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Great - above my expectations | 18 | 6.87% | |
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Average - so so, disappointed a little | 64 | 24.43% | |
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08-07-2009, 12:41 PM | #3101 | ||
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I don't need to brag in any way about what I do. If someone does that, it's hardly charity IMO. With that said, I don't see where it's ever appropriate to attack a person on a board with no basis for the attack in regards to their personal life. As for the argument that I'm somehow little more than a talking point machine, it's false and I've proved that repeatedly. No one bothers to discuss it when I agree with Obama (which I have several times), but they'll attack me the moment I agree with the Republican side of things. Why? There's little question why. And I'm not going to feed the unicorns and rainbows view of the world like you would prefer. There's a lot of crap being fed through the government right now, and most of it is equally as nasty as the spending increases under Bush. Ignoring it does nothing, though you're certainly welcome to ignore my opinions and links if you choose to do so. It would be an improvement over unwarranted personal attacks for sure. |
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I work in a state with among the highest unemployment, whose leaders think it's more important to brand textbooks as theories and ban stem cell research instead of putting plans forward to do something. The University is cutting 10-15% (because of the state budget) and I am about to be on teaching duty again this semester. Oh, and I have a 4 month old meaning I'm neither getting laid or sleeping
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Hey, at least you have a beautiful child who will one day sleep through the night, right? I know that doesn't help much. I don't actually remember much from when my youngest were that age. I was sleeping in the guest room since my wife wanted the twins in bed with her to make nursing easier. I got sleep, but that was about it. As for the teaching duties, what are your usual job duties? Is this something that you're not supposed to be doing? Look on the bright side... at least now you can get valuable face-to-face indoctrination time with the next generation.
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08-07-2009, 02:37 PM | #3106 | |
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Ain't that the truth. My wife & I were just talking about our almost-1-year-old and thinking about how our memories of, say, the first 3 months are somewhat hazy. I mean, we remember the good (i.e. cute) stuff, but we know that it was uber-hard, just not the exact details of why it was uber-hard. I think this is how people convince themselves to have another kid, honestly.... |
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08-07-2009, 06:25 PM | #3107 | |
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- We will apparently be euthanizing old people. - You'll be required to speak other languages - Required to sign power of attorney over to people - Can't pick your doctor - Tons of stuff about ACORN that didn't make sense - Mandatory abortions! - Government taking over all medical schools - Government will dictate what you are allowed to eat There's a lot more. I mean I know many of these people are not too bright and would struggle to read through a couple pages of the actual bill. But the misinformation out there is really crazy. I understand people not wanting it because they think it won't work or will cost too much. But to have the party give credibility to ridiculous euthanasia myths shows they really don't have much to stand on. When people can't win on the issue, they make stuff up. I personally don't care either way anymore. I can afford insurance and will (knock on wood) always be able to. The people up in arms are the ones that need some form of health care reform the most. The Red states are the unhealthiest and the ones with the worst life expectancy rates. |
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08-07-2009, 06:26 PM | #3108 |
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Here's a thorough debunking of that email:
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IIRC, according to CBO estimates and the like, its not going to fund the health program, regardless of "how the current bill is set up". It's a pipe dream. And if you think that it will be possible to fund the program with "how the current bill is set up", then I have a bridge to sell you. Guess what, there will be explosion in the deficit and then people will be told that taxes will have to be raised on everyone to close the deficit.
