2009 MLB Regular Season Thread - Page 66

JetsIn06 · 07-23-2009, 03:09 PM

OH MY GOD

Did anyone just fucking see that!!!

MikeVic · 07-23-2009, 03:11 PM

Officially a perfect game?

stevew · 07-23-2009, 03:11 PM

yeah-

Logan · 07-23-2009, 03:12 PM

What was the big play?

yacovfb · 07-23-2009, 03:12 PM

Wait a sec...gamecenter said Kaplar doubled at first. Was it actually close to a double or were they just making that up?

kingfc22 · 07-23-2009, 03:13 PM

CF Wise robbed a home run, running into the wall and juggling it to the ground. At least that is how Jon Miller described it on the Giants radio broadcast.

Jas_lov · 07-23-2009, 03:14 PM

It was a long drive deep to CF and Wise leaped up at the wall and made the catch. If he didn't, the ball was going out of the park.

Maple Leafs · 07-23-2009, 03:15 PM

Was that the final out?

stevew · 07-23-2009, 03:15 PM

holy shit, that was the craziest catch ever.

edit) first out of the inning. Basically robbed a homer, and then almost dropped it on the way back in, and then more or less barehanded it to control. Insane.

Logan · 07-23-2009, 03:15 PM

Impressive.

Big Fo · 07-23-2009, 03:15 PM

Yeah, his glove was at least a foot over the top of the fence and then he juggled it on the way down before securing it with his non-gloved hand. Pretty awesome.

MikeVic · 07-23-2009, 03:15 PM

Didn't Wise just come in as a defensive replacement too?

k0ruptr · 07-23-2009, 03:16 PM

MARK BUEHRLE I LOVE YOU

JetsIn06 · 07-23-2009, 03:16 PM

The play was the first out of the inning.

Seriously one of the best plays I've ever seen. On the way down he bobbled it and basically had to catch it with his bare hand.

TheNorm · 07-23-2009, 03:18 PM

That was a great play by Wise, ah well, tip of the hat to Buehrle. Hopefully that's the highlight of the rest of the week for the White Sox.

k0ruptr · 07-23-2009, 03:19 PM

I didn't post here earlier, didn't want to jinx it. but an AMAZING PLAY, and some amazing pitching today. oh yea

NICE TRY DETOX

larrymcg421 · 07-23-2009, 03:21 PM

Reminds me of the Otis Nixon play against the Pirates, except that one preserved a victory.

samifan24 · 07-23-2009, 03:22 PM

I'm very happy for Mark Buehrle, Dewayne Wise and the White Sox. What an impressive feat.

Maple Leafs · 07-23-2009, 03:23 PM

This play apparently happened 15 minutes ago, and I'm increasingly annoyed that I haven't seen the video anywhere.

I love the internet age.

Logan · 07-23-2009, 03:24 PM

Almost sounds like Endy Chavez in the 2006 NLCS against the Cardinals, at least the dead run part (as opposed to having a chance to plant and time the leap).

Enough talk...there's gotta be a link to share.

MikeVic · 07-23-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

This play apparently happened 15 minutes ago, and I'm increasingly annoyed that I haven't seen the video anywhere.

I love the internet age.

Hahaha me too. Where the hell is a video already!

Maple Leafs · 07-23-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Hahaha me too. Where the hell is a video already!

Seriously. What am I, amish? Let's go!

k0ruptr · 07-23-2009, 03:30 PM

espn people.

k0ruptr · 07-23-2009, 03:30 PM

its amazing, but even more amazing that it was to preserve a perfect game in the 9th inning.

k0ruptr · 07-23-2009, 03:31 PM

also video is on front page of mlb.com

ThunderingHERD · 07-23-2009, 03:33 PM

Logan · 07-23-2009, 03:34 PM

Bunch of people won't be able to tell their boss that they saw a perfect game.

MikeVic · 07-23-2009, 03:34 PM

Thanks, finally!

Good catch.

k0ruptr · 07-23-2009, 03:35 PM

I couldn't be having a better day! OMG

Travis · 07-23-2009, 03:37 PM

Just watched it on the iphone mlb app.

Unreal play, especially given that that would have been the first play Wise was in for I'm assuming? Nice move by the skipper and Buerhle is probably buying them both an awfully nice dinner.

Logan · 07-23-2009, 03:42 PM

I can't believe Ramon Castro caught the fuckin thing.

k0ruptr · 07-23-2009, 03:48 PM

It's my girlfriends birthday, and she woke up to me screaming and yelling some nonsense about how I'll love dewayne wise for the rest of my life.

k0ruptr · 07-23-2009, 03:50 PM

dola damn these people are quick! from Wise' wikipedia page

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On July 23, 2009, Wise made a spectacular home run robbing catch in the 9th inning to preserve a perfect game thrown by Mark Buehrle.

