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tarcone · 12-13-2010, 01:48 PM

Sigh. How disappointing.

Punter award should have had Reggie Robys name on it.

sovereignstar v2 · 12-13-2010, 01:49 PM

And why do they choose an ocean blue as the official color? I mean it totally screams Big Ten, but otherwise...

tarcone · 12-13-2010, 01:51 PM

They wanted to get away from the embedded numbers. And go back to the old way, when it was the Big10. Now the B1G represents the B10 from the past.

sovereignstar v2 · 12-13-2010, 01:52 PM

And someone just mentioned to me that a couple of the awards are named after guys that never played in the Big 10 (ie Nebraska, Penn St. pre-expansion).

tarcone · 12-13-2010, 01:54 PM

Focusing on traditions and values that the Big10 represents and not the number of schools in the conference. Delaney said that accountants and some others may get hung up on the number. But the number isnt important. As for the color. I have no idea.

Ksyrup · 12-13-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Sounds right to me.

The truth hurts.

sovereignstar v2 · 12-13-2010, 01:56 PM

I didn't need an embedded two, but I'm pretty sure they could've had a better logo designed by a first-year design student in a 100 dollar contest.

tarcone · 12-13-2010, 01:56 PM

I think the kid got $50 for the old logo.

Swaggs · 12-13-2010, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Yes it is. What's with the 1? At least the old logo had an "11" hiding in it. Is there a "2" that I'm not seeing somewhere? Or is this just meant to be a 1x, with the ones digit to be decided later? Glad I bought my Big Ten t-shirt recently, before this change.

I actually did think the old one, with the hidden 11, was pretty cool. Or course I only realized it was hidden there like two years ago and now it is obsolete.

Passacaglia · 12-13-2010, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Focusing on traditions and values that the Big10 represents and not the number of schools in the conference. Delaney said that accountants and some others may get hung up on the number. But the number isnt important. As for the color. I have no idea.

"the number's not important, but if you must have a number, uh, here's a 1, i guess"

DeToxRox · 12-13-2010, 02:09 PM

The Rodriguez/John L and John Cooper/Bill Lynch divisions would have been better then this.

Appreciate the smugness though. If there is one thing the Big Ten does better then anyone else, it's smug.

Passacaglia · 12-13-2010, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

lol

The 'g' in 'Big' is supposed to be a g/zero. Yeah, it's pretty bad...

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Originally Posted by tarcone

They wanted to get away from the embedded numbers. And go back to the old way, when it was the Big10. Now the B1G represents the B10 from the past.

1. It took me a while to stop thinking this was some sort of undefined number joke (g divided by zero).

2. I don't get it. Are they trying to emded numbers, or aren't they?

Swaggs · 12-13-2010, 02:11 PM

I didn't even see all the new, hyphenated awards. Nothing says tradition like adding 18 new trophies.

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Championship game trophies

Stagg-Paterno Championship Trophy: Honors Amos Alonzo Stagg (University of Chicago) and Joe Paterno (Penn State)
Grange-Griffin Championship Game MVP: Honors Harold Edward “Red” Grange (Illinois) and Archie Griffin (Ohio State)
Postgraduate Awards

Ford-Kinnick Leadership Award: Honors President Gerald R. Ford (former Michigan player) and Nile Kinnick (Iowa)
Dungy-Thompson Humanitarian Award: Honors Tony Dungy (Minnesota) and Anthony Thompson (Indiana)
Annual Awards/Trophies