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Would you say then that your posted criticisms have been equally fair towards Obama and Bush spending? |
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08-08-2009, 03:12 AM | #3115 |
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Germany's Cash-For-Clunkes Corruption
Germany's Cash-for-Clunkers Black-Market Scandal - Yahoo! News First of all, I thought the Obama administation invented "Cash for Clunkers". I guess not. Facts from the article. 1. The German version allows any vehicle nine years or older to be turned in for 3,600 tax-payer dollars. 2. The Germans have a limit set at aound $7.2 billion dollars for their program that started in February. (for us to match their effort, based on population alone, we will ultimately need to earmark aound $15 billion for this program.) Concerns raised in the article 1. Police are estimating that Germans "scrapped" 50,000 clunkers that have made their way to eastern Europe/Africa. So those cars aren't saving the environment anyway. That's $180 million German tax-payer dollars that were used to set up a fairly lucrative black-market for older cars and just moves the pollution to other countries/regions. Last edited by Dutch : 08-08-2009 at 03:12 AM. |
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While I'm fiscally conservative on most stuff, I do think health care should be treated the same way we treat police and fire services. Something that we are all entitled to. I don't think it should raise the deficit though and the money should come from other areas like welfare, foreign aid, closing tax loopholes, and some major reforms in many departments of government. |
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08-08-2009, 03:29 AM | #3117 | |
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Okay, I didn't realize that you were equally vocal against Bush spending and Obama spending. I'm sure it was just an inaccurate perception I developed. |
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That's not more important to me and I've been very consistent in that manner. I come down on both sides of the issue depending on the topic. If you're here to argue the bias of a person, that's fine. I'm here to argue the issues. As bad as Bush was in regard to economics, it wasn't nearly as bad as what we're seeing under Obama with the deficit. Noticed this morning that there's been a rash of town hall meetings canceled due to 'security concerns'. It can be easily argued at this point that the Democrats went to the people and didn't like the response, so they just took the ball and ran back to Washington. Judging from their reactions at some of these smaller events, they don't want to hear people's opinions. Dennis Moore, a local rep, was going to have his at a place that holds 300 people. After he found out that people who oppose the health care bill would be coming, he moved it to a 30 person coffee shop and issues passes to certain constituents. As a result, he's going to have a large group of people outside the door showing their dissatisfaction at his sudden change of heart. Poor choice and not in the interest of the general public. |
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The only thing I'm indoctrinating is to get these kids of out undergraduate mentality (read and regurgitate) and in to graduate school mode (think, plan, and defend). I teach every fall to 1st year grad students, but it's medical-related so politics stays out of it. I do volunteer to go around the community and try to tell people that science is helpful and we're not all out to convince their kids Jesus didn't exist. That, and stem cell research can actually be beneficial and we're not stealing embryos and encouraging abortions. Teaching is ok, but takes lots of time.
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Health care debate degenerates into brawls, death threats - Politics AP - MiamiHerald.com but I dont want to divert you off your bias and spin train.
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Obviously, this is a strawman argument of the highest magnitude. I'm the one that said that the behavior exhibited in some of these town hall meetings has not been the best. No one has said that violence is appropriate in any way. But that doesn't change the fact that there there are legitimate concerns about the policies being proposed by this administration and the outrage is without question a response to these questionable policies. If anything, the majority of people who have legitimate concerns should be pissed off that a couple of yahoos decided to prank a death threat. It's given representatives in favor of this plan an excuse to hide in a cave rather than face their constituents. |
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WTF!? Youre the one who insinuated that theyre not really cancelling meetings because of threats AND you throw quotes around it to boot. I simply said, that it could be because there is actual violence being threatened. Why not stop playing the victim card in your posts and stick with it....you think theyre full of shit, thats a fine opinion to have. YOU SAID Quote:
you used the quotes around security concerns, not me and followed up the sentence about those concerns with your 'took the ball and went home' commentary. Stand by your post for credibility sake and reiterate your point instead of spinning to and fro like a top. Just say: "They arent really shutting down the meetings because of threats but because they dont like the feedback theyre getting" and follow it up when challenged with a, "thats right. I said it and I meant it" instead of playing your victim card, throwing up your strawman, claiming others picked something to use out of context, generalized you, misunderstood your statement, and that you sincerely are shocked about something.
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Isn't it fair to guess that politicians on both sides in general get a lot of threats? If each one resulted in canceled appointments and events and what not, nothing would get done. Terrorists wouldn't even bother to bomb things--they would just send letters.
