01-04-2016, 01:22 PM | #301 |
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#2 is GT, Wash, Miami and Colorado from when we always had co-champs
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01-04-2016, 01:26 PM | #302 |
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Is Oklahoma one for #3?
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01-04-2016, 01:26 PM | #303 |
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Guess not.
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01-04-2016, 01:32 PM | #304 |
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They won the 2000 national championship.
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01-04-2016, 01:36 PM | #305 |
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Yeah, I meant #2, and then I looked it up and their current stadium is just over 80k. So I was wrong in varying, multiple ways.
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Man, we were headed to Arizona to watch the game Monday. But after sitting in an office with a guy listening to ESPN radio all day I have realized I am wasting my time.
Sounds like the best thing for Clemson to do is meet the Tide at mid-field kiss the ring and beg for their very survival since they obviously have no chance in beating this juggernaut. |
01-05-2016, 07:42 PM | #307 |
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Just booked our trip to the CFP! Go Tigers!
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01-06-2016, 12:03 AM | #309 |
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Let's be clear, its the SEC West.
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It really doesn't matter what it takes to get the fans fired up. But Alabama opening as a 7 point favorite in addition to the predictable, numerous, majority media picks of Alabama aren't a figment of someone's imagination. I'm anticipating a great game that could go either way. I think this is far from Saban's best team, but even so if they play a great game they could well win because he always has the talent. Clemson has spent years trying to figure out what it takes to compete on a truly elite level. We'll see if they finally have it down or if this is another disappointment.
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01-06-2016, 09:44 AM | #311 |
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Right and I get that. But what would you set the betting line at? On paper, the Bama athletes are superior to Clemson's. I am not sure how that can be argued, but I am sure someone will. The Bama front 4 matches up very well with the Clemson ground attack. The key is obviously Watson. If he can break containment, complete a few throws, it could neutralize Bama's strength. On the other hand, I am afraid they'll break him in two.
Bama O is not great by any means. But the Clemson D isnt the 85 Bears either. And we still dont know how effective Shaq will be. Coker was very good in beating a very good Sparty defense and if that continues, then Clemson cant just put 8 in the box to stop Henry. The Tiger D played very well against OU, no question. But OU was the worst of the 4 playoff teams. Regardless of what happens, it will be a great season by Clemson. I'm just getting tired of all the anti-SEC crap. |
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01-06-2016, 09:50 AM | #313 |
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I meant it to be directed at message board postings and not the dipshit talking heads at CBS and E!SPN. Maybe thats the trade-off I guess.
I still cant believe I heard Herbie say that Michigan State needs to tear down their program after the latest Bama blowout. So ridiculous and uncalled for. Sparty is close and that game simply got out of hand for them. No need to torch the place. |
01-06-2016, 10:19 AM | #314 |
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Remember how the 2005 USC team was anointed the "greatest team ever" prior to the game against Texas?
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Homer,
My post was in response to listening to an ESPN talking head state "If Clemson keeps it a little closer than MSU that should be considered a moral victory for the Tigers." The best CB Bama will face all year will be Monday night. Mackenzie Alexander hasn't given up a TD catch in 19 games and has given up 1 in 2 years. On a play he fell down. I think it is entirely possible Mac takes Ridley out of the game 1-on-1. If he can do that, and look even limiting him to ~60 yards receiving and 1 TD is taking him away, that frees up an extra man to shade the middle and drop down to help stop Henry. Clemson is nearly as deep across the front 4 as Bama on D. Actually I'd submit Clemson's interior DT is better/deeper than Bama's but Bama DEFINITELY has the edge at DE even with Lawson, who wont play much.(I know this is a bit of a tough comp because Clemson plays an even 4 down front most of the time while Bama plays a lot of 3 down and a result Clemson needs more bodies to fill 2 spots than Bama needs to fill 1). Bama is good but they aren't the 85 Bears either. The 2 B1G wins were against teams that played into Saban's wheelhouse and tried to line up and smash him. You can't line up and smash Bama. However if you make their 260lbn LB'ers chase TE and Slot guys all day... Look at how much trouble UT gave Bama. UT actually runs a more similar offense to Clemson than Ole Miss does, despite Ole Miss having our former 3rd string QB leading the way. UT however doesnt have the horses Clemson has. Look I am not blind homer here. Bama is DAMN good. But so is Clemson. This is going to be a game of momentum. Either team could win and the score could be any of 4 directions. But all the talk of Bama just wearing Clemson down and then drilling them in the 4th quarter....Clemson may do the same to tired Bama LB'ers who have been chasing guys horizontally all game. If I were setting the line, I'd favor Bama by 3'. I think thats right, FWIW. |
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01-06-2016, 12:18 PM | #319 |
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excellent discussion guys. This is why I like coming to this place and chatting especially with CU Tiger. Great discussion and not the OMG!WTF!LOLZ crap i see on college message boards.