Graham-George Offensive Player of the Year: Otto Graham (Northwestern) and Eddie George (Ohio State)
Nagurski-Woodson Defensive Player of the Year: Bronislau “Bronko” Nagurski (Minnesota) and Charles Woodson (Michigan)
Hayes-Schembechler Coach of the Year: Wayne Woodrow “Woody” Hayes (Ohio State) and Glenn Edward “Bo” Schembechler (Michigan
Thompson-Randle El Freshman of the Year: Darrell Thompson (Minnesota) and Antwaan Randle El (Indiana)
Rimington-Pace Offensive Lineman of the Year: Honors Dave Rimington (Nebraska) and Orlando Pace (Ohio State)
Smith-Brown Defensive Lineman of the Year: Honors Charles Aaron “Bubba” Smith (Michigan State) and Courtney Brown (Penn State)
Griese-Brees Quarterback of the Year: Honors Bob Griese (Purdue) and Drew Brees (Purdue)
Ameche-Dayne Running Back of the Year: Honors Alan Ameche (Wisconsin) and Ron Dayne (Wisconsin)
Tatum-Woodson Defensive Back of the Year: Honors Jack Tatum (Ohio State) and Rod Woodson (Purdue)
Butkus-Fitzgerald Linebacker of the Year: Honors Dick Butkus (Illinois) and Pat Fitzgerald (Northwestern)
Richter-Howard Receiver of the Year: Honors Pat Richter (Wisconsin) and Desmond Howard (Michigan)
Kwalick-Clark Tight End of the Year: Honors Ted Kwalick (Penn State) and Dallas Clark (Iowa)
Bakken-Andersen Kicker of the Year: Honors Jim Bakken (Wisconsin) and Morten Andersen (Michigan State)
Eddleman-Fields Punter of the Year: Honors Thomas Dwight “Dike” Eddleman (Illinois) and Brandon Fields (Michigan State)

Ksyrup · 12-13-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I think this better represents the Big Ten than that:

sovereignstar v2 · 12-13-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

1. It took me a while to stop thinking this was some sort of undefined number joke (g divided by zero).

2. I don't get it. Are they trying to emded numbers, or aren't they?

They are. Some of the new logos are proof.

http://www.bigten.org/genrel/121310aaa.html

Young Drachma · 12-13-2010, 02:28 PM

I like the smaller logo better. Like...It's strange, but it sort of works. Especially with the Big 12 likely to change their logo or even their name...it's still bad though.

Strangely, I saw a proof logo on a logo forum I frequent that's similar to it that looked like what they did except he called them the Big North.

I actually like the new trophies and how they try to recognize the past history.

Logan · 12-13-2010, 02:42 PM

That shade of blue is just bad, the rest is average.

molson · 12-13-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

2. I don't get it. Are they trying to emded numbers, or aren't they?

I think its kind of like a magic eye puzzle. I just stared at the thing for 20 minutes and saw Woody Hayes beating up that Clemson player.

Ksyrup · 12-13-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

That shade of blue is just bad, the rest is average.

It's like a slightly darker Carolina blue, or a slightly lighter Honolulu blue. And that color certainly doesn't scream Big Ten - more like WAC.

Honolulu_Blue · 12-13-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

It's like a slightly darker Carolina blue, or a slightly lighter Honolulu blue. And that color certainly doesn't scream Big Ten - more like WAC.

And we all know Honolulu Blue screams "cool!", so, maybe that's what they were going for.

RainMaker · 12-13-2010, 06:37 PM

The logo isn't that bad, but the color is horrible. Looks more like the colors you'd use for a WNBA team, not a major conference in the Midwest that is focused around football.

As for the new awards, why the hypenated names? Why not just pick a guy and go with that? Why the need for two?

WHO THE FUCK IS MAKING THESE DECISIONS FOR THE BIG 10?

Mizzou B-ball fan · 12-13-2010, 07:49 PM

Wait, this is actually the division names???????????????

Galaxy · 12-13-2010, 09:01 PM

The NCAA keeps getting stupider, smoggier, and greedier by the day.

MJ4H · 12-13-2010, 09:02 PM

facepalm.jpg

tarcone · 12-13-2010, 09:25 PM

This can turn into a 1 and a 6 real easily.

The guys on College Football Live are saying everything we are. I hope the Big10 gets a clue and tries again.
On another board someone suggested Plains and Lakes divisions. Heck with the logo Black and Blue divisions. Something.

bhlloy · 12-13-2010, 09:31 PM

The Big Ten - bridging the gap between football trophies and the world of medical condition naming.

Seriously, who wants to get Kwalick-Clark? Sounds painful

tarcone · 12-13-2010, 09:32 PM

Posted at Bigtenfever.com by mjp28

Kodos · 12-13-2010, 09:47 PM

Dumb dumb dumb logo. I'd rather just keep the old logo and get rid of the hidden 11.

