2008-09 College Bowls/Postseason thread

[Buccaneer]

My son and I are doing the happy dance.

[st.cronin]

This USC dynasty has reached silly proportions.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

This USC dynasty has reached silly proportions.

Very close to Florida State's run of the 90s...

[Vegas Vic]

In spite of my ACC bashing, I actually put some money on VT tonight.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

All the major conferences are basically equal, imo. The arguments are really inane and pointless.

I agree with that too. It's just having Washington State and Washington does cloud the perception.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

My son and I are doing the happy dance.

Me too. Great game and a great week of football so far.

[bhlloy]

Fun game. There was even time left in the last 5 minutes to remind me why I won't miss Sarkisian when he goes to UDub

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

In spite of my ACC bashing, I actually put some money on VT tonight.

I think you are gonna lose that money, UC is way better then people give them credit for and Kelly is a great gameplanner.

They have an underrated defense and I think VT will have trouble moving the ball.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think you are gonna lose that money, UC is way better then people give them credit for and Kelly is a great gameplanner.

They have an underrated defense and I think VT will have trouble moving the ball.

I'm well aware of how good Cincinnati is. I've watched six of their games this year.

They did make it look easy on that opening drive.

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

I'm well aware of how good Cincinnati is. I've watched six of their games this year.

They did make it look easy on that opening drive.

Yep, too bad for Cincy that's all they'll get all night. For once, the Hokies are using some past big-game experience to their advantage and taking advantace of Cincinnati's over-pursuit on defense. Watch out for a huge second half by the VT running game.

HOKIE HOKIE HOKIE HI

[Toddzilla]

Dola...

...The Doobie Brothers? Oh, for fuck's sake....

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

...The Doobie Brothers? Oh, for fuck's sake....

It is absolutly amazing the effect Janet Jacksons tittie has had on halftime performances.

[Lathum]

dola- I hope Rerun didn't drop his tape recorder

[JW]

What USC dynasty? They have one BCS crystal football. After Jan. 8 there will be two teams that have two crystal footballs, LSU and either Oklahoma or Florida.

Of course they can go the AP route again. After all, AP is already touting them as AP national champions.

Sanchez, USC beat Penn State 38-24 in Rose Bowl

By JOHN NADEL, AP Sports Writer – 28 mins ago

PASADENA, Calif. – Southern California made a strong case of its own to be No. 1.

Originally Posted by st.cronin

This USC dynasty has reached silly proportions.

[Logan]

Very surprised to see Cincy tackling so poorly.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by JW

What USC dynasty? They have one BCS crystal football. After Jan. 8 there will be two teams that have two crystal footballs, LSU and either Oklahoma or Florida.

BCS or bust, huh?

[Swaggs]

Here is a pretty fun game that I came across a little bit ago:

Can you name the College Football (I-A) teams with the most all time wins? - sporcle

No spoilers afterwards (for at least a little while), please.

[st.cronin]

Who is the last Big 10 team to win the Rose Bowl?

Spoiler

Wisconsin, over Stanford, in 2000.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Here is a pretty fun game that I came across a little bit ago:

Can you name the College Football (I-A) teams with the most all time wins? - sporcle

No spoilers afterwards (for at least a little while), please.

I got 21/25, missed the last one in the first column and the last three. Was surprised to see a few programs not on there.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

This is not to say the Big Ten is all that good, but they did end up with some tough matchups because of the way the BCS works. My guess is if Oregon State wins the Civil War the Big Ten is looking at about a 4-3 bowl record.

IMO, this is what the Big 10 gets for doing their silly 8 conference, 4 patsy, miss-2-team-a-year-with-no-champ-game setup. Every mid-level Big 10 team starts out 4-0 after beating up on their Midwestern directional schools and then they only need to go 2-6 in conference to be bowl eligible. Look at Minnesota and Wisconsin. MN starts out 4-0 against Northern Illinois, Bowling Green, Montana St and FL Atl. They don't even play Penn State or Michigan State, go 3-5 in conference (wins over Indiana, Illinois and Purdue) and that gets them a bowl game with Kansas (which they lose by 20).

