfires on a few different passes in the 4th qtr to open WR's that could've scored or gotten close to the end zone). Should've been 7-0 Huskies at that point.

Next, Anthony Russo, after fair-catching punts all game decides on the punt with the most amount of Trojans near him to not fair catch and gets stripped of the ball after the UW has held USC and are down just 7 in the 4th Qtr.

Last, Byron Davenport somehow bobbles a completely uncontested interception that's right to him in the end zone, when making that catch keeps the score at 24-17 and would give the UW the ball with 3 minutes to go only needing 1 score to potentially tie or go for 2 and win.

USC is certainly the more talented team, and the UW has some major flaws - Locker really needs to work on his accuracy, the UW still has no real running game outside of Locker, and our defense (especially against the run) needs serious work. But that game was there for the taking, and the UW just couldn't take advantage.

Oh, and John David Booty is not a Heisman winner - he looked very, very ordinary out there, especially considering all the tools at the skill positions he has to work with and the ability of his offensive line. Sorry EF27, your team is great and might win the NC, but Booty shouldn't be a serious Heisman candidate.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Oh, and John David Booty is not a Heisman winner - he looked very, very ordinary out there, especially considering all the tools at the skill positions he has to work with and the ability of his offensive line. Sorry EF27, your team is great and might win the NC, but Booty shouldn't be a serious Heisman candidate.

Did/does anyone think John David Booty is/was a serious Heisman candidate before tonight? I guess he could have won the "Gino Torreta, QB on a #1 team" vote, but the guy is quite obviously the 4th or 5th most talented player on his own offense. (Then again, I really dislike USC, and will be rooting for LSU the next 3 months.)

[terpkristin]

Wow, Terps pulled it out.
I ended up leaving my apartment at around 6:30 so missed the last part of the game. I think the Terps were up by 3 when I left, but I don't remember. I just figured that when I got to the DC meet up, I'd find out the Terps lost. Boy, was I happily surprised. Still, I don't understand the Terps. We play like a mediocre team at best against the teams that really don't matter ('Nova, etc). Our offense plays like a JV high school team vs. WVU but our defense really helps us out. We totally give away the game vs Wake, and then we come out and pull out a win? What I would give for some consistency..

/tk

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Oh, and John David Booty is not a Heisman winner - he looked very, very ordinary out there, especially considering all the tools at the skill positions he has to work with and the ability of his offensive line. Sorry EF27, your team is great and might win the NC, but Booty shouldn't be a serious Heisman candidate.

Last night was the worst I've seen Booty play all year. He was inaccurate, he made one or two really poor decisions, and I agree with you that IF he plays like that in any other game this year, he does not deserve to win the Heisman. If this ends up being his worst game, and he plays like he did last week more often, then I can see where he is a serious Heisman candidate particularly with so many others also stumbling this week.

I agree with the rest of your post as well. USC played one of its worst games offensively and made way too many stupid penalties, and Washington easily could have won if Locker took advantage of some of the opportunities such as the wide open receiver early in the game. Once, he develops some accuracy, Washington is going to be a dangerous team.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

-I still have no clue why Texas is ranked #4. They are not a top 5 team.

Originally Posted by cartman

WOOT! Based on his track record of making predictions, that means Texas will win the championship!!!

Big 12 South looking good in regular season........

[duckman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Big 12 South looking good in regular season........

Those two Big XII North teams have something that Mizzou does not: defense.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by duckman

Those two Big XII North teams have something that Mizzou does not: defense.

I can't decide if I want OU to win or lose next week. They play Mizzou in two weeks. If they lose vs. TX, they'd be 0-2 with serious doubts. If they win, they might be overconfident coming off the win. Thankfully, MU has NU coming into town next week, so no worries of looking forward to OU. MU has to take care of getting ahead in the B12 North first. Nebraska wasn't all that impressive until pulling away late yesterday. Their slow defense is primed for a beating at MU.

[Ajaxab]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Oh, and John David Booty is not a Heisman winner - he looked very, very ordinary out there, especially considering all the tools at the skill positions he has to work with and the ability of his offensive line. Sorry EF27, your team is great and might win the NC, but Booty shouldn't be a serious Heisman candidate.