Kodos · 12-13-2010, 09:48 PM

I think we should have the Corso and Herbstreit divisions. Although technically both guys were associated with the same division.... D'oh.

sovereignstar v2 · 12-17-2010, 10:41 AM

Big Ten may reconsider Legends and Leaders division names - NCAA Football - Sporting News

Passacaglia · 12-17-2010, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

Big Ten may reconsider Legends and Leaders division names - NCAA Football - Sporting News

While I don't like these names, I can't think of anything better. They brought this on themselves when they decided not to bother with geography when creating the divisions. At this point, might as well name them based on how they were formed and call them the Michigan and Ohio State divisions.

RomaGoth · 12-17-2010, 11:01 AM

What about West and East. I know it's boring, but at least it makes relative sense.

Passacaglia · 12-17-2010, 11:12 AM

And put Michigan, the third eastern-most team, in the Big Ten West?

I don't see what would have been wrong with a North division of Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Michigan, Northwestern, and Iowa, and a South division of Purdue, Penn State, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, and Nebraska.

molson · 12-17-2010, 11:59 AM

Great example of what happens when a corporation overthinks things.

East/West, North/South (even if things don't match up geographically perfectly - no sports divisions do, it's not a big deal), or name them after some conference legend. It doesn't matter that the latter is "exclusive" or whatever stupid reason they used to determine that wasn't good.

Ksyrup · 12-17-2010, 12:02 PM

I think they discounted the peoples' names for division names because they had already come up with the awards naming idea and didn't want to use names for both. Which makes some sense.

MJ4H · 12-17-2010, 12:15 PM

Let's name the divisions Batman and Robin. Almost anything is better than Legends and Leaders.

Drake · 12-17-2010, 12:16 PM

One of my coworkers just suggested Lakes & Plains (instead of Leaders and Legends). I actually sort of dig that.

Ksyrup · 12-17-2010, 12:16 PM

Aches and Pains?

RomaGoth · 12-17-2010, 12:21 PM

Any of these are better than Leaders and Legends:

Penn & Teller
Sigfried & Roy
Might & Magic
Dungeons & Dragons

lungs · 12-17-2010, 12:22 PM

Yogi and Boo Boo

molson · 12-17-2010, 12:23 PM

Maybe they should alternate division names according to who wins the conference championship game every year.

The awesomes and the dog poop.

cuervo72 · 12-17-2010, 12:24 PM

Cheese and Crackers.

Wait, I guess you can't have just Wisconsin in its own division...

Passacaglia · 12-17-2010, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Drake

One of my coworkers just suggested Lakes & Plains (instead of Leaders and Legends). I actually sort of dig that.

He probably got it from this article, which also gives a different reason for why they didn't named them Woody and Bo ("it's too exclusive"): Thoughts on division names, logo, trophies - Big Ten Blog - ESPN

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Thoughts on division names, logo, trophies
December, 13, 2010
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By Adam Rittenberg
The Big Ten finally revealed the new names for its football divisions, along with a new logo and 18 (count 'em) new trophies for football.

Sadly, my two suggestions for division names -- Delany and Delaney, and Adam and Rittenberg -- did not make the cut.

I'll get to my reaction for each part below. Overall, I feel like many of you do: The league could have done better and didn't help its national perception, at least in the short term. But unlike many folks, I care a lot more about who is in the divisions than what they are called. The amount of attention this topic generated really surprised me.

Overall, the reaction from fans and media members hasn't been positive.

"Any time you have something new, whether it’s a mark or trophies, it takes some time to get used to," league commissioner Jim Delany said on a teleconference.

That might be wishful thinking.

DIVISION NAMES

Meh.

After months of taking suggestions and brainstorming possibilities, the Big Ten ended up with Legends and Leaders. Here's the breakdown:

Legends Division: Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern and Nebraska

Leaders Division: Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Illinois, Purdue and Indiana

While the league's intentions here are understandable -- to honor its rich history and long lineup of legendary figures -- the Big Ten got too caught up in avoiding specific names. Make no mistake: The Big Ten was never going to name the divisions Woody and Bo. Way too exclusive. But there are former commissioners who could have been honored or historical figures who represent this area of the country.

The league also wanted to avoid geography in the division names. While I completely agreed that geography shouldn't have been the deciding factor in determining how teams were assigned to divisions, I didn't have nearly as big of an issue with geographical distinctions for division names. Lakes and Plains would have been just fine with me.

The Big Ten also couldn't have gone wrong with names that sounded patriotic: Liberty and Freedom or Stars and Stripes (suggested by the Chicago Tribune's Teddy Greenstein) would work.