Wisconsin beats Akron, Marshall and an OT thriller with Cal Poly - meaning they also just need a 3-5 conference record (which they get by beating Illinois, Indiana and (drumroll) Minnesota). That gets them an unearned bowl game against Florida State and they get trounced by 30.

As long as it only takes a 2-6 or 3-5 record in a marginal big 10 conference to make a decent bowl game, the Big 10 will continue to stink in these games. They either need to start playing nonconference teams with a pulse (like the Big 12, Pac 10 or big east) or join the Pac-10 in playing 9 conference games (take out a game against Akron and sub in Ohio State or Penn State).

The Pac-10 is 5-0 because marginal teams like Stanford and Arizona State (at or better than MN or Wisconsin) didn't make a bowl game because they played nonconference teams with a pulse (TCU, Georgia, ...) and had 9 conference games.

[Bearcat729]

Pike is starting to make me mad now.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Here is a pretty fun game that I came across a little bit ago:

Can you name the College Football (I-A) teams with the most all time wins? - sporcle

No spoilers afterwards (for at least a little while), please.

Got 18/25 although I was misspelling three teams. So 21/25 ain't bad.

[Swaggs]

I got 22/25 the first time.

I missed 651 (which will likely be to one FOFCer's dismay ), 649, and 637. I was surprised by how underrepresented a couple of the major conferences were.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Bearcat729

Pike is starting to make me mad now.

Cincy pretty much needs a perfect game from him, from here on out, or some very big special teams plays. If they don't get a score on this drive, I think VPI opens this one up.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Logan

I got 21/25, missed the last one in the first column and the last three. Was surprised to see a few programs not on there.

Also got 21/25, I missed 674/663/650/649.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Radii

Also got 21/25, I missed 674/663/650/649.

Final Four tonight?

[Swaggs]

Huge play for Cincy there.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Radii

Also got 21/25, I missed 674/663/650/649.

For shame!

We've only been really bad for the last 5 years...

[Radii]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

We've only been really bad for the last 5 years...

east coast bias. I was just trying to run through the teams in the big 6 conferences and drew a couple blanks

[henry296]

23/25 missed 649 and 637

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Final Four tonight?

tomorrow!

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Here is a pretty fun game that I came across a little bit ago:

Can you name the College Football (I-A) teams with the most all time wins? - sporcle

No spoilers afterwards (for at least a little while), please.

Got 24/25..I think you can probably guess which one I missed.

EDIT: It was 649

[MylesKnight]

I finished with 24/25 but was cheated with the 25th (649). Honest. God $#@$@% vocabulary.

[st.cronin]

I missed 659. 24/25

[MylesKnight]

A couple of interesting games on the menu tomorrow, that being the Cotton (Texas Tech v. Ole Miss) and Sugar (Alabama v. Utah) Bowl Games.

Go Utes!! Still looking for victory numero dos for a Non-Cartel Member (remember #1 - Boise State).

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by MylesKnight

A couple of interesting games on the menu tomorrow, that being the Cotton (Texas Tech v. Ole Miss) and Sugar (Alabama v. Utah) Bowl Games.

Go Utes!! Still looking for victory numero dos for a Non-Cartel Member (remember #1 - Boise State).

Um, Utah has already won a BCS game.

[Izulde]

20/25.

Missed 663, 653, 649, 639 and 637.

Though I should've had 637, because I kept defaulting to Ivy League schools.

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by JW

What USC dynasty? They have one BCS crystal football. After Jan. 8 there will be two teams that have two crystal footballs, LSU and either Oklahoma or Florida.

Of course they can go the AP route again. After all, AP is already touting them as AP national champions.

