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#251 |
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NC
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I agree with the first two moves but what about bishop to F4?
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#252 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands
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#253 |
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#254 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Dayton, OH
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Move my knight from E8 to C7.
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#255 |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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I'm planning on holding off on the bishop move to see what comes of the other two moves. Just on the off chance that we learn something from them that helps me with mine.
I haven't charted stuff out in the last couple of days, so if I'm just being silly here - there are no further possible dependencies, for example - then just tell me and I'll put in a move. |
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#256 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Hog Country
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Congratulations, team! You have located your third treasure. The blue ones are worth $5,000 each. ![]() $5,000 is added to the group pot. Last edited by MJ4H : 08-14-2009 at 10:40 AM. |
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#257 |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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5 chests worth $5,000 each
4 chests worth $10,000 each 3 chests worth $15,000 each 2 chests worth $20,000 each 1 chest worth $25,000. So two 10K and one 5K ... probably about what we could expect given that 60% of the chests are in these price ranges. So, semi-related question. What is the mole's goal here? Does he want our group to fail to collect money? Does he not care one way or the other about our success here? I'm not all that familiar with the agenda of that role as the game progresses. |
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#258 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Hog Country
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The role of the mole is to try to prevent the team from winning money without being discovered.
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#259 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands
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I tried new calculations. Here are the top three options still reachable for the last two pieces (I calculating the odds for each cell per piece pre and post move that gave us information, doing the 1 - not * not * not result in some cells having 70's odds, which seemed... odd
![]() D4 = 40% (= (1/2 + 7/23)/2) D6 = 33% (= (1/2 + 1/5 + 7/23)/3) E6 = 32% (= (1/3 + 7/23)/2) all others came up 30% or lower
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#260 | |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Appleton, WI
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I had a long post disputing your math, but now I see that my math is wrong too. As a math problem, this one is bugging me. |
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#261 |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands
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Yeah, I'm still not sure what the right math is. In a way I think we managed to get past the wrongdoing by adding logic to it. As someone put, it feels like extreme minesweeper.
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#263 |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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Bump - just looking to see if others are putting in moves before I act with the remaining bishop.
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#264 |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Appleton, WI
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I'm hoping we've got guys around to make the final few moves. Everything is pretty well mapped out, but we just need people to make them.
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#265 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands
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yeah, only 2 moves left to be made:
samifan24's queen and hoopsguy's bishop
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#266 |
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NC
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I'm open to suggestions.
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#268 |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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The queen move can potentially give me a data point for my last move. Similarly, I can do the same for him but I think that the queen is the one with the highest probability move right now, correct?
Also, is it D4 or D6 that we want the queen to occupy? |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Appleton, WI
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Either of the two is fine. There is a treasure in one of the two spots, but we don't know which one. |
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#270 | |
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Location: NC
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D6 has a much higher percentage in the map on the previous page, should I just go there?
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#271 |
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#272 |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NC
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My queen to D6.
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#273 |
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Hog Country
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#274 |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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I've got E7 as a high priority spot based on the numbers I've run up to this point. Unless someone feels strongly about going somewhere else I want to go there.
Right now, E7 is in the crosshairs for three pieces with 3+ on it and it was formerly in line with the queen with 7. There may have been another piece that had access to this spot earlier, but that is what I recall from memory. |
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#275 | |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Appleton, WI
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E7 is in the crosshairs of only 2 pieces. Your bishop was blocked from E7 by the Queen, so its three treasure spots are on the two diagonals going up the board. There may be a treasure at E7, but you can't use the bishop to know. I personally would go to either F4 or D2, but I'm fine with you taking any shot you want since we've already done better than I thought we would. |
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#276 |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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I'm not sure I understand - why would I not be able to use the bishop to go to E7? The path looks clear in the board above.
If you are saying that the number yields only the spaces that are available for a move at the time the piece is placed - and therefore that the diagonal down was not calculated in the "3" value that was assigned - then can you cite the rule that states this? Or can MJ4H clarify on this point? Even if this is the case, the piece still intersects the Queen (7), one of the two available remaining spots for the horse in C7 (six of the eight have been ruled out on my board), and the rook (3). I still consider this to be a very high value spot. |
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#277 |
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Hog Country
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The number quoted is given at the time the piece is placed and is only valid for that time. Things can change afterwards to make what that piece can reach/see different (ie other pieces moving, treasures being found, etc.), but that number won't change. You will have to infer those things on your own. (I hope I got what you were asking)
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Go for it. Even without the bishop count, this spot still looks decent. If you are feeling it...go for it. |
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#279 |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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Lets finish this one off. I'll move the bishop to E7.