I was thinking about how good this guy really is last night. USC's offensive line gives him an incredible amount of time. It just seems as though he has all day to throw the ball. He got sacked on the play action fake once last night and had to get out of the pocket on another occasion, but that was pretty much it. How many other quarterbacks around the country could replicate what Booty is doing given the time he has to throw the ball? I would suspect that quite a few could come pretty close, if not equal or surpass what he does. Booty just doesn't convince.

[Swaggs]

Who is the Heisman front runner, at this point?

McFadden's team has already lost twice and still have some tough teams left to play.

Slaton/White no-showed against USF and WVU's loss pretty much eliminates them.

Brohm is putting up huge numbers, but the Cards are not winning.

Brennan is putting up huge numbers against patsies during gametimes when no one is watching.

Ray Rice is putting up pretty solid, but not spectacular numbers and Rutgers getting upset this week kind of puts him out.

DeSean Jackson's team is having a great year and he has a couple of highlight reel plays, but he has only had one game where he has had more than 50 yards receiving and he isn't leading his own team in receiving yards.

Tebow had a chance to play the role of the hero yesterday with a late drive, but couldn't manage to move the ball and the Gators lost.

Matt Ryan has been very good when he is on and his team is doing very well, but he has had two pretty bad games already this season.

JDB is in position, but he hasn't "looked" the part, to me, yet.

I'm wondering if someone like PJ Hill might pull into the picture or, even, Michael Hart if Michigan goes on a streak to finish the year.

[larrymcg421]

If Michigan wins out on the back of Mike Hart, I think he'll win the Heisman. He's the only player that really came out from those two losses unscathed.

People are mentioning Andre Woodson of Kentucky, but he's played very weak competition (as far as pass defense) so far. It will be interesting to see how he does in the brutal three game stretch he has coming up.

Brennan threw 5 picks yesterday and that may have done him in, although realistically everyone will be waiting for his final two games to make a decision on him.

[Tigercat]

LSU moves to #1 in AP, USC stays at #1 in coaches.

Shades of '03, only the opposite. I would love to finally have a USC LSU BCS Championship game; but its a looooonnnnnnnngggggg season left to go of course.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

If Michigan wins out on the back of Mike Hart, I think he'll win the Heisman. He's the only player that really came out from those two losses unscathed.

People are mentioning Andre Woodson of Kentucky, but he's played very weak competition (as far as pass defense) so far. It will be interesting to see how he does in the brutal three game stretch he has coming up.

Brennan threw 5 picks yesterday and that may have done him in, although realistically everyone will be waiting for his final two games to make a decision on him.

You will start to see other guys pop up, unlikely as they seem if their teams keep winning. Grothe could become a nice sleeper, Painter if they pull a few upsets, woodson was already mentioned. Hell, Crabtree and Maclin have the stats to be their, but there both freshman. I think it will end up with someone like hart or mcfadden, but you could see a sleeper steal it if their teams win their conference

[Eaglesfan27]

If Wisconsin keeps winning, I like Hill's chances. He only had 1 relatively poor game against Washington State. He is 5th in rushing yards per game right now and 2nd in rushing TD's.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Wolfpack

How soon is too soon to call for a coach to be fired? Evidently, it's not five games into his first season. Some State fans are already ready for a new head coach to replace Tom O'Brien after our disaster of a football team lost 29-10 to Louisville today, the same Louisville team that gave up 38 to Syracuse, who in turn got beat by Miami (OH) today.

People are beginning to make "historically bad" comparisons right now, especially with the incredibly inept Tom Reed teams of 1983-1985 that went 3-8 three years running before Reed got tossed. It does become plain at this point that either O'Brien is not much better than Amato in utilizing the current roster talent (such as it is) or Amato's recruiting had become so outrageously bad in the last couple of years that it's really coming home to roost this year and O'Brien is doing the best he can with the hand he's got. This will not be a one-year turnaround like it was going from Reed to Dick Sheridan, who took largely the same 3-8 team from 1985 and turned it into an 8-3-1 Peach Bowl team in 1986. That was clearly going from a crap coach to a good coach. This is not so clearly divined at this point, but obviously some people have already made up their minds.

