SpongeBob SquarePants Angers Christian Conservatives

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

No, I really can't.

After the venom I've watched you spew toward Christianity & Christians in this thread, I really don't think my talking to you is the best idea in the world. It's better all the way 'round I think if you & I just hold each other in mutual contempt from as much distance as possible.

In other words "I can't explain why I called gay people evil"

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

The difference may be, and is, bringing up one's kids as parents with your own ethics and values is one thing. Abdicating those responsibilities to the state and allowing the state to indocrinate your kids into a Secular Humanist way of 'thought control' is another thing entirely. But your comments are interesting, if for nothing else than seeing in practice the success the state has had doing its work on your generation.

God forbid your kids would have all of the facts before them to make an educated decision, right? Does the school let them come home, or do they lock them in mind-control cages after school is out?

If you're really that worried about the "outside world" why not just home school 'em?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Y'know, the best thing I've ever seen come of these threads is that it works wonders at exposing the anti-Christian bigotry that some of our "regulars" carry around with them.

Reading these is like a "FOFC Beginner's Guide To Who Belongs On Ignore".

See, Christian or not, I've got human failings. And one of those is a tendency to develop a deep-seated hatred for some of the most virulent of these fools & the filth they spew instead of the giving them pity they deserve. So, out-of-sight at least makes it easier in some cases to avoid serious lingering emotional distress.

You know the worst thing about these threads though? It never fails that I lose whatever respect I had for at least one person who I was previously, at worst, neutral about. I think what bothers me most about that is that it provides a vivid reminder how easily we can be fooled about the character of people, or in many cases proven by this thread, the lack thereof.

I think I'm already on your Ignore List, which I consider a badge of honor. I don't really believe in putting anyone on an ignore list. I like to hear all views, no matter how whack-job or infuriating they may be.

Anyway, I have said it once and I'll say it again. I don't hate Christians. I am not a bigot towards them. My entire family is Christian. All of them: mom, dad, sister, brother, grandmas, aunts, uncles, cousins, you name it. I love them all and the fact that they are Christian doesn't effect how I feel about them at all. Neither does it effect how I feel about anyone I meet: Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddist, Pagan, I don't care. I look at the quality of the person. Their beliefs, morals, ethics, etc. If someone is, say, an intolerant, close-minded bigot, I will take issue with that. If they happen to base these views on their religion, then, yes, I will take issue with that particular aspect of their religion, regardless of what religion it is. It's like hating the sin (the bigotry/hatred), not the sinner (whatever religion the hatred/bigotry is allegedly based on).

So to claim what has gone on in this thread as Christian bigotry is bullshit paranoia.

[Dutch]

If you're really that worried about the "outside world" why not just home school 'em?

Were you suggesting Religious Right parents do that or the Atheist Left parents do that?

[Loren]

Originally Posted by -Mojo Jojo-

I like it when religious people complain about other people indoctrinating children. It makes me smile.

the ones on the extreme side always feel persecuted and complain about what goes on in public schools but fight for prayers being said in them.. the entire country was based and gimmie a break, still is based on christianity, but they feel they're the minority and have no rights..oookie dokie then.
"other people indoctrinating children" like I said before, if you dont agree, keep them home and do what you feel is right it be nice if everyone took responsibility for their own children instead of sitting back and complaining about the way others are raising them in your place.

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

there's always like little kid who all think is a bit "queer" and are any of us surprised when he says he's gay when he's about 20? No way. That little dude was in plays since he was 4 and liked playing house more than sports.

oh man, we know a kid like this and wouldnt you know it, imo his dad fits in the extreme christian religious category poor kid..
and geez Bubba nice remark on Mojo Jojo there, I hope you waved your fist in the air and said "darn those kids of today" too I'm not sure how you can say everyone else is putting the state in the role of parent, reading your posts, I see it as you doing that..
you finally get what i was asking G-Man..still dont think it's rational though, but keep on keeping on...Id still rather trust in God and not what man has decided God wants us to do..I dont get the gay thing just being ok NOW, there's always been gay people, gay relationships, it was always kept secretive due to fear of persecution by the govt, when the lawmakers and churches were having such relationships themselves, so even when NO one was "ok" with it, homosexuality existed, so why couldnt we say it's genetic makeup, there was no tv around then or material you might consider being promotional towards homosexuality being passed around "200" hundred years ago..SO do you think homosexuality just happened in recent times? (If you dont agree that they've been "in the closet" the last 200 years), good grief, you're divorced....aye dios mio

[Loren]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Were you suggesting Religious Right parents do that or the Atheist Left parents do that?

pffft everyone should, then maybe everyone would stop their whining

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by Loren

aye dios mio

That is teh sexy.




