10-25-2020, 01:02 PM | #30151 |
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10-25-2020, 01:12 PM | #30152 |
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Hell, we had the chief of staff announce on CNN that they're not going to even try to contain it today.
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10-25-2020, 01:38 PM | #30153 | |
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Well that part is nonsense. What isn't nonsense though is that a lot of media is breathlessly reporting numbers without context. For example, in Michigan there's a lot of wringing of hands about the fact that we are getting more positive tests than April for the first time ... while ignoring the fact that we are testing orders of magnitude more people than we were then. It's always much easier to talk about the simple, sensationalized headline than educate about an issue. So it's not like we aren't giving these people plenty of ammunition (in this and other previously-discussed ways) |
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10-25-2020, 05:43 PM | #30154 |
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KY is breaking records for positive tests left and right, but our positivity rate has also increased from finally getting it under 4% to now approaching 6%. And of course the lagging deaths have finally started catching up, as we're reporting double digits on the daily. 3-4 weeks from now, 20+ deaths a day will probably be common here.
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10-26-2020, 04:46 AM | #30155 |
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The other thing bothering me is the "can't stop it anyway" fatalism. Even now the bugger is operating on less than half it's cylinders so to speak. An R of 1,3 or 1,5 is terrible, but still a far cry from what would happen if the majority gave up. Remember estimates and measurements are around 3 (3,3 in Germany f.e. early March. And we have a few structural advantages re: healthcare/sick leave/sick payments)
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10-26-2020, 08:23 AM | #30156 |
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Trump claiming this morning that COVID media coverage is a violation of election laws.
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10-26-2020, 08:27 AM | #30157 |
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So the real quote was
"I could shoot 1,000 people a day in the middle of 5th Avenue, and then I'd sue the media to keep them from covering it." |
10-26-2020, 08:48 AM | #30158 |
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This is pretty interesting...
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10-26-2020, 09:00 AM | #30159 |
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Wow.. it does seem turnout is WAAAY up in a lot of places. It's really heartening to see.
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10-26-2020, 09:33 AM | #30160 |
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And people wonder why Biden is keeping a lid on a week before the election? These people are his best campaign ad!
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10-26-2020, 09:35 AM | #30161 |
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What's so different about this year versus previous years?
People are tired of Trump? People want to support Trump? Lots of campaigns to get people to vote? A combination of all of it? My daughter turns 18 in January. I'm disappointed she missed a Presidential election by a few months. When we talk about it, she doesn't give a shit. She has no interest in politics, much like me when I was her age.
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10-26-2020, 09:40 AM | #30162 | |
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That one. A lot of this explosion in early voting is by those who lean Democrat. We always knew that Covid is going to lead to massive gains in early voting, but there are reports of groups (like the 65+ African Americans in Georgia) already voting at higher numbers than 4 years ago.
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10-26-2020, 09:42 AM | #30163 |
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People are definitely tired of Trump.
There has been a media blitz around voting like no other I've seen. I don't remember seeing ads during football games and regular TV talking just about "voting" and encouraging people to do so. Trump's base is his base, and I don't think they're any more enthusiastic than normal really. But the enthusiasm on the other side surpasses the anti-Clinton sentiment by quite a bit, IMO. I guess we'll find out in 9 days.
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10-26-2020, 09:46 AM | #30164 |
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I'd like to think it's people who are tired of Trump's shit, and are turning out to get rid of the bastard.
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10-26-2020, 09:47 AM | #30165 |
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Watched "Walking Dead: World Beyond" last night and caught a Trump commercial essentially characterizing Biden as a zombie. It caught me by surprise and I chuckled at it as I'm sure they created because of the series, appreciate the creativity.
But I thought it was kinda wasted advertising $, it would be more effective to spend the $ with an attack on Hunter. Last edited by Edward64 : 10-26-2020 at 09:48 AM. |
10-26-2020, 09:53 AM | #30166 |
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My 21 year old daughter is not political but hates Trump and couldn't wait to vote.