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2009, 03:50 PM

Awesome.

dawgfan · 07-23-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

If I'm the player in question I would be thinking about passing up whatever deal is on the table now and then what could happen when I throw my arm out pitching for some independent league team who doesn't give two shits about what happens to me so long as I'm on the mound as often as possible so tickets get sold.

I might be thinking about what might happen if I don't pitch as well as I have been lately and after re-entering the draft I could slide a few spots...or rounds. Whoops.

So you take the first offer the team pushes your way? You don't try to negotiate at all? That's your right, and as the client it's ultimately your call. But are you really telling me you wouldn't want someone to help you negotiate to see if you can do better than what you'd get on your own?

As for specific points you bring up, in particular this one stands out:

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I'm also thinking about the fact that I'm going to hit free agency one year later because I'm holding out for a extra mil or two (no idea what Stras has been offered/is expecting) now meanwhile I could be giving up 10's of millions of dollars for what would've been my first year of free agency.

The difference between what Strasburg appears to be asking for right now and what the Nats are probably offering is far more than a mil or two. And with the fragile nature of pitchers and the frequency that they blow their arms out, it's hardly a sure thing that he'll hit his free agency years as a guy in demand. Strasburg knows he's in heavy demand now - there's a decent chance he won't be in demand by the time he'd hit free agency. For pitchers, there's a big incentive to maximize your payday now, because you may not ever see another big one.

johnnyshaka · 07-23-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

So you take the first offer the team pushes your way? You don't try to negotiate at all? That's your right, and as the client it's ultimately your call. But are you really telling me you wouldn't want someone to help you negotiate to see if you can do better than what you'd get on your own?

There's negotiating and then there is demanding...Bora$ uses the latter.

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

The difference between what Strasburg appears to be asking for right now and what the Nats are probably offering is far more than a mil or two. And with the fragile nature of pitchers and the frequency that they blow their arms out, it's hardly a sure thing that he'll hit his free agency years as a guy in demand. Strasburg knows he's in heavy demand now - there's a decent chance he won't be in demand by the time he'd hit free agency. For pitchers, there's a big incentive to maximize your payday now, because you may not ever see another big one.

So the team needs to take ALL the risk on whether he even makes the team at some point, is able to even play for the majority of his contract, and is worth every penny of the deal?

ThunderingHERD · 07-23-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

So the team needs to take ALL the risk on whether he even makes the team at some point, is able to even play for the majority of his contract, and is worth every penny of the deal?

Every contract is a balancing act of risk vs. reward. If they don't like the balance then they don't have to sign him.

Crapshoot · 07-23-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

There's negotiating and then there is demanding...Bora$ uses the latter.

So the team needs to take ALL the risk on whether he even makes the team at some point, is able to even play for the majority of his contract, and is worth every penny of the deal?

Wtf? Demanding? Tell you what, I want you to work for min wage. And if you complain, that's "demanding." This just comes across as petty jealousy; "oh my gawd, how dare a player demand big money for his services."

The team gets 6 years of cost-controlled major league service. A marginal win is worth about $4M on the open market; 6 ML years of Strasburg will far exceed the value of whatever contract he signs. If the team does not believe Strasburg is worth it, they are free to draft someone else. If he was on the open market, he would get $50M; easily. For him, this may be the only contract of his life, and he's only allowed to negotiate with one party; I'd damn well get every $ I can.

molson · 07-23-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

There's negotiating and then there is demanding...Bora$ uses the latter.

And it works for him. He's a huge success, and his players are successful because of him.

I'd love to see it all crash down upon him, have a couple of high profile failures where his aggressive tactics backfire on him - but it doesn't really happen. He's obviously not an idiot, he knows where that line is.

DaddyTorgo · 07-23-2009, 09:56 PM

i think the problem is that MLB contracts are guaranteed. that seems to be somewhat of a consensus?

dawgfan · 07-23-2009, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Wtf? Demanding? Tell you what, I want you to work for min wage. And if you complain, that's "demanding." This just comes across as petty jealousy; "oh my gawd, how dare a player demand big money for his services."

The team gets 6 years of cost-controlled major league service. A marginal win is worth about $4M on the open market; 6 ML years of Strasburg will far exceed the value of whatever contract he signs. If the team does not believe Strasburg is worth it, they are free to draft someone else. If he was on the open market, he would get $50M; easily. For him, this may be the only contract of his life, and he's only allowed to negotiate with one party; I'd damn well get every $ I can.