"People suggested Schembechler and Hayes," Delany said. "Any time you looked at it, it seemed to be too exclusive and not inclusive enough. ... As we looked at ourselves, we believed at the core of who we are are our traditions and heritage. And those traditions are largely people, legendary people."

The Big Ten recognized plenty of those people in the new trophies. But Legends and Leaders is too generic, a little too arrogant and too Little League for me. Another good point raised by Greenstein: Two divisions that start with the letter "L" have a negative connotation in sports.

LOGO

As my wife often reminds me, I don't have a great eye for design. Aside from being named "Most Improved" in a middle school art class, my skills in this department are limited.

The Big Ten's new logo has its flaws, but I can live with it. The mark, created by Pentagram Design, certainly comes off a bit retro and looks more like something that would have been done when Delany first became commissioner in 1990 than now.

There's no hidden "12" in the logo like there is with "11" in the current Big Ten logo.

"A lot of people thought we would use negative space to [use] 12," Delany said. "Pretty much everybody in the design world said, 'No, don't do that.' "

What the league tried to do was create a link back to its pre-Penn State logo with the B-I-G 1-0, substituting the "I" in Big as the No. 1. Asked about the "G" looking like the No. 6, which feeds into the conspiracy theory that the Big Ten eventually will expand to 16 teams, Delany said, "We were thinking 10, not 16."

TROPHIES

Of the three new elements, the Big Ten definitely did best here. While 18 trophies is extremely excessive, the league was able to honor some of its great players and coaches.

The big additions are the Stagg-Paterno Championship Trophy given to the winner of the Big Ten football title game, which beings next year. The trophy honors former University of Chicago coach Amos Alonzo Stagg and current Penn State coach Joe Paterno. The MVP of the title game receives the Grange-Griffin Trophy, which recognizes former Illinois star Red Grange and former Ohio State star Archie Griffin, the only two-time winner of the Heisman Trophy.

The complaint some have raised with these trophies is that they honor current Big Ten coaches like Paterno and Northwestern's Pat Fitzgerald, whose name appears on the Butkus-Fitzgerald Linebacker of the Year award.

I don't have a problem with this. We don't need to wait for Paterno to die or stop coaching to recognize what he means to the Big Ten and to college football. While he hasn't been in the Big Ten for most of his career, his presence in this league is felt.

Many of the league's greats are still alive, so why not recognize them?

"A lot of people say you can't honor somebody who was alive, you can’t honor somebody who was active," Delany said. "I don’t subscribe to those rules. We were trying to get a good blend of great people, deceased and alive, who stand for great athletic contributions."

I also like that none of the Big Ten's trophies will be connected with corporate sponsorships.

Here's the full list of new trophies:

Championship game trophies
Stagg-Paterno Championship Trophy: Honors Amos Alonzo Stagg (University of Chicago) and Joe Paterno (Penn State)
Grange-Griffin Championship Game MVP: Honors Harold Edward “Red” Grange (Illinois) and Archie Griffin (Ohio State)
Postgraduate Awards
Ford-Kinnick Leadership Award: Honors President Gerald R. Ford (former Michigan player) and Nile Kinnick (Iowa)
Dungy-Thompson Humanitarian Award: Honors Tony Dungy (Minnesota) and Anthony Thompson (Indiana)
Annual Awards/Trophies
Graham-George Offensive Player of the Year: Otto Graham (Northwestern) and Eddie George (Ohio State)
Nagurski-Woodson Defensive Player of the Year: Bronislau “Bronko” Nagurski (Minnesota) and Charles Woodson (Michigan)
Hayes-Schembechler Coach of the Year: Wayne Woodrow “Woody” Hayes (Ohio State) and Glenn Edward “Bo” Schembechler (Michigan
Thompson-Randle El Freshman of the Year: Darrell Thompson (Minnesota) and Antwaan Randle El (Indiana)
Rimington-Pace Offensive Lineman of the Year: Honors Dave Rimington (Nebraska) and Orlando Pace (Ohio State)
Smith-Brown Defensive Lineman of the Year: Honors Charles Aaron “Bubba” Smith (Michigan State) and Courtney Brown (Penn State)
Griese-Brees Quarterback of the Year: Honors Bob Griese (Purdue) and Drew Brees (Purdue)
Ameche-Dayne Running Back of the Year: Honors Alan Ameche (Wisconsin) and Ron Dayne (Wisconsin)
Tatum-Woodson Defensive Back of the Year: Honors Jack Tatum (Ohio State) and Rod Woodson (Purdue)
Butkus-Fitzgerald Linebacker of the Year: Honors Dick Butkus (Illinois) and Pat Fitzgerald (Northwestern)
Richter-Howard Receiver of the Year: Honors Pat Richter (Wisconsin) and Desmond Howard (Michigan)
Kwalick-Clark Tight End of the Year: Honors Ted Kwalick (Penn State) and Dallas Clark (Iowa)
Bakken-Andersen Kicker of the Year: Honors Jim Bakken (Wisconsin) and Morten Andersen (Michigan State)
Eddleman-Fields Punter of the Year: Honors Thomas Dwight “Dike” Eddleman (Illinois) and Brandon Fields (Michigan State)