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10-26-2020, 09:53 AM | #30167 | |
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I think that the Hunter thing appeals to the base and nothing else. What's funny is that even if there were meat on the bones of the Hunter story, they would still have trouble getting people to believe it because the President was impeached for trying to create dirt on Hunter Biden. It makes the whole "Oh my goodness! Look what just appeared! Some dirt on Hunter Biden! And right in the middle of October! What a remarkable surprise and coincidence!" thing a bit hard for people who are not already true believers to swallow. |
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10-26-2020, 10:06 AM | #30168 |
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US threatens to destroy Iranian missiles shipped to Venezuela
Nothing like good old military threats to drum up support.
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10-26-2020, 10:28 AM | #30169 | |
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Are those all ballots or just those that made the cut ? (meaning definitely not thrown out for missing envelopes, mismatched signatures, using the wrong colour or other shit)
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10-26-2020, 10:32 AM | #30170 | |
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If they have been 'cast' that usually means accepted ballots.
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10-26-2020, 10:37 AM | #30171 |
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Honestly, I think the interest in this election is super high for two reasons.
One, Folks are tired of the "Trump Show." Every day it seems like there's new mind-boggling twists. Many folks are just tired of being mind-boggled all the time. If this was a TV show it would have jumped the shark around year 2.5 . To continue the TV show analogy, Finally, the Trump Show is up for renewal or cancellation and people are tired of it. Two) All the threats of vote-by-mail fuckery and "fraud", have people wanting to make sure that their vote is counted. And as a bonus, Three) People are convinced on both sides, that this is an "apocalyptic" election with dire consequences should "they" win. Edit: Think of it this way: President Trump was in the hospital with COVID and decided to go for a ride-about in a hermetically sealed vehicle, exposing secret service folks to it, possibly. That seems like forever ago. That was three weeks ago. Barely.
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10-26-2020, 10:49 AM | #30172 | |
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That is one where I owe an apology of sorts to Vic. He joked/complained about how every election was presented as the MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIVES. And I sort of thought that was a bit of an exaggeration. But looking at how GOP voters really see this as some last stand against socialism, Satanism, and pedophilia has been instructive. I was wrong. There is a ton of MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIVES going on. |
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10-26-2020, 10:51 AM | #30173 | |
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Nearly 2/3 of people think Trump lies a lot, so it's really hard for his attacks to stick because people outside of his base just assume it's all lies.
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10-26-2020, 10:58 AM | #30174 |
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A safe assumption.
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10-26-2020, 11:01 AM | #30175 | |
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It reminds me of the Book of Mormon musical when Joseph Smith is talking about finding the plaques in his back yard. This laptop repairman guy just happened to turn the data he copied over to Rudy Giuliani in time for the election.
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10-26-2020, 11:10 AM | #30176 |
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My daughter is 24, and this is the first election she had voted in. She only moderately kept up with politics (she and her friends were all big Bernie supporters 4 years ago, but not a one of them were registered to vote). She was motivated by how activily the whole GOP seems to be working to take away her rights.
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10-26-2020, 11:17 AM | #30177 |
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RE: electoral importance and the right wing...
I'm seeing lots of folks on the right who think this is FAR more important than '16. If Trump loses, the police will be abolished, guns will be confiscated, socialism will be instituted within a matter of months, all statues of and references to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson will be illegal, and men will dominate women's sports. And I'm just *barely* exaggerating what some otherwise-intelligent people I know are truly thinking. They are absolutely terrified--probably even more terrified than the fringes of the left were when Trump won the election. So, yeah, I'd expect right-wing turnout to be up as well. I still think Biden wins fairly handily, but I'm not gonna be shocked by anything that happens next week.
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10-26-2020, 11:21 AM | #30178 |
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You keep saying "otherwise-intelligent" but I keep hearing more and more non-intelligent beliefs...