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unless of course there is an organized mob mentality growing or being fomented. If anything that would be the time to lay low, let it pass, and then start the debate. Im not saying that they arent conveniently using that but I am saying it is just as likely that they are scared at some of that shit as MBBF's silly insinuations, faux neutrality and such.
Chief, "fair" is the key word you used and the answer is YES it is fair and both scenarios should be treated with equal possibility....unless of course the spinster needs to use it to boost their point or discount a counter-point. He parses polling data, leaves out truths, and links to partisan crap all while wearing a veil of neutrality and unbiased thought, and that is just nothing but Bullshit and the day he admits it will be the day where he becomes relevent again. Until then he'll always have peaked when he made the Obama/bowling 'faux-outrage' run.
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I don't lean one way or another on the possibility for why such town hall meetings were canceled (either option seems as strong a possibility as the other), but my pessimism about the intentions of politicians (both sides, all sides, whatever) feeds my inclination toward the belief that this cancellation is motivated more by political considerations than security concerns. I think that security concerns have to be rather significant and possible these days for an event to be canceled for them. The political ramifications for canceling these events is great, so it would require a very significant security threat for a politician to choose to go that route. However, canceling such events makes perfect sense within the political game, where canceling it here may hurt, but the political gain (or of political fallout) elsewhere could outgain the negative consequences of canceling the event.
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Is it really about a huge public uprising or is it the fact that the Glenn Becks of the world are telling people to show up at these things and disrupt them? A small percent of people make a large percent of the noise. These townhalls are not filled with the average moderate middle class family. They are filled with the farthest of the left and right looking for confrontations. In the same way that I don't think the Cindy Sheehans and Code Pink of the world represent the public because they showed up in force at various events. |
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It's probably both. One of the reasons too is that it's kind of pointless. From what I've read, the protesters scream and yell the whole time and don't let the representative talk or answer questions. You can't really have a townhall if you aren't willing to sit and listen and ask questions in a respectful manner. Reminds me of the kid who doesn't want to hear something, plugs his ears with his fingers and screams. If you had serious concerns about your dad getting euthanized, wouldn't you want to ask your representative if it's in the bill? |
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And a large chunk of them didn't, nor were they the core of his support.
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Enemy on what though? I mean what are the issues that make them "the enemy". This is what I'm trying to get. Is it just because it says D next to their name or are their certain issues that have turned them into your mortal enemy?
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It's true the middle class (which I would define as 50K-100K) voted almost 50/50 for both candidates. I am a middle class voter that did not vote for Obama (and I didn't vote for McCain either) and I side with Obama on a lot of social issues and some economic ones. But this health care proposal is ridiculous and I don't need Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh to tell me that its a massive clusterfuck. So quit acting like there aren't middle class people out there who support the president on many ideas, hope the economy recovers, and still think his health care plan is horrible for my situation. If there weren't valid viewpoints on both sides it wouldn't be an issue. |
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I'm going to take that question at face value because, well, I believe that's honestly how you're asking it. But damn, it might be easier to list the issues that we aren't diametrically opposed on, would be a hell of a lot shorter list. There's no way I could even begin to do a comprehensive list at 10p on a Saturday night & especially not with an increasingly roaring headache, so I'm going to use a little bit of a cheat sheet just to avoid overlooking even some obvious highlights. While I know that Obama's stances & statements aren't absolute gospel for the party (and McCain's definitely weren't for that matter either), I figure this candidates-on-the-issues guide from The New York Times looks to be deep enough to at least keep me from missing most of the bigger stuff. You phrased the question about "are there certain issues", so I'll skip the mostly obvious differences in positions and just hit the issues, I imagine the differences between general (D) positions and my own should be pretty obvious. These aren't in particular order beyond how they appear on the issues list provided with the article. Climate change - both cause and appropriate federal gov't response Taxation - most particularly the use of progressive taxation, but also corporate & individual tax rates under current system, Intelligent design - if, how, when, & where it is appropriate to teach Energy - Arctic drilling; windfall taxes on energy companies, nuclear power, ethanol subsidies, Health Care - appropriate role of gov't in health care Immigration - particularly amnesty but also more general areas as well Iraq - numerous disagreements there Gay Marriage - federal amendment, adoptions (and in general with much of the party, although noting here that Obama has not personally been a proponent of gay marriage itself) Gun Control - proper role vs Constitutional guarantees SCOTUS - appropriate judges worthy of appointment Consitution - to paraphrase Obama's own words, "static vs living document" And those are just some broad areas cribbed from key issues identified by the NYT from the last election. We could certainly add some more top-line issues such as approaches to education, church/state issues, crime & punishment, affirmative action, various bits of so-called civil rights policy & legislation, and proper use of various approaches in foreign policy. Off the top of my head the only two areas where I don't find myself in substantial disagreement with generally (D) positions I can think of are legal access to abortion and stem-cell research and depending upon whose doing the talking for them Social Security & the importance of its solvency.