**Runs and hides from Cringer**

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by G-Man

It is not genetic no matter what you have been told. It is simply a choice. Granted it probably seems more like an addiction, but that is true of most sin (porn, lust, material desire, drugs etc.).

Link? Like I said, I've seen little kids who act a bit "girly" as kids and whattya know, they ended up gay! I bet they chose to "be gay" when they were about 2, right?

I'll even take it one step further. Why are some born as hermaphrodites? Did god plan it that way? Why are some born retarded? Did god plan it that way? To this, you will say yes. So why can't people be born gay?

Have you ever wondered why Gay is acceptable in Society today and not yesterday? Do you think all of a sudden our genetic makeup changed? Please do not tell me that they (gays) were all in the closet for the last 200 years and now came out because it is acceptable. I hope you are not that easily duped or deceived.

Do you think that there were no gay people pre-1950? Please please please please please tell you don't believe this. Please tell me that you don't believe people weren't "out" before "today"

Now some "experts" have blamed it on our poor diet and more hormones in meat etc.. That may be part of it. How about that the Society has affirmed that it is ok to have premarital sex, to be gay etc. Can you not see Satan's "hand" all over this? This is why tolerance of sin is dangerous.

Right. My cousin is gay because of the poor diet he ate. Strangely, his sister who is 2 years older is straight, as is his sister who is 1 year younger.

PS - The drive to have sex (see: reproduce) is biological.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Were you suggesting Religious Right parents do that or the Atheist Left parents do that?

Religious Right, but hell, anyone can home school for all I care.

[Bubba Wheels]

Originally Posted by Loren

pffft everyone should, then maybe everyone would stop their whining

Ha! We finally agree on something! Deconstruct the state-indoctrination camps known as public schools, let the private sector set up charter-like schools and allow those of faith, talent, ect..., to pick and choose which to send their kids to. Hear that noise? That's the sound of a very angry teacher's union on the warpath!

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Ha! We finally agree on something! Deconstruct the state-indoctrination camps known as public schools, let the private sector set up charter-like schools and allow those of faith, talent, ect..., to pick and choose which to send their kids to. Hear that noise? That's the sound of a very angry teacher's union on the warpath!

FYI: There are private schools.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

What if my brain...that god gave me, will not let me accept his "being" on faith alone? I'd like to believe that there is a supreme being; to know why we're here. Alas, my brain doesn't let me.

What now? I'm going to hell because of the brain I was given?

Why is it so hard for me to get a response to this?

[Bubba Wheels]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

FYI: There are private schools.

Yeah, and they cost alot of money, after I have already paid my property taxes to support the local public schools. Of course, you would see nothing wrong with that.

[Bubba Wheels]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

Why is it so hard for me to get a response to this?

Well, Calvinists believe that some are predetermined to be judged as unworthy. I don't think that's the case, but maybe it fits your situation.

[Loren]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Yeah, and they cost alot of money, after I have already paid my property taxes to support the local public schools. Of course, you would see nothing wrong with that.

are your kids in public school?

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Yeah, and they cost alot of money, after I have already paid my property taxes to support the local public schools. Of course, you would see nothing wrong with that.

No, I think that if your kid doesn't go to public school, you should receive a voucher that would compensate you for what you contribute to the school in the form of taxes.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Well, Calvinists believe that some are predetermined to be judged as unworthy. I don't think that's the case, but maybe it fits your situation.

lol. What an awesome god! I was born unworthy. The sad thing is, that's probably the best explanation I've heard yet.

[Karlifornia]

To call all those who question Christianity "bigots" is an insult to real bigots everywhere. I'm not sitting here telling you that you're going to atheist hell because you do, in fact, believe that Jesus is the son of god.

President Bush talks to god before every decision he makes......god has told him to execute the mentally retarded, and kill innocent people.

There's no porn in heaven? Do you think they'll check my fanny pack? I can't go more than a few good hours without a little smut.

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

What utter & complete fucking horseshit.

But if you were right, you'd be making a decent argument for them as "evil".

You heard it hear first... JohnInMiddleGa believes gay people are truely EVIL. the only thing that is complete and utter horseshit, is not believing in science.

I suppose people with long family histories of alcoholism just go ahead and choose to be an alcoholic, and they have no predispositions then?

Tell me, how does someone choose to be gay, since sexuality is derived from one of our few animalistic traits. I look at a girl with big hooters, i get excited... by the nature of who i am.. so youre telling me that when a guy who "decides" to be gay.. that hes faking his attraction for that hot stud hes looking at? Like its this implanted evil, that has overcome his true nature?

[Klinglerware]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

No, I think that if your kid doesn't go to public school, you should receive a voucher that would compensate you for what you contribute to the school in the form of taxes.