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01-06-2016, 12:21 PM | #320 |
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The game was in 2006, 10 years ago this past Monday.
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Sure do. But I also remember Texas being number 2 that entire year, and living here, I got to see those dudes roll through the season in dominant fashion as well. Where everyone short-sighted the Horns was in the athletic ability - they matched up with USC horse-for-horse. Their defense had what, 6-7 NFL starters at that time?!?!?! Having said that, Reggie Bush's dumbass lateral and Pete's inability to recognize VY couldnt throw for shit, just stop him from running, cost them that game. And VY refused to lose Hate that guy but massive respect for him. |
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First line - thats just ridiculous. Did that come straight from Finebaum's jack wagon mouth? My concern for Clemson is that if the Bama front 4 can control the LOS and Ragland is athletic enough to run with Watson. That puts the onus on the Clemson passing game and Watson cant be as off as he was against OU. I am in total agreement that this will be a game of momentum. Hell, if CLemson gets up early on Bama, forcing Coker to beat them. I dont think he can. X Factor will be Cyrus Jones. If he can make some plays on returns and catch a few passes, that would be huge. But if he reverts to his dropping every other punt, that could kill the Tide. And FYI, I'd have Bama by 4-4.5 Last edited by HomerSimpson98 : 01-06-2016 at 12:30 PM. |
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I wouldn't get to jacked up about The MSU victory. Spartys DBs have been average at best all year. I give credit to Bama for gameplanning to expose that. And then following through on that GP. Well done.
But Clemson is no MSU. Clemson is way more athletic and will be better against the pass than MSU. Is Clemson big enough up front to slow down Henry? That Im not sure about. But is Alabama fast enough to keep up with Clemsons offense? I think this will be a whale of a game.
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No I'd expect it from Finebaum, it was from Carter or Mattich, one of their supposed "analysts". Good points all around. Clemson's special teams scare me for sure. Regarding making DW4 beat them passing, if you havent followed the team the Oklahoma game was an aberration, he was 2nd in the country in completion % on the year Losing one of his 2 favorite targerts 2 days before the game hurt tremendously. Clemson's passing game is a timing route based system where the QB releases the ball before a WR breaks. Route speed difference really hurt Deshaun. Plus there were 5 credited drops and he still threw over 50% despite having a horrible game. Watson is a better passer than a runner, though if you have only watched he last couple games I understand why you would question that. Clemson can not line up and drive block Bama's DT of the line. The good news is they wont try. Even their inside run game is predicated on "leverage" blocks. It is more about tricking a defender to stepping the wrong way with false OL steps than it is smash and mash. Conversly where Bama scares me, is crossing routes and swing routes where Clemson LBers have to cover. It is their Achilles heel and I have been shocked more havent exploited it. But the passes will have to come out quick because Clemson WILL get pressure on Coker. Coach Venables is getting pressure even if he kills himself doing it. Bama's Oline are manimals, for sure. But 5 guys cant block 7 and there will be 7 men pressuring more often than not regardless of formation. [Funny side story: We were sitting front row kind of behind Oklahoma's bench in Miami. 3rd quarter their WR coach was going nuts talking about his WR running free all day and Mayfield not finding them. One of the defensive coaches ( I thought at the time it was Mike Stoops, but in relaying the story to a friend and OU fan he said Mike stays in the box so I dont know...) said, "it really doesn't matter, he can't afford to look down field."] Bama's defense worries me because of their length and athleticism at DB. The horizontal screen game is a gamble because those dudes can pick it and outrun you the other way. Likewise with fade routes. They will out jump you and take it. |
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Clemson's special teams, especially kickoff coverage, has been awful all year. Also, the punter is susceptible to a block, and the kicker has missed a few extra points and probably only has range to 45 yards. Clemson could lose this game in special teams.