Crapshoot gets it. johnnyshaka doesn't.

johnnyshaka · 07-23-2009, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Wtf? Demanding? Tell you what, I want you to work for min wage. And if you complain, that's "demanding." This just comes across as petty jealousy; "oh my gawd, how dare a player demand big money for his services."

CS, not sure why you are getting so irritated as this is the second time you've quoted me and started with "wtf"...huh? And I'm not jealous of these guys at all, in fact, if it weren't for them I couldn't enjoy the great game of baseball so I'm thankful for them.

I have no problem working for minimum wage when I have no experience and I'm the lowest guy on the totem pole...and I'm sure I'm not the only one here who's done it, and I won't be the last.

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

The team gets 6 years of cost-controlled major league service. A marginal win is worth about $4M on the open market; 6 ML years of Strasburg will far exceed the value of whatever contract he signs. If the team does not believe Strasburg is worth it, they are free to draft someone else. If he was on the open market, he would get $50M; easily. For him, this may be the only contract of his life, and he's only allowed to negotiate with one party; I'd damn well get every $ I can.

So a team that can't afford to miss on that magnitude (need players and don't have the scratch to gamble it away) is left with a pretty big decision...put all the eggs in one basket and hope to God he doesn't get hurt...is as good as advertised...and hope he doesn't get hurt. But on the other hand, some of the more well off guys can take that risk any day of the week and twice on Sundays. If he doesn't work out, that's OK, it's just money and we'll go sign the best guy on the market to take his place...oh well. That's why it bugs me...this system only works for about half a dozen teams...and that's stretching it.

larrymcg421 · 07-23-2009, 11:40 PM

Having seen the replays a few times, I'm not sure that the Wise play would have been a Home Run. It looks like it was coming down at a pretty steep angle and would've hit just below the top of the fence.

johnnyshaka · 07-23-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Having seen the replays a few times, I'm not sure that the Wise play would have been a Home Run. It looks like it was coming down at a pretty steep angle and would've hit just below the top of the fence.

Still would've ended the bid for a perfect game, though.

And for those keeping score at home, Garrett Jones knocked in a couple of runs (so far) tonight without hitting a homer.

larrymcg421 · 07-23-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Still would've ended the bid for a perfect game, though.

And for those keeping score at home, Garrett Jones knocked in a couple of runs (so far) tonight without hitting a homer.

Definitely. I'm certainly not suggesting it wasn't a great play.

stevew · 07-24-2009, 12:01 AM

Yeah-Garrett Fuckin' Jones was 3-4 tonight.

The pirates chase Haren in 5, then proceed to give up 10 unanswered runs. Not a good day today.

lordscarlet · 07-24-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

I have no problem working for minimum wage when I have no experience and I'm the lowest guy on the totem pole...and I'm sure I'm not the only one here who's done it, and I won't be the last.

The difference is that when you are hired at minimum wage you are not required to work for minimum wage for six years, have a high chance at injury/failure, and are not barred from working at any other company in your field.

kingfc22 · 07-24-2009, 10:24 AM

Can the White Sox get that buffoon off the microphone!

Great performance is almost tainted by that horrendous radio call.

LloydLungs · 07-24-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Can the White Sox get that buffoon off the microphone!

Great performance is almost tainted by that horrendous radio call.

Radio call? You mean you're referencing a buffoon White Sox announcer and it's NOT Hawk Harrelson? How many can they have over there?

I'm trying to avoid watching the Wise play with the sound on for fear of having to hear the uncomfortable sounds of the explosive multiple hillbilly orgasms coming from Hawk. Poor Stoney... I hope he had already bailed out of the booth at that point...

kingfc22 · 07-24-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by LloydLungs

Radio call? You mean you're referencing a buffoon White Sox announcer and it's NOT Hawk Harrelson? How many can they have over there?

I'm trying to avoid watching the Wise play with the sound on for fear of having to hear the uncomfortable sounds of the explosive multiple hillbilly orgasms coming from Hawk. Poor Stoney... I hope he had already bailed out of the booth at that point...

No it was Hawk. Heard the call on the radio this morning on my way into work. Wasn't sure if he just did TV or radio for the Sox.

But he is embarassing.

07-23-2009, 03:13 PM	#3256
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	CF Wise robbed a home run, running into the wall and juggling it to the ground. At least that is how Jon Miller described it on the Giants radio broadcast. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

07-23-2009, 03:15 PM	#3258
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Was that the final out? __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

07-23-2009, 03:15 PM	#3259
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	holy shit, that was the craziest catch ever. edit) first out of the inning. Basically robbed a homer, and then almost dropped it on the way back in, and then more or less barehanded it to control. Insane. Last edited by stevew : 07-23-2009 at 03:18 PM.