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When I look at the issues, I really don't see a lot of differences between the two candidates. I also don't see that as being an "enemy". They just have different views than you. There is probably no candidate I can think of that would have the same exact views as you (nor me or anyone else for that matter).
While politics are a fun topic to debate and there are things I'd like to see in the country, I guess I don't take it as serious. Most of the issues you mentioned will have little impact on my life. I think it would make the country better or worse, but that still doesn't necessarily effect me heavily in anyway. I guess the only thing that matters to me is progressing society so we don't get left behind. It's a global economy and global system. Staying in the same place or moving backwards on social issues isn't safe for the country and its continued dominance on the world stage. |
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Here is a primary example of why it's a very dangerous practice politically for the Democrats to start lumping people together and assuming that they are part of any 'astroturfing'. A man in Georgia asked a legitimate question concerning health care and the representative decided to fly off the handle and say that this meeting was only for the concerns of the people in his district and that he wasn't going to let the guy 'hijack' the meeting.
Two problems: 1. The guy that asked the question was a doctor and a voter in the guy's district. 2. It's obvious from the shaking heads in the audience that there were a lot of other constituents who didn't appreciate him calling out this doctor with his false assumptions concerning the doctor's motives. This is quickly becoming something beyond health care. These comments could easily come home to roost in elections next year when their opponent notes that they were combative with their OWN voters assuming that only 'astroturfers' could be showing opposition to the bill. It's a very dangerous assumption. Video: 11Alive.com | Atlanta, GA | Video Article: http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblo...doctor-over-h/ |
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Eh, it's not likely to bother David Scott's job security. He's already survived being called out for referring to his female opponents as bitches, for back taxes on his business, for funneling over a half million dollars of campaign donations to said company (a billboard & t-shirt company), and being described as one of the most corrupt members of Congress. He also won his last election with the largest vote margin (69.9%) of any opposed Congressman in Georgia ... and that was running against a black female. The only way he's going anywhere is if he gets seen covorting with members of the GOP.
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You completely sidestepped your ridiculous "strawman" post from before which is a typical MBBF tactic. Throw your shit on the wall, get called on it, and then ignore the ramifications so that the initial post hangs out there and you never have to clarify, quantify, justify, or repeal. It is no wonder you constantly have to spin, its in order to never have to face the music of your own creation. Your "this is quickly becoming...." assumptions are so wrought with insinuation, hope, and spin that its amazing that you throw your hands up in a defensive manner and cry victim as if you dont know what youre trying to accomplish. Here, "It is quickly becoming apparent that the Republicans cant stay in a monogamous relationship and its becoming bigger than simply that, since we all know that that certainly leads to scatological behavior and drug usage." Prove it wrong...or simply go back and admit that there is just as likely a possibility that real violence is being threatened and that could equally be why meetings are being cancelled instead of insinuating that ALL Democratic Politicians are pussies and simply dont want to face the music. And you cherry pick one rep. who falls in your corner and completely discount another rep who is scared from receiving a death threat even though both deserve equal weight. Nice. Well played spin master.
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Anymore talking points today MBBF, or do they get put out a little slower on the weekend?
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