Sanchez, USC beat Penn State 38-24 in Rose Bowl

By JOHN NADEL, AP Sports Writer – 28 mins ago

PASADENA, Calif. – Southern California made a strong case of its own to be No. 1.

Well, they're in BCS bowls EVERY year. They don't wind up in the Peach Bowl or the Backwater bowl every third year.

[MylesKnight]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Um, Utah has already won a BCS game.

Yes, I did seem to absolutely torpedo that one, thanks for the correction St. C.

[JW]

Yeah, but how many crystal footballs do they have? And are you really saying that getting to the Rose Bowl every year and beating a slow Big Ten team is some kind of mind boggling accomplishment?

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Well, they're in BCS bowls EVERY year. They don't wind up in the Peach Bowl or the Backwater bowl every third year.

[JW]

Well, with USC, it is AP mythical champion or bust apparently.

Originally Posted by st.cronin

BCS or bust, huh?

[Noop]

The AP poll has been around a lot longer then the BCS and in my book it's more prestigious then the BCS.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Noop

The AP poll has been around a lot longer then the BCS and in my book it's more prestigious then the BCS.

Yep, or any of the newer, contrived polls like USA Today or Harris.

[JW]

So let's see, we've got ESPN and ABC pimping for USC, and people now saying the AP is now the gold standard, not the BCS. FAF. Yet for all that, USC still.....

[Noop]

Your a blind homer JW because you are a Tiger fan who fails to acknowledge that USC got screwed out of the championship while they were #1 in the country. The AP saw the farce that was the BCS and removed themselves from being associated with it.

Just because ESPN pimps the BCS (ESPN sponsers the coaches poll or use too) doesn't mean its the only legitment governing body. Things like the Harris poll have no weight and was created to make the system work.

Absent of a playoff the AP in regards to Polls has been around for along time and have tradition, prestige, and value. A trophy is just an object that represents something an AP Trophy means the same as the BCS trophy. Except one has been around for a lot longer.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by JW

So let's see, we've got ESPN and ABC pimping for USC, and people now saying the AP is now the gold standard, not the BCS. FAF. Yet for all that, USC still.....

...do you honestly feel like the SEC does NOT get enough respect from the media?

[JW]

I didn't say that, did I. I just object to the fellation of USC by ESPN, ABC, Brent Musburger in particular, and AP sportswriters. USC should get in a stronger conference. They should be in a conference that has a conference playoff game. The conference playoff game has become a defacto elimination tournament for the national championship game. If USC wants to be satisfied going to the Rose Bowl every year and playing slow Big Ten teams, so be it. But the media that supports the Rose Bowl should not pretend it is more than it is and that USC is more than it is.

Now the whining today on ESPN is that there should be a plus one, just for USC's benefit of course. But if we had a plus one, I would think Texas would deserve to be in the game more than USC.

And once again, let me add that I think USC has shown itself to be the best overall program on average over this decade. I understand how good USC is. But that does not mean they are deserving of a national championship, even an AP pseudo-national championship, this season just because they are USC.

The crystal footballs don't lie.

Originally Posted by Swaggs

...do you honestly feel like the SEC does NOT get enough respect from the media?

[Logan]

Originally Posted by JW

USC should get in a stronger conference. They should be in a conference that has a conference playoff game. The conference playoff game has become a defacto elimination tournament for the national championship game.

Which exists 100% for the conference to make more money by selling the championship game. It's their own damn fault if it ends up eliminating an otherwise worthy team from the national championship game. Eliminate the game and take less money if that's how you want it to be.

[MJ4H]

The rambling about how USC suddenly deserves a shot to play the ou-fla winner was just stupid. There is no way they deserve it for winning that game while simultaneously ignoring teams like alabama, texas, texas tech, etc. who would be in the same boat after winning a bowl game. Just silliness.

[Noop]

You know what JW I was a little to harsh for that I want to apologize for, however I will say I disagree with your argument. It seems to me your letting your emotions cloud your perception of what is going on.