Whew. A lot to digest. I'll have more on the announcement, so stay tuned.

molson · 12-17-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

("it's too exclusive")

I still really don't understand what that means and why it's such a huge problem.

Are we 100% sure that everyone in the existing divisions is a "legend" or a "leader?"

Ksyrup · 12-17-2010, 12:34 PM

It clearly means they don't want to honor just Michigan and Ohio State wit hthe names of their conferences.

molson · 12-17-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

It clearly means they don't want to honor just Michigan and Ohio State wit hthe names of their conferences.

WGAS. They should do 6-way hyphenated division name then so nobody's feelings are hurt. I don't know who you'd pick from Indiana though.

RomaGoth · 12-17-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

WGAS. They should do 6-way hyphenated division name then so nobody's feelings are hurt. I don't know who you'd pick from Indiana though.

Work Bob Knight into it and all will be fine with the world.

Ksyrup · 12-17-2010, 12:57 PM

I think it's a legit issue. The division names represent the entire conference, not just the most successful football teams. Would be like calling the ACC divisions the Tomahawks and the Ibises.

sovereignstar v2 · 12-17-2010, 01:00 PM

Of course it's a legit issue. Anyone that doesn't see that is an ignorant slut.

stevew · 12-17-2010, 01:06 PM

You could have the Pros and Joes division

12-13-2010, 02:28 PM	#3366
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I like the smaller logo better. Like...It's strange, but it sort of works. Especially with the Big 12 likely to change their logo or even their name...it's still bad though. Strangely, I saw a proof logo on a logo forum I frequent that's similar to it that looked like what they did except he called them the Big North. I actually like the new trophies and how they try to recognize the past history. __________________ FBCB / FPB3 Mods

12-13-2010, 09:47 PM	#3378
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Dumb dumb dumb logo. I'd rather just keep the old logo and get rid of the hidden 11. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

12-13-2010, 09:48 PM	#3379
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I think we should have the Corso and Herbstreit divisions. Although technically both guys were associated with the same division.... D'oh. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

12-17-2010, 12:02 PM	#3385
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I think they discounted the peoples' names for division names because they had already come up with the awards naming idea and didn't want to use names for both. Which makes some sense. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-17-2010, 12:16 PM	#3387
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	One of my coworkers just suggested Lakes & Plains (instead of Leaders and Legends). I actually sort of dig that. Last edited by Drake : 12-17-2010 at 12:16 PM.

12-13-2010, 01:48 PM	#3351
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Sigh. How disappointing. Punter award should have had Reggie Robys name on it.

12-13-2010, 01:49 PM	#3352
sovereignstar v2 hates iowa Join Date: Oct 2010	And why do they choose an ocean blue as the official color? I mean it totally screams Big Ten, but otherwise...

12-13-2010, 01:51 PM	#3353
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	They wanted to get away from the embedded numbers. And go back to the old way, when it was the Big10. Now the B1G represents the B10 from the past.

12-13-2010, 01:52 PM	#3354
sovereignstar v2 hates iowa Join Date: Oct 2010	And someone just mentioned to me that a couple of the awards are named after guys that never played in the Big 10 (ie Nebraska, Penn St. pre-expansion).

12-13-2010, 01:54 PM	#3355
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Focusing on traditions and values that the Big10 represents and not the number of schools in the conference. Delaney said that accountants and some others may get hung up on the number. But the number isnt important. As for the color. I have no idea.