I think it's pretty clear that Amato ran the talent pool dry. There are only a handful of guys who look like they can play at all. It doesn't help that they essentially do not have a QB on the roster.

I think after the state the program was in, you have to give O'Brien a few years to turn the program around. If they fire O'Brien this year or next, who do they think is going to want to step in here?

[gstelmack]

So, USF has to be the favorite to take the Big East now, right? Louisville is very beatable, and Rutgers should some chinks today. They have to finish what they've started, but a BCS bowl actually looks doable this year...

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

So, USF has to be the favorite to take the Big East now, right? Louisville is very beatable, and Rutgers should some chinks today. They have to finish what they've started, but a BCS bowl actually looks doable this year...

Great as USF has been so far, I'm not sure I'm ready yet just hang the favorite tag on them. Those other teams were pretty darn good last year, and there's lots of opportunities for upsets. I would guess is will come down to USF, WVU and Rutgers and it wouldn't surprise me if L'ville, for as bad as their pass defense has been, that they become a supreme spoiler in this situation.

[Blade6119]

I wouldnt rule out cincy, their playing stellar D and are undefeated(more then most big east teams can say)

[timmynausea]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Great as USF has been so far, I'm not sure I'm ready yet just hang the favorite tag on them. Those other teams were pretty darn good last year, and there's lots of opportunities for upsets. I would guess is will come down to USF, WVU and Rutgers and it wouldn't surprise me if L'ville, for as bad as their pass defense has been, that they become a supreme spoiler in this situation.

That's pretty much exactly how I feel.

[k0ruptr]

Hawaii movin up in the polls.. bam

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I wouldnt rule out cincy, their playing stellar D and are undefeated(more then most big east teams can say)

Good point.

[JeeberD]

The Miners moved to 3-2 and 1-0 in CUSA with a come from behind overtime victory at SMU yesterday. The Miners were down 28-7 late in the second, but scored an late TD to make it a 14 deficit at the half. After recovering an on-side kick to start the second half, we scored another two touchdowns to tie the game at 28. After that, we gave up to more touchdowns to once again be down by 14 in the fourth quarter, but the defense finally stiffened up and the offense put up two more scores, the final one with six seconds to go in regulation.

In overtime, the Miners held the Ponies to a field goal, and when we got the ball it just took three runs for us to put the ball in the endzone for the victory.

This team seemed to find a new identity during the second quarter. Instead of the pass-happy team we've been the past few years (averaged over 300 yards passing per game last year) we've found that we can really run the ball well this year. RB Marcus Thomas became the first Miner to rush for over 200 yards since 1997 with his 207 yards on 35 carries and three TDs. QB/WR Lorne Sam rushed 9 times for 108 yards and two touchdowns, as well as caught five passes for 88 yards. Overall, the team rushed for 300 yards for the first time in god knows how many years, while also passing for a solid 250 from the RS frosh QB Trevor Vittatoe.

Hopefully this can be a defining win for us and the defense realizes that they can make some plays. We have some tough games coming up soon with Tulsa and Houston coming to El Paso, but if we build on this victory I think we can beat them both.

I'm still hoarse from all the screaming I did yesterday, and I'm solid red from being out in the sun all day. But an extremely exciting Miner victory makes it all worthwhile...

[Z²+]

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/07273/821855-100.stm

Originally Posted by Pittsburgh Post Gazette

Michigan's 14-9 victory over Penn State two weeks ago is under review.

There is a possibility the Wolverines may have to forfeit their Big Ten Conference win against the Nittany Lions because they used an ineligible player.

Artis Chambers, a freshman safety who enrolled at Michigan in January, appeared on special teams in each of the first four games. He had one tackle against Penn State Sept. 22 at Michigan Stadium.

Because it's a Big Ten eligibility issue, Michigan is only facing disciplinary action based on its conference opener against Penn State, according to the Ann Arbor News.

Big Ten spokesman Scott Chipman said today that a subcommittee is looking into the matter and could make a decision within two weeks. Chipman acknowledged that awarding a forfeit to Penn State is an option.

"We're referring all questions to the Big Ten," Penn State spokesman Jeff Nelson said. "We really don't have any additional comment at this point."