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10-26-2020, 11:29 AM | #30179 |
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10-26-2020, 11:37 AM | #30180 | |
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No kidding. These were my choices for county Sheriff: Ed Troyer has served as the high-profile spokesperson for the Pierce County Sheriff's Department for 19 years. In addition to his work with the sheriff's department, Troyer has served as the executive director of CrimeStoppers for 17 years. He has a long track record of defending police violence and has been criticized for his role in the department's lack of transparency and failure to comply with I-940 after Ellis' killing. Lieutenant Cyndie Fajardo is a 32-year veteran of the Pierce County Sheriff's Department who manages the search and rescue program. From 1999 through 2003, Fajardo served as the interim chief for the Steilacoom Public Safety Department, which encompasses police, fire, and emergency medical services. Unfortunately, a drug unit Fajardo supervised was recently disbanded and is under investigation for misconduct, including falsifying records. As a result, the Pierce County Prosecutor’s Office added Fajardo to their “potential impeachment list” of staff who have been found to be dishonest. |
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10-26-2020, 11:37 AM | #30181 |
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Interesting. I just saw someone post that, on balance, COVID has helped incumbents around the world win reelection. That makes sense--rally around the flag and all that.
The USA is, of course, an exception, because the party in charge has refused to give us anything around which to rally. If Trump loses, the story might end up being a simple one. A big problem came. The GOP decided to not solve it. So they lost. If they had instead worked to solve the problem, they would have won. |
10-26-2020, 11:38 AM | #30182 |
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I'm not going to give aid to you people if your governor asks for it because I don't like him, but vote me anyway. Seems like an odd strategy.
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10-26-2020, 11:41 AM | #30183 |
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dola: that said, I can see why the GOP didn't want to solve the problem. Containing COVID required an acknowledgement that we are all in this together--a focus on shared sacrifice that kind of runs counter to their entire worldview. It's deeper than simply "they didn't want government spending." They didn't, of course.
But it was more what the spending represented. That government can work. That we can help each other. That you should listen to experts. That you can trust and depend on your neighbor. That we ALL need to sacrifice--not just people different that you. Last edited by albionmoonlight : 10-26-2020 at 11:41 AM. |
10-26-2020, 11:44 AM | #30184 | |
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Oh, but many of them DO believe that Biden will allow transitioned biological males to play women's sports. There's some Bill or Act that supposedly he has endorsed that allegedly forces all states to let everyone play high school sports as their gender of choice. I've seen it referenced at least half a dozen times in the last couple of weeks, and (tangent, not really related to my point, but I'm on a roll) there are at least two Gen X family members (I'd get it if they were boomers, but really? Gen X???? DO BETTER!) on my wife's side with advanced degrees who are actively trying to avoid the typical huge extended-family Christmas gathering--not because, you know, it might be a terrible idea for 30+ people who live in at least 8 different metro areas in 4 different states to be in the same house for 6 or more hours--BUT BECAUSE THERE IS ONE 17-YEAR-OLD ATTENDING WHO IS UNSURE ABOUT HIS/HER GENDER AND SEXUAL IDENTITY. Unsure. Not "I'm in the process of transitioning." Not "I'm gay." But simply "I want to be called by my androgynous middle name instead of my clearly-feminine first name, and I now dress in a conservative but gender-neutral manner." These folks are terrified that this person is going to have some adverse impact on their son, so they're trying to come up with an excuse not to attend. However, despite the fact that the two folks wanting to sit it out are both medical professionals, "uhhhhh....maybe we shouldn't go because of the virus" isn't an option because, you know, the virus is a liberal thing and they can't let anyone think they might possibly be liberal.
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10-26-2020, 12:07 PM | #30185 |
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they banked on it resolving itself. that was a trump gamble, and a combined effort of not wanting 'government interference' and also that so many positions had been cut, cast off, that the fundamental operation of it was weak from the start.
They absolutely could have started early, taken it by the horns, and in retrospect I think they might, but they played the wrong hand and it's killing them.
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10-26-2020, 12:27 PM | #30186 |
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That, and Trump in particular believes admitting to being wrong or reversing course is a sign of weakness, and he's a man's man, incapable of being wrong.