12-13-2010, 01:56 PM	#3357
sovereignstar v2 hates iowa Join Date: Oct 2010	I didn't need an embedded two, but I'm pretty sure they could've had a better logo designed by a first-year design student in a 100 dollar contest.

12-13-2010, 01:56 PM	#3358
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	I think the kid got $50 for the old logo.

12-13-2010, 02:09 PM	#3361
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	The Rodriguez/John L and John Cooper/Bill Lynch divisions would have been better then this. Appreciate the smugness though. If there is one thing the Big Ten does better then anyone else, it's smug.

12-13-2010, 02:42 PM	#3367
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	That shade of blue is just bad, the rest is average.

12-13-2010, 06:37 PM	#3371
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	The logo isn't that bad, but the color is horrible. Looks more like the colors you'd use for a WNBA team, not a major conference in the Midwest that is focused around football. As for the new awards, why the hypenated names? Why not just pick a guy and go with that? Why the need for two? WHO THE FUCK IS MAKING THESE DECISIONS FOR THE BIG 10?

12-13-2010, 07:49 PM	#3372
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Wait, this is actually the division names???????????????

12-13-2010, 09:01 PM	#3373
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	The NCAA keeps getting stupider, smoggier, and greedier by the day.

12-13-2010, 09:02 PM	#3374
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	facepalm.jpg

12-13-2010, 09:25 PM	#3375
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	This can turn into a 1 and a 6 real easily. The guys on College Football Live are saying everything we are. I hope the Big10 gets a clue and tries again. On another board someone suggested Plains and Lakes divisions. Heck with the logo Black and Blue divisions. Something.

12-13-2010, 09:31 PM	#3376
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	The Big Ten - bridging the gap between football trophies and the world of medical condition naming. Seriously, who wants to get Kwalick-Clark? Sounds painful

12-13-2010, 09:32 PM	#3377
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Posted at Bigtenfever.com by mjp28

12-17-2010, 10:41 AM	#3380
sovereignstar v2 hates iowa Join Date: Oct 2010	Big Ten may reconsider Legends and Leaders division names - NCAA Football - Sporting News

12-17-2010, 11:01 AM	#3382
RomaGoth Favored Bitch #2 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Here	What about West and East. I know it's boring, but at least it makes relative sense.

12-17-2010, 11:12 AM	#3383
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	And put Michigan, the third eastern-most team, in the Big Ten West? I don't see what would have been wrong with a North division of Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Michigan, Northwestern, and Iowa, and a South division of Purdue, Penn State, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, and Nebraska.

12-17-2010, 11:59 AM	#3384
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Great example of what happens when a corporation overthinks things. East/West, North/South (even if things don't match up geographically perfectly - no sports divisions do, it's not a big deal), or name them after some conference legend. It doesn't matter that the latter is "exclusive" or whatever stupid reason they used to determine that wasn't good.

12-17-2010, 12:15 PM	#3386
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Let's name the divisions Batman and Robin. Almost anything is better than Legends and Leaders.

12-17-2010, 12:16 PM	#3388
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Aches and Pains? __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-17-2010, 12:21 PM	#3389
RomaGoth Favored Bitch #2 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Here	Any of these are better than Leaders and Legends: Penn & Teller Sigfried & Roy Might & Magic Dungeons & Dragons

12-17-2010, 12:22 PM	#3390
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	Yogi and Boo Boo

12-17-2010, 12:23 PM	#3391
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Maybe they should alternate division names according to who wins the conference championship game every year. The awesomes and the dog poop. Last edited by molson : 12-17-2010 at 12:23 PM.

12-17-2010, 12:24 PM	#3392
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Cheese and Crackers. Wait, I guess you can't have just Wisconsin in its own division... __________________ null

12-17-2010, 12:34 PM	#3395
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	It clearly means they don't want to honor just Michigan and Ohio State wit hthe names of their conferences. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-17-2010, 12:57 PM	#3398
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I think it's a legit issue. The division names represent the entire conference, not just the most successful football teams. Would be like calling the ACC divisions the Tomahawks and the Ibises. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-17-2010, 01:00 PM	#3399
sovereignstar v2 hates iowa Join Date: Oct 2010	Of course it's a legit issue. Anyone that doesn't see that is an ignorant slut.

12-17-2010, 01:06 PM	#3400
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	You could have the Pros and Joes division