07-23-2009, 03:21 PM	#3267
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Reminds me of the Otis Nixon play against the Pirates, except that one preserved a victory. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

07-23-2009, 03:22 PM	#3268
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	I'm very happy for Mark Buehrle, Dewayne Wise and the White Sox. What an impressive feat. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

07-23-2009, 03:09 PM	#3251
JetsIn06 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Rahway, NJ	OH MY GOD Did anyone just fucking see that!!!

07-23-2009, 03:11 PM	#3252
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Officially a perfect game?

07-23-2009, 03:11 PM	#3253
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	yeah-

07-23-2009, 03:12 PM	#3254
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	What was the big play?

07-23-2009, 03:12 PM	#3255
yacovfb H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Aug 2002	Wait a sec...gamecenter said Kaplar doubled at first. Was it actually close to a double or were they just making that up?

07-23-2009, 03:14 PM	#3257
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	It was a long drive deep to CF and Wise leaped up at the wall and made the catch. If he didn't, the ball was going out of the park.

07-23-2009, 03:15 PM	#3260
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Impressive.

07-23-2009, 03:15 PM	#3261
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	Yeah, his glove was at least a foot over the top of the fence and then he juggled it on the way down before securing it with his non-gloved hand. Pretty awesome.

07-23-2009, 03:15 PM	#3262
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Didn't Wise just come in as a defensive replacement too?

07-23-2009, 03:16 PM	#3263
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	MARK BUEHRLE I LOVE YOU

07-23-2009, 03:16 PM	#3264
JetsIn06 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Rahway, NJ	The play was the first out of the inning. Seriously one of the best plays I've ever seen. On the way down he bobbled it and basically had to catch it with his bare hand.

07-23-2009, 03:18 PM	#3265
TheNorm Mascot Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Chicago, IL	That was a great play by Wise, ah well, tip of the hat to Buehrle. Hopefully that's the highlight of the rest of the week for the White Sox.

07-23-2009, 03:19 PM	#3266
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	I didn't post here earlier, didn't want to jinx it. but an AMAZING PLAY, and some amazing pitching today. oh yea NICE TRY DETOX

07-23-2009, 03:23 PM	#3269
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	This play apparently happened 15 minutes ago, and I'm increasingly annoyed that I haven't seen the video anywhere. I love the internet age. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

07-23-2009, 03:24 PM	#3270
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Almost sounds like Endy Chavez in the 2006 NLCS against the Cardinals, at least the dead run part (as opposed to having a chance to plant and time the leap). Enough talk...there's gotta be a link to share.

07-23-2009, 03:30 PM	#3273
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	espn people.

07-23-2009, 03:30 PM	#3274
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	its amazing, but even more amazing that it was to preserve a perfect game in the 9th inning.

07-23-2009, 03:31 PM	#3275
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	also video is on front page of mlb.com

07-23-2009, 03:33 PM	#3276
ThunderingHERD College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	__________________ "I'm losing my edge--to better looking people... with better ideas... and more talent. And who are actually really, really nice." "Everyone's a voyeurist--they're watching me watch them watch me right now."

07-23-2009, 03:34 PM	#3277
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Bunch of people won't be able to tell their boss that they saw a perfect game.

07-23-2009, 03:34 PM	#3278
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Thanks, finally! Good catch.

07-23-2009, 03:35 PM	#3279
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	I couldn't be having a better day! OMG

07-23-2009, 03:37 PM	#3280
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Just watched it on the iphone mlb app. Unreal play, especially given that that would have been the first play Wise was in for I'm assuming? Nice move by the skipper and Buerhle is probably buying them both an awfully nice dinner. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

07-23-2009, 03:42 PM	#3281
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I can't believe Ramon Castro caught the fuckin thing.

07-23-2009, 03:48 PM	#3282
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	It's my girlfriends birthday, and she woke up to me screaming and yelling some nonsense about how I'll love dewayne wise for the rest of my life.

07-23-2009, 03:50 PM	#3284
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Awesome. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-23-2009, 09:56 PM	#3290
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i think the problem is that MLB contracts are guaranteed. that seems to be somewhat of a consensus? __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

07-23-2009, 11:40 PM	#3293
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Having seen the replays a few times, I'm not sure that the Wise play would have been a Home Run. It looks like it was coming down at a pretty steep angle and would've hit just below the top of the fence. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

07-24-2009, 12:01 AM	#3296
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Yeah-Garrett Fuckin' Jones was 3-4 tonight. The pirates chase Haren in 5, then proceed to give up 10 unanswered runs. Not a good day today.

07-24-2009, 10:24 AM	#3298
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Can the White Sox get that buffoon off the microphone! Great performance is almost tainted by that horrendous radio call. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal