07-22-2009, 02:57 PM | #3201 | |
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Small sample size...sure, but today he was 3 for 4 with a homer and 2 doubles. The only time he was at the plate with a man on he ended up striking out. Crazy. |
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07-22-2009, 03:21 PM | #3202 | |
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I'm no big fan of Boras by any stretch, but let's be clear here - he's just the agent. Strasburg is his boss. If Strasburg doesn't like the way Boras is negotiating on his behalf, he can fire him and hire someone else. Ultimate responsibility for anything Boras does rests with the players that employ him. And if you were an amateur baseball prospect, you'd sure as hell appreciate the way Boras would fight to get you as much as you were worth. |
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07-22-2009, 03:23 PM | #3203 | |
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07-22-2009, 03:35 PM | #3204 | |
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WTF? Do players have rights, or are they supposed to kiss their stars for having employment? This kind of "OMG ITS A GAME" thing really bothers me; this may be the only contract he ever gets, and he should do everything he can to maximize it/ |
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07-22-2009, 03:39 PM | #3205 | |
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How many innings has Strasburg pitched in the MLB so far? How many wins or Cy Youngs does he have already? And he's going to command how many millions before doing any of the above? That doesn't seem a little backwards to you? |
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07-22-2009, 03:40 PM | #3206 | |
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Not if there's a team willing to give it to him for his potential future production.
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07-22-2009, 03:43 PM | #3207 | |
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The only thing that matters is how things end up for him. If this ruins his career, then it's backwards. If this allows him to eventually make more money somewhere else than he would with the Nationals, then it was clearly a good move. I think you're making a broader point about the MLB draft rules, but Boras/Strasburg are not and should not be sympathetic to things like that. Boras' job is making the right deal for Strasburg, that's it, not to make Nationals fans happy, and not to work a "fair" deal for the other side considering Strasburg' lack of experience. The only check on Boras' aggresiveness is that teams may not want to deal with him, and his guys may drop in the draft. There's always some grumbling about that, but is doesn't seem to be the case yet. Last edited by molson : 07-22-2009 at 03:44 PM. |
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07-22-2009, 03:44 PM | #3208 |
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I think the issue is more MLB than Boras. He's operating within the framework he's given. I have a similar issue with the NFL where guys coming out of college are making more (at least the top picks) than perennial stars at their positions. At least with football you can defend it a bit given how violent the sport is and how predominant injuries are compared to other sports, but still, it doesn't seem right that guys who have never played an inning/quarter are making more than guys who are on second/third contracts (especially given how the MLB draft setup is) and have proven themselves as top tier players in the league.
So while I may not be a Boras fan, hard to fault him for pushing the limits given to him by the league. Hopefully this spurs some changes to the format that'll result in a better (for the sport) system, whatever that may be (as I'm sure we all have our own opinions on that front).
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07-22-2009, 03:45 PM | #3209 |
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Actually, it seems quite forwards to me. It's the restriction of their ability to work for wages that reflect their skills that seems backwards to me.
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07-22-2009, 03:46 PM | #3210 | |
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I know actual law might be/is different, but drafts violate antitrust rulings in the first place imo. I don't think a union should be able to negotiate constraints on a future group of players it doesn't represent at the time. |
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07-22-2009, 05:05 PM | #3211 |
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So as much as I bash on Inge, he is winning me over. Apparently he is playing with what they're saying is 75% of a tendon torn and he won't go on the DL. It's been like this since before the ASB and he hasn't complained, just kept playing. He might consider surgery but anything that might end his season he is saying he won't bother with. Obviously right now it hasn't been a detriment on his play but once it gets there, if it does anyway, it could obviously become a problem.
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07-22-2009, 05:27 PM | #3212 |
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Inge has left patella tendon tear
It amounts to 75 percent of one of the three strands that make up the patella (knee cap) tendon - so he can play on it, but that's why you see him favoring his left knee. Inge said he would agree to go on the 15-day disabled list if he could be told his absence would last no more than 15 days and that he would be pain-free the rest of the year when he returns. The medical staff can't make those guarantees, however, so it's Inge's belief he will play with pain the rest of the year. He also said it's excruciating pain at times. |
07-22-2009, 05:43 PM | #3213 |
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Hey the Red Sox got something for Julio Lugo!
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07-22-2009, 05:47 PM | #3214 |
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Chris Duncan actually has a lower OPS+ this year than Lugo does (84 to 85), LOL!
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07-22-2009, 05:54 PM | #3215 |
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I repeat: The Sox got something for Julio Lugo!
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07-22-2009, 06:32 PM | #3216 |
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One wonders if Cards fans are saying: The Cards got something for Chris Duncan!
After all, the Sox are still on the hook for the huge salary they offered to Lugo.
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07-22-2009, 06:33 PM | #3217 |
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The point you are missing, I'd say, is that they were going to release him, and pay his full salary. That they got something, now matter how shitty you may think that something is, surprised me.