As for fade routes, Clemson really hasn't run them this year, except with Leggett. If you get the TE matched on a LB and the fade is thrown properly, I like Leggett to win that matchup (if he can actually not drop it). But hopefully they don't get back to being too cute with the screen game and outsmart themselves. I don't think they will, but we'll see. My worry is much like you've said... OJ Howard, their giant TE getting matched up on LBs, and Coker being able to pick out short crossing routes to beat the rush.
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Some of that is on naive media buyers however. Anyone worth their salt KNEW that the numbers would be down. And that's idiotic buying on their part (something that isn't uncommon frankly)
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Someone at ESPN other than Chris Brown actually coming in with a decent article about how Saban's been forced to change - How Alabama Crimson Tide caught up to the hurry-up - SEC Blog- ESPN
Now, we'll see Monday night if it's effective... or this is Johnny Manziel part II where Alabama geared their entire offseason around stopping him, then he/Mike Evans still put up 45 points, but it's nice to see how they've been tweaking things. Last edited by BishopMVP : 01-09-2016 at 10:41 AM. |
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C'mon who's watching? The BISON are on! I've been quiet all week. I just finished work and they are up 17-0 in the second quarter. ESPN 2. Watch it. Could be history today if they win.
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24-0 now.
Against the to ranked, only lost to Auburn, Jacksonville st team.
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I worked the JSU playoff game where they went to OT...they don't have the defense needed to keep up with NDST. I figured this would be an easy Bison win.
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You know a lot of people were saying that this is the toughest challenge the Bison have had in the finals so far. I'll admit that I'm nervous still nervous. It looks good right now but... As far as Wentz goes? He's clearly the biggest football star in North Dakota history. And I don't mean North Dakota State I mean the entire state. I think a lot of it will determine how he plays in the Senior Bowl. If he has a good showing he could be a mid first round pick. Although I think that might be a little high he's very rough around the edges as far as the NFL goes. Any normal year he's probably late two early three quarterback.
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Anyone who says this game is over right now is crazy.
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I was right. They are coming back. Buckle up.
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Fourth quarter touchdown! Now I can breathe! Let's finish this! WOOHOO!
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FIVE-IN-A-ROW!
Simply amazing. Something that has never been done in college football before. What a team. What a team. Wow.
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Congrats to NDSU!
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Had to at least vaguely pull for JSU on that one -- geography & all -- but can easily congratulate NDSU on their accomplishment.
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So I took the Tigers and the 7. But Im not real confident in it. I'm banking on Bama being a little overconfident and Clemson playing that underdog role to the max tonight. And I'm thinking Kiffin gets too cute and doesnt just pound Henry like he should.
The game is either going to be a Bama blowout or a close Clemson win. he momentum swings are going to be the key (obviously). Cant wait. |
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There seems to be so little buzz for this game.
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There is no heat for this game at all. I forgot about it until this morning on the radio. I'm probably not going to watch either, unless I see it is close in the 4th, but what's going on? Are we just sick of Alabama now? Clemson really doesn't do anything for this game, obviously, but I thought there would be some hype going in.
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I forgot about it until this morning as well. I think it's because NYE feels like a really long time ago, and those games were so boring for the most part that they didn't leave much of an impression or a feeling that you HAVE to see what these teams will do against each other.
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Should be a fantastic game unless turnovers tip the scale.
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For years so many people complained about wanting "playoffs" now this common reaction of caring more when it was played earlier. Seems like a no win situation for the NCAA. Personally, I like this better than no playoffs but preferred the golden age of college football in the mid/late 80s even more when it seemed every New Years game had meaningful impact. IMO playing this game on a Saturday or Sunday night around the NFL playoffs would be better placement. |
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I think as you said it, better placement would actually make the playoffs more interesting. The Semis should be on New Years Day. Or, at least, primetime on Jan 1 and Jan 2. Then have the final on the Saturday evening following. Of course, they do it Monday night to avoid going up against the NFL playoffs - but maybe something can be worked out?
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The gap between semi-finals and championship is the same this year as last year since New Years Day was Thursday last year.
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