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10-26-2020, 12:28 PM | #30187 |
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I honestly think if Trump took that approach he would have lost worse than he's going to. He might have won some independents, but Democrats obviously weren't going to vote for him anyway and turnout from his base would have been a lot lower. I think albionmoonlight is right that it's about what the spending would have represented, but shared sacrifice isn't the issue so much as living in fear, perceived loss of freedom, unnecessarily tanking the economy, etc. The number of people who didn't even vote for Trump, nevermind those who did, and think this way is substantial.
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10-26-2020, 12:29 PM | #30188 |
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My kid couldn't wait to cast his ballot against trump. My youngest one missed by a year, but he would have been right there too.
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10-26-2020, 12:34 PM | #30190 |
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One thing that is continually underestimated IMO is just how differently people think. There are people way smarter than you (you used generically here, applies to anyone) who believe things you 'know' to be nonsensical. Often those people are wrong on those subjects, but it's not for lack of intelligence. People just think differently, period. There are brilliant conspiracy theorists. It's just the way the human brain works.
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10-26-2020, 12:50 PM | #30192 |
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Which is so weird.
I live in fear--because we are surrounded by a virus that we could have controlled. I have lost freedom--because I can't go places that I would like because we are surrounded by a virus that we could have controlled. Our economy is unnecessarily tanked--because Congress and the President gave us one inadequate round of stimulus. |
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I still remember this article from May 2017 - not even 6 months into the Trump administration: "Trump’s real undoing may be the creeping fatigue" Trump’s real undoing may be the creeping fatigue It basically talked about how Nixon’s undoing was that people just got tired of being stressed about everything: Quote:
Instead of every morning paper, it’s that dread of not wanting to check out my phone every Friday afternoon to see what really bad thing he saved to try and dump at the end of the week. I think the bulk of people don't want to be constantly reminded what divides them - we'd rather remember what keeps us together. SI
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I think the second post helps explains why incumbents have won in other regions. This notion of shared sacrifice and how their leaders have brought the country together to help deal with this deadly virus has elevated a lot of leaders... our President decided to split the country apart and not use the notion of shared sacrifice.
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10-26-2020, 01:15 PM | #30195 |
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My personal view on this is that the right (mainly Fox News/Rush and that wing of the media) has done an incredible job of instilling fear into as much of the right voter base as possible going back to the early 2000s and George W Bush. "taking our guns" is an imminent threat every election, every democrat will be coming for your guns. All policies of the left are socialism no matter how moderate, etc etc. My point is... how much ADDITIONAL fearmongering is available on top of what is done on a day to day basis, and will it really increase turnout in a significant way? Obviously the protests and the Black Lives Matter movement this year adds a new element, but I guess my instinct has always been that the fear well is tapped pretty close to dry already. How wrong am I? |
10-26-2020, 01:16 PM | #30196 |
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I read something a while ago about how Trump was obsessed with the book, The Power of Positive Thinking. That approach, thinking positively and changing the nature of a problem, is what Trump tried with the virus. All of the, it's going to disappear, stuff is just positive thinking in action.
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10-26-2020, 01:20 PM | #30197 |
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I think the problem with the Hunter thing is they haven't really been able to tie it to anything. Like it's not even clear what the scandal was supposed to be, or how it's supposed to involve Biden. It's e-mails, laptop, China, ooooooh it's so scary! They just haven't done a good job simplifying the scandal for people. The Hillary thing was easier to explain to the average voter.
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10-26-2020, 01:21 PM | #30198 | |
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When I see the "socialism" tactics and he is going to "take our guns" charges leveled at JOE BIDEN, then I know the fear tactics can't possibly be ramped up any further.
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Ahh, but does "highly educated" always mean "intelligent." (I generally think that yes, they correlate, but sometimes I wonder just how many of the "highly educated" are so because of money and familial status. Or, to use a popular term, because of "privilege." As an ironworker's son who attended a fancy college with rich kids who eh, maybe they weren't all that smart. Of course I have to remind myself of this when I get all diploma-snobby.)
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