Chambers will not play for Michigan again this season, but he will remain on scholarship and continue to practice with the team.

With as bad as PSU looked this weekend, I'm sure they would love to pick up a freebie.

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

I think it's pretty clear that Amato ran the talent pool dry. There are only a handful of guys who look like they can play at all. It doesn't help that they essentially do not have a QB on the roster.

I think after the state the program was in, you have to give O'Brien a few years to turn the program around. If they fire O'Brien this year or next, who do they think is going to want to step in here?

Oh, I don't dispute that, but there's a lot of anger about the football program right now. State hasn't beaten a D-IA opponent since FSU last year. Oddly enough, FSU was one of the few teams Amato could beat on a consisent basis. However, I'm not expecting that trend to continue this week, especially given that as badly as FSU has played at times this year, they're still beating teams. State plays badly and you get the mess you've seen this season. If I bet on games, I'd take the Noles and the points, no matter how big the line.

[Butter]

Few thoughts:

First on Clemson-GT... a typical Tommy Bowden letdown game. He and their offensive coordinator absolutely refuse to adjust to any sort of in game adversity. In the GT game, it was clear that GT was bringing 6 guys on every play... an easy answer to this would have been screens (which normally they LOVE to run), quick slants, and dump off passes to the running back (in Spiller's case, a recipe for touchdowns). What do they do? They continue to run Spiller up the middle, pitch toss sweeps to Davis (completely backwards gameplanning), and throw 25 yard out and go routes that take forever to develop. In addition, they miss 4 FG's and get another punt blocked. Bowden's utter lack of concern at his special teams play is mystifying. The special teams costs them at least one game a year, and this one may have been it, as GT's only touchdown came on a short, 9 yard field following that blocked punt. The commentators were wondering why Tommy is always on the hot seat... there it is. They have ACC championship caliber talent, especially this year, and continually squander it on road losses to teams they should frankly beat.

South Florida #6? Let's not lose our minds here.

What is it with Tommy Tuberville and beating Florida? I don't know, but I love him. Seeing those sad Florida faces made the last sports year just a tiny bit more palatable for this Ohio State fan. Not much, just a bit.

Is Colorado finally turning it around? I thought the home game v. Florida State would tell us, but apparently we had to wait an extra week and see the real mettle of this team. Mere hours before this game, I had the displeasure of flipping past CSTV and watching Trev Alberts (how could someone else give this douche a job?) talk about how no one else this season would even come close to beating Oklahoma. Um, oops.

This weekend is why college football is the greatest sport in the world.

[wade moore]

Hmm... Logan seems to have dissappeared.......

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Z²+

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/07273/821855-100.stm



With as bad as PSU looked this weekend, I'm sure they would love to pick up a freebie.

Leave it to the Pitt man to jab Penn State at the end. Good job!

[Celeval]

Originally Posted by Z²+

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/07273/821855-100.stm



With as bad as PSU looked this weekend, I'm sure they would love to pick up a freebie.

Football Frontier beat you to it by a day. (see Jim's post earlier in the thread)

I bet Notre Dame would, as well.

[Celeval]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

First on Clemson-GT... a typical Tommy Bowden letdown game. He and their offensive coordinator absolutely refuse to adjust to any sort of in game adversity. In the GT game, it was clear that GT was bringing 6 guys on every play... an easy answer to this would have been screens (which normally they LOVE to run), quick slants, and dump off passes to the running back (in Spiller's case, a recipe for touchdowns).

Actually, I don't think the screens in particular would have been terribly effective - just because that 5th guy was a beat behind, and the 6th guy on such a delay. Your standard jailbreak screen would happen before the 5th and 6th made their moves (or, at least before the 6th), and there would have been a distinct chance to recognize.

That said, I agree with the general principle of Bowden not making an adjustment.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Celeval

Football Frontier beat you to it by a day. (see Jim's post earlier in the thread)

I bet Notre Dame would, as well.

I think it is only a B10 rule, so it may not affect the Notre Dame game.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Leave it to the Pitt man to jab Penn State at the end. Good job!

Yeah like they dont have enough problems on their own end after losing 44-14 to Virginia.