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07-22-2009, 06:54 PM | #3218 | |
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Consider the fact that in baseball, most players reach peak performance while still under club control and are thus vastly underpaid compared to what they'd command on the open market. If Strasburg is close to as good as his hype (and is healthy for the duration of the time he's under club control to the Nats) he'll be vastly underpaid compared to what he'd command on the open market, even considering the possibility that he signs for something massive like $30M. Once again, think about this from the perspective of the player in question - why shouldn't they try to maximize their value at this one point in time when they hold some leverage, considering that once they sign they will lose most leverage for several years and have a very good chance of being severely underpaid for their performance? |
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07-22-2009, 07:46 PM | #3219 | |
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I hate to do this since it'll probably jinx Jair for the rest of the night. Lincecum's line for the night: 5 IP, 7H, 4ER, 2BB, 9K, 1HR Braves lead 4-0 after 5 1/2, Jurrjens has allowed only an early single to Benji Molina. edit to add: FWIW, on Braves radio, Don Sutton was talking about his location just being off by enough tonight to create a couple of opportunities for hitters which they took full advantage of.
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07-22-2009, 07:47 PM | #3220 | |
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that's 2 big IF's
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07-22-2009, 08:37 PM | #3222 |
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07-22-2009, 08:58 PM | #3223 |
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Sure, but the point is to illustrate the fact that players earn far less in their club-controlled years than they would on the open market. Because of the way the system currently works, players sacrifice a great deal of their real worth, presumably for the benefit of the sport as a whole (the suppressed salary structure for young players allows small-revenue teams to have a chance at succeeding).
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07-22-2009, 09:12 PM | #3224 |
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Damn you, Bobby Seay.
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07-22-2009, 10:26 PM | #3226 |
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07-22-2009, 11:28 PM | #3227 |
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this is fun
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07-23-2009, 12:18 AM | #3228 | |
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If I'm the player in question I would be thinking about passing up whatever deal is on the table now and then what could happen when I throw my arm out pitching for some independent league team who doesn't give two shits about what happens to me so long as I'm on the mound as often as possible so tickets get sold. I might be thinking about what might happen if I don't pitch as well as I have been lately and after re-entering the draft I could slide a few spots...or rounds. Whoops. I'm also thinking about the fact that I'm going to hit free agency one year later because I'm holding out for a extra mil or two (no idea what Stras has been offered/is expecting) now meanwhile I could be giving up 10's of millions of dollars for what would've been my first year of free agency. |
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07-23-2009, 12:33 AM | #3229 |
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Chisox within 1 of the tigers!
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07-23-2009, 12:38 AM | #3230 |
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I'm really not convinced that Boras is capable of negotiating in good faith.
The whole Alvarez thing last year really pissed me off. I think there's really a difference between doing right for your client, and flat out being a sleazebag. And anyways, the whole draft process is whacked. The fact that the Nats(or any other team in the draft with their slot) can't flip him like an asset is fundamentally broken. |
07-23-2009, 02:03 AM | #3231 |
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The Alvarez thing, where the Pirates unilaterally got an exception and leverage that the guy wasn't aware of? Man, Bud Selig is the fucking sleazebag there; its completely unfair to tell the player this is the deadline, but tell the team, actually, you can extend it 5 min and no worries. It takes remarkable chuptzah to blame that on the kid.
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07-23-2009, 02:06 AM | #3232 |
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Let's not leave San Diego out of this
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07-23-2009, 02:18 AM | #3233 | |
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The problem there was Alvarez and Hosmer both agreed to deals after the deadline because they got extensions from MLB, but the one Boras had a problem with was Alvarez's. He got a grievance filed on the Alvarez deal, but kept quiet about Hosmer's because he was happy with the money. Last edited by Atocep : 07-23-2009 at 05:27 PM. |
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07-23-2009, 02:28 PM | #3237 |
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Looking at the boxscore, it seems something kind of cool is in progress at US Cellular field.
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07-23-2009, 02:28 PM | #3238 |
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Through 6 innings.
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07-23-2009, 02:32 PM | #3240 |
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Now all we need is a guy to come out and say it while still playing...
Jim Parque's confession that he used HGH draws ambivalence and admiration among the Chicago White Sox - ESPN Chicago |
07-23-2009, 02:34 PM | #3241 |
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Looks like Mark Buerhle is throwing a No Hitter. Perhaps a Perfect Game. Can he keep up his No Hit - Perfect Game bid? I surely hope he can keep up his No Hit bid.
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07-23-2009, 02:41 PM | #3242 |
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Time to lay down a bunt!
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07-23-2009, 02:48 PM | #3243 |
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07-23-2009, 02:52 PM | #3244 |
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why aren't you supposed to talk about a no hitter?
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07-23-2009, 02:55 PM | #3245 |
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I guess if you say something about a no-hitter, then somebody gets a hit. No-hitter, no-hitter, no-hitter
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07-23-2009, 03:01 PM | #3246 |
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Holy crap that was close.
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07-23-2009, 03:03 PM | #3247 |
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Zito is going to be the guy to stop the losing streak...Who would have thunk it.
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07-23-2009, 03:07 PM | #3248 |
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I predict a 2-out HR by Bartlett.
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07-23-2009, 03:07 PM | #3249 |
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Here we go...going into the 9th.
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LOL, sick catch. Just 1 out away now.
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