Should property owners who don't have kids receive vouchers too? The real cost of educating a kid is more than most families can afford. People who send their kids to private school are probably paying more of that real cost. School systems are probably dependent on a lot of tax money from people with no direct interest in the schools (other than an indirect "good of the society" interest).

I'm originally from a part of the country where there are retirement communities up the wazoo--lots of senior citizens who could care less about the school system. I recall the seniors being very organized--resulting in the school system being underfunded at times...

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by RadioFriendlyUnitShifter

President Bush talks to god before every decision he makes......god has told him to execute the mentally retarded, and kill innocent people.

Do you regularly make fun of Christians? You are reminding me of how the Nazi's used to make fun of the Jews in the 1930's.

[Suicane75]

This thread is just fuckin sad. Both sides oughta be fucking ashamed of themselves.

[Noop]

SpongeBob =

People who hate SpongeBob =

[SunDancer]

Man, I wonder if the CareBears of the 80's and the new era of them got this kind of response..

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

Why is it so hard for me to get a response to this?

I'd say that your supositions are all wrong. God would has properly prepared you to be able to believe in him, He would provide you no less than you required. In your case it is not your brain that would be preventing you, but a decision you arrived at freely. Also, I don't believe anyone said you'd go to hell. Just that you would not be awarded Heaven.



As for Jon's assertion about gay and evil:
I'm going to go out on a limb, and guess that what Jon was going at was that the nature of man is that of sin, even at birth. That is as close to reasoning his statement out, as I can.

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

Why is it so hard for me to get a response to this?

You can never put your mind around God. Trying to comprehend Him is impossible for the Human Mind. Try with your heart. He wants to be in your heart, then your Mind will follow. I am not talking about emotions, those are mind driven, I am talking about the heart and soul. It is hard to put into word. Talk with a non denominational Pastor about your challenge to believe in Him.

Now would somebody be so kind as to teach Suicane75 how to spell The. It's T-H-E, not T-E-H

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

As for Jon's assertion about gay and evil:
I'm going to go out on a limb, and guess that what Jon was going at was that the nature of man is that of sin, even at birth. That is as close to reasoning his statement out, as I can.

I agree. I didn't read Jon's statement as equating gays as being evil. I think Glen's read is probably right.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by G-Man

You can never put your mind around God. Trying to comprehend Him is impossible for the Human Mind. Try with your heart. He wants to be in your heart, then your Mind will follow. I am not talking about emotions, those are mind driven, I am talking about the heart and soul. It is hard to put into word. Talk with a non denominational Pastor about your challenge to believe in Him.

We can't put our mind around it. We can't comprehend it (I believe both...that if there is a god we don't understand it), yet people have given this being man-like traits and characterists, etc. And if you don't believe it, NO HEAVEN!

Funny stuff.

As far as a "non denominational Pastor" I don't think so. I went to church until I was about 16, and a Private (Christian) school for 11 years. I have a hard time believing in the "god" of the Christian bible, or any bible for that matter.

[Dutch]

I haven't found Jon one to lie, beat around the bush, or frankly, give a crap what anybody thinks of him. So to that, if Jon thinks homosexuals are evil, he would come right out and say it.

If the only way you can villify your opponent is to exaggerate or morph their words into something you can argue against, perhaps you need to take a closer look at your own platform.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

We can't put our mind around it. We can't comprehend it, yet people have given this being man-like traits and characterists, etc. And if you don't believe it, NO HEAVEN!

Funny stuff.

Can you prove that love exists? Or is it more easily defined by using your heart vs. your brain?

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

I'd say that your supositions are all wrong. God would has properly prepared you to be able to believe in him, He would provide you no less than you required. In your case it is not your brain that would be preventing you, but a decision you arrived at freely. Also, I don't believe anyone said you'd go to hell. Just that you would not be awarded Heaven.

Uhhh, yes. That's how I think. With my brain. My brain allows me to think. My brain is what helped me to this "decision".

This is kind of like the "Doesn't matter if the Buddhist lived a great life, etc. He didn't 'accept' Jesus as his 'Savior' and he's going to hell"

PS - If I don't go to "heaven" where do I go?

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Can you prove that love exists? Or is it more easily defined by using your heart vs. your brain?

Using your heart? Your heart pumps blood through your body. That's all.

Is "god" an emotion now?

[Raiders Army]

Actually, it gives me a huge amount of laughs and I do tower over a great percentage of the United States mentally. Those pesky Koreans and their Starcraft though...

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

Using your heart? Your heart pumps blood through your body. That's all.

Is "god" an emotion now?

I haven't a clue who or what God is.

I'm just pointing out that not all things are made of matter and mass and volume as can be explained by modern (or current) science.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Sorry to offend the bible beaters and heathen atheists!

I'm not going to comment on the choice of pictures, but at least we are now giving equal opportunity to both the far left and the far right on this matter.

Mission Accomplished.

[Flasch186]

out of respect for RA....I delete as well

[Suicane75]

For the love of all that is holy, why Flasch why?

[Bubba Wheels]

Have fun, you win. When this kind of subject matter becomes game for grunts and giggles, I know I'm in the wrong place. Have a nice life.

[duckman]

RA, could you please take down that photo? I have an uncle who has Downe's Syndrome. His name is Dean and he's one of the happiest people you could ever meet. I could only wish to have the level of happiness that he possesses. He has the mentality of an 8 year old, but he is still extremely bright for someone with his condition.

Also, I would appreciate it if people would not call them retarded. They are mentally handicapped.

On the subject of marriage between people with mental handicaps, I think that if the condition doesn't severly hampered their ability to support a family, then I really don't see a problem.

[Raiders Army]

Well, duckman, I deleted my post...however, I can't take down the photo since I didn't host it. I took it down because you asked me to. I do want to state that some people need to have a sense of humor about stuff. This thread went on for 7 pages and I was trying to lighten it up a little. While it may have been wrong, I've posted that picture in other threads as well.

My reply to Bubba Wheels was flippant in nature. I ask of anyone on this board: haven't you made fun of someone or something without being racist, sexist, etc.? It was a funny picture and saying, so I took it as such, instead of being offended; however, after some thought I do recognize that the internet is populated by people who may be okay with something and not okay with something else; that's fine, and I will try not to judge you.

I (sincerely) apologize if the previous post offended someone...it was intended as something to lighten the mood after a 7 page discussion about God hating homosexuals.

[randal7]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Get off the persecution kick, you're not in the same league. It's laughable.

So hate towards some people is acceptable, if they are not in this "league" (which I assume only includes people who you think are downtrodden)? Where is this line drawn? Apologies for maybe sounding sarcastic, but really, I'm curious. I think a lot of people think just like this, but few will say it openly.

Originally Posted by Chubby

Since you mention it, how exactly are the bible thumpers different from the jihad-wackos bombing shit in the name of Allah? Both groups take their religion to absurd extremes and try to cram it down everyone's throat.

Without taking this too far, I would say one group has a poor approach to spreading their religion and the other group kills people.

[Flasch186]

nevermind...

[Blackadar]

JIMG:

All this time, I thought you were an extreme religious conservative. After reading this thread, I've finally realized something. You're not a Christian. You have no not the slightest clue what it means to be one. You have failed, in every single possible way, to actually comprehend the message given.

I take pity on those who must be around you and deal with your fears, hatred and bigotry that even God's word has been unable to release from you poisoned soul.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by randal7

So hate towards some people is acceptable, if they are not in this "league" (which I assume only includes people who you think are downtrodden)? Where is this line drawn? Apologies for maybe sounding sarcastic, but really, I'm curious. I think a lot of people think just like this, but few will say it openly.


Without taking this too far, I would say one group has a poor approach to spreading their religion and the other group kills people.

comparing the so-called persecution against christianity in this country to say the ethnic cleansing going on in other countries past or present IS laughable. Then again, we are in the "everyone is a victim" phase in this country it seems.

They must have not gone over the Crusades with you in history class.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

All this time, I thought you were an extreme religious conservative.

You really haven't been paying much attention, have you? The "extreme religious conservatives" won't have me because I'm one of the staunchest pro-choice people you'll ever meet.

And thanks for the rest, that kinda makes up for falling behind BW on that other list. If you disapprove of me or anything I do, well, {sniff} that's just about the highest praise I can get around here. It's like my own Golden Globe award or something.

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

This thread is just fuckin sad. Both sides oughta be fucking ashamed of themselves.

Is this kind of language really necessary or appropriate? We use to get our mouths washed with soap for speaking such language and I had easy going parents....

[Dutch]

Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?!

lmao!

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

We can't put our mind around it. We can't comprehend it (I believe both...that if there is a god we don't understand it), yet people have given this being man-like traits and characterists, etc. And if you don't believe it, NO HEAVEN!

Funny stuff.

As far as a "non denominational Pastor" I don't think so. I went to church until I was about 16, and a Private (Christian) school for 11 years. I have a hard time believing in the "god" of the Christian bible, or any bible for that matter.

You can always come back... Don't blame God for our human frailties...you could blame Adam...

[Sharpieman]

Adam? You should blame a fictional character?

[Greyroofoo]

If I believed in God, I would blame him for all the wrongdoings in the world. I mean, he knew all the rapes, wars, and other such atrocities that would follow when he created man the way he did. Its like giving a kid a gun knowing he'd shoot up a school.

And I fail to see the sacrafice of Jesus dying for us. He brought himself back right? I always thought that the point of death was that you never come back.