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#280 |
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Hog Country
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![]() $20,000 is added to the group pot! That concludes our mission! Fairly successful after a pretty lackluster start. The group added $50,000 to the pot. After adding $20,000 in the first mission, the group pot now stands at $70,000. The mole must be disappointed with that showing. Or maybe he is waiting until more money is on the line to risk his overt sabotaging? Either way, with 2 missions out of the way, we will be losing our first player soon. Enjoy this evening, tomorrow, the first quiz will be given out. With it, our first execution is just around the corner. Rest well, gentlemen. By the way, here was the map to all the treasures: ![]() Last edited by MJ4H : 08-16-2009 at 10:30 PM. |
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#281 |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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Nice!
MJ4H - will you show us where the other chests were on the board? Or does that remain secret? |
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#282 |
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Hog Country
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Yeah I did in the previous post. Edited after I posted.
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#283 |
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Location: Appleton, WI
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I can't believe we didn't hit a treasure with our initial placements. Our host must have been laughing as almost every piece was adjacent to a treasure.
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#284 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Hog Country
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Alright folks, the quiz is ready. Let me give you a quick run-down of the procedures for the quiz.
1) You request the quiz from me via PM when you have a few minutes to sit down and fill it out. 2) I send the quiz to you via PM. 3) You answer each question on the quiz with a single letter and send it back to me via PM. 4) Your quiz is graded by me. The person with the least number of correct answers is eliminated via execution. Ties are broken by speed. If two people are tied for least number correct, the slowest time from the time I sent the quiz to you to the time I received your answers will be the one executed. I will be available to send the quiz this evening. I will post in the thread at that time. Do not request it until then as I have a very busy day today and won't have time until then. |
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#285 |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands
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2 more treasures, ey? well done, team!
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#286 | |
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Hog Country
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I was in a hurry when I wrote the above so let me clarify something quickly. In order to be as fair as possible, you must request the quiz from me before you can take it. This is to prevent people that just happen to be online with free time when I post the quiz from having a significant time advantage over those that are not around. One other option would be to schedule a time when everyone could be here, but I think this works better. For now this is what we will do, but if people have suggestions about another way that would be fair and easier, I'm of course open to that. For now, though, request the quiz, but not until about 4:30pm central time today. I will be pretty busy until then. |
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#287 | |
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NC
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Wait, I'm confused. So we can't request it until 4:30 central time even though we still have to wait to take it?
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#288 |
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Hog Country
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What you do is request it sometime this evening when you have some free time for it. I will immediately send it when I get your request (that's why I have to be around). Then you will take it and send it back. You requesting it is so that you get to take it and your timer starts to run at a time when you are at your computer with time to take it. Starting at about 4:30 this evening, I will post here saying I'm available for you to request the quiz. Whenever you are here after that time, request it and take it.
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#289 |
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Hog Country
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I am now here for the next 2 hours or so. If you have time to take the quiz, 10 questions, shoot me a PM and I will send it to you. Don't forget as soon as I send it to you, the timer starts, and time counts in tie breakers.
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#290 |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
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Bummer, was hoping to do this now but I don't see you (MJ4H) online. I'll try again tomorrow evening.
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#291 |
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Hog Country
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I'm here for a few minutes before bed. Just finished my workout. Say, until 10:45 my time.
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#292 |
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Hog Country
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OK I sent the quiz to at least one person. Just do it and send it to me when you are finished. I am going to bed. The timestamp on the message is all I need along with your answers. I'll post when I'm available to send the quiz tomorrow.
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#293 |
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Hog Country
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I am home for the evening. Request quiz at your convenience!
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#294 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Hog Country
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Still waiting on one more quiz, then we will have the execution.
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#295 |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands
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oh goody, can't wait for the execution!
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#296 |
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I hope its MJ4H! hes very confident!
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#297 |
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I also think lathum is a wolf!
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#298 |
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Hog Country
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I believe I have all I need. Unfortunately busy night today and tomorrow. Will try to get execution prepared ASAP, though.
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#299 |
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Wentzville, MO
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it's okay...go ahead and let hoopsguy know